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“If we must have more trams, let them take space from cars”: Cyclists “horrified” at plans to replace bike path with new tram line; Paris votes to triple SUV parking fees; Štybar “shed tears” during final home worlds; Bikeayo Saka + more on the live blog

Just like the crushing inevitability of another Mathieu van der Poel cyclocross victory, it’s Monday – but don’t worry, as Ryan Mallon is here to ease you into the week with all the latest cycling news on the live blog


05 February 2024, 09:08
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“If we must have more trams, let them take space from cars”: Cyclists “horrified” at plans to replace bike path with new tram line – as council says proposals will be put to public “objectively”

Cyclists in Edinburgh have again criticised plans to remove a 2km-long section of a popular active travel path in favour of a new “transformational” tram line – arguing that “less car use is the goal”, not the destruction of green, cycling space – after councillors voted to put two potential options for the tram route to consultation, while stressing that the proposals will be presented to the public “objectively”.

Last week, we reported that councillors were considering a recommended £2bn north-south tram line through Edinburgh city centre from Granton to the BioQuarter, which would extend the existing network between Newhaven and Edinburgh Airport and finally incorporate a line first planned around two decades ago during the city’s initial tram project.

Since then, the Roseburn cycle path has established itself as a popular active travel corridor in the city, with the council last year beginning work on a £12.5 million scheme to improve connections for cyclists between the path and the Union Canal.

However, the recommended proposal for the new tram route involves removing two kilometres from the cycle path and incorporating it into the tram network (a walking route will still co-exist alongside the tram line, but cyclists will be “discouraged” from using it), a design that has sparked a backlash from cycling and active travel campaigners in the city and prompted the Liberal Democrats to launch a ‘Save the Telford/Roseburn path’ petition.

A second, alternative route, known as the Orchard Brae Corridor, has also been touted, though councillors have noted that this second option’s drawbacks also include the possible removal of existing cycling infrastructure and limited opportunity to build new protected bike lanes.

Roseburn Path, Edinburgh (North Edinburgh Community News)

> “Travesty” if tram extension plan leads to loss of “much-loved” cycle path, says councillor

On Thursday, while approving the start of a 12-week public consultation on the proposals, the City of Edinburgh Council noted that while the Roseburn route is the “preferred” design for the new tram line, the consultation “should present objectively the pros and cons of both routes”.

Daisy Narayanan, head of placemaking and mobility for the council, told the meeting that the Roseburn and Orchard Brae routes were “not equal options in any shape or form” and that the decision to recommend Roseburn as the ‘preferred’ option came after extensive discussions between officials.

She added that Roseburn Path would “no longer” be “a key cycle route”, and said that while bikes would not be “banned” once the new line was completed, the path would “not provide the same level of cycling experience as it does now”, due to an abundance of “pinch points”.

Nigel Bagshaw, a former Edinburgh Green Party councillor who now represents sustainable transport charity Transform Scotland, also agreed that the Roseburn option “provides greater flexibility as it will facilitate interchange with the public transport network at Haymarket”.

However, he also conceded that the partial loss of the Roseburn corridor as an active travel route “is a concern”.

“As an organisation we would strongly support the plans to review whether there is any prospect for retaining walking and cycling provision along the Roseburn Corridor,” he said.

> Zig-zag corners on “moronic” Edinburgh cycleway to be replaced to improve cycle safety

Meanwhile, Lib Dem councillor Hal Osler told the meeting that she had received a “wave” of emails from residents who were “horrified” at the possibility of losing a “precious linear park green corridor”, especially considering the presence of an alternative option.

And Jakob Assarsson, speaking behalf of Friends of Dalry Cemetery, called into question the council’s commitment to reducing car use in Edinburgh, pointing out that the tram line proposals only seemed to impact cycling and green space, and were based purely on financial concerns.

Trams, he said, “should not come at the expense of an existing world-class nature corridor – with bats, hedgehogs, owls, and badgers, all protected species, throughout – and an extremely popular active travel route.

“If we must have more trams, let them take space from cars. Less car use is the goal.

“Clearly the Roseburn option is preferred because it is anticipated to be less expensive. But only in monetary terms. Not in terms of the quality of the city, the physical and mental health of its inhabitants, and the wellbeing of its nature.”

With the construction process expected to take 11 years, I suspect this debate could rumble on for a while yet…

05 February 2024, 11:54
Paris cyclists (copyright Simon MacMichael)
“Do you really need a SUV? I carry my son on a bike, we found solutions”: Parisians vote to triple parking fees for SUVs, with charges for “bulky, polluting” cars set to rise to £15 an hour in central Paris

Paris’ cycling and active travel revolution shows no signs of slowing down, as voters in the French capital agreed to a threefold increase in parking charges for “bulky, polluting” SUVs.

In yesterday’s referendum, 54.5 per cent of voters approved the proposals, which are designed to target motorists who drive into central Paris from the suburbs and will see parking charges for vehicles of 1.6 tonnes or more, and electric vehicles heavier than two tonnes, triple to €18 (around £15.40) an hour.

Exemptions will be made, however, for taxi drivers, health workers, and people with disabilities.

> "Increasingly at risk of fatal injuries": Danger to cyclists posed by larger, heavier cars laid bare by new research

“We’re proud of having posed an eminently environmental question at a time the environment is presented as the source of all evil,” Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo, who has overseen the creation of 84km of cycle lanes in Paris and a 71 per cent rise in cycling since the end of the Covid-19 lockdowns, said after the results were confirmed.

“It’s a form of resistance here in Paris to this very concerning movement.”

Meanwhile, 27-year-old voter Juliette Bruley told Reuters: "Do you really need a SUV in Paris? I carry my son on a bike, we found solutions.”

And speaking to Forbes, Leo Murray, co-director of climate charity Possible, described the “landmark referendum” as the “latest triumph in Paris’ ongoing mission to tackle its problems with air pollution, congestion and motor traffic dominance, and is likely to inspire cities around the world to follow suit.”

He continued: “It is fantastic to see the people of Paris voting to increase parking charges for large and oversized cars. It is a great first step in reversing the recent trend towards autobesity and reducing our overall reliance on cars in cities.”

> Paris to become '100 per cent cycling city' within next four years

However, others aren’t as impressed by the new, increased charges.

“It’s going to be about 200 euros a day. That’s extremely expensive. Life is expensive, children are expensive,” 37-year-old voter Laure Picard said.

“The goal is that we stop using our car, but we need our car to leave Paris during holidays and weekends.”

“We must firmly oppose these attacks on freedom pursued under false green pretexts,” the pro-motoring lobby group ‘40 millions d’automobilistes’ said after the result was announced.

“If we don’t stop it now, this unjustified rebellion led by an ultra-urban and anti-car minority will spread like gangrene to other cities.”

05 February 2024, 17:09
Roseburn Path, Edinburgh (North Edinburgh Community News)
The Auld Active Travel Alliance? Not quite…
Live Blog comment of the day 5 February 2024

Thanks to reader Oldfatgit for neatly summing up the apparent growing chasm between those two great cities when it comes to active travel policy in the 2020s.

While Paris’ SUV ban has received widespread praise from cyclists on social media – including some knowingly futile calls for the UK to follow suit – other readers were similarly baffled by local decision making in Auld Reekie.

“Wow! Just when I thought we'd hit peak absurdity, Edinburgh council proves me wrong,” wrote eburtthebike.

“We’re going to reduce car trips by taking away cycling infrastructure, not we’re going to reduce car trips by taking away driving infrastructure.

“They should go away, make a cup of tea, sit down and read their own policies and then implement them.”

05 February 2024, 16:58
Things you only see at Ecuador’s national championships

Another one to add to the weird and wonderful list of cycling podium prizes…

05 February 2024, 16:32
Franck Bonnamour, Critérium du Dauphiné 2023 (A.S.O./Billy Ceusters)
Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale rider Franck Bonnamour provisionally suspended by UCI over “unexplained abnormalities” in biological passport

It doesn’t happen too often these days, but the biological passport alarm pinged this afternoon in the UCI offices, leading to the provisional suspension of Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale rider Franck Bonnamour, the first WorldTour rider to be snagged by the anti-doping measure for over a decade.

According to a statement released by cycling’s governing body this afternoon, 28-year-old Bonnamour – who won the most combative award at the 2021 Tour de France while riding for B&B Hotels, following a series of attacking displays – has been “has been provisionally suspended in accordance with the UCI Anti-Doping Rules due to unexplained abnormalities in his Biological Passport”.

The UCI said it will comment further while proceedings are ongoing.

The French rider, who joined AG2R last season and whose sole professional victory came at La Polynormande in 2022 (though he did just miss out on a big win at Paris-Tours the previous autumn), has already raced this season at the Tour Down Under, finishing 13th on stage two to Lobethal, but is now due an extended period sitting at home as the UCI gets to the bottom of what’s caused those unexplained spikes in his blood profile.

05 February 2024, 15:57
Zoe Bäckstedt, 2024 U23 UCI World Cyclocross Championships (Alex Whitehead/
Plans afoot for more condensed UCI Cyclocross World Cup, as world champion Mathieu van der Poel raises doubts over future commitment to ‘cross calendar

The long, complex debate over the length and structure of the cyclocross season has arguably proved more intriguing than most of the racing this winter, dividing riders, prompting bizarre public outbursts from UCI presidents and disgraced former team bosses, and highlighting the inherent difficulties in growing a sport seemingly reliant on its multidiscipline stars.

But, with summer roadies like Mathieu van der Poel and Zoe Bäckstedt adding to their increasingly bulging collection of rainbow jerseys at the weekend, changes appear to be on their way in the world of cyclocross – thanks to the planned introduction of a condensed UCI World Cup calendar, designed to entice the MVDPs and WVAs of the world, who may otherwise not want to spend four cold, wintery months in a muddy field as they prepare for the Tour of Flanders.

According to reports in the Belgian media, Flanders Classics (the rights holder of the World Cup until 2018) is currently negotiating with the UCI over a new schedule that will mean the cyclocross’ premier competition – which runs from October to the end of January over 14 rounds – will take place entirely in December and January, and over 10 or 12 rounds.

> Podcast: Lucinda Brand and Eli Iserbyt on the future of cyclocross

The new calendar, which is set to be announced in the spring, will also ensure that World Cups do not fall on the same weekend as other major, traditionally important races (which potentially draw riders away from ‘foreign’ – in other words, non-Belgian or Dutch – World Cups), while aiming to expand cross’s global reach by including more far-flung races, such as the long-touted London event and, apparently, in other UK cities.

“The negotiations take a long time and that is normal. This is about the future of cyclocross,” Flanders Classics CEO Tomas van den Spiegel told HLN.

“The cyclist of the future is multidisciplinary. I’m not just talking about Van der Poel, Van Aert, and Pidcock. But also about Van Empel, Van Anrooij, Pieterse, Backstedt, and Thibau Nys. That is the next generation that emulates Mathieu, Wout and Tom.

“If you want to make cyclocross sustainable, we can no longer ask the riders to adapt to the calendar. Then it seems logical to me that the World Cup adapts to the rider of the future. We have to find a format that allows this type of riders to win the World Cup.

“Then we have to ensure that the World Cup is held in December and January, without wanting to touch the Christmas period. There are a number of historic races there, we should not want to thwart them. In the future it will still be possible to race cyclocross from September to the end of February. But in the big races it must be ensured that the best riders are at the start. This is also the case in other sports and for me that is the future of cyclocross.”

Mathieu van der Poel, 2024 men’s UCI World Cyclocross Championships (Alex Whitehead/

(Alex Whitehead/

Meanwhile, the subject of the ‘cross calendar also came up in Mathieu van der Poel’s post-race interviews with the Dutch press, after the all-round superstar secured his sixth world cyclocross championships, moving him just one rainbow jersey shy of the all-time men’s record set by Erik De Vlaeminck.

And while Van der Poel remains intent on cementing his status as the best ‘crosser of all time by surpassing De Vlaeminck, the abuse he’s received by some fans during his startlingly dominant winter has forced him to weigh up his future in the discipline in which he made his name, at least when it comes to competing for any extended period of time during the road off-season.

“I think that is the only motivation to start racing again in the winter,” Van der Poel told WielerFlits of his desire to reach that seventh ‘cross world title.

“The rest of the season, as I've said before, isn't important. There is only one race that counts and that is the World Championship.

“Showing that I am the best is not something I am concerned with. I'm just working on that record. Everyone still talks about that De Vlaeminck record. That's something people just don't forget. Even many years after his career, people talk about it. So those are the things that matter and keep me busy.”

He continued: “Sometimes I wonder if it's worth it to have beer poured over you every race. “Although that shouldn't influence the decision too much. On the other hand, I can't just let it pass.

“I still enjoy cyclo-cross, it's something I really like to do. But it's not just the ‘cross. It's everything that comes with it. It takes a lot of energy.

“A day like that on the cross simply demands a lot from you. The racing is perhaps the easiest part of the day. My focus is also more and more on the road, that is where my big goals lie.”

05 February 2024, 15:09
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Bespoked handmade bike show back in the UK for 2024

In great news for bike nerds, like myself, up and down the country, Bespoked, the UK and Europe’s premier handmade bike show, is returning to British shores this summer after a year on the continent.

To the uninitiated, Bespoked tends to feature lots of superb craftsmanship, custom paint, lovely lugs, and Chris King headsets among the mostly independent makers, and a fine selection of one-off quirky bikes that you will certainly not find in Halfords.

It last took place in the UK in October 2022 at London’s Lee Valley Velopark, and will held for the first time this June at the iconic Victoria Baths in Manchester, so make sure to mark it in your diaries.

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“Victoria Baths is an ideal venue for the show, with its glass roof, neutral palette, and ornate interiors,” Bespoked’s Peter Georgallo said in a statement today.

“Manchester is ideally situated at the centre of the UK geographically, with fantastic transport links and proximity to the Lake District and Peak District, which make up some of the finest riding in the UK.”

Registration for the event, which will take place between 28 and 30 June, is now open on Bespoked’s website.

05 February 2024, 14:31
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Cycling: The new golf? Dan Martin predicts LIV Golf-style problems as Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund emerges as frontrunner to back new cycling ‘super league’

Retired pro Dan Martin believes a new cycling super league, potentially funded by Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, could face the same problems recently encountered in golf, where the new money of the Saudi-backed LIV project butted heads against the “tradition” of the PGA Tour, resulting in a long and often tense battle between the two organisations.

Over the weekend, Reuters reported that a sports investment company owned by the PIF – Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund and the money behind the recent takeover of Newcastle United as well as LIV Golf – has emerged as the frontrunner to back the new One Cycling project, a cycling ‘super league’ led by Visma-Lease a Bike boss Richard Plugge which intends to counter pro cycling’s traditional “flawed” and stagnant business model and create “new revenue streams” for the sport.

The latest plans to revolutionise cycling include more circuit-based races, the creation of a “better-defined” racing calendar based on Formula One, and the mass marketing of the sport’s ‘charismatic’ (ahem) personalities.

Jumbo-Visma Tour de France (Alex Whitehead/

 (Alex Whitehead/

And now Reuters says that, following a bidding process run on behalf of a select group of teams, SRJ Sports Investments (that’s pronounced ‘Surge’ apparently) has begun exclusive negotiations concerning a potential investment of around €250 million in the project.

However, talks are still ongoing, with Visma-Lease a Bike telling the agency that the investment is one of “many” ideas currently being explored with the aim of coming up “with a sustainable business model for cycling in the future”.

Meanwhile, only eight teams and none of the three grand tours are believed to be currently involved in the project, while other teams have reportedly expressed concern about the terms of a possible deal, including the risk of having to pay back funds if the league fails to generate enough revenue.

> Visma-Lease a Bike manager Richard Plugge reveals plans for F1-style race calendar as part of new ‘super league’ – and says pro cyclists should be more like Jake Paul (yes, really)

And another onlooker who isn’t entirely convinced by One Cycling and its aims is Dan Martin, the two-time monument winner and double Tour de France stage winner, who responded to the news of the PIF’s involvement in the league with some scepticism over the weekend.

“Struggling to understand how the teams will benefit from bringing big investors in to create a new League. Surely it’s the investors who will want to see the profits,” the retired Irish climber tweeted.

“A new cycling league will hit the same barriers as golf with LIV vs PGA. Money vs Tradition. Sure some will embrace it but cycling is rooted in history, riders dreaming of the monuments and Grand Tours, not a big paycheque.

“Also, realistically, although a lot of money, $250m does not buy a new sport. The Las Vegas F1 cost $500m for one race. They invested $2b in LIV golf and so far it’s struggling to take hold.”

Another one that could run and run… before eventually fizzling out and ending up in a decade’s time on one of those ‘Cycling Breakaway Leagues that failed miserably’ articles.

05 February 2024, 13:52
Something, something, cyclists, red lights, something…

“Look at this f***ing eejit,” says Cork-based driving instructor Darren, in something of an understatement, as a “maniac” motorist overtakes him at speed through a busy town, narrowly avoiding an oncoming cyclist in the process, before close passing another cyclist and ploughing on through a red light.

But, but, but cyclists…

05 February 2024, 13:17
Do no-fly policies only act to make cycling events even more exclusionary?

Some obligatory lunchtime reading for you here courtesy once again of VecchioJo, who’s waded into the recent trend of ultra-distance cycling event organisers implementing no-fly rules for participants, an environmental policy – and logistical headache – he suggests is putting “principles over practicality”…

Canyon Endurace with bikepacking luggage outside train station (Jack Sexty)

> The privilege of race: No-fly policies only act to make cycling events even more exclusionary

(We’re also planning to discuss potential no-fly policies and pro cycling’s environmental stance in detail on an upcoming episode of the podcast too, so watch out for that one over the next few weeks.)

05 February 2024, 12:54
Things you only see at the cyclocross (thankfully)

I really hope you didn’t need context for that particular homemade sign (because if you did, goodness knows where your mind wandered to in the process), but here it is anyway:

> Mathieu van der Poel spits at “booing” spectator on way to 7th straight win

05 February 2024, 12:34
Government falsely claimed it blocked low-traffic schemes, documents suggest

Documents obtained by a campaign group suggest that Transport Secretary Mark Harper and the government have not blocked councils from installing low-traffic neighbourhoods (LTNs), despite their claims.

The news comes after Transport Action Network (Tan), the campaign group currently taking legal action against the government over cuts to active travel budgets, got hold of documents which showed Active Travel England’s decision-making process regarding applications for funding from councils for low-traffic schemes.

And while in May of last year some newspapers and media figures were briefed that ministers had blocked money for LTNs, this claim that funding had been stripped or blocked is reportedly not seen in the papers, which instead revealed that the lack of funding approved for LTNs was in fact due to the schemes being deemed by Active Travel England to be not ambitious enough or of sufficient quality.

Cotham Hill LTN in Bristol (picture Adwitiya Pal)

Read more: > Government falsely claimed it blocked low-traffic schemes, documents suggest

05 February 2024, 11:42
Liverpool supporters, look away now

Fresh from opening the scoring against title rivals Liverpool yesterday afternoon, Arsenal and England ‘starboy’ (urgh) Bukayo Saka has staked his claim for a spot on the wing in our high-flying Footballers Who Cycle XI…

> Footballers who cycle XI — the Premier League stars who love life on two wheels

Saka, Salah, or Robben? Now that’s what they call in football a nice problem to have.

Oh, and don’t worry, it didn’t take long for a Gooner to pop up in the comments calling for their No. 7 to “get a helmet on kid”…

05 February 2024, 10:48
Zdeněk Štybar, 2024 cyclocross world championships (Alex Whitehead/
Farewell Styby: Three-time cyclocross world champion and multidisciplinary star Zdeněk Štybar bows out of the sport on home soil, after “shedding tears” on emotional final lap

The dominant, relentless stars of the weekend’s world cyclocross championships in Tábor – Zoe Bäckstedt, Fem van Empel, and the era-defining Mathieu van der Poel – may represent the present and future of the sport, both on-road and off-road.

But it was one multidisciplined representative of cycling’s past who arguably received the most love and adulation from the fans who flocked to the historic Czech town and its heavy course yesterday.

Three-time cyclocross champion Zdeněk Štybar bowed out of the sport at his favoured discipline’s flagship event with an emotional final lap in his home country, in front of an adoring home crowd, and on the very course he won his first ‘cross rainbow jersey back in 2010.

A last lap crash aside – which the 38-year-old said allowed him to soak up the atmosphere during his final few minutes as a pro cyclist – final races don’t come much better, and more fitting, than that.

Štybar, who added to his maiden 2010 world title with two more rainbow jerseys in 2011 and 2014, also – rather fittingly, considering who dominated yesterday’s men’s race in Tábor – paved the way for a whole generation of multidisciplined talents, such as Van der Poel, Wout van Aert, and Tom Pidcock, joining Quick-Step in 2011 and combining his generational talent on the ‘cross field with some sterling results on the road.

Those road successes include stage wins at the Tour de France and Vuelta, classic victories at Strade Bianche, E3, and Omloop Het Nieuwsblad, a GC win at the 2013 Eneco Tour, and two near misses at Paris-Roubaix in 2017 and 2015.

Zdeněk Štybar, 2024 cyclocross world championships (Alex Whitehead/

(Alex Whitehead/

“A lot of emotions. This was a very special week. Even after Christmas, let’s just say this was a farewell tour,” Štybar, who raced his last year on the road in 2023 for Jayco-AlUla, told HLN after yesterday’s race, which saw him finish 31st and later take to the podium to enjoy the adulation of the home crowd one last time.

“I crashed the last lap... On the one hand, I could enjoy it a little longer, but on the other hand, it was a shame because I just got my second wind and was able to continue.

“In fact, I was suddenly forced to really enjoy the spectators. That was incredible. I really shed tears on that last lap. Also, here on stage.

“I couldn’t have asked for a better farewell. Riders are always busy organising a farewell race... But here, all the Belgians and Czechs were present. I am very grateful for that.

“My career started and now ends here, with a huge number of people. I have a headache from all the shouting and from all the fans in the stands. That was incredible. A moment that I will never forget and for which I am grateful.”

Enjoy your retirement Styby, it’s well deserved.

05 February 2024, 10:20
Weekend round-up – Wait, Michael Owen’s the ambassador for what?

Ryan joined in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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jaymack | 3 months ago

"If we don’t stop it now, this unjustified rebellion led by an ultra-urban and anti-car minority will spread like gangrene to other cities.” Yes please.

Wheelywheelygood | 3 months ago
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One minute they want to take the bikes on the trams now they don't want trams omg make your minds up . Maybe if the tram doors were fitted with red lights they would be more attractive to ride straight on ,but the seats must be 1.5 mts apart to be safe 

chrisonabike replied to Wheelywheelygood | 3 months ago

Mind the crap (with apologies to Banksy).

brooksby replied to Wheelywheelygood | 3 months ago

Wheelywheelygood wrote:

Maybe if the tram doors were fitted with red lights they would be more attractive to ride straight on ,but the seats must be 1.5 mts apart to be safe 

Oh, wait, I see what you did there surprise

neilmck | 3 months ago

The mayor of Paris claims that reducing the number of SUVs in Paris is an important matter. I don't think she does and neither do Parisians.. If it was an important matter she would have just made the bye-law herself, there was no reason to call a referendum. When only 5% of the population come out to vote, you might as well throw a dice. The result is random, not democratic. Only 2.7% of the population voted for the mayor's SUV policy. The only real conclusion you can come to is that 97.3% of Parisians don't think it is important enough to vote for it.

mitsky replied to neilmck | 3 months ago

The stats on the votes show approximately 45%, who voted, didn't want it.

If only 5% of the population came out to vote that means only something like less than 2..5% didn't want it.
I assume that most if not all of those 2.5% are owners of SUVs.

My questions are:
1) what percentage of people there (or are affected by this increase) own SUVs (presumably more than 2.5%)?
2) did those other SUV owners not vote against it because they didn't know about the vote or they don't care/can afford it?

marmotte27 | 3 months ago

No one needs an SUV. Full stop.

Wheelywheelygood replied to marmotte27 | 3 months ago

Try fitting a wheelchair into a small car ,I have a big gas guzzler but the chair only fits by a few mil it's the smallest I could get and still have a hoist fitted . Cars look big these days but most of it is the crash protection requirement ,there's actually less useable space inside than ever , and don't say get an electric ive never seen a charging point that gives a wheelchair user access space to use one .nobody thought of that .just a thought the bigger cars often have multiple bike racks on them to take our healthy bikes on holiday very eco friendly 

mark1a replied to Wheelywheelygood | 3 months ago

Sorry to hear that, have a look at the VW Caddy, mine is great, size of a car and 55mpg+ too. 

chrisonabike replied to mark1a | 3 months ago

The energy saving trust did a report on challenges and some solutions:

If only we had safe spaces for people to wheel in the UK

...or drive their Cantas.

Doctor Darabuka replied to mark1a | 3 months ago
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Paris are not imposing parking charges on "SUVs" as such. 

It is proposed to implement charges on heavy vehicles   If that remains the sole crierion then some VW Caddy models exceed the proposed weight limit and would be chargeable - as would my works van, especially as I'm not a resident of Paris.

mark1a replied to Doctor Darabuka | 3 months ago

I've just read that, yes - seems SUVs don't enter into it, it's just ICE vehicles over 1.6 tonnes and EVs over 2 tonnes. So basically everything then. Seems like a very blunt object way to differentiate.

marmotte27 replied to Wheelywheelygood | 3 months ago

All these poor wheelchair users locked up for millennia before SUVs were invented...
You make me weep (your stupidity that is)!

youngoldbloke replied to marmotte27 | 3 months ago
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marmotte27 wrote:

All these poor wheelchair users locked up for millennia before SUVs were invented... You make me weep (your stupidity that is)!

It used to be possible to buy small sensibly shaped estate cars that could accomodate wheelchairs easily - the peugeot 405, or the ford focus estate (original shape) for example. These cars were relatively affordable. Even our  Peugeot 5008 (old shape) is smaller than most SUVs. We only bought this (after exhaustive research) because a suitable small estate was no longer available. Don't mock - it might happen to you one day.

mctrials23 replied to marmotte27 | 3 months ago

marmotte27 wrote:

No one needs an SUV. Full stop.

They don't but people like them and if you have kids the bloody car seats take up a huge amount of room. We have a 3008 which is very much a "small" SUV and at 6'2" I cannot sit comfortably in the drivers seat with the baby seat behind me. I'm sure its much safer that the old ones but my word are they bulky buggers these days. 

I would have gone for an estate car as any good cyclist would but I was overruled by the missus. SUVs are almost never the most practical car but people, especially women seem to love the high up driving position. 

On a related note, I was cycling for a few hours the other day and there seemed to be a glut of expensive new executive land rovers on the roads. They are absolute monstrousities. They genuinely don't fit on one side of the road on any normal sized road. Oversized, overweight and no doubt about as fuel efficient as a tank.  

chrisonabike replied to mctrials23 | 3 months ago
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mctrials23 wrote:

I would have gone for an estate car as any good cyclist would but I was overruled by the missus. SUVs are almost never the most practical car but people, especially women seem to love the high up driving position.

As you say estates would be a better and more practical bet for actual carrying people and things.

Perhaps you should have offered to say it with ... a truck cab (great elevated view out front!  Probably get four kids up there next to you and nobody's pushing you around on the roads...)

Or if DIY-minded rig up an umpire's chair through the sunroof.

There is deffo something to the psychology of the elevated driving position.  Even though with the chunkier door pillars and restricted close-in view in front / back your view is often worse people feel they can see better.

But yes - although the category "SUV" has expanded faster than the cars themselves for "the original use" the only thing they are particularly good for is "transporting fragile egos".

Doctor Darabuka replied to mctrials23 | 3 months ago
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I agree with your sentiment , however, Paris isn't imposing additional charges on SUVs they are imposing them on "heavy" vehicles. 

If the scheme is implemented just on weight (and not additional criteria such as 4x4) then I believe some models of the Peugeot 3008 exceed the weight limit and would be chargeable (if you don't reside in Paris).  If anyone has evidence to the contrary I'd be happy to be corrected.

Matthew Acton-Varian replied to Doctor Darabuka | 3 months ago
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The vast majority of SUVs, some MPV's and larger estates would fall fould of the weight limit. I had a 2006 Honda Accord with a 2.2l turbo diesel which was just over the limit with a near empty fuel tank. The only SUV models that would fall under the weight limit are the smaller type SUVs and the Hatchback Crossovers providing they are fitted with petrol/gasoline and not large diesel engines.

Simon E replied to mctrials23 | 3 months ago
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mctrials23 wrote:

marmotte27 wrote:

No one needs an SUV. Full stop.

They don't but people like them and if you have kids the bloody car seats take up a huge amount of room. We have a 3008 which is very much a "small" SUV and at 6'2" I cannot sit comfortably in the drivers seat with the baby seat behind me.

Could tall people not fit in a car before SUVs were invented?

My father in-law is 6'3" and drove a Mk 2 Polo for years, even driving the family over to SW Ireland. It probably wasn't ideal (my brother in-law is the same height). I'm not that tall and drove Mk2 Polos for many years, including with 2 children in the back. We never had any issues getting them or the child seats in or out, despite it only being a small 2-door car.

One solution would be to choose a smaller car that makes better use of the space. When my in-laws bought a Honda Civic (2002/2003 I think) it was a revelation in that regard. Most people appear to select a car with their heart, not the head.

don simon fbpe replied to marmotte27 | 3 months ago

marmotte27 wrote:

No one needs an SUV. Full stop.

While not an SUV, I do need my  19 year old 4x4 and am probably more eco friendly than you! Unless you live in a Passiv House, my heating bill in this UK winter has been around £30... And yours?

Matthew Acton-Varian | 3 months ago
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I'm not one who stubbornly picks tradition over practicality of future but I have to agree with Dan Martin, and I hope that the Saudi PIF interest goes nowhere.

1. I don't want to see their blood money in sport.

2. Cycling has its quirks laid in its tradition, and circuit racing won't replace the Monuments, Spring Classics or Grand Tours. Whilst circuit racing could be more sustainable, it might not provide the drama or throw up as many surprises as traditional racing. It also narrows the field of potential winners, because Climbers and GC riders would be disadvantaged in a circuit series against Puncheurs and Sprinters who would effectively win 99% of those types of races. Even on a circuit 15-20km long.

ROOTminus1 replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 3 months ago
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Whilst I share Dan Martin's over-arching scepticism, I agree with your rationale more than his.

Circuit races make more sense from a purely financial position; easier and cheaper to cover the entire race for broadcasting, can enclose audience and charge more for tickets, etc. But it doesn't make sense from the sport point of view, you kill off the races-within-a-race and the performances are homogenised and sanitised.

Sadly greed will always play a part. With a big enough prize fund, enough people can be convinced to ignore tradition for the classics to fall, however £250m isn't going to cut it

Matthew Acton-Varian replied to ROOTminus1 | 3 months ago

£250m is a drop in the ocean compared to what LIV Golf, Newcastle United and other PIF funded investments have recieved in recent years. They have enough in reserves to pump more in if they don't get the desired result.

Safety | 3 months ago

Echoing some other comments on here re the proposal to build on the Roseburn route I truly despair at our council.
Quite apart from any pros and cons, any sensible pragmatic official would recognize there's not a snowballs chance on hell of getting the £2B funding and therefore look to what else they can do with their time. But no, our lot want to pour countless thousands down the drain on consultations and feasibility studies. Aren't we fortunate there's nothing else that needs doing with the limited money they have in their budget.

Oldfatgit | 3 months ago

Paris: let's make it tough for the biggest pollutants.
Edinburgh: hold my beer ...

HoarseMann | 3 months ago

One for wtjs, spotted yesterday:

Hirsute | 3 months ago

Somehow cyclist avoids being wiped out by chance

This driver doesn't know the highway code on roundabouts and cyclists
Cyclist was also brave (or foolhardy !)

brooksby replied to Hirsute | 3 months ago

In that first clip, its very worrying that the clip-submitter can't understand why the cyclist might wave a fist at the bus driver who has nearly killed them.

brooksby replied to brooksby | 3 months ago

And at the beginning of the second video, I think the cyclist there has a point - says that motorists can't see beyond the cyclist right in front of them.  They MGIF of the cyclist, and the rest of the world ceases to exist.  Happened to me twice this morning 

ktache | 3 months ago

The turnout was shockingly low.
But a majority is a majority...


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