Tom Dumoulin runs super quick 32:38 10k (sorry, Adam Yates!); Moaning motorists made miserable by segregated cycle lane; 100 miles out the saddle postponed; Stolen cycling dinosaur; No beer in Belgium; Should Pog go for the Giro? + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
Won't somebody please think of the parking...Moaning motorists made miserable by segregated cycle lane plans
Motorists who park in a cycle lane don’t want the cycle lane to be made segregated because they then can’t park in it.
I mean, I presume that’s what they said, I can’t hear a word over the noise of passing motor vehicles!
pic.twitter.com/6g1jLGcjcl— CycleGaz™ (@cyclegaz) November 14, 2021
Today’s dose of cycle lane-bashing comes from Grimsby where this group of locals told the local press about their displeasure at plans to build a new segregated cycle lane outside their homes. Ironically drowned out by the noise of passing traffic, the resident explained they wouldn’t be able to park outside their houses if the lane is built…
North East Lincolnshire Council is consulting on the scheme for the new infrastructure, but Craig Lamb told Grimsby Live the lane would make life a misery for motorists…
“It was quite a shock when the plans came out. The proposed idea will have a massive knock on effect down here. Parking is my primary concern however. As we are in a conservation area, we can’t make changes [build off-street parking] to accommodate for this new cycle lane,” he said.
“The idea is to put double yellow lines along the road, but that will mean nearly 200 residents will have to park elsewhere. However, these streets are already quite congested and there are two schools in the area as well.
“I have two children who go to the schools and I often see cars flying past when I go to pick them up or drop them off. To add to that by making people park on busy streets seems simply unfeasible. It’s already excessive, we don’t need to be making the situation worse.
“I don’t see why they can’t just incorporate the cycle lane on to the paths like they have done elsewhere. I’m not against improving cycle and road safety by any means, but I find it disappointing that no one seems to have really asked us if we’re okay with it.”
A spokesperson for North East Lincolnshire told the local news outlet:
These are currently only proposals at this stage and we are still formulating the responses from our most recent round of engagement.
We have engaged with cyclists, residents, businesses and colleges throughout this process and have welcomed people to submit their comments via two surveys – one about the initial proposals, and most recently, about the draft design of the cycleway.
If the proposed project goes ahead, it would aim to provide a dedicated and protected space for cyclists, supporting the Government’s renewed focus on sustainable and active travel and the publication of the ‘Gear Change’ national plan which aims to transform the role cycling and walking can play in the transport system and the environment.
That's me told...
Stick to cycling commentary. Comparing a marathon to a 10k is like comparing a Tour de France stage against a criterium.
— Jeremy Maccelari (@jmaccelari) November 15, 2021
Joe the Cyclesaurus stolen (but swiftly returned!)
A big weekend of drama down in Cornwall…Joe the Cyclesaurus was stolen, to the outrage of the local community, only to be swiftly returned after the police got involved.
One of the four public art dinosaurs in Camborne, Joe the Cyclesaurus went missing yesterday morning. The news was reported by BID Camborne who said they were “shocked” by the theft…
“These were installed for the children and people of the town to enjoy and were securely concreted and welded in place so are saddened that this must have been a deliberate act. The area is covered comprehensively by CCTV and we are in conversations with the police. We would ask anyone reading this who knows who took the dinosaur to private message us to arrange swift return. Any members of the public with information please also private message our page.
“We would like anyone reading this who knows who took the dinosaur to private message us to arrange a swift return,” wins the ‘things I didn’t expect to read this morning’ award…
Locals were reportedly outraged by the news. One told Cornwall Live, “I am not surprised one little bit, we can’t have anything nice someone always ruins it.”
The great dino robbery didn’t last long. The post was later updated with the relieving news that Joe had been returned “looking a bit worse for ware”. Perhaps Joe just went for a night on the town? We need answers…
Court rules German delivery apps must give couriers bikes and phones or pay compensation
Food delivery services in Germany have been ordered to provide bikes and mobile phones for their employees or pay them compensation, a Federal Labour Court ruled on Thursday.
euronews.next reports the move came about when Frankfurt-based courier Philipp Schurk took delivery company Lieferando to court to demand he be given the essential tools for his work.
Lieferando is the country’s subsidiary of Just Eat Takeaway, and argued that its employees already had bikes and phones so were not “significantly burdened” by having to use their own equipment.
The court ruled it “unreasonably disadvantages” riders who risked damaging their own equipment while working. The company had previously offered couriers a €0.25 bicycle repair voucher per hour worked. Some employees criticised this approach however, saying they had to be used at a repair shop of the company’s choice.
“This is a strong and groundbreaking signal to establish fair and equal working conditions in the industry,” said Freddy Adjan, vice chairman of Germany’s Food and Catering Union NGG.
No beer...in Belgium?
A Ghent Six-Day without beer? It’s like running the race without the track. 😯🍺#zesdaagsegent #ghent6day
— Gregor Brown (@gregorbrown) November 15, 2021
Some last-minute restrictions have put a dent in the plans for a Ghent Six party this week. Racing begins on Wednesday, with Cav and Deceuninck-Quick-Step teammate Iljo Keisse, amongst the big-name starters. However, there won’t be beer…
An increase in Covid cases in Belgium has seen extra measures, including mandatory mask wearing and no catering or drinking inside the venue…that’s not very Belgian…
Last week, Cav got back on the boards to prepare for the week. Keisse wasn’t too impressed by his tinkering…“Cav changes bikes like underwear,” the 38-year-old told Het Nieuwsblad. “He has decided to ride on a different frame and they’re being set up and finished at the service course in Wevelgem. When he stopped after 15 laps on Monday, I thought ‘here we go again’.”
it’s the Manx Missile’s return to the event he last competed at in 2019, and won five years ago alongside a certain Sir Bradley Wiggins…
"I don’t think winning the Tour de France three or four times makes much of a difference to a rider’s career": Giro d'Italia director dares Tadej Pogačar to try Giro-Tour double
Surprise, surprise…Mauro Vegni is trying to cajole a Giro d’Italia appearance out of Tadej Pogačar. The director of the Giro d’Italia said there’s “little else to prove” after you’ve won one yellow jersey…
“I don’t think winning the Tour de France three or four times makes much of a difference to a rider’s career,” Vegni told La Gazzetta dello Sport. “When you win it once, you’ve proved you’re a great rider and there’s little else to prove. It’s a pity that nobody seems to have the desire to try to win the Giro-Tour double. If I’m not wrong, the last was Pantani. So perhaps it’s time for a rider to add their name to that roll of honour.”
Last week’s jumbled route announcement left most people very, very confused. But we’ve all had some time to digest the scattergun approach and the consensus seems to be it’ll be another tough Giro, although this time more suited to the climbers thanks to the relatively short TT kilometres.
RGT simplifies set-up features
RGT has simplified how riders can connect and meet up with other users on its online cycling platform with it now being available as a standalone app for Windows, Mac, iPhone, iPad, Android devices and Apple TV, with no extra devices required. Basically, to take a ride, join an event or start a workout you no longer need to combine the mobile app with the screen app.
RGT also now has its Remote app which is a new, completely optional, mobile app that can be used to complement your ride on RGT, as well as control and navigate RGT when you’re not close to your main device, such as PC, Mac or Apple TV.
As well as all this, RGT launched its new site where you now create and manage events, and make changes to your account.
"You know you’ve married the right person when they let you do this"...
You know you’ve married the right women when she lets you do this ! Thanks @MrsChunkie #cycling #art pic.twitter.com/dqACOJf0pe
— Tim Bailey (@chunkiebailey) November 13, 2021
Chad Tavernia postpones out the saddle century due to illness...but wants a crack before the week's out
Chad Tavernia unfortunately had to postpone his out the saddle Zwift century attempt on Saturday due to an illness last week. Tavernia made headlines here on road.cc with his whacky 100-miler in the summer…not least because of cheating allegations, reader detective work and the outright craziness of riding 100 miles without sitting down…
Anyway, this attempt is the proof once and for all that he can do it. Chad said he’s hoping to give it a go at some point this week once he’s fully recovered so we’ll keep you up to date with the new date.
Movember Strava art
PR Stunt of the Day.
A man known as the “Pedalling Picasso” has created a virtual portrait of a moustached man by cycling 75 miles across London to raise money for Movember. pic.twitter.com/kOXSWwPNLj
— Andrew Bloch (@AndrewBloch) November 14, 2021
From the same Strava artist who brought you last year’s best festive message…
Sorry, Adam Yates...Tom Dumoulin can run faster than you
Tom Dumoulin ran 10 km in 32:38 in Maastricht. The pace of 3:15.8 / 1 km — 3,677 m in the Cooper test (12 min).https://t.co/8SpjL4ghMa
— ammattipyöräily (@ammattipyoraily) November 14, 2021
For any of you who dabble in some off-season running, upload your sessions to Strava, only to see four or five-minute kilometre pace, you’ll know how impressive Tom Dumoulin’s 10km time of 32:38 is. I honestly think it’s not too far out the ballpark I’d be looking at for a 5km at the moment…
It seems running fast is this year’s big winter trend in the pro peloton. Last week, Adam Yates clocked a sub-three hour effort at the Barcelona Marathon straight “off the beach”. These pro riders are built different…
> Adam Yates goes running (he’s pretty quick)
Dumoulin probably (possibly/maybe/maybe not) has more of a runner’s build than Yates, and carried his long frame to second at the Groene Loper Run in his hometown of Maastricht, just 17 seconds off the winning time.
If Adam Yates running the Barcelona Marathon in 2:58:06 wasn’t amazing enough, Tom Dumoulin did a 32:38 10K #procycling https://t.co/Cy2zZKEcPh
— Steve Royle (@clathrin) November 14, 2021
Someone with more running knowledge will have to tell me if Dumoulin’s performance is more impressive than Freddy Ovett, L39ION rider and son of Steve Ovett, clocking a 2:48:55 at the Los Angeles Marathon.
Of course the greatest pro cyclist running achievement of all-time was Tom Pidcock winding up the entire running community by uploading a post claiming to have run a 13:26 5km, just five seconds slower than the British record…only for it to have been a case of dodgy GPS. 10/10 entertainment…
Maybe a future stage of a Grand Tour can include a 5km run to the bikes…hmm, on second thought this is starting to sound a bit too triathlon-y…
Reaction to Tom Dumoulin's turbo 10...
Blimey that’s a quick 10k.
— Stuart Devine (@Devinesc) November 15, 2021
If Adam Yates’ sub-three hour marathon was ‘alright for a pro athlete’…Tom Dumoulin’s 32-minute 10km has been far better received. A few of you even took time out of your day to congratulate the Dutchman on his effort. How lovely.
Simon Warren did not…he’s had enough of this running nonsense…
Enough with the cyclists running already, get back on your bikes guys. https://t.co/lTgvkDWbDj
— Simon Warren (@100Climbs) November 15, 2021
peted76 thinks he’s worked out how the 2017 Giro d’Italia winner clocked such an impressive time…it’s amazing what you can do when you really need to go…”That’s a mega impressive 10km run time!! Maybe he needed the loo?”
Any excuse to dig this up. Okay, maybe don’t dig that up…
Tom Dumoulin leading the Giro and has to go to the toilet pic.twitter.com/hFXmgs6kD8
— Gareth Thomas GAFFA . BLM . Anti Brexit, REMAINER (@rhonddaborn) May 23, 2017
And now we get to those of you taking issue with us saying Dumoulin’s faster than Yates. Obviously running a marathon is very different to a 10km, and we weren’t suggesting taking Dumoulin’s time and stretching it out over 42km…just that running a 32:38 10km is the greater achievement than a sub-three marathon.
If you look at road running standards 32 min 10k is totally different level to sub 3hr marathon. Diamond/elite standard vs bronze/good club runner – a 32 puts you on 2:30 trajectory
— Mark (@Mark65589699) November 15, 2021
Cheers, Mark…
Netherlands coach Louis van Gaal takes training in a golf cart after falling off his bike
Netherlands coach Louis van Gaal suffered a hip injury when he fell off his bicycle this week, so he took training from a golf cart. You can’t keep a good man down. pic.twitter.com/eWgN4cekWx
— MUNDIAL (@MundialMag) November 15, 2021
Poor Louis van Gaal is feeling the pain after a fall from his bike in the build up to his nation’s World Cup qualifying decider against Norway. The 70-year-old was unable to attend today’s press conference in person but appeared by video link, sitting in a wheelchair.
The former Manchester United manager was cycling near the team hotel when he fell and was taken to hospital for tests. “Physically I’m not good, but the brain is still working. I’m in a lot of pain, that’s why I was in a buggy during training. I can still do everything and have done all the preparation that I normally would have.”
Captain Virgil van Dijk said the incident was “definitely a shock”. Van Gaal stressed he would still be on the bench for the Netherlands’ all-important final qualifier against Norway tomorrow where a point will be enough to see them qualify for next November’s tournament in Qatar.
How did the rest of the team travel to training?
The pro cycling running craze continues
“I’ve had a blast pulling on my running shoes this off season. On Sunday I competed in my first ever trail running race. It was a pretty challenging 15km on some very hilly & technical trails.”
Anyone else enjoy cross-training like Jimmy? ✋ ⬇️ #MondayMotivation pic.twitter.com/lwnvwue2OR
— EF Pro Cycling (@EFprocycling) November 15, 2021
Everyone’s at it. Can’t be long before Mathieu van der Poel pops up with a two and a half hour marathon…
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See Hambinis recent you tube video on the quality of BMC frames.
Jetmans Dad "Food delivery riders in particular are riding overpowered 'eBikes' that are basically mopeds … powered only via the throttle without pedalling at significantly more than 15mph. Problem is they look like normal bikes/ebikes and not like mopeds so that is what people describe them as." Indeed, mistaken identification of e-motorcycles as bicycles is a significant problem because different regulations and training apply, so different enforcement. Even worse are the illegaly modified e-motorcycles that are not operated as such, without training, insurance and compliance generally. Zero hour employment contracts and employers taking no practical responsibility make it worse yet. Then there's the health impacts on customers that fall on taxpayers through the NHS.
I might be cynical about Police re-organisations but how many new senior officer posts will be created in this re-organisation.
I have to put it back into mode eight so rarely that I will have to open up the manual. Normally when I stick it on the bars when I had to send my r4 back to Hope. Or if it seemed to go a bit weird. Can't remember the last time.
I have nothing but praise for my helmet mounted Exposure Axis, running eight years now. Battery only does two and a bit commutes now, so I'm going to either upgrade to the Diablo or see if they will upgrade the battery. If they'd released their STVZo road/4k lumens when your giving it some going downhill off road light I would have bought it first day. Mode 8 for me, low low, good mid and top high, decided after a couple of weeks of use and I've never changed. I use the button or the tap function (Tap 2 for me) to cycle through the power levels. Exceptional helmet light. The button is it's weak point, but very livable, I am glad of the tap function. It can sometimes take a few presses to get the flashing bit with its press and hold, but not for too long because that's off.
Hard to see who replies on any thread. I only visit the site a couple of times a week as it is not usable.
People who want to travel safely in a 20 mph area, so that no motor vehicle tries to overtake them, need to be capable of 20 mph so get no assistance at all from a legal e-bike that provides 15.5 mph. So the e-bike regulations are broken because they encourage unsafe overtaking by impatient drivers (5 mph). In 30 mph roads, the 10 mph difference would still allow safe overtaking to be completed in short distances. So the low speed 15.5 is less safe in practice not safer.
I have been doing some cross-checking between my records and the police dataset How do you do that? The spreadsheet has been designed to ensure that you can't. There's no unique code for each incident, so why haven't they included that? There are many incidents dated from the same location on the same day by the same despised reporter category (cyclist) for the same offender category (such as 'car'). The great majority of intended (as usual in these misleading 'databases', it's not the real outcome) outcomes is the entirely useless 'warning letter'. Is there anybody out there who believes that the average police officer could rouse either the wit or the willingness to determine whether the offender has received a warning letter previously?! Some people will be receiving numerous such letters to throw in the bin, which encourages them to repeat the offence. As for the claimed 'positive outcome'!- only the most deluded could believe that
I pretty much have stopped bothering. I also find when I come to the site it loads the previous days page and I have to refresh to see today’s front page.
I regularly submit reports to A&S Police, and keep detailed records of what I have submitted, and the responses. I have been doing some cross-checking between my records and the police dataset. I'm afraid correlation is patchy at best. So, I am not confident in the dataset's accuracy. Further, where I can be fairly certain of a correlation, it's been largely warning letters issued for very clear video evidence of hand-held mobile phone use whilst driving. No wonder I see so many doing so. They have nothing much to fear. :o( Should I keep bothering?
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Weelsby Road in Grimsby does
Weelsby Road in Grimsby does indeed appear to have on-road parking (including, in one image, a poorly marked skip). But most houses have ample driveways, in many cases for more than one car. In Street View, some of the cars parked on the road are outside houses with empty driveways.
There are, as the video mentions, some houses without driveways at the front. I think the beanie-hatted gent mentions people being refused VACs. He doesn’t seem to mention that all of the houses without a front drive (that I checked, albeit not exhaustively) had parking and often garages to the rear. There are also several side roads which, in many cases, have long sections that pass the sides of the houses in question, so there is significant space there for visitors (or 3rd/4th cars) to be parked without being outside houses on the side roads. For a road that appears to be 17.5 to 20m+ wide, that already incorporates filter lanes for general traffic there should be sufficient space to include a general lane in each direction plus a footway and a cyclepath on either side.
Perhaps they should campaign for subsidies for the delapidated garages in the conservation area to be renovated smartly.
“Why can’t it be on the
“Why can’t it be on the pavement like in other areas”
News from other areas.
‘Residents complain about cyclists zooming past their front gates. Clive Nimby is quoted “They zoom past too close. I was almost knocked over stepping out of my garden as I walked to get into my car whilst on the phone to my employee. Why can’t they be on the road like in other areas?” ‘
On first thought I actually
On first thought I actually sympathised with the residents a bit here, I mean if you’re used to parking outside your house in a suburb and are being told that you can’t ,that’d be a pain right, regardless of the wrongs that it might right.. But actually looking at that road on googlemaps they are being absolute numptys. That road is huge, the houses are massive and there’s buckets of offstreet parking available. Bloody NIMBY’s.
Yeah, but then they’d have to
Yeah, but then they’d have to manoeuvre; and they might need to juggle (not literally juggle) which car is parked in first, depending on who needs to get out.
Far more convenient to just dump their cars on the public highway.
Which is what happens; why
Which is what happens; why bother parking on the drive, when it’s far easier to park in the road? You see this almost everywhere.
We’ve allowed this for far too long, that it’s going to take a massive effort to change it. Again, we’ve come to rely on the car far too much.
Velophaart_95 wrote:
A pet hate of mine!
My next door neighbour has one of those massive pick up truck ‘company cars’ and refuses to park on his own driveway becuase it messes his gravel about (I kid you not). It’s worse than that because:- he parks over the give way lines on the road (we’re on a service road so that’s not too terrible), he then gets all humpty about anyone else parking outside his house.
Every house on the service road has their own driveways, there really is no need for anyone but visitors to park on the road, it’d make an ideal segregated bike path if it wasn’t already used quite happily that way, without expence already.
peted76 wrote:
— peted76Report him, it’s illegal.
HC Rule 243
DO NOT stop or park:
opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space
I am assuming “do not” has the same legal effect as “must not”, but I’m happy to be corrected by someone who actually knows.
I don’t think the ‘DO NOT’
I don’t think the ‘DO NOT’ does have a legal underpinning – if it did, it would typically reference the relevant legislation underneath the rule, and 243 has nothing.
eburtthebike wrote:
I think that’s a rule which has definitely become optional in this ‘ere modern day…
peted76 wrote:
I often do the same Streetview search when these issues arise and nine times out of ten it’ll be a street as you describe where every house has off-street parking. What “There’s nowhere for me to park” usually means is “There’s nowhere for me, my partner and our three young adult children to park because we all have cars and the drive will only take two.”
Yep – this is absolutely
Yep – this is absolutely standard. I’d say it’s probably one of the more common “issues” around road change e.g. the suburbs are everywhere. In Edinburgh, it’s pretty much axiomic that no infrastructure will be considered *unless* there is already other parking available (well, except for the tram…). The council are quite used to ignoring small numbers of people saying rude things to them but they don’t want people throwing things at them in the street! Lots of places here have garages (sometimes too small for modern cars though!), driveways AND on-street parking. A common arrangement is that there are “service streets” running either side of the “main road” (limited parking there) – with some grass too. Truly “the streets are not too narrow, your minds are too narrow…”
However let’s try to empathise – because non-cyclists are in the majority. It’s quite believable that the council didn’t do much consulting. Although when you check it’s also common that people can be very hard to reach… It’s a change and it initially looks like a negative for them. They’ve got busy lives and routines which they’ve developed around their cars – they probably have several per household. And finally they’re living on / next to what appears to be a pretty busy and unpleasant street! If only there weren’t so much traffic around their schools…
chrisonatrike wrote:
All too often people complain about not being consulted. They complain at consultation events that they knew nothing about the event (so how come you’re here?). Have they enquired about being notified about local consultations, or checked the local authority web site for consultations? Some are ‘pre-digital’, but there are many who take no interest until the thing that affects them pass them by.
Some people are disadvantaged, and consultation is difficult. But many simply don’t take the opportunities that are freely available to be informed. How much money should councils spend on every consulted decision before it is fair to suggest that people should make some effort to be consulted?
In this case, it looks like this is an early stage consultation. There will be further plans, public information and democratic approval before any scheme is implemented. Decisions are made by those who turn up.
This is as much for us as others: it is about time we educated ourselves about being informed, consulted and engaged in what goes on around us.
In their defence, the
In their defence, the consultation notice was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of the Leopard.”
andystow wrote:
Cars: mostly harm
lessfulGMBasix wrote:
Except for Ford Prefects.
andystow wrote:
hawkinspeter wrote:
Seriously. Just stop!
GMBasix wrote:
Completely agree of course – and indeed when you ask why nothing continues to happen at a snail’s pace the first answer is always that we have to wait for consultations (always with “stakeholders” – it must be those Transylvanian vampire hunters again…). The reality is those with something to gain / organisations with something to lose are hot on these things. However most normal people seem to spend no time on this essentially until it hits them. I have a modicum of sympathy because council communications normally have the power of making your eyes slide off the paper / screen and your brain stop and it’s sometimes necessary to read them several times.
And they say a squirrel never
And they say a squirrel never changes its spots!
Grim wrote:
That’s a mega impressive 10km
That’s a mega impressive 10km run time!! Maybe he needed the loo?
Why’s Dumoulin got “more of a
Why’s Dumoulin got “more of a runner’s build”? Genuine question – I am baffled by this comment.
jpj84 wrote:
He’s tall and has long legs like a one humped camel. Whereas I believe those of us with builds like dachshunds are considered to be sub-optimal at running and jumping games. Although I’ve heard hippo’s are pretty quick so this is all clearly hearsay and conjecture.
peted76 wrote:
Hippos are quick runners and excellent swimmers. You’ve really got to be on top of your cycling game if you’re going to beat one in a triathlon.
Steve K wrote:
They’re not so good at climbing trees, though
If my cat brings in one of
If my cat brings in one of those, I’m moving house.
Steve K wrote:
Just stop.
Just stop.
I knew there was a reason I
I knew there was a reason I stopped doing acid at lunchtime…
chrisonatrike wrote:
You obviously have too much
You obviously have too much time on your hands Peter. Get out on your bike and clear your head mate!
giff77 wrote:
I’ll have you know I’m busy “working-from-home” and besides, it’s a rest day.
Ahh! Then we’ll earned R&R!!!
Ahh! Then we’ll earned R&R!!!
Steve K wrote:
Your cats more likely to bring in a hippopotamouse.
I absolutely need one of
I absolutely need one of these in my life. Come on genetic engineers, up your game!
Rendel Harris wrote:
Just get yourself a net on a stick, a pair of heavy duty gardening gloves and a marker pen.
peted76 wrote:
A quick look at the average height of top level distance runners would show how much of an advantage being tall is ?
I’m mildly aggrieved, because, as a lanky runner, I’m constantly getting told (by fellow runners!) that I’m more or less cheating, by being tall – despite all the facts blatantly exposing this myth ?
If drivers don’t like cycle
If drivers don’t like cycle lanes they can only blame drivers
When we have drivers beepeing and abusing cyclists for riding in the road and not facilitating a dangerous pass, the result is that bike lanes are needed.
where we have bike lanes but they are routinely driven in or parked in by drivers, the result is that we need segregated cycle lanes.
If only all drivers would treat cyclists with respect and courtesy these measures which they don’t like would not be necesary.
Same issue as the Lanark Rd,
Same issue as the Lanark Rd, Edinburgh complaints. “I’ve always stored my car on council expensively maintained property because I can’t be bothered using my drive”.
Also looking at the lovely trees lining the road raises an issue, keeping the lanes clear. A friend told me he had to stay out an Edinburgh segregated lane made uncycleable by deep leaves. He was then hooted and abused by some driver’s.
‘It’s going to make school
‘It’s going to make school drop-off times really dangerous because of all the cars that will be forced to park in the side roads’
Or they could maybe … I don’t know … cycle to school instead?
Is that the same person who
Is that the same person who stated
“I have two children who go to the schools and I often see cars flying past when I go to pick them up or drop them off. To add to that by making people park on busy streets seems simply unfeasible. It’s already excessive, we don’t need to be making the situation worse”
So simple solution to all which makes the street safer for cyclists and kids going to school and reduces the immediate need for the segregation, make all the roads in Grimbsy 20mph and make sure the limit is rigourosly enforced with technology and the legal system. Within a few months most of the cars will be off the road through bans and more people will be walking and cycling anyway.
The road in question is
The road in question is approx 1.5 miles long. It looks like the schools in question are no more than 0.5 mile off the main road. An acheiveable distance and flat as well regardless of age. I walked to and from primary in all weathers until allowed to cycle and that was a little over a mile. Also was walking independently from P4 when mum decided I could be trusted. Other classmates would walk 2/3 miles. Though this was the seventies when car ownership was still a privilege rather than a right.
Wonder if the ‘spokesman’ realised that the cycle lane would ultimately make the road safer for his kids to get to and from school.
mdavidford wrote:
It’s the “who makes the first move” thing though. Grimsby doesn’t look like it’s awash with good cycling infra (or any, really) and I’m not astonished that people aren’t keen to have their kids cycle to school there. I’m actually surprised to find it has on-road lanes and even some signs.
It’s a small town in the countryside (Lincolnshire is pretty rural) so people are going to have and value cars (Lincolnshire seems even keener than you’d expect). However it would seem to be a place which could hugely benefit from mass cycling with fewer obstacles to that happening than many places:
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Has anyone checked for Chinese spy activity in the area?
The levels of inconsistency
The levels of inconsistency and lack of critical thinking on how our roads are cofigured and used are truly staggering. The same people who think cyclists progressing at 15-25mph need to get off the road because they are getting in the way, are the same people that think using a lane’s worth of space on each side of the road to abandon a long line of immobile cars is perfectly OK and reasonable! We have just become the most selfish, self-centred society. Not one single topic is assessed any more on its overall merits, or on the greater good. Everything is viewed through a (heavily) polarised and selfish lens. Whether it’s horse riding, dog walking, driving, shooting guns (I’m talking about you Mr Ride London 100 objector) or in fact any interest/hobby – only what an individual wants matters, and every one else can go and do one. Sadly quite a lot of cyclists fall into this (Jeremy Vine being one of them – I could hang back a few seconds and let this bus full of people pull in or I could be a n0b, insist on my right of way in the cycle lane and make a video for social media). All very depressing.
It was terrible driving by
It was terrible driving by the bus driver in the JV video.
“I’m not against improving
“I’m not against improving cycle and road safety by any means,…….”
Oh yes you are.
This 100%, first water, 24 carat hypocrite stands by a very busy road complaining about a cycle lane in a conservation area, saying that the council is hypocritical!
“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!”
XR and Greta are right; COP26 might as well not have happened.
So the bloke riding without a
So the bloke riding without a saddle wants ‘another crack’…
Thank you – I’ve been
Thank you – I’ve been struggling to resist posting something along those lines for the best part of three hours.
Re: Grimbsy cycle lane. The
Re: Grimbsy cycle lane. The residents do have a point. If they are to use their bikes and walking shoes more, then their cars will likely spend more time parked near their home awaiting the occasion when they need to ferry goods or several people. I cycle everywhere I possibly can, and my car gathers cobwebs. But alternative transport options for when the bike is not suitable (picking up a piece of furniture, taking four people on a UK holiday etc.) are just not viable yet. ‘Man and Van’ and Trains are not affordable as a regular alternative. I think it should be a blanket rule across the country..if a car is likely to park on the side of the road, it is an urban road and must be restricted to 20 mph. This should be met with a change in the restricted speed of e-bikes to 20mph, so that bicycles can always keep up with traffic (we all know that the reality is bikes are faster than cars across town anyway).
Muddy Ford wrote:
A) if you don’t need a car much, it matters less that it’s parked 50m away than 5m away.
B) a year of depreciation on a £5k used car, insurance, VED, servicing is quite a lot of Men with Ven, people with e cargo bikes trains or even car rentals.
I don’t understand why on people who leave their car on a stretch of road that is in common ownership don’t have to compensate the rest of us.
TheBillder wrote:
Yeah – it’d be a huge change (although in many cities people already have the notion of parking permits…). I’d be even more ambitious and try and flip the current “can park anywhere you’re not forbidden to” situation to “can only park where specifically allowed to”.
As for hanging on to the car – I think it’s one measure of “I’m independent”, lots of little servings of short-term convenience (“I can just nip round to…”) and the worry that there will be That One Time you really need it and it wasn’t there (your mother calls you with some emergency, your daughter’s having a nasty break up and wants to get out of the house quick, three Pinarellos came up at a once-in-a-lifetime price on Gumtree, cash, you have to test your eyesight…)
I think the miserable
I think the miserable motorists moaning need to be shantied….
Captain Badger wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtmzv2dV0cA
One morning by motor through Grimbsy I went,
For to drop off my children was my good intent,
When I got to the school gates to let out my Jane
I couldn’t park nearby – a bloody bike lane!
Singing roll, bike bullies roll!
Them lycraist cyclists have got us in tow!
chrisonatrike wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dtmzv2dV0cA
One morning by motor through Grimbsy I went,
For to drop off my children was my good intent,
When I got to the school gates to let out my Jane
I couldn’t park nearby – a bloody bike lane!
Singing roll, bike bullies roll!
Them lycraist cyclists have got us in tow!— Captain Badger
That has cheered my morning up! Chapeau!
Captain Badger wrote:
I think these guys have a future in folk – they’ve got beards, a tache a bald head, there’s an old dude in there….
The Miserable Moaning Motorists
They’re going to go stratospheric…