Support road.cc

Like this site? Help us to make it better.

news

"Maybe he forgot to get off his bike": Tom Pidcock challenged over 13:25 5km run claim; UCI bans forearms-out aero position; Chris Froome unconvinced by disc brakes; DIY bike lane video; Chris Gritty; Cummings back at Ineos + more on the live blog

It's the start of a new week and Dan Alexander will be getting you through Monday on the live blog...
08 February 2021, 18:22
"Maybe he forgot to get off his bike": the running and cycling communities continue to question Pidcock's blistering 5k run

Poor Tom Pidcock may live to regret uploading his rather suspect run to Strava unless he can provide some more concrete evidence of a world class 13:25 5km time very soon. 

The news has now hit the running community, and followers of the popular 'I Was, Or Am A Runner' group on Facebook are having their say. One commented: "Nonsense. This is totally contentious. Nobody runs 13.25 for 5k on a morning training run in winter. It is glib and disingenuous indeed to qualify this with the comment 'Apparently this is very fast'. There is no 'apparently' about it. A world class athlete would know the relative paces of other endurance sports."

Another said: "Not bad as he runs about twice a week...complete b*llocks", while another suggested: "Maybe he just forgot to actually get off his bike!"

Pidcock's claims were also compared to a similar situation involving pro footballer Ross Barkley, who also posted what was thought to be an extraordinarily fast 5km last April; and he only claimed to have ran a time of 16:11! We'll be waiting for Mr Pidcock to follow up with another Farah-thrashing performance soon to convince the public of his superior running talents... 

08 February 2021, 17:57
More UCI rule updates: use of forearms as support banned, and fines for littering introduced
2021 Speeco ABB rider 2

After banning riders from sitting on the top tube last week, the UCI are back on the warpath today with some further updates to their amendments for the 2021 season. 

Firstly, using the forearms to create a TT position, with hands out-front as if grabbing onto aerobars, has been banned. The UCI's document on the rule changes now says: "Sitting on the bicycle’s top tube is prohibited. Furthermore, using the forearms as a point of support on the handlebar is prohibited except in time trials."

Riders will now have to dispose of litter in specific zones, with fines dishes out for those who drop gel wrappers, bottles etc on other parts of the course. It's summarised as this: "Riders may not jettison food, bonk-bags, feeding bottles, clothes, etc. outside of the litter zones provided by the organiser. The rider must safely and exclusively deposit their waste on the sides of the road in this the litter zones provided by the organiser.

"Riders may not jettison anything on the roadway itself. Riders may also dispose of bottles and clothing to team cars or organisation vehicles or with the team staff in charge of riders’ feeding.

"In the event of a heat wave, exceptional measures may be put in place by the president of the commissaires' panel in consultation with the organiser."

The rules on race barriers, particularly at the finish line, have been made stricter, with plastic barriers banned: "The use of lightweight barriers (e.g. plastic) to cordon off the event route is prohibited, including after the finish line. The barriers must be weighted down so that they do not move in strong winds or when subject to pressure by spectators or other forces", says the new amendment. 

We'll have more analysis on the rule changes from our tech team soon. 

08 February 2021, 16:46
Mike Woods has his say on Pidcock's 5k time

Israel Start-Up Nation's Mike Woods has an impressive running pedigree having set Canadian junior records at the mile and 3,000m distances as well as winning gold at the 2005 Pan American Junior Athletics Championship. Woods isn't convinced the time was accurate but added that Pidcock could probably still beat him in a race...

08 February 2021, 16:35
Remco Evenepoel given the all clear to get back on the bike following delayed return from injury
Evenepoel Lombardia crash, LaPresse, RCS Sport.JPG

Remco Evenepoel has been cleared to return to training after a further examination on the injury sustained at Il Lombardia last August. Evenepoel had previously recommenced training but was forced to sit out a further few weeks on the advice of doctors. Deceuninck-Quick-Step team doctor Phil Jansen said the 21-year-old will be monitored before planning a return to racing. 

Jansen said: "The recovery process from a crash of the magnitude that Remco had will always have some ups and downs. In the beginning it was all very positive and healing very quickly but then we had a slowing of the process. While this was nothing too severe, we had to pause and we are now happy that Remco can continue training and build towards the start of his season. We will have to proceed with caution and it will still be a long road to him being on the start line of a race, but it is now going in the right direction."

Evenepoel is expected to race the Giro d'Italia in May if his recovery and training continues to go as planned.

08 February 2021, 15:18
"Let’s be honest...Disc brakes are great but, what he’s saying is 100% correct": Chris Froome sparks disc brake vs rim brake debate after saying he's had problems adjusting to discs

A few reader thoughts on the Chris Froome story from this morning...

On Facebook Kevin Low said: "All my bikes have disc brakes. Rim brakes are in the past". While Dave Kelly helpfully suggested: "He could always put his foot in the rear wheel like many did as a child.. It’s the way forward.."

08 February 2021, 15:16
Welcome to the National Cycle Network
08 February 2021, 14:47
Jury's out over Tom Pidcock's near British record 5km time

Tom Pidcock raised eyebrows when he posted on Instagram last night claiming to have run a 5km in 13:25. For context, that's just five seconds slower than Marc Scott's British record, 50 seconds behind Joshua Cheptegei's world record and 30 seconds off Mo Farah's best effort. Pidcock's Strava activity, recorded by a Garmin Forerunner 935, says he set a 5k PB of 13:26, however many have pointed out the GPS looks unreliable and that for parts of the effort he was supposedly running at 1:41/km pace which is faster than 400m world record pace. Pidcock has said he'll try again soon to validate his time.

On Instagram he wrote: "This morning I went out to try break the 15 min 5k, I did a 13.25. Apparently this is very quick. Think I’m going to try again in a few days to validate this. Maybe running is the sport for me."

Tom Pidcock 5k
08 February 2021, 14:17
Steve Cummings back at Ineos as a sports director
Steve Cummings (Image credit: Ross Cooke/INEOS Grenadiers)

Steve Cummings has taken the next step in his cycling career by rejoining Ineos Grenadiers, now in a sports director and coaching role. Cummings enjoyed an incredibly successful road career with highlights including winning two stages of the Tour de France, both road and time trial national championships and the Tour of Britain. Since retirement at the end of the 2019 season Cummings has been studying a sports business management degree. 

The 39-year-old will work with Rod Ellingworth and the team's director of performance Dan Hunt as the team transitions to a more open style of racing seen at the Giro d'Italia and Vuelta a España in 2020. On the team's ambition, Cummings said: "This team has been so incredibly successful in what they’ve done, and that isn’t being changed, it’s just being tweaked and an extra dimension added, which hopefully will bring more success. Riders will see that everyone will get an opportunity, but to earn that opportunity you need discipline and commitment.

"The year is all about learning and making the most of the opportunities I have. I’m here to support the other Sport Directors and riders as best I can. It takes time to become a good Sport Director and coach. I’m working hard in the background and I’ve done a lot of theory work and now I need to connect that with the practical side."

08 February 2021, 14:14
MP's new bike day
08 February 2021, 13:14
Chris Gritty joins the fight against frozen bike lanes
Chris Gritty (via TfL)

Transport for London's latest member of its gritting fleet has been named after the Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty. Chris Gritty will be making its maiden voyage this week to try and clear London's cycle lanes of snow and ice during the freezing temperatures brought from the north by Storm Darcy. Last month, Sir Chris Hoy also had the dubious honour of having a gritter named after him. Sir Gritts Hoy has been working overtime to keep Scotland's South West Trunk Roads clear.

Chris Gritty (via TfL)

 

08 February 2021, 10:54
"I don't think the technology is quite where it needs to be": Chris Froome unconvinced by disc brakes

Chris Froome says he's not completely convinced by disc brakes and suggested he'd prefer his Israel Start-Up Nation Factor Ostro VAM to use rim brakes. Froome was giving a run through of his new bike on his YouTube channel and admitted he's not "100 per cent sold" on disc brakes. The four-time Tour de France winner's steed for the upcoming year featured as our Bike at Bedtime a couple of weeks back where we did a deep dive into his 2021 set up, including the SwissStop disc brake pads and rotors that seem to be causing concern. It's Froome's first full season racing on disc brakes and he expressed doubt about whether the technology is reliable enough.

"I've been using them for the last couple of months," Froome explained. "Performance wise they're great. They always stop when I need to stop in the dry or the wet. They work, they do what they're meant to do. The downsides to disc brakes are the constant rubbing, potential for mechanicals, overheating, the discs becoming a bit warped when you're on a descent for longer than five to ten minutes of constant braking.

"Personally, I don't think the technology is quite where it needs to be yet for road cycling. I think the distance between the disc and rotors is still too narrow. Which means you're going to get rubbing or one piston firing more than the other. You're going to get these little issues. I don't think the pistons retract the way they're meant to all the time.

"Quite often it will work on the stand when the mechanic sorts it out but then once you get onto the road it's a different story. I accept that it's the direction the industry wants to go, we as bike riders are going to have to adapt and learn to use them because if you're not on disc brakes already it's only a matter of time before you're made obsolete and forced onto them."

08 February 2021, 10:11
Étoile de Bessèges weekend racing round up

It was two from two for Filippo Ganna over the weekend. Wearing the rainbow bands as individual time trial world champion, Ganna smashed his way to TT victory having won from the breakaway on Saturday. Tim Wellens extended his lead on Michal Kwiatkowski during the final stage race against the clock to win the race overall by just under a minute. Elsewhere there were impressive performances from Ethan Hayter, who was third in the TT, and Jake Stewart who secured fourth place on GC with a ride that even took him by surprise...

08 February 2021, 08:43
Cyclists worldwide take notes on DIY bike lane video

This video of activists in Mexico painting their own bike lane has been doing the rounds on social media again, and plenty of cyclists from the UK have been taking notes. It actually shows environmental activists creating a 5km guerrilla bike lane in Mexico City in 2011. At the time the group said the action was to highlight the lack of adequate cycling infrastructure. However, with its reemergence on Twitter the video has been catching the eye of cyclists across the world...

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

Add new comment

35 comments

Avatar
PRSboy | 3 years ago
0 likes

New UCI Rules ban using forearms as support... whilst I take the point on the ' mock time trial' position, surely this does not include using the tops of the hoods/bars as support with forearms (per the bloke in the pic)?

What next?  Riders have to use stabilisers?

Avatar
Rendel Harris replied to PRSboy | 3 years ago
0 likes

PRSboy wrote:

New UCI Rules ban using forearms as support... whilst I take the point on the ' mock time trial' position, surely this does not include using the tops of the hoods/bars as support with forearms (per the bloke in the pic)?

 

No that picture's a mistake, that rider's using the new Speeco aerobars, effectively a standard handlebar but with massive dropout sections to enable a TT position (yours for £1400!). Not banned by the UCI yet but doubtless soon will be.

Avatar
mdavidford replied to Rendel Harris | 3 years ago
0 likes

The hands have to be contact with the bars, so strictly speaking the position pictured could be illegal - depends whether the hoods are considered to be part of the bars.

Also, they're not 'new UCI rules' - this, and the top tube position, have been banned for a long while - what's new is the UCI have said they're going to enforce the rules they're a part of more robustly, with increased possible penalties.

Avatar
Rendel Harris replied to mdavidford | 3 years ago
0 likes

mdavidford wrote:

The hands have to be contact with the bars, so strictly speaking the position pictured could be illegal - depends whether the hoods are considered to be part of the bars.

I think it will be banned on the safety grounds that anyone riding on the tops will be too far from the hoods to get to them quickly in an emergency. I guess the manufacturers could experiment with secondary brakes on the tops...

Avatar
wycombewheeler replied to mdavidford | 3 years ago
0 likes

mdavidford wrote:

The hands have to be contact with the bars, so strictly speaking the position pictured could be illegal - depends whether the hoods are considered to be part of the bars.

Also, they're not 'new UCI rules' - this, and the top tube position, have been banned for a long while - what's new is the UCI have said they're going to enforce the rules they're a part of more robustly, with increased possible penalties.

of course the hoods are part of the bars, I don't think they are going to ban holding the bars by the hoods. Holding the hoods gives perfect control of the bike, and easy access to the brakes, a good as beng on the drops, just slightly less aero.

Avatar
mdavidford replied to wycombewheeler | 3 years ago
0 likes

wycombewheeler wrote:

mdavidford wrote:

The hands have to be contact with the bars, so strictly speaking the position pictured could be illegal - depends whether the hoods are considered to be part of the bars.

Also, they're not 'new UCI rules' - this, and the top tube position, have been banned for a long while - what's new is the UCI have said they're going to enforce the rules they're a part of more robustly, with increased possible penalties.

of course the hoods are part of the bars, I don't think they are going to ban holding the bars by the hoods. Holding the hoods gives perfect control of the bike, and easy access to the brakes, a good as beng on the drops, just slightly less aero.

I don't think they're actually going to stop anyone doing this either - I'm just saying that strictly, by the rules, it may be illegal. As I said, they're not 'going to ban' anything - all these positions are already illegal, and have been for a long time - it's just a question of what they actually enforce.

Avatar
wycombewheeler replied to PRSboy | 3 years ago
0 likes

Leaning on hoods with forearms probably should be banned. Hands in contact with bars for proper control. This is all the rule needs to say hands must grip the bars, whether that be tops, drops or hoods (or even aero extensions where they are allowed) is irrelevant. But leaning on tops or or hoods with forearms to adopt a time trial position in events where time trial bars are not allowed would be prevented, which is surely the intent.

If time trial bars are not allowed for safety in group races, then adopting the same postion with less secure control of the handlebars should definitely not be alllowed. 

However the image shown against the story shows a rider with his hands on the hoods, this should be completely fine. This is no different in position to riding on the hoods ona  standard road bike, it just has a little more support for the forearm.

Avatar
Rendel Harris replied to wycombewheeler | 3 years ago
0 likes

wycombewheeler wrote:

However the image shown against the story shows a rider with his hands on the hoods, this should be completely fine. This is no different in position to riding on the hoods ona  standard road bike, it just has a little more support for the forearm.

But as I said above, those are Specco bars with massively extended length putting a rider with hands on the tops much further away from the brakes than with standard bars. Be amazed if the UCI allow them, nobody's tried them in a race yet (AFAIK).

 

Avatar
OnYerBike | 3 years ago
0 likes

I'm going to say 13:25 is probably optimistic, looking at the GPS data and since Strava picks the "fastest" 5k based on that GPS data. There are a few extra wiggles which will increase the recorded distance travelled in the same elapsed time. FYI the strava activity is here: https://www.strava.com/activities/4748319774 (the date is wrong).

That said, I'm not too suprised that a professional athlete is a bloody fast runner...

Avatar
PRSboy replied to OnYerBike | 3 years ago
1 like

Unless he was being chased by an angry dog, that GPS trace does look a bit random.  As you say though, an elite cyclocrosser could no doubt put in a good 5k time.

But good lord the vitriol in some of the strava comments.  What is the matter with people.  I hope he can do a properly timed 5k and prove the trolls wrong!

Avatar
andystow replied to OnYerBike | 3 years ago
0 likes

He does 5 laps around that triangle from 1.0 to 4.6 miles on his Strava record, so 3.6 miles or 5.8 km, including his fastest miles.

Using the measure feature on Google maps, each lap of the inside pavement/path is nearly exactly 1 km. I think the inside path is a safe bet unless he particularly enjoys crossing roads for no reason. Distance is therefore high by about 16%. Correcting 13:25 upwards by the same amount yields right at 16:00.

Avatar
brooksby | 3 years ago
7 likes

Gritting cycle lanes?  Gawd, those cyclists in that there London have it easy, don't they?

 

 3

Avatar
Grahamd | 3 years ago
0 likes

The enthusiasm Chris shows for his bike is er...sadly lacking.

Avatar
ChasP replied to Grahamd | 3 years ago
3 likes

I admired his honesty

Avatar
andyp replied to ChasP | 3 years ago
0 likes

Wait, Froome has honesty? There's a first time for everything.

Avatar
IanEdward | 3 years ago
1 like

Quote:

"I accept that it's the direction the industry wants to go, we as bike riders are going to have to adapt and learn to use them because if you're not on disc brakes already it's only a matter of time before you're made obsolete and forced onto them."

I think this is hugely telling, riders need to adapt to a technology because it's what the industry wants! Surely it should be the other way around?

What's in it for the industry? Just a case of newer and shinier? Forces people to abandon existing wheelsets, framesets, brakes, shifters etc.

I'm also convinced that the markups on disc brake kit are waaaaaaay higher than on conventional rim brake kit, I mean why does it cost soo much more to manufacture a disc brake calliper when arguably they are mechanically much simpler than a rim brake calliper? Why are hydraulic STIs so much more expensive than mechanical? Granted there is an extra piston in there, and they'll probably be recouping a bit of R&D (more-so than the callipers at least) but otherwise?
 

Avatar
fwhite181 replied to IanEdward | 3 years ago
2 likes

One thing that bugs me most is the shift from Post/ISO mounts (which satisfied the MTB crowd for years with their undeniably higher demands of brake systems) to flat mount. The reason seems to be mainly because Shimano managed to patent the flatmount systems and thus also the frame-standards that go with them.

Upshot - every frame manufacturer is forced to build frames that match Shimano's new standard, rather than the industry wide (i.e. non-profitable) Post/ISO standards and thus...sort out licensing of Shimano's patents. See also: four-arm cranks, the shift from HG to microspline/XD-driver and centre-lock discs - they're all based in new patents that mean new licensing agreements for any aftermarket manufacturer and functionally serve to provide no real benefit to the rider. (I'll acknowledge that microspline serves some small purpose for the hulk sprinters but really, how many of us have routinely gouged out a freehub?) 

Each new round of 'updates' is a new round of patents which means that the aftermarket crowd are screwed and we all end up paying top dollar because the big players have made something 'new'.

Avatar
Secret_squirrel replied to IanEdward | 3 years ago
2 likes

Professional riders that have to "put up" with the 10k superbikes their teams and sponsors supply is very much a different use case to the average Joe shmoe Road.cc / 3 times a week rider.   Its refreshing that the consumer market is dictating what the Pro's ride for once.

You might be right about the markup though  4

Avatar
IanEdward replied to Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
3 likes

Ah, but how can you tell if the consumer market is being driven by what people want, or just what is being made available to them?

I WANT a nice, light, endurance geometry road bike, but the industry has decreed that I must therefore also want discs, which couldn't be further from the truth. So sales of disc brake bikes are in part simply due to a lack of any other option, which means we're all being forced into paying the generous mark-up that manufacturers appear to be awarding themselve for shoe-horning decades old MTB tech onto road bikes, without even bothering to try and improve it to address the issues Froome points out above (I too have ended up with warped and rubbing rotors after hot descents, in fact I've ended up with warped rotors just from completing '20 hard stops' as per bedding in instructions).

Avatar
Sriracha replied to IanEdward | 3 years ago
8 likes

As always, YMMV. My brother blew his tyres off coming down a long mountain pass (rim brakes, obviously). My own experience in the Lakes was of gripping the levers for all I's worth to control my speed on a long descent.

Whereas the discs on my new bike have been 99.9% trouble free over the last 18 months. I did just once have to align the rear caliper - loosen bolts, grip lever whilst retightening bolts, done.

I don't follow cycle sports, haven't a clue what the pros are up to, neither could I care. But I do like my disc brakes.

Avatar
OnYerBike replied to IanEdward | 3 years ago
0 likes

There are still quite a lot of rim brake bikes available at a wide range of price points and riding styles e.g. https://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/57-rim-brake-bikes-you-can-still-bu...

It seems to me that if rim brakes are becoming less widely available, it is because they don't sell as well. There's enough competition in the bike market that if enough customers preferred rim brakes over disc brakes, someone would sell that to them and make a healthy profit, while manufacturers trying to 'force' people to buy disc brake models would be left with a lot of unsold stock.

It's another question entirely whether average Joe Customer is actually making a sensible choice by wanting disc over rim brakes, but I don't doubt that is what is happening.

Avatar
Mungecrundle replied to IanEdward | 3 years ago
2 likes

I know what he means. Personally I'm not convinced that umbrellas are quite where they need to be yet.

Avatar
andystow replied to IanEdward | 3 years ago
1 like

IanEdward wrote:

I mean why does it cost soo much more to manufacture a disc brake calliper when arguably they are mechanically much simpler than a rim brake calliper?

I don't see how they're mechanically simpler. Tolerances are also much tighter.

You could make a passable rim brake in a weekend with sheet metal, spring wire, and hand tools (saw, files, vise, drills) which would be a lot harder with a disc caliper.

Avatar
IanEdward replied to andystow | 3 years ago
2 likes

Wow, seriously? By that argument then all I need to make a disc brake calliper is a lump of magnesium and a big drill! 

Avatar
slappop | 3 years ago
2 likes

Goodness, this is Froome in the last year or two that he could possibly win the TdF. Just give the man what he wants. I'm sure Factor's Chinese wholesaler has got a rim brake frame somewhere in their catalog...

Avatar
PRSboy replied to slappop | 3 years ago
4 likes

I suspect he will be asked to see the sponsorship manager after school!

Avatar
IanEdward replied to PRSboy | 3 years ago
2 likes

I'll bet team management probably dislike being forced to use discs as well, makes wheel changes etc. a lot more fraught!

Avatar
Secret_squirrel replied to IanEdward | 3 years ago
0 likes

Either my sarcasm detector is failing or you are serious?  If serious pray tell how it makes it harder?

Avatar
IanEdward replied to Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
3 likes

Haven't watched any grand tours recently? Even commentators pointing out how much longer (yes ok, in the context of racing anyway) a disc brake wheel change takes, and who was the pro last year left riding a punctured wheel for several kilometres in a desperate attempt to keep up because the neutral support didn't have a suitable disc wheel and his team car was miles behind?

Avatar
Miller replied to IanEdward | 3 years ago
0 likes

IanEdward wrote:

Haven't watched any grand tours recently? Even commentators pointing out how much longer (yes ok, in the context of racing anyway) a disc brake wheel change takes, and who was the pro last year left riding a punctured wheel for several kilometres in a desperate attempt to keep up because the neutral support didn't have a suitable disc wheel and his team car was miles behind?

Nah, not really buying this for a straight wheel change. When the UCI mandated retention tabs on front forks, that basically screwed fast wheel changes even for QR wheels. That neutral service now has to carry multiple different wheel types, that does cause issues. Without checking, I think the incident you're thinking of was last year's Tour stage over the Plateau des Glieres and the rider was Richie Porte. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Pages

Latest Comments