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Mark Cavendish slides across the finish line after Giro sprint crash chaos; Driver crashes into "cursed" Velorution bike shop AGAIN; Mr Loophole says plan to allow longer lorries "a really bad idea"; Genius congestion-tackling + more on the live blog

You're not the only one still reeling from the after-effects of the long weekend, but Adwitiya's on live blog duty again to help you find your feet...
10 May 2023, 17:02
Sliding across the finish line?! Cavendish holds on to handlebars to finish fifth while sliding on the ground

We all love a photo finish, but not sure this is what comes to my mind when I think of one.

While Groves held off stage two winner Jonathan Milan and 2019 Road World Champion Mads Pederson, Mark Cavendish grabbed everyone's attention with an acrobatic finish at the line that put him fifth.

I hope he's okay and gets a chance to actually complete one of his trademark sprints at any of the upcoming stages, but I can't deny, this is an instant classic.

10 May 2023, 15:48
Chaos! Rain-soaked Giro d'Italia stage five marred by crashes as Evenepoel, Cavendish, Roglič, Leknessund, Groves, all go down

I hate to ask it, but did I just jinx Mark Cavendish? I hope not.

As the heavens opened up in southern Italy, the Giro d'Italia stage five witnessed a number of crashes, with Evenepoel going down twice and Cavendish taking a really awkward tumble right before the finish line during the sprint.

Earlier in the day, Evenepoel got caught out by a crash caused by a loose dog. After sitting down on the ground for quite a bit, he managed to get up and get going. However, that was not to be the end of miseries for the world champion, who had passed on the race lead to Team DSM's Leknessund yesterday.

> Remco Evenepoel crashes after loose dog runs into Giro d'Italia peloton

With just 2km to go in the race, he got involved in another crash after entangling with a Trek-Segafredo rider. Although he didn't suffer any time loss in the general classification, it's definitely a day he would like to forget. Remco and Soudal Quick-Step can only hope the the Belgian is alright after today and can dust off this stage's setbacks and go again tomorrow.

Evenepoel crash Giro d'Italia stage 5 (GCN)

Evenepoel crashes for a second time today at Giro d'Italia stage 5 (GCN)


Mark Cavendish was also affected a few kilometres later, first clipping Team DSM's Alberto Dainese's rear wheel but somehow avoided falling, but in doing so, drifted to his right and into Filippo Fiorelli, who got pinned at the barriers. Cavendish then bounced again to his left, and this time had no way of saving himself going down, sliding on the ground up to the finish line.

Cavendish crashes but slides across finish line at Giro d'Italia stage 5 (GCN)

Another GC contender Jumbo Visma's Primož Roglič was also involved in a crash with 5km to go, with maglia rosa Leknessund also going down at the same time. Both were able to recover and not lose any time.

Amidst all this, I almost forgot that the 24-year-old Australian Kaden Groves took the stage victory. And guess what, the Alpecin-Deceuninck rider, who got mixed in a crash controversy in stage three of Giro, was caught up in the second Evenepoel crash himself as well! Ridiculously impressive stuff to get back up and go on to win the sprint!

Well that was some finish to today's stage. Hope everyone gets back on the team bus okay and good to race tomorrow.

10 May 2023, 14:46
It's pouring down at Giro d'Italia

It's been a tough day for the riders, with rainy and windy conditions making it seem less and less likely for a straightforward sprint finish at Salermo.

But if you can count on anyone to show up, it's the Tifosi.

Think Mark Cavendish's feeling at home with these conditions.

10 May 2023, 14:19
Increased sentence for hit-and-run driver who killed cyclist while speeding at 80mph in 30mph zone before torching car
Lee Beevers (West Yorkshire Police)

Lee Beevers was already banned from driving when he hit and killed cyclist Alan Tankard as the rider crossed the road on his bike wearing hi-vis clothing in West Yorkshire last year

> Increased sentence for hit-and-run driver who killed cyclist while speeding at 80mph in 30mph zone before torching car

10 May 2023, 13:38
Obituary: Tony Doyle, MBE, Britain's pioneering cycling World Track Champion
Tony Doyle

A cycling legend and one of the most successful Britons to take up the sport, Anthony 'Tony' Doyle MBE died from pancreatic cancer, at the age of 64, only four weeks after his diagnosis on 30 April, 2023. has an obituary for the beloved icon, courtesy of the Doyle family:

Tony’s illustrious racing career brought unmatched success to British track cycling in the 1980s-90s - twice World Pursuit Champion, four-time European Champion, pioneering British winner of 23 Six Days and many other titles. Competing in the days before cycling had wide media exposure, Tony Doyle is a legend in the cycling community.

Tony’s cycling journey started in 1972 at age 14, when he joined his local Clarence Wheelers cycling club. In 1979, he moved to Metz, France, and spent a season racing on the continent. Shortly after his arrival, Tony won his first race, the 130km Prix Pinchi at Bouligny, going on to win a further 11 races in his first exposure to continental racing.

In 1980, he claimed his position as Britain’s leading track cyclist by winning the 5km Individual Pursuit in the 1980 World Championships at Besancon and, extraordinarily for a rookie professional, his first World Championship.

Tony used his World Championship as a springboard to participate in his first professional Six Day, the Skol 6 in Wembley, describing it as a baptism of fire. Tony’s ambition was to become the first Briton to crack the continental Six Day circuit – a very few had won individual races, but nobody had yet mastered the Six Day, still less dominated the events as Tony was destined to do. He won his first Six Day in 1983 at Berlin, the first time a Brit had won a Six Day since 1972.

In the 1988-89 season, Doyle, with his teammate Danny Clark won five of the seven Six Days. Ultimately, Tony remains the most successful British Six Day competitor ever.

In the 1986 Championships, Tony was up against his long-standing rival Hans Henrik Oersted, who had beaten him in the previous two years’ finals. By the 4km mark, with 1km to go, Oersted had a lead of two seconds, and it seemed like the race was over. However, Tony put in one of the sport’s greatest ever counter-attacks and completed the final kilometre in just 1 minute 5.91 seconds. Oersted could not respond, and Tony Doyle had become World Champion once again, winning by a margin of 1.946 seconds.

The whole of British Cycling was jubilant, at a time when there wasn’t much success to cheer on the track.

In November 1989, Tony suffered a traumatic injury whilst racing at the Munich Six Day. He fell head-first and remained in a coma for eight days, with his shoulder broken in five places and his elbow broken in two. It was predicted that he would be unable ever to return to professional racing. He had to relearn the most basic tasks, including how to walk and eat.

However, within just three and a half months, he was back on the road and went on to win the 1990 Munich Six Day. He raced for a further four years, eventually retiring due to a back injury sustained at the Zurich Six Day in 1994.

Awarded an MBE in 1989 for services to cycling, Tony mentored and supported many younger riders, and visited countless schools to encourage the children into cycling as a pastime and competitively. He was a technical innovator, being the first to use for example the solid wheel, the wind tunnel, and the application of continuous meticulous tiny improvements to all aspects of equipment and training to improve performance.

After retiring, Tony later served as president of British Cycling, was the founding director of the Tour of Britain and played a significant role in sports promotion and media.

Anthony is survived by his partner Adriana Alessi, his children George, Gemma and James and their mother Anne.

10 May 2023, 12:41
Genius solution for getting rid of traffic congestion

A few brilliant, nuanced and data-backed solutions have been proposed in the Facebook group "Brighton and Hove against ULEZ and LTNs".

These include:

  • Free-flowing traffic
  • Higher speed limit
  • Convenient free car parking space
  • No pedestrian crossings or traffic lights
  • Cycle lanes away from roads
  • 30-60 mile trips
10 May 2023, 12:20
Remco Evenepoel crashes after loose dog runs into Giro d'Italia peloton
Remco Giro crash (GCN/Eurosport)

I had just switched on the Giro when this happened...

A massive heart-in-mouth moment for Remco Evenepoel and Soudal Quick-Step, as an awfully cute dog unfortunately made its way onto the track, forcing one of the world champion's teammates to hit the deck first which led to Evenepoel crashing as well.

> Remco Evenepoel crashes after loose dog runs into Giro d'Italia peloton

10 May 2023, 11:45
The end is nigh: Mr Loophole defends cyclists, calls allowing longer lorries on UK roads "a really bad idea"

He is back with his armchair expert analysis of road safety in Great Britain, and this time he said... wait, I wasn't suppposed to agree with him.

When Nick Freeman, the man known as Mr Loophole for securing acquittals for celebrity clients charged with motoring offences (Beckham, Lampard, and Clarkson), tweeted about the UK Government's decision to allow "longer and more hazardous" lorries on roads putting cyclists' and pedestrians' lives in danger, I thought I was getting duped by one of those fake parody accounts.

But I couldn't help but agree with everything Loophole's said, and that's making me feel a bit uneasy.

Additional risk to other road users? 100 per cent. Slow moving and adding to congestion? Definitely. More large lorries so heavier carbon footprint? Spot on. Why not use freight trains instead? Hallelujah! 

> Cycling UK criticises imminent Department for Transport plan for "longer and more hazardous lorries" on Britain's roads

But now that I think (with my tinfoil hat on), could this mean a change in direction for Freeman who's trying to get rid of bad blood between himself and cyclists? In January this year, he shocked everyone at by suggesting motorists make it their New Year's resolution to give cyclists more space when overtaking.

I'll still hold out judgement, because in the past, he's made comments claiming that cyclists are "abusing" rules on riding two abreast, ranted about "cycling with impunity" and applauded police action against "vigilante cyclists" filming law-breaking drivers.

10 May 2023, 10:59
Is Velorution cursed? Driver crashes into unfortunate London cycle shop once again
Velorution Marylebone crash

First a bus, now a car smashing into a bike shop? I can't believe it. 

In what can only be described as a remarkable concurrence of events, a car driver has crashed into the London bike shop Velorution in Marylebone. It comes just six weeks after a separate incident in which a TfL bus crashed into another Velorution shop in Chelsea.

> Rudie Can’t Steer? TfL double-decker bus crashes into London bike shop with driver injured

It's unclear why the driver of the car crashed into the shop after turning right onto Riding House Street shortly after 6 am this morning. Video footage from inside the shop shows the driver taking the turn normally, before speeding up and becoming lodged in the scaffolding of the building. Riding House Street remains closed whilst the scaffolding of the building is assessed for damage.

Jonathan Cole, the owner of Velorution joked, "I'm starting to think one of our competitors is to blame!". 

The shop is managed by Sean Hayhow, who was also in the Chelsea store at the time of that incident. "I'm starting to think I’m cursed," quipped Sean over WhatsApp this morning.

Cole continued, "On a serious note, I’m glad the shop was closed and no one was in it at the time of the event. We’re assisting emergency services and property management with their enquiries.

"It’s obviously extremely disappointing to have to close, at least for this morning. We’re entering our busiest time of the year and our unique cafe trike outside the shop does excellent business throughout the day. We’re doing everything we can to be open as soon as possible."

Velorution is a specialist in urban, folding and electric bikes, and has four stores in London. Two down, two to go?

10 May 2023, 10:12
It's the silly rebrand season! Team DSM to be rebranded as DSM-Firmenich by Tour de France
Team DSM (by Zac Williams/

Team DSM (by Zac Williams/

While we await summer to come knocking on our doors, I can get behind the silly rebrand season.

Days after we reported that Trek-Segafredo is to become Lidl-Trek from the Tour de France onwards, we are hearing that Team DSM are also set for a new persona just in time for the Grand Tour.

The Dutch team, whose 23-year-old rider Andreas Leknessund made headlines yesterday taking the pink jersey away from Evenepoel at the Giro d'Italia, has had its title sponsor DSM merge with the Swiss company Firmenich and could be renamed as "Team DSM-Firmenich" by mid-June, according to Radio Cycling.

> Dramatic stage four at Giro d'Italia sees 23-year-old Leknessund take the pink jersey away from Evenepoel as Paret-Peintre wins

A quick Wikipedia search told me that Firmenich SA is a private Swiss company in the fragrance and flavour business (come on, I'm not going to act like I knew that).

While not as exciting as having my second-favourite grocery store sponsor a UCI team personally, I'm all ready and eager to see how the new jerseys look. Wonder if Firmenich can pour money into making a kit that's still fragrant after my two hours on the bike.

10 May 2023, 09:35
Cycling infrastructure genius

A bike parking? Prop for the next Danny MacAskill video? Portal to another dimension (hopefully, with better cycling infrastructure)? I can't decide...

I think this was my favourite reply

10 May 2023, 08:26
Longer lorries allowed on UK's roads by the Government: Will it make cycling and walking conditions worse?

The UK Government has announced new laws today to permit longer semi-trailer combinations up to 18.55 metres on British roads – 2.05 metres longer than standard size.

Let's unpack this. First, I'll leave you all to discuss this bizarre press release.

UK Govt to allow longer lorries

Second, the “trial” for these longer lorries has been running since 2013 with over 3000 already on the road from 300 companies.

And third, freight trains exist! Campaign for Better Transport have in the past called them "an efficient, safe and clean alternative, with just one freight train capable of removing up to 129 lorries from our roads".

Official figures show that HGVs accounted for only 3.4 per cent of traffic - but were involved in 15.5 per cent of cyclist and 11 per cent of pedestrian deaths.

As you'd expect, this decision has left many, including those who value their safety on roads scratching their heads.

Cycling UK has raised fears it "could cost lives of pedestrians and cyclists", and rightly pointed out: "At a time when funding for infrastructure to keep people cycling and walking safer has been cut, it's alarming that longer and more hazardous lorries could now be allowed to share the road with people cycling and walking."

You might remember this tweet from a Swedish researcher who did a test on the safety of cyclists when being passed by extra-long lorries and HGVs from a couple weeks ago.

> “It’s problematic to have a value like that”: Researcher calls for better guidelines than “just 1.5 metres” for passing cyclists

What do you think? Could it make cycling and walking on UK roads even more unsafe than it already is?

Here's what some other people think...

We'll be reporting more on this news shortly...

10 May 2023, 08:13
Council says it will conduct a further audit for World Championship route's pothole-repaired roads which left cyclist with a broken saddle

Yesterday morning, Alan Myles, perhaps inspired by the now moustache-toting Wout van Aert, set off to do a recon of the UCI World Championship route in Scotland.

> "Very poor state": Riding at race speeds on Scotland's bumpy and uneven World Championship route led to cyclist snapping his saddle

But as it turned out, riding at race speeds may not be advisable on a (checks notes) race route, as the bumpy and even Campsie Road in Lennoxtown near Glasgow, which has been confirmed to feature in the Championships later this August, left him with a snapped rail on the saddle and hoping to dear God that the other rail holds on for the 16 miles till home.

He told "The council re-laid the road just round the corner so it looks highly unlikely this bit will get done before the championships as they would have done it at the same time (the road had to be closed for it)."

We had reached out to the East Dunbartonshire Council asking whether they would be resurfacing the road or not, and their reply is... vague. 

Ann Davie, Depute Chief Executive, East Dunbartonshire Council told "We have conducted an initial route audit and are in regular discussion with the UCI World Cycling Championship event organisers. A further route audit will be conducted imminently. The results of this will be discussed with the organisers and actions and timescales will be agreed.”

> Wout van Aert takes time trial bike to Scotland for World Championships recon —then rides an OVO bike on Glasgow’s “risky” streets

I doubt the UCI will be very pleased.

10 May 2023, 08:06
Extremely close call for Jay Vine at Giro d'Italia after almost getting taken out by his own team car

It could have all gone wrong for UAE Team Emirates and Jay Vine at the stage four of Giro d'Italia.

"Well, that nearly ended in tears! That will have woken him up if nothing had before," said the commentator.

Watching this again today morning surely did wake me up (either that, or this second cup of coffee next to me).

Adwitiya joined in 2023 as a news writer after completing his masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He also covers local and national politics for Voice Wales, and sometimes writes about science, tech and the environment. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him riding his bike on the scenic routes, fighting his urge to stop pedalling and click photographs (apparently not because he's bonking).

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eburtthebike | 4642 posts | 4 months ago
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A few brilliant, nuanced and data-backed solutions have been proposed in the Facebook group "Brighton and Hove against ULEZ and LTNs".

These include:

Free-flowing traffic
Higher speed limit
Convenient free car parking space
No pedestrian crossings or traffic lights
Cycle lanes away from roads
30-60 mile trips

Glad to see you included the tongue-in-cheek "data-backed solutions" in that.

Either those solutions were posted by an awesome mickey taker, or someone so deluded they should be in the department for cars.

Rendel Harris | 5425 posts | 4 months ago

(moved to today's news thread)

mitsky | 113 posts | 4 months ago

"Driver crashes into unfortunate London cycle shop once again"

Unless it was the same driver, shouldn't this be:

"Another driver crashes into unfortunate London cycle shop"


Rendel Harris replied to mitsky | 5425 posts | 4 months ago

mitsky wrote:

"Driver crashes into unfortunate London cycle shop once again"

Unless it was the same driver, shouldn't this be:

"Another driver crashes into unfortunate London cycle shop"


yes It's like the old joke, a person gets mugged in London every three minutes, and frankly he's fed up with it.

NOtotheEU | 819 posts | 4 months ago

Sorry to sound like Nigel (I know, not for the first time) but there aren't too many big trucks on the road, there are just the right amount to move all the stuff we buy.

It's like car drivers moaning about the traffic completely unaware that they are the traffic.

Large trucks going through places that are inappropriate or dangerous is a different matter of course but even forcing the use of smaller vehicles just means more of them and we swap one evil for another.

marmotte27 replied to NOtotheEU | 565 posts | 4 months ago
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NOtotheEU wrote:

Sorry to sound like Nigel (I know, not for the first time) there aren't too many big trucks on the road, there are just the right amount to move all the stuff we buy.

Well maybe no surprise then that you sound as lazy and obnoxiuos as Nigel?

There are too many trucks because our whole model is based on minimizing costs and offload as much as possible of those left on the general public, in order to maximize profits, for the few.
Hence the running down of rail services, hence just-in-time delivries, hence globalization of manufacture that sees products shipped around the world many times until they reach their final destination.

And about the amount of stuff we're made to buy over and above what we really need, that's also due to that same model of making as much profit as possible to the detriment of everything else.

NOtotheEU replied to marmotte27 | 819 posts | 4 months ago

Apart from the unnecessary rudeness I agree with everything you say. But that doesn't change the fact that products aren't made because there are a lot of empty trucks lying around, trucks are used to move products that have already been made or grown and you and I buy them. We are all responsible for them being there and the more stuff we buy the more trucks there will be.

Hirsute | 8059 posts | 4 months ago

"No hint of irony here in the term 'dumped' being used"


Awavey replied to Hirsute | 3782 posts | 4 months ago

I'm just impressed they used "plethora" in a sentence  3

Mungecrundle | 3022 posts | 4 months ago

Someone should do the decent thing and send that cycle lane picture to JRM so that he can showcase it as evidence of cyclists not availing themselves of the expensive infrastructure being provided for their use.

NickSprink | 63 posts | 4 months ago
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Re Velorution - shout out to the scaffolders, didnt collapse after that, great job well done

Oldfatgit | 745 posts | 4 months ago

Longer trucks.

I remember the doom and gloom warnings when we went from 40ft to 45ft.
And that doom and gloom hasn't really materialised ... well, not from the heavy haulage side of things.

The issue with a 61ft trailer is where it is used.
This trailer length is fine for moving goods from an RDC to another RDC or to an LDC, due to the additional pallet space available.
Most RDC/ LDC are on the outskirts of big towns and cities (think the distribution hubs at Crick, Wakefield, Grangemouth, Haydock), and are largely served by motorway/ primary trunk roads.
These trailer lengths are impractical and almost impossible to maneuver around towns and cities (speaking as someone that used to take a 45fter in to Central London).
Drawbar units are often upto 69ft long, and these are ideal for moving freight into cities and towns.
I regularly used to have to run 75ft, non-devisable steel from Scunthorpe to Manchester ... and that never went over Woodhead, always the M62. Trailer of that length was fine as it was being used on roads designed to take large vehicles.

The problem with large vehicles is education... and not just of the driver, but of other road users. These vehicles will need more swing room... and you'll be surprised at how many car drivers will play chicken with an artic - although as cyclists, you probably won't be.

Longer trailers are unlikely to be an issue, provided they are used in areas that they are suitable.

Awavey replied to Oldfatgit | 3782 posts | 4 months ago
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I agree, assuming the logistics hauliers are sensible and just using them as point to point hub deliveries on the road trunk network, absolutely the largest volume you can shift in one movement is the cheapest most efficient, its exactly the same with air freight, and it won't have an impact on the majority of cyclists. These extended trucks aren't going to be delivering to villages or small towns because its actually less efficient to ship empty air around for them.

IanMK replied to Oldfatgit | 947 posts | 4 months ago

I would agree in principle but what should/would happen if the motorway is closed and a diversion put in place?

John G replied to Oldfatgit | 71 posts | 4 months ago

The irony is, all the locations quoted for distribution hubs at Crick, Wakefield, Grangemouth, Haydock are connected by electrified railways.  One train with one driver of e.g. 30 container-carrying wagons (assuming 2 containers per wagon) can take a significant quantity of freight off our overcrowded roads. 

The traffic reports featuring numerous times daily on national radio are a testament to too much traffic being on the roads - it doesn't take much for somewhere to grind to a halt. It's the proverbial quart being squeezed into a pint pot.

I appreciate it's all about cost, razor thin margins and capacity of the networks we have, there has to be a better solution compared to where we are now.


NOtotheEU replied to John G | 819 posts | 4 months ago

My employer and one of our hauliers has been part of this test and they have been running from Birmingham to Milton Keynes and back on a specified route with regular and double deck trailers. I haven't noticed any issues when I've been in the yard on a Fork lift around them and the few times they have passed me on a dual carriageway while cycling I didn't have any problems. Of course I might feel differently if I met one on a country lane or busy inner city junction.

kinderje | 108 posts | 4 months ago
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But, but but can we blame the scaffolding poles when they had hi-viz covers on.

Aaaah, no lights!!!!

Owd Big 'Ead | 334 posts | 4 months ago



Where's the car crash?

It's gone into the scaffolding, not the shop.

Less of the sensationalism please?

open_roads | 241 posts | 4 months ago

I'm massively opposed to longer lorries but the calls for more freight-on-rail ignore the reality.

As long as unions can grind the rail network to a halt for days / weeks at a time, commercial freight will never move from road to rail.

Given the complexity of modern supply chains and reduction in warehousing / inventory, most companies simply can't trust rail enough to rely in it for their logistics transport.

Wales56 replied to open_roads | 22 posts | 4 months ago

Part of the Union - and, weak excuses 


brooksby replied to open_roads | 12197 posts | 4 months ago

open_roads wrote:

As long as unions can grind the rail network to a halt for days / weeks at a time, commercial freight will never move from road to rail.

You'll probably find many lorry drivers wish they had the power of a union behind them to improve their pay'n'conditions...

Oldfatgit replied to brooksby | 745 posts | 4 months ago
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Damn right.

Back in the 90s, I'd have been as happy as Larry. Certainly wouldn't have had to work 80-90 hours a week, for £5.50per hour

hawkinspeter replied to open_roads | 12164 posts | 4 months ago

open_roads wrote:

... most companies simply can't exploit rail-workers enough to rely on it for their logistics transport.


open_roads replied to hawkinspeter | 241 posts | 4 months ago

Don't shoot the messenger.

This is just the reality of supply chain planning - for overland movements no company will permanently move their regular freight lanes to rail when there's a perpetual risk of protracted industrial action.

hawkinspeter replied to open_roads | 12164 posts | 4 months ago

open_roads wrote:

Don't shoot the messenger.

This is just the reality of supply chain planning - for overland movements no company will permanently move their regular freight lanes to rail when there's a perpetual risk of protracted industrial action.

Yeah, but it's easier to shoot the messenger as they're standing right in front of you.

Industrial action is usually the result of bosses getting overly greedy and exploiting the workers, so they can either choose to not exploit them so much or switch over to using a heavily exploited workforce that have no choice to strike.

Rich_cb replied to hawkinspeter | 3671 posts | 4 months ago

Or it's a result of greedy union members exploiting their monopoly.

Hopefully the RMT etc will go the way of the print unions soon enough.

Simon E replied to Rich_cb | 5251 posts | 4 months ago

Rich_cb wrote:

Hopefully the RMT etc will go the way of the print unions soon enough.

Too right. We can't have those kinds of people earning a decent wage or asking for more money or better conditions!

RMT members are network rail staff who work on the tracks, station staff, guards, cleaners etc. Most earn between £18k-34k.


Three years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise, two years ago we accepted a 0% pay rise.

But this year they came to us with a 0% pay rise plus over 2500 redundancies, changes to terms and conditions.

An increase from 28 weeks of nights to 39 weeks of nights. An increase from 32 weekends worked to 39 weekends worked.

Currently for a night shift we get time and a quarter, for a weekend turn we get time and a half.

They wish to cut both of these to time and a tenth. So that’s a 15% pay cut on every night shift and a 40% pay cut on every weekend turn.

Would you be prepared to accept that?

Rich_cb replied to Simon E | 3671 posts | 4 months ago

Compare and contrast the pay and conditions of the rail unions with almost any other occupation.

For what they do, they're ridiculously overpaid with a whole bunch of archaic working practices thrown in for good measure.

This leads directly to billions of pounds of extra costs which are paid for by taxpayers.

It's hardly a surprise that redundancies are being proposed when you consider quite how much of the workload has been automated. Ticket barriers, ticket offices etc.

Unless we modernise working practices on the railways we'll never get people out of their cars. The rail unions are just rent seeking parasites.

wycombewheeler replied to Rich_cb | 4053 posts | 4 months ago

Rich_cb wrote:

Or it's a result of greedy union members exploiting their monopoly. Hopefully the RMT etc will go the way of the print unions soon enough.

monopoly employers require a monopoly workforce to prevent exploitation, if you work in retail or manufacturing or accountancy or any number of roles in the private sector and you feel you are being underpaid you can look around for any number of alternative employers who will pay more.

When you work for network rail, there are not the range of employers available competing for workers.

I'd be interested to see an analysis of inflation in rail fares over the last 20 years against inflation in rail workers wages. I think that might reveal where the greed and exploitation of monopoly in the system really lies.

SimoninSpalding replied to open_roads | 593 posts | 4 months ago

The reality that is ignored by the call for more rail freight is that we don't have rail infrastructure to take it. Railfreight is slow (passenger trains have priority so they are constantly stopping and waiting for their turn), and most users of goods don't have a railway to their premises so you still end up with HGVs taking goods on the road.


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