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Special Forces ‘leaked’ secret locations to Putin using Strava; “I had zero control”: Team car driver crashes at Tour of Britain; Roglič crashes; Fair Fuel UK founder blasts “sad” road.cc story; Not your usual letter to the editor + more on the live blog

It’s Tuesday, we’ve got a new Prime Minister, and Ryan Mallon’s here with another helping of the live blog. What could possibly go wrong?
  • by Ryan Mallon
Tue, Sep 06, 2022 07:55
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SUMMARY

  • “Howard needs to work on his comprehension skills”: Fair Fuel UK founder blasts “sad” road.cc story… and gets promptly ridiculed by cyclists
  • If it ain’t on Strava: Special Forces soldiers may have leaked secret locations to Putin – by sharing their cycling and running routes
  • Not your usual local paper letter about cycling: Plymouth resident says government should encourage cycling to help tackle fuel poverty
  • Three temporary cycling lanes to be made permanent, says Transport for London
  • Near Miss of the Day, Tour of Britain convoy edition: Team manager crashes car after tyre blowout
  • More cooking with the pros
  • Chiswick High Road cycle lane ‘exceeding expectations’ – despite anti-bike lane councillor’s predictions
  • I see what you did there, Tour of Britain admin person
  • British Cycling announces squad for UCI road worlds in Wollongong
  • SUNderland? More grisly conditions at the Tour of Britain
  • Poll: Will Remco win the Vuelta?
  • Kamiel Bonneu wins Tour of Britain stage after nail biting finale – but Perry misses out on race lead
  • Meanwhile, at the Vuelta…
  • Ouch
  • “When you can’t wait any longer for the cyclocross season to start”
  • “We should be claiming a (protected) space on the road, not allowing ourselves to be surreptitiously transformed into a type of pedestrian”: road.cc reader on cycle lanes
  • Drama at the Vuelta – Roglič attacks then crashes heavily on uphill finish, as Evenepoel punctures inside 3km
  • Half of world’s population thinks Evenepoel will win Vuelta
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6 September 2022, 07:55

“Howard needs to work on his comprehension skills”: Fair Fuel UK founder blasts “sad” road.cc story… and gets promptly ridiculed by cyclists

It’s sad @roadcc know only 1 way to get their way. Complain at honest people who believe cyclists should adhere to the rules of the road & ignore fact. Drivers are fed up with a renegade bunch of cyclists who ruin it for all road users @David_Churchill https://t.co/OP7teW7NcT

— Howard Cox (@HowardCCox) September 5, 2022

Does this mean I’m famous now?

Yesterday evening, everyone’s favourite motoring mouthpiece Howard Cox, founder of the esteemed pro-car lobby group Fair Fuel UK (once again, Laura K, I’m being sarcastic), tweeted his frustration concerning a road.cc story from the weekend.

Written by yours truly (so you know it’s good stuff), the article reported on Cycling UK’s complaint to press watchdog IPSO over what the charity described as a “misleading and unreliable” MailOnline piece which suggested that there is wide public support for tougher cycling regulations such as mandatory registration plates for bikes.

> Mail’s cycling number plates poll story “misleading and unreliable”, says Cycling UK

So, why’s Howard getting all gammony about that, I hear you cry?

Well, because the online survey of 1,500 people used by the Mail to determine that the majority of drivers on the road were categorically in favour of cycling number plates was conducted by none other than, you guessed it, Fair Fuel UK.

As the poll was shared widely by Cox and his band of merry men, Cycling UK said that “it is more than likely that poll respondents also support the views of Fair Fuel UK meaning results may be affected by self-selection bias” and therefore can’t be said to represent all drivers.

> “Lunatic Highway Code” encourages road rage and gives cyclists carte blanche, Fair Fuel UK boss claims

Out on Highway 61, poor Howard wasn’t too happy that a cycling charity complained to the press regulator about a potentially misleading Daily Mail article, and directed his anger towards the obvious culprit: the messenger.

“It’s sad road.cc know only one way to get their way,” Mr Cox tweeted yesterday, in what can only be described as a Trumpian style. Sad!

He continued: “Complain at honest people who believe cyclists should adhere to the rules of the road and ignore fact. Drivers are fed up with a renegade bunch of cyclists who ruin it for all road users.”

The Fair Fuel UK head honcho also tagged his apparent partner-in-poll-related-news-stories, the Mail’s Transport Editor David Churchill, as part of his rant (Churchill, as of this morning, is yet to publicly respond).

Howard, it must be said, didn’t quite get the reception he might have hoped for with his tweet.

Some users were quick to refute Cox’s accusation that “renegade” cyclists are at fault for the dangers on our roads:

I drive a lot. I’m fed up with crap drivers.
Cyclists – they’re fine. They’re not going to tailgate me aggressively for doing the limit in a residential area. They don’t threaten me with 2 tonnes of metal. And they don’t hog the middle lane on motorways.
Drivers are the problem.

— Rich Warner (@rgwarner) September 5, 2022

Have you ever stood at a set of traffic lights and counted the number of drivers not wearing their seat belts?

As with the most drivers, most cyclists are law abiding… We just want to be allowed to cycle in safety…

— Tim Schofield 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇬🇧 🇪🇺 (@chiefoldmist) September 5, 2022

They weren’t complaining at honest people, they were complaining about dishonest ones.

— Pudsey Pedaller (@PudseyPedaller) September 5, 2022

Shame @HowardCCox only knows one way to (try and) get his way – be dishonest

— rdekanter (@rjdekanter) September 5, 2022

Others, however, pointedly advised Howard to actually *read* the articles he chooses to publicly criticise:

They didn’t complain, they’re reporting on a complaint that was made, helps to criticise if you read what you want to criticise first

— ReCyclingDave (@cycling_dave) September 5, 2022

Is FairFuel a British Polling Council member, Howard? CUK (not rCC) complained on the basis that publishing an unscientific, self-selecting and unweighted survey is misleading. I haven’t seen this poll but having seen previous efforts they’re full of loaded and leading questions.

— Black Country Ste 🇺🇦 (@CCSteV) September 5, 2022

Seems a fair criticism of any poll on #twitter as not representing the wider population.
As for @MailOnline Wikipedia has it similar to RT but a less reliable source than China Daily.

— EastbourneEcoTransport (@EcoTransportEB) September 5, 2022

Either he’s not read the article he’s posting, or Howard needs to work on his comprehension skills… https://t.co/ShY3QSm61I

— Cycling in London (@Cycling_In_LDN) September 5, 2022

That or he’s purposely missing the point of the article to push his anti cycling point, but that doesn’t sound like him…

— Cycling in London (@Cycling_In_LDN) September 5, 2022

Nope, doesn’t sound like him at all.

Right, I’m off to the framers this morning…

6 September 2022, 07:55

If it ain’t on Strava: Special Forces soldiers may have leaked secret locations to Putin – by sharing their cycling and running routes

I have a confession to make: I’ve never used Strava.

I was irrevocably put off the idea in its infancy, after a post-race group recovery ride was ruined by two or three riders – who didn’t take part in the race, I’ll add – deciding to sprint up every hill home, for what I perceived at the time to be no reason at all (and still do, in fact). But I digress…

> Why all cyclists should take a break from Strava and ride unplugged 

Anyway, perhaps members of the military need to follow my example, and that of Steve Thomas, by giving up on the app, as it has once again made the headlines – for potentially revealing secret locations to Russia.

The Sun reports that SAS and SBS members “have risked leaking the locations of secret military bases to Putin” by sharing their cycling and running routes on Strava.

A number of routes have allegedly been recorded around the perimeters of highly classified training sites in Eastern Europe, as well as in the Middle East and bases in Hereford and Poole.

According to the paper, intelligence has warned that Russian GRU spies are attempting to target the Special Forces by infiltrating their phone data, including their locations, movements and private images, through Strava.

While the Ministry of Defence has refused to comment, a defence source told the Sun: “This information is viewable to anyone. Quite frankly, it’s horrifying. If someone wanted to do something sinister with this information, then it would be very easy to do.”

> Strava accused of giving away military secrets through its Global Heatmaps

This isn’t the first time that Strava’s privacy settings have come under the spotlight, especially when it comes to potentially giving away military secrets.

In 2018, the Guardian reported that the popularity of the app among military personnel – who through their training are fitter than the average person with many also taking part in sport in their free time – had raised security concerns following the revelation that details of military bases, including what some believed to be secret sites, were being made public through Strava’s Global Heatmaps feature.

> Strava used to spy on Israeli military – by setting up fake segments in army bases and intelligence agencies

In June, we reported on the blog that an anonymous Strava user, who according to their profile hails from Boston, Massachusetts, had set up a number of fake segments across various military establishments in Israel, including those belonging to the country’s intelligence agencies and highly secure bases assumed to be linked with Israel’s nuclear programme.

The user – whose affiliation has yet to be uncovered – could then keep tabs on members of the Israeli military, tracking their movements as they exercised in secret bases in Israel and around the world.

The fake segment approach allowed the spies to bypass Strava’s privacy settings: while profiles can be made available only to followers, unless users set each individual activity to be actively secured, their profile picture, first name and initial will appear on segments they have covered.

> Strava’s new Edit Map Visibility provides greater privacy control 

In a statement at the time, Strava said: “We take matters of privacy very seriously and have been made aware by an Israeli group, FakeReporter, of a segment issue regarding a specific user account and have taken the necessary steps to remedy this situation.

“We provide readily accessible information regarding how information is shared on Strava, and give every athlete the ability to make their own privacy selections. For more information on all of our privacy controls, please visit our privacy centre as we recommend that all athletes take the time to ensure their selections in Strava represent their intended experience.”

6 September 2022, 07:55

Not your usual local paper letter about cycling: Plymouth resident says government should encourage cycling to help tackle fuel poverty

We love a good letter to the editor over here on the live blog. Especially when it’s about cycling and addressed to the editor of a local newspaper (though we do enjoy our own angry ‘fan’ mail from time to time).

For one thing, they allow us to crack out our anti-cycling bingo cards, like when Brighton resident Phil Reay told the Argus in January 2021 that it was “time to crack down on cyclists” and that we should all be “taxed, insured and have number plates”.

A true visionary, Mr Reay.

> Anti-cycling rant to local newspaper sabotaged by sensible comments

His letter continued: “I know some cyclists have insurance (probably about two percent) but if they hit something, it is what they hit that has to pay and surprise, surprise, it isn’t always what they hit that is at fault.

“They use the roads and expect cycle lanes to be provided so, like other road users, they should pay tax, just like other vehicles. It doesn’t have to be a lot and I would suggest something in the region of £10 would be sufficient.

“There is no way of identifying them if they break the law.”

Line!

Or when a jeweller blamed his shop closing after 42 years on, yep that’s right, the pesky cycle lane outside.

“I always thought I’d be carried out of here in a wooden box but the day they started putting the bollards down I said, ‘that’s it’, and we closed,” he told Extra.ie in May, presumably while taking a long, melancholy drag of his cigarette and staring into the middle distance.

However, today’s featured local letter about cycling, you’ll be pleased to hear, takes a rather different line than its illustrious, red-faced predecessors.

> Cyclists WON’T need number plates — Grant Shapps again insists “we’re not going to do number plates”

Writing to the Plymouth Herald – which, for some reason, has insisted on implying that bike number plates could still happen, despite Grant Shapps’ belated declaration that they’re off the table – Cathy Slaughter argued that the government should make cycling safer for everyone to help tackle the current cost-of-living crisis.

She writes:

Speed limits for cyclists seems like an issue being introduced to distract. Why not just stick to existing limits for cars?

The risks from people on bikes are tiny compared with the risks from motor vehicles, because the weight difference is massive. Yes, we need to protect pedestrians, but let’s do that simply and sensibly. Keeping bikes off pavements would be a good start and having fewer cars on the roads, so it is safer for bikes, is a great next step.

What really concerns me is the proposal to require number plates and insurance for people on bikes. That’s ridiculous! Such restrictions on cyclists will lead to a dramatic reduction in people prepared to cycle when we need more.

It would mean more journeys by cars, leading to more serious injuries and deaths; 99 percent of current road deaths involve motor vehicles. It would also cause more pollution, more carbon dioxide emissions and a less healthy population. Do we want higher costs and more work for the NHS? The net loss to society would be massive, and for what? It makes no sense when the Government is funding a pilot scheme to prescribe cycling to improve mental and physical health.

With the cost-of-living crisis, cycling is a great way of supporting those in fuel poverty. We need cycling to be safe, so that means better provision for people wanting to get to work, school or the shops by bike. It is a key part of our transition to net zero. It is to be welcomed and encouraged.

Now that all seems a bit sensible for a local paper, Cathy. What about road tax? And lycra? And the Tour de bleedin’ France?

6 September 2022, 07:55

Three temporary cycling lanes to be made permanent, says Transport for London

Three temporary roads schemes in London, introduced during the pandemic to make cycling and walking safer in the capital, will be made permanent, says Transport for London (TfL) after data collected during the recent trial period showed that the measures have boosted cycling by more than 25 percent – without negatively impacting motor traffic.

Following public consultations, TfL have confirmed that the protected cycle lane on Tooley Street in Southwark (installed to make it easier for people to travel between existing cycle routes in the area, including on London Bridge and towards Greenwich along Cycleway 4), the new sections of protected bike lane and bus lane on Cycleway 8 between Chelsea Bridge and Wandsworth town centre, and the 24-hour bus lanes on Cycleway 7 between Elephant & Castle and Oval, will all be retained.

According to TfL, data collected during the schemes’ experimental period has demonstrated that the changes have been successful in increasing the number of people cycling.

On Tooley Street and along Cycleway 8, the number of cyclists increased by more then 25 percent since the schemes were implemented.

More than 9,500 people on an average weekday cycle along some sections of CS7, putting it in the top five percent of routes in London, according to TfL, “with the greatest potential for people to cycle”.

> Cycling levels dropped in England because “short-sighted councils pulled out protected lanes”

Before Howard Cox comes along to complain, the data also shows that the measures have not delayed motor traffic, with very little change occurring to the road network – and the time spent queuing in cars – since the cycle lanes were introduced.

On Tooley Street, vehicle numbers have fallen by a third, making the area – as TfL says – “more pleasant for people visiting”, while bus journey times westbound are now quicker and more reliable.

“We’ve seen a huge rise in walking and cycling over the past two years as more and more Londoners enjoy using sustainable ways to get around the capital,” says Will Norman, London’s Walking and Cycling Commissioner.

“To maintain this success, we are continuing to make our roads safer as we build a better London for everyone. I’m delighted that these cycle schemes have been made permanent, enabling even more Londoners to choose greener, cleaner and healthier modes of transport.”

A consultation has also been launched to allow locals to have their say on another of the schemes introduced during lockdown between Clapham Common and Oval.

TfL says that the scheme has shown peaks of more than 870 people per hour cycling southbound on the corridor with highs of nearly 3,500 people cycling in both directions each day. The consultation remains open until 9 October.

6 September 2022, 07:55

Near Miss of the Day, Tour of Britain convoy edition: Team manager crashes car after tyre blowout

Professional cycling is a sport riddled with contradictions, especially when compared to its leisurely or travel-oriented counterpart.

For example, while encouraging people to ride their bikes has long been viewed as key to tackling the climate crisis, pro cycling’s environmental record is far from impressive, to say the least.

> “They’re protesting about a good thing”: Tour de France riders, organisers and journalists react to climate protest

It’s also ironic that, while leisure and commuter cyclists (such as those who read road.cc) are at the forefront of the campaign to encourage motorists to drive more safely, some of the hairiest examples of driving can be found in the long, snaking, jostling convoy of vehicles at bike races.

That certainly proved the case during Sunday’s sodden opening stage of the Tour of Britain in Aberdeenshire, when the driver of one team car managed to just about avoid a spectacular crash following a tyre blowout on a fast, wet descent.

Ever wanted to win a trip in a team car at the Tour of Britain??? I am not entering one of those competitions again 😂 I don’t believe anyone was hurt in this.

Coming in hot while doing something else 🥴 pic.twitter.com/TmoxAMvtnk

— Alistair Rutherford (@mralibongo) September 6, 2022

As you can see from the frankly terrifying video above, Steve Lampier, the team manager of the Cornwall-based UCI Continental squad Saint Piran, managed to somehow squeeze between the Bardiani-CSF team car parked on the corner and a wall and telegraph pole.

While the shunt (and accompanying screams) looked terrifying, fortunately no one was hurt in the crash, with only scratches to the Italian squad’s car to show for it after Lampier’s impressive save.

Explaining the situation to The British Continental podcast, the 38-year-old said: “Stage one at the Tour of Britain was eventful to say the least for the Saint Piran lads… We were called up to service a rider, it was a slight downhill.

“And I’m not sure how it happened, but we had a front tyre blowout – and just had no control of the car. The car was sliding and unfortunately there was a Bardiani [CSF] car parked just on the apex of the corner, servicing one of their riders who unfortunately crashed.

“And we were on a slippy bit of road and had zero control. I don’t know how I managed to, but I put it between the wall and the car, the Bardiani car.

“I’ll maybe speak to them tomorrow and give them a few beers. There are a few tiny little scratches on their car, but no damage.”

He continued: “No one was injured, fortunately, which was my… you know, you always worry yourself in those situations.

“I’ve been driving for 20-something years and never had a crash so, yeah, I was very, very lucky that no one got injured. But still not great, still doesn’t look good when you crash a team car does it?

“So yeah, I’ll have to speak to the team boss tonight. But all good.”

Now, that’s a near miss…

6 September 2022, 07:55

More cooking with the pros

Last week we were forced to watch Bora-Hansgrohe’s Irish duo Ryan Mullen and Sam Bennett doing their best Gordon and Gino impersonation in the kitchen, with an interesting take on salmon and champ (that was in no way related to Bennett’s subsequent withdrawal from the Vuelta, we’re told).

Well, today we have round two of ‘cooking with the pros’ (please don’t let this become a regular thing), as soon-to-be-retiring Little Richie Porte treated us to his, ehh, ‘breakfast of champions’, Weetabix and cottage cheese…

Crimes against food? 🚨
Or a great idea? ✅

During our recent video with @richie_porte we were exposed to his ‘Breakfast of Champions’:

Weetabix AND Cottage Cheese 🤯

Where do we stand on this? cc @weetabix pic.twitter.com/WZ9YKQ4YHD

— INEOS Grenadiers (@INEOSGrenadiers) September 5, 2022

It didn’t take long for the World Tour’s other social media admins to join the fun (featuring a now-mandatory reference to pro cycling’s chief gourmand, Elisa Longo Borghini):

pic.twitter.com/8PWRC1jjuQ

— Team BikeExchange-Jayco (@GreenEDGEteam) September 5, 2022

Well, you can ask a feedback to @ElisaLongoB… pic.twitter.com/b3nbHJKCn8

— Trek-Segafredo (@TrekSegafredo) September 5, 2022

This is the real crime . pic.twitter.com/8BfFsrxvXs

— FDJ – SUEZ – Futuroscope (@FDJ_SUEZ_Fut) September 6, 2022

6 September 2022, 07:55

Chiswick High Road cycle lane ‘exceeding expectations’ – despite anti-bike lane councillor’s predictions

It may only be the start of September, but the half-term results are in for London’s cycling infrastructure and it’s safe to say that the much-debated Cycleway 9 has so far ‘exceeded expectations’.

This morning, the capital’s Cycling and Walking Commissioner Will Norman revealed that Chiswick High Road – where the cycle lane was built as a temporary measure during the 2020 lockdown and made permanent (for 18 months anyway) the following year – has seen the biggest increase in people riding their bikes, rising by 37 percent from 2019’s daily high.

pic.twitter.com/mDDjY4FEpv

— Will Norman (@willnorman) September 6, 2022

> Conservative councillors say people going for brunch are ‘ruining cycle lane experiment’

This news prompted one Twitter user to remind outspoken Tory councillor and anti-cycle lane activist Joanna Biddolph of her rather bleak prediction from back in 2018:

I think it’s fair to say the cycleway exceeded expectations. https://t.co/ybTHsPlSkJ pic.twitter.com/J3S8NZvRjx

— Drew White (@drewsnx) September 6, 2022

I’m not sure Chiswick High Road’s impressive cycling numbers will halt Biddolph’s crusade against active travel and LTNs, however…

6 September 2022, 07:55

I see what you did there, Tour of Britain admin person

The ToB’s social media account is once again living up to its reputation:

📍 Barnard Castle: you have to see it to believe it.

[📸 // @swpixtweets]#TourOfBritain 🔴🔵⚪️ pic.twitter.com/mRuh2eda7b

— AJ Bell Tour of Britain 🇬🇧 (@TourofBritain) September 6, 2022

6 September 2022, 07:55

British Cycling announces squad for UCI road worlds in Wollongong

Following the news that Tom Pidcock has pulled out of this month’s UCI road world championships citing mental and physical fatigue after a long, successful season, British Cycling has today announced their 26-rider squad for the week-long event in Wollongong, which starts on 18 September.

In the elite men’s category, Ethan Hayter and Fred Wright, who have both enjoyed breakthrough seasons on the road, will lead the team.

Hayter will contest both the time trial and road race in Australia. Last month, the 23-year-old Ineos rider won the Tour of Poland, before he was forced to abandon his debut grand tour, the Vuelta a España, after testing positive for Covid despite a strong start.

Fred Wright and Ben Turner lead the group at the 2022 Commonwealth Games road race (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Fred Wright and Ben Turner lead the group at the 2022 Commonwealth Games road race (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Fred Wright and Ben Turner lead the group at the 2022 Commonwealth Games road race (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

Bahrain-Victorious’ Wright represents another possible rainbow jersey contender in the British ranks, following a strong season which has seen him secure a seventh place at the Tour of Flanders, along with a string of near misses at the Tour de France, Commonwealth Games and Vuelta.

They will be joined by Jake Stewart (an agonisingly close second at the Tour of Britain yesterday), Connor Swift, and Ineos teammates Ben Turner (who had another outstanding spring classics campaign), Ben Swift, Ben Tulett and Luke Rowe.

Pfeiffer Georgi rides on the front on stage four of the 2022 Women's Tour (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Pfeiffer Georgi rides on the front on stage four of the 2022 Women's Tour (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
SWpix (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Pfeiffer Georgi rides on the front on stage four of the 2022 Women’s Tour (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

For the women’s races, Team DSM’s 21-year-old star and former British champion Pfeiffer Georgi will head the team. Georgi played an invaluable role for team leader Lorena Wiebes at the Tour de France Femmes in July and has enjoyed some impressive recent results, including second in the Postnord Vårgårda WestSweden last month.

She will be joined by Commonwealth Games silver medallist Anna Henderson, current British road race champion Alice Towers, Lizzie Holden, Anna Shackley and double junior bronze medallist Elynor Bäckstedt.

Bob Donaldson, Sean Flynn, Ethan’s little brother and baby Giro winner Leo Hayter, Oliver Stockwell, and the in-form Sam Watson make up the U23 men’s team, while Zachary Walker, Jed Smithson and Ineos-bound Josh Tarling will line up in the junior ranks.

Zoe Backstedt - World Championships (via British Cycling on Twitter)
Zoe Backstedt - World Championships (via British Cycling on Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Zoe Backstedt - World Championships (via British Cycling on Twitter)
Zoe Backstedt – World Championships (via British Cycling on Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Multiple world champion Zoe Bäckstedt will aim to defend her rainbow bands in the junior women’s road race (and perhaps add a time trial gold to her collection), and will be joined by her worlds winning Madison partner Grace Lister, track worlds medallist Izzy Sharp and national champs runner-up Awen Roberts.

“Competition for places in our road teams gets fiercer every year, and every single rider selected for the squad should feel incredibly proud to be pulling on the jersey as we go in search of rainbow jerseys down under,” says GB’s Performance Director Stephen Park.

“The UCI Road World Championships, and the chance to wear the rainbow jersey, continues to be incredibly special for our riders, and we have some incredibly strong contenders across the events. I’m sure that our fans back at home will be setting their alarm clocks early and cheering them on through the night.”

6 September 2022, 07:55

SUNderland? More grisly conditions at the Tour of Britain

Heading to the finish in S̶u̶n̶derland, you say? 🌧#TourOfBritain 🔴🔵⚪️ pic.twitter.com/CWhK1Xykg2

— AJ Bell Tour of Britain 🇬🇧 (@TourofBritain) September 6, 2022

Today’s stage from Durham to Sunderland – another delightful day of constant rain – currently hangs in the balance, as the breakaway of four, Alexandar Richardson, Mathijs Paaschens, Benjamin Perry, and Kamiel Bonneu lead the Ineos-fronted peloton by over two minutes with 14km left.

It’s anyone’s guess at the minute, though I imagine most of the riders in the bunch will just be dreaming of a hot shower rather than a stage victory…

We’ve come to the Tour of Britain by mistake. pic.twitter.com/upS5UaGfdw

— Edward Pickering (@EdwardPickering) September 6, 2022

6 September 2022, 07:55

Poll: Will Remco win the Vuelta?

It’s all a bit serious in the comments today (the live blog, serious? What’s going on?)…

So, when I was out on my lunchtime dri- I mean ride! I was cycling, of course I was cycling. I don’t just drive around in my 4×4, with a helmet in the passenger seat, looking for a place to take a photo… No, that would be mad…

Anyway, where was I? Oh yes – over lunchtime I thought we should brighten the mood by having a poll on the aching cycling question of the week: Will Remco Evenepoel win the Vuelta?

2022 Remco La Vuelta Espana red jersey ASO/SprintCyclingAgency
SprintCyclingAgency (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2022 Remco La Vuelta Espana red jersey ASO/SprintCyclingAgency
SprintCyclingAgency (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

ASO/SprintCyclingAgency

The 22-year-old Belgian was looking invincible for most of the opening two weeks of his first proper crack at winning a grand tour. Until the weekend, that is, when he ceded time to chief rivals Primož Roglič and Enric Mas in the mountains of southern Spain.

However, while Evenepoel looked briefly on the ropes on Saturday’s summit finish to Sierra de La Pandera, before rallying late to limit his losses, the Quick Step-Alpha Vinyl rider appeared much more under control when first Mas and then Roglič distanced him on the dizzyingly high Alto Hoya de la Mora, operating a Big Mig-style tempo to keep his rivals with 40 seconds.

Evenepoel now leads three-time Vuelta winner Roglič by 1.34 and the in-form Mas by 2.01.

Do you think Remco (or Red-co as I call him – it hasn’t caught on) can hang on during what is unchartered territory for the young Belgian, starting with today’s relatively flat stage? Or do you think the mountains around Madrid on Saturday will prove his undoing, just like they did for Tom Dumoulin on his first GC bid back in 2015?

Super Survey

6 September 2022, 07:55

Kamiel Bonneu wins Tour of Britain stage after nail biting finale – but Perry misses out on race lead

Kamiel Bonneu (@TeamSVB) wins stage three of the @AJBell Tour of Britain 🇬🇧 in Sunderland 🏆@benjefperry takes second, @AlexandarRicha2 third after the day-long breakaway stays clear. #TourOfBritain 🔴🔵⚪️ pic.twitter.com/Tj0tq7hC4N

— AJ Bell Tour of Britain 🇬🇧 (@TourofBritain) September 6, 2022

Today’s sodden stage of the Tour of Britain to Sunderland almost provided another textbook example for the university module, ‘Breakaway Failures 101: How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory’.

Fortunately for Sport Vlaanderen-Baloise’s Kamiel Bonneu, who took the biggest win of his fledgling career with an impressive 500-metre-long sprint, the peloton – which had relied on Ineos Grenadiers’ Kwiatkowski-Amador axis for most of the day – had dithered during a crucial part of the stage, allowing the break enough time for the cat-and-mouse antics that almost derailed their own chances on the flooded streets of Sunderland.

Saint-Piran’s Alexandar Richardson – a live blog favourite for his mind-bogglingly long training rides – may have been the driving force behind the break in its early stages, but almost became responsible for its downfall, his brinkmanship tactics and short-lived digs slowly chipping away the cohesion of the four-man group without ever giving the 32-year-old former Alpecin rider a real shot at winning.

In the end, however, it was the slow-awakening peloton which made the day’s biggest tactical blunder, while the Belgian Bonneu proved the strongest and most resilient ahead of Benjamin Perry, Richardson and Mathijs Paasschens.

In a cruel twist of fate, however, second-place Perry was denied the red leader’s jersey, as the commissaires decreed that there was no time difference between the Canadian WiV SunGod rider and the charging bunch, led home by Bora-Hansgrohe’s Jordi Meeus.

Perry now sits in second overall, agonisingly on the same time as leader Corbin Strong, a rather fitting ending to a chaotic, brutal day.

6 September 2022, 07:55

Meanwhile, at the Vuelta…

🤪 @OutOfCycling #LaVuelta22 pic.twitter.com/VQiPVOGYkD

— La Vuelta (@lavuelta) September 6, 2022

6 September 2022, 07:55

Ouch

Mathijs Paaschens on the tactics of Alex Richardson in the @TourofBritain stage 3 finale: “If he’s going to race like that, he might as well stay home.”

— Andy McGrath (@Andymcgra) September 6, 2022

Alexandar Richardson’s tactics today haven’t gone down too well with his breakaway companions, it seems…

6 September 2022, 07:55

“When you can’t wait any longer for the cyclocross season to start”

When you can’t wait any longer for the cyclocross season to start. #LaVuelta22 pic.twitter.com/3XEv2WUarZ

— Cyclocross24.com (@cyclocross24) September 6, 2022

Or maybe the Movistar rider was in dire need of a Tom Dumoulin?

6 September 2022, 07:55

“We should be claiming a (protected) space on the road, not allowing ourselves to be surreptitiously transformed into a type of pedestrian”: road.cc reader on cycle lanes

As any avid reader of the live blog will know, ‘why don’t cyclists use cycle lanes?’ is an evergreen topic, often providing us with a plethora of images of parked cars and debris scattered across the designated bike lane, if it even deserves to be defined as such.

Responding to our latest examples of shoddy or mistreated bike lanes on the live blog last week, road.cc reader Peter got in touch to highlight another issue when it comes to some aspects of cycling infrastructure: bike paths that give way every 50 metres to junctions, private drives or side roads, creating a riding environment that Peter argues transforms cyclists into “high-speed pedestrians” or, God forbid, glorified skateboarders…

Here’s what he had to say:

I am grateful for cycle lanes where they exist and almost always use them, but I rarely use segregated cycle paths because they effectively remove me from the road and turn me into something analogous to a high-speed pedestrian (like a skateboard user!).

For example, the A59/A565 Preston/Southport Road near me is quite well provided with alternating stretches of cycle lanes and segregated cycle path for much of its length. The sections of cycle path are generally quite wide and in a fairly good state of repair.

But when I move from a section of cycle lane to a section of cycle path, I am effectively removed from the A59/A565, and instead of having priority over vehicles joining from side roads and driveways I am now obliged to give way to them.

This might not matter if the side roads and driveways were very infrequent, but they are not. In some sections they come up very frequently if you are doing any sort of speed, and each time you are obliged to slow down and check for traffic joining or leaving the main road, before crossing.

The constant slow-stop-start-accelerate-slow cycle is not only inconvenient and tiring, it often feels more dangerous than remaining main road. (For example, approaching a side road with high hedges and a sharp turn as it joins the main road, it is necessary to pull forward and crane your neck to try to peer down the side road, at the same time guarding against fast-moving traffic coming up behind you turning into the side road from the other direction – it’s like trying to cross a road from the inside of a blind hairpin bend, somewhere you’d never site a road junction!)

These problems could be obviated by making segregated cycle paths notionally part of the main carriageway, so that drivers were required to give way to cyclists as they do to motor traffic on the main carriageway.

However, as things stand, I’d be surprised if that got much compliance even if it were instituted, and I’d certainly be nervous of powering across a junction expecting drivers to stop and give way at the cycle path, rather than rolling forward to the verge of the main road.

All in all, I’d say that segregated cycle paths are a good idea for people travelling very short distances at slow speeds (e.g. with small children) but that cycle lanes with similar priority arrangements to the road they are on are a much more suitable idea for cyclists as a whole.

We should be claiming a (protected) space on the road, not allowing ourselves to be surreptitiously transformed into a type of pedestrian.

What do you think? 

6 September 2022, 07:55

Drama at the Vuelta – Roglič attacks then crashes heavily on uphill finish, as Evenepoel punctures inside 3km

 Cycling, eh? Bloody hell.

Just when you thought that stage 16 of the Vuelta to Tomares would merely act as a relative second rest day in a row for the GC contenders, with a short burst of action on the rise to the finish line, Primož Roglič – never one to adhere doggedly to cycling conventions – promptly tore the script up, and inadvertently perhaps scuppered his own chance of a fourth-straight GC victory in Spain.

The Jumbo-Visma rider launched a ferocious attack with 2.6km to go, with only pre-stage favourites Mads Pedersen, Pascal Ackermann, Danny van Poppel and the ever-present Fred Wright able to follow on the deceptively steep ramps.

Roglic crashes on stage 16 of 2022 Vuelta (GCN) 3
Roglic crashes on stage 16 of 2022 Vuelta (GCN) 3 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Roglic crashes on stage 16 of 2022 Vuelta (GCN) 3
Roglic crashes on stage 16 of 2022 Vuelta (GCN) 3 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

As the race split to pieces in front, Remco Evenepoel was at the back, waving his hands in the air to indicate that he had suffered what turned out to be a rather timely puncture. Timely because – as the red jersey certainly knew, judging by his calm demeanour as he waited to be serviced by his team, despite the uphill slog to the line – the 3km rule applied on today’s stage, meaning Remco would be awarded the same time as the bunch.

While the 22-year-old Belgian calmly pedalled to the finish in a sort of impromptu warm-down, up ahead Roglič ferociously stamped on the pedals, time gains on his mind, as he put some of the world’s most powerful sprinter-rouleurs in difficulty even as the gradient eased off towards the finish.

But, as seems to be the case with Roglič (though not in Spain usually, it must be said), disaster soon struck – as the Slovenian jinked back into the slipstream after a final, surging turn at the front, he somehow tangled with Fred Wright and hit the ground hard.

As Roglič stumbled to his feet, decidedly groggy, his glasses clinging forlornly to his face, blood dripping from his arm, Pedersen secured his second stage win of the race, with Wright once again the nearly man in fourth. 

(The Jumbo-Visma’s riders crash also resulted in the rare occurrence where a GC contender gained time on the red jersey – eight seconds in this case – despite neither of them finishing in the group to which they were officially awarded their times.)

Roglic crashes on stage 16 of 2022 Vuelta (GCN)
Roglic crashes on stage 16 of 2022 Vuelta (GCN) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Roglic crashes on stage 16 of 2022 Vuelta (GCN)
Roglic crashes on stage 16 of 2022 Vuelta (GCN) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

“I think I got blocked a bit by Primož, and I think that’s what caused the crash,” Wright said at the finish.

“I don’t know, I think it was just a racing incident. I was coming out and around, and he was coming backwards… Nothing was deliberate, obviously.

“I hope he’s alright… Primož, even on the flat parts he was smashing it and I was just thinking ‘can I hold this wheel?’ Fair play, and I hope he’s alright.”

The extent of Roglič’s injuries are, of course, as yet unknown, though cycling’s ability to produce disaster right on the cusp of greatness is an aspect of the sport of which the Slovenian is all too well aware.

6 September 2022, 07:55

Half of world’s population thinks Evenepoel will win Vuelta

2022 Vuelta poll results
2022 Vuelta poll results (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2022 Vuelta poll results
2022 Vuelta poll results (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

And if we adhere to the Daily Mail and Fair Fuel UK’s survey-reporting standards, 12 percent of all people think Howard Cox will be wearing red in Madrid come Sunday.

That sounds right, doesn’t it?

6 September 2022, 07:55

Driver who killed cyclist could not read number plate three metres away

Driver who killed cyclist could not read number plate three metres away

The family of Jim Tassell, fatally hit on the B3400 in Hampshire in July 2021, pleaded with "anyone who is concerned about an elderly driver to act so other families do not have to go through the pain and devastation"

6 September 2022, 07:55

Ah, the B word strikes again...

Cycling club arrives in Spain for charity ride... hit with £7,000 bike customs charge

Cycling club arrives in Spain for charity ride... hit with £7,000 bike customs charge

Welsh group Tap It Out paid the fee but now faces having to "fold the club" and feels like the group has been "held for ransom"

6 September 2022, 07:55

What? No bottle for the kid?

"Giving it the absolute beans!": Kid smashes up climb with Tour of Britain breakaway

"Giving it the absolute beans!": Kid smashes up climb with Tour of Britain breakaway

It's happened again...

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After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.  

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  1. PRSboy
    September 6, 2022 at 8:46 am
    0

    Another Brexit ‘win’ – Welsh

    Another Brexit ‘win’ – Welsh cycle club in jeopardy after tariffs applied to bikes in Spain on charity ride…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62799594

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    • hawkinspeter
      September 6, 2022 at 9:14 am
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      PRSboy wrote:

      Another Brexit ‘win’ – Welsh cycle club in jeopardy after tariffs applied to bikes in Spain on charity ride…

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62799594

      — PRSboy

      A small price to pay for all our Brexit benefits

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    • S13SFC
      September 6, 2022 at 9:30 am
      0

      Those sunlit uplands of

      Those sunlit uplands of Brexit ?

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      • eburtthebike
        September 6, 2022 at 10:26 am
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        S13SFC wrote:

        Those sunlit uplands of Brexit ?

        — S13SFC

        Yes, but you have to keep dodging the unicorns as they are more vulnerable than cyclists.

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        • chrisonabike
          September 6, 2022 at 10:48 am
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          Well I wouldn’t want to be on

          Well I wouldn’t want to be on the end of one!

          https://jonesbikes.com/jones-aluminum-gnarwal/

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    • Awavey
      September 6, 2022 at 9:55 am
      0

      stick aload of carbon frame
      stick aload of carbon frame bikes in the back of a van and drive through the EU let alone attempt to enter the block, with all the bike owners in transit elsewhere, and dont be surprised if customs get very inquisitive about what you are doing.

      They either didn’t have the right forms filled in,which might well include proof of ownership, or the customs officials misread the documents they did provide.

      It’s bad it’s happened to a charity ride, but this wasnt “Brexit” related.

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      • duncanap
        September 6, 2022 at 10:38 am
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        This is very true – I used to

        This is very true – I used to do motorbike track days in various EU countries, well be fore the madness of Brexit. I took a mates bike with me once, he was flying to join me later, even with all his registration docs and a letter I struggled. I had to get what is known as a “carnet” which basically helps prove to customs that oyu are transiting with something of value.

        this is the same for musical equipment used by bands on tour etc. I can imagine things are probably more frosty since brexit, but this is not new and is seperate to the free travel for people within the EU.

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      September 6, 2022 at 11:06 am
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      Although to be fair, I wonder

      Although to be fair, I wonder if it was just a crooked person deciding to use confusions to extort money. Of course the confusions wouldn’t have arisen without Brexit though. 

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  2. Joe Nation
    September 6, 2022 at 9:14 am
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    Sounds like the pot calling

    Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me. You constantly use disparaging comments (“poor Howard… what can only be described as a Trumpian style. Sad!”), snarky attitudes (“Written by yours truly (so you know it’s good stuff)”) and stereotypical views (“everyone’s favourite motoring mouthpiece”? I’ve never even heard of him). Exactly the sort of tripe that the likes of the Daily Mail put out, which you then call out for being tripe!

    Your statement that FFUK’s survery is biased is of course true, and Mr Cox clearly either doesn’t care or is ignorant to what that means – I’m certainly not on his side. But how about road.cc employs some proper journalists who know how to right a fair, unbiased piece and report the facts, not your own opinions!

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    • hawkinspeter
      September 6, 2022 at 9:32 am
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      Joe Nation wrote:

      Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me. You constantly use disparaging comments (“poor Howard… what can only be described as a Trumpian style. Sad!”), snarky attitudes (“Written by yours truly (so you know it’s good stuff)”) and stereotypical views (“everyone’s favourite motoring mouthpiece”? I’ve never even heard of him). Exactly the sort of tripe that the likes of the Daily Mail put out, which you then call out for being tripe!

      Your statement that FFUK’s survery is biased is of course true, and Mr Cox clearly either doesn’t care or is ignorant to what that means – I’m certainly not on his side. But how about road.cc employs some proper journalists who know how to right a fair, unbiased piece and report the facts, not your own opinions!

      — Joe Nation

      I, for one, enjoy the opinions and informal nature of the writing on Road.cc. As I understand it, the Live Blog is intended to be a very informal round-up of anything vaguely related to cycling, but even so, the journalistic standards of accuracy are streets ahead of the likes of the Mail.

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    • eburtthebike
      September 6, 2022 at 9:39 am
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      (No subject)

      laugh

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    • Hirsute
      September 6, 2022 at 9:45 am
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      Can you give me a list of
      Can you give me a list of journalists who do this.

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    • ShutTheFrontDawes
      September 6, 2022 at 9:46 am
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      The difference is that the
      The difference is that the pieces written by the road.cc team are clearly their own opinion. They don’t pretend that their opinion, or some laughably small survey represents the majority of views. I can’t recall anything that the road.cc team have written that is misleading in that way. And it is up to them if they want to poke fun at some nobody or their mad ramblings on Twitter. It’s the road.cc website. It’s theirs. We’re just visiting.

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    • giff77
      September 6, 2022 at 10:27 am
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      Joe Nation wrote:

      Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me. You constantly use disparaging comments (“poor Howard… what can only be described as a Trumpian style. Sad!”), snarky attitudes (“Written by yours truly (so you know it’s good stuff)”) and stereotypical views (“everyone’s favourite motoring mouthpiece”? I’ve never even heard of him). Exactly the sort of tripe that the likes of the Daily Mail put out, which you then call out for being tripe!

      Your statement that FFUK’s survery is biased is of course true, and Mr Cox clearly either doesn’t care or is ignorant to what that means – I’m certainly not on his side. But how about road.cc employs some proper journalists who know how to right a fair, unbiased piece and report the facts, not your own opinions!

      — Joe Nation

      And you pretty much demonstrate your lack of knowledge on the difference of a blog and a news article. A blog is informal, contains personal views and is pretty much something that will generate discussion. You will notice that various articles on this site are more serious than the blog. 
       

      Much in the same way that newspapers have journalists and columnists. The former reports the news while the latter just rants. My great uncle was a respected journalist and ended up being a political correspondent. He very much refused to contemplate being a columnist. 

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  3. Car Delenda Est
    September 6, 2022 at 9:25 am
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    I was reflecting on yesterday
    I was reflecting on yesterday’s live blog last night and awoke this morning with a chilling realisation: the real danger that Mr Loophole needs to address is that car users, more vulnerable than larger vehicles, will begin driving recklessly around buses and HGVs.

    I believe that some of us have already started to see the effects such a powerful sense of entitlement can have on the minds of car drivers

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  4. Awavey
    September 6, 2022 at 9:34 am
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    The amount of times these
    The amount of times these Strava “stories” appear in the press I wouldnt be surprised if they werent planted purely to advertise Strava.

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    • mark1a
      September 6, 2022 at 9:49 am
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      Awavey wrote:

      The amount of times these Strava “stories” appear in the press I wouldnt be surprised if they werent planted purely to advertise Strava.

      — Awavey

      Certainly the “secret bases revealed” version has done the rounds a few times. 

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      • Wingguy
        September 6, 2022 at 12:52 pm
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        I’m always surprised that

        I’m always surprised that Strava is blamed for revealing them, rather than the people with security clearances and secrecy training who still think using a location based social media service at a secure location is a good idea.

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        • AlsoSomniloquism
          September 6, 2022 at 3:06 pm
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          Exactly this. Strava spams me

          Exactly this. Strava spams me loads about the ability to change privacy settings etc in app and sometime via email, so to blame them does seem to be counter intuitive. 

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    • HoarseMann
      September 6, 2022 at 7:59 pm
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      They need to do a better job

      They need to do a better job advertising Strava in Afghanistan. The locations suitable for a run seem to be very limited in Kabul.

      https://www.strava.com/heatmap#12.53/69.14755/34.54618/hot/run

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      • chrisonabike
        September 6, 2022 at 8:20 pm
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        It’s the clothing that’s

        It’s the clothing that’s putting them off.  No doubt the whole map would be glowing if there weren’t those unpleasant entitled cyclists US and allied forces Taliban in garish lycra greens traditional Pashtun garb and rifles wearing helmets running about the place.

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  5. Hirsute
    September 6, 2022 at 9:47 am
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    Just done my yearly reminder
    Just done my yearly reminder of why I don’t drive for commuting. Had to take the car for the mot and service.
    Took the bike in the boot so garage to office 5km was so easy.
    Apparently driving is freedom or something. Sure feels like hell to me.

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    • OldRidgeback
      September 6, 2022 at 11:31 am
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      My commute thru South London

      My commute thru South London is a bit too long to cycle all the way so it’s either bicycle to the station and then train, or motorbike all the way. The first takes an hour. The second takes 45 mins. Going by car takes an hour and 15 mins at the best of times but now thanks to Thames Water, it’d take about an hour an 30 mins. I honestly have never understood why people feel the need to commute by car in a big city like London.

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      • nosferatu1001
        September 6, 2022 at 9:47 pm
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        Mine is cycle to station,

        Mine is cycle to station, train to Paddington, and cycle to bank. About 50mph cycling each way the rest is variable…

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        • NOtotheEU
          September 7, 2022 at 1:12 am
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          nosferatu1001 wrote:

          Mine is cycle to station, train to Paddington, and cycle to bank. About 50mph cycling each way the rest is variable…

          — nosferatu1001

          Very impressive, even if it was all downhill. ?

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          • andystow
            September 7, 2022 at 3:48 am
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            NOtotheEU wrote:

            Mine is cycle to station, train to Paddington, and cycle to bank. About 50mph cycling each way the rest is variable…

            — NOtotheEU

            Very impressive, even if it was all downhill. ?

            — nosferatu1001

            Found the problematic speeding cyclist!

        • chrisonabike
          September 7, 2022 at 6:52 am
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          Skitching off the train?
          Skitching the train?

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hWcMrYL1Q6s

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  6. eburtthebike
    September 6, 2022 at 12:32 pm
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    I’m beginning to wonder if

    I’m beginning to wonder if the infestation of trolls is designed to get those of a nervous disposition to stop reading road.cc?  This strategy has worked with some websites, where people get so fed up of the continual drip drip of deliberately stupid, minisinformed crap and the tedious arguments, that they leave.

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    • Hirsute
      September 6, 2022 at 12:36 pm
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      I think 2 is about standard.
      I think 2 is about standard.
      I have complained directly before that the amount of baiting does not lead me to want to stay or renew my subscription.

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      • chrisonabike
        September 6, 2022 at 1:31 pm
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        I’d settle for two but only

        I’d settle for two but only if they were licenced, taxed and weren’t allow to “double up”.

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        • Rendel Harris
          September 6, 2022 at 1:36 pm
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          chrisonatrike wrote:

          I’d settle for two but only if they were licenced, taxed and weren’t allow to “double up”.

          — chrisonatrike

          And had to display a visible identifier whilst trolling, surely?

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          • chrisonabike
            September 6, 2022 at 2:39 pm
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            Are you saying you don’t have

            Are you saying you don’t have the ability to see trolls?  Hand in your posting licence immediately.

          • Clem Fandango
            September 6, 2022 at 4:51 pm
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            Like me? I do try. 

            Like me? I do try. 

            As the ‘Troll’s Troll’ I feel it’s only sporting.

          • Rendel Harris
            September 6, 2022 at 5:14 pm
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            Exactly, playing the game as

            Exactly, playing the game as it should be played!

    • Mungecrundle
      September 7, 2022 at 6:22 am
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      You should be more tolerant
      You should be more tolerant and share the website. You need to understand that whilst there is some troll specific infrastructure to keep them safe from your postings, that these safe (under bridge) spaces are rarely linked up with troll specific tunnels and they need to make use of the public forum.

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  7. Patrick9-32
    September 6, 2022 at 1:09 pm
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    Wait until all of these

    Wait until all of these people who are so mad about people using the road without paying for it hear about street parking…

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  8. Miller
    September 6, 2022 at 3:08 pm
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    Hey people, here’s a HAPPY

    Hey people, here’s a HAPPY bike story.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/06/chimpanzee-escapes-from-zoo-in-under-fire-ukrainian-city

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  9. brooksby
    September 6, 2022 at 3:48 pm
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    road.cc reader Peter wrote:

    We should be claiming a (protected) space on the road, not allowing ourselves to be surreptitiously transformed into a type of pedestrian.

    — road.cc reader Peter

    Hear-hear!  I think that Peter has a point.

    Like the man says: sooner or later every cyclist realises that there are already shared-use paths everywhere – they’re called “roads”.

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    • hawkinspeter
      September 6, 2022 at 4:02 pm
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      brooksby wrote:

      We should be claiming a (protected) space on the road, not allowing ourselves to be surreptitiously transformed into a type of pedestrian.

      — brooksby

      Hear-hear!  I think that Peter has a point.

      Like the man says: sooner or later every cyclist realises that there are already shared-use paths everywhere – they’re called “roads”.

      — road.cc reader Peter

      I agree with my namesake too.

      Infrastructure that causes cyclists to be continuously stopping and starting is at odds with encouraging active travel and I’d include traffic lights with that too.

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    • chrisonabike
      September 6, 2022 at 4:37 pm
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      I think this is not quite a

      I think this is not quite a fallacy although included here:

      https://cyclingfallacies.com/en/25/we%E2%80%99ll-be-stuck-on-terrible-cycle-paths

      We should be claiming a protected space.  I understand the concerns but “on the road” is not actually the key point for moving forward – unless you’re totally happy with how it is now.

      Why?  Most of us use the roads I’m guessing and maybe don’t much care about all the non-cyclists?  Won’t you think of the children?  Unfortunately without something they consider a suitable alternative the most people will keep using motor vehicles (yes – there are lots of factors keeping this as is).  That means it’s not going to get much better for we band of brothers.  So considering how to get others out of their vehicles is just enlightened self-interest.  As others have pointed out most people consider cycling on our current roads less appealing than most available cycle infra (assuming there is any locally available at all).  For more than the current 3% of trips to be cycled on roads as currently exist in the UK would need a bit of work:

      a) Remove all motor vehicles.  Well, OK, remove most lorries and heavier vehicles, remove a LOT of the cars (including the parked ones), slow down the moving cars and in some places persuade them to not overtake cyclists at all.

      b) Remove traffic lights (not needed for cycling) – oh, but we can’t if we still have motor vehicles?  And junctions are some of the most dangerous (and least convenient) places for cyclists?  Hmm.. OK, let’s just leave them for now.

      c) Fix the roads!  Plenty of craters round here which could swallow a scooter.

      d) Remove other unnecessary things / dangers.  Metal lumps and grates.  Those kerbs are a bit high now.  Other dangers like tram lines need sorting.

      e) Details: cycle-suitable signs and some extra lighting.  In some places maybe lighting could be made less bright?  The odd ford needs a bridge too.

      (a) seems a bit of an ask in isolation.  If that’s not doable we’ll need some more dedicated cycle infra.  That will definitely use some roads via things like modal filters, traffic calming, removing rat-running etc.  I think we need multiple things for change.  Infra that’s attractive enough to make the majority (8 – 80) feel it’s safe and convenient.  Making driving – at least in some places / at some times – less attractive.  Public transport and better enforcement of road law. If people want to help out by looking normal / stylish (not like “cyclists”) on their bikes and being extra polite, all to the good!

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  10. anagallis_arvensis
    September 6, 2022 at 5:50 pm
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    “What do you think? “
    “What do you think? ”

    I think he is 100%, unequivocally correct

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  11. Awavey
    September 6, 2022 at 6:54 pm
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    new transport secretary

    new transport secretary incoming…

    meanwhile whilst that game of musical chairs happens, the transport committee have a Work of Active Travel England session with Chris Boardman tomorrow https://committees.parliament.uk/event/14426/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

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    • Awavey
      September 6, 2022 at 9:13 pm
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      …and its Anne-Marie

      …and its Anne-Marie Trevelyan (apparently she’s keen on dualling the A1 in her constiuency)

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      • Rendel Harris
        September 7, 2022 at 5:34 am
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        Not transport related but

        Not directly transport related but this:

        In January 2016, the Labour Party unsuccessfully proposed an amendment in Parliament that would have required private landlords to make their homes “fit for human habitation”. According to Parliament’s register of interests, Trevelyan was one of 72 Conservative MPs who voted against the amendment who personally derived an income from renting out property.

        and this:

        In November 2021 The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) revealed Trevelyan’s accommodation expenses were £136,590.26 on a flat in London since she was elected in 2015, despite the fact she had already had a flat in London which she does not use.

        and especially this:

        Between 2010 and 2012 Trevelyan wrote a series of incorrect tweets denying global warming, including stating “[there is] clear evidence that the ice caps aren’t melting after all” and “global warming isn’t actually happening”.

        don’t make one sanguine that we’re getting a new minister who’s a beacon of integrity nor one for whom reducing environmental harm from transport is going to be a top priority.

         

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        • chrisonabike
          September 7, 2022 at 7:02 am
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          Well she sounds like an
          Well she sounds like an experienced politician at least. I’m more concerned about “we have to spend so much money fixing the cost of fuel / NHS etc that we can’t afford to spend a little to save money / help smaller businesses / keep people healthier”.

          https://cyclingfallacies.com/en/23/it%E2%80%99s-too-expensive-to-provide-for-cycling

          https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-value-of-cycling-rapid-evidence-review-of-the-economic-benefits-of-cycling

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        • eburtthebike
          September 7, 2022 at 9:05 am
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          Rendel Harris wrote:

          Not directly transport related but this:

          In January 2016, the Labour Party unsuccessfully proposed an amendment in Parliament that would have required private landlords to make their homes “fit for human habitation”. According to Parliament’s register of interests, Trevelyan was one of 72 Conservative MPs who voted against the amendment who personally derived an income from renting out property.

          — Rendel Harris

          and this:

          In November 2021 The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) revealed Trevelyan’s accommodation expenses were £136,590.26 on a flat in London since she was elected in 2015, despite the fact she had already had a flat in London which she does not use.

          and especially this:

          Between 2010 and 2012 Trevelyan wrote a series of incorrect tweets denying global warming, including stating “[there is] clear evidence that the ice caps aren’t melting after all” and “global warming isn’t actually happening”.

          don’t make one sanguine that we’re getting a new minister who’s a beacon of integrity nor one for whom reducing environmental harm from transport is going to be a top priority.

          The lasting legacy of Boris has been to normalise lying to your face.

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          • Hirsute
            September 7, 2022 at 9:14 am
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            And he was lying in his very

            And he was lying in his very last speech.

          • hawkinspeter
            September 7, 2022 at 11:43 am
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            hirsute wrote:

            And he was lying in his very last speech.

            — hirsute

            He has nothing to gain from the truth, so why would he ever speak it?

          • Rendel Harris
            September 7, 2022 at 9:15 am
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            eburtthebike wrote:

            The lasting legacy of Boris has been to normalise lying to your face.

            — eburtthebike

            I know you’re not always the biggest fan of the BBC but it’s well worth looking at their fact check on his leaving speech, basically everything he said was either a lie or a half-truth (i.e. also a half lie). Quite extraordinary.

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/62806217

        • ktache
          September 7, 2022 at 6:18 pm
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          According to the bloke who

          According to the bloke who often sells me my train ticket in the evenings, and when it’s quiet we occasionally chat politics, she fought hard to keep her local train station.

          I think he might be working hard to find a positive,…

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  12. wtjs
    September 7, 2022 at 11:33 am
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    Well, we may not agree about

    Well, we may not agree about e-biking or other things, but we can present a united front on this!

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swagman 2 hours ago

Oh sir! sir! Johnnys riding his bike without a helmet, he’s going to die when he falls off!, Yes what a silly boy he is ! Anyway jump in the car we’re going to be late for school and I hope no one gets in my way especially bleeding cyclists!! I wonder if AI will see what fools we are..

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ktache 3 hours ago

It's more about the nomex suit, car helmet and five point harnesses (with HANS), but "reply" ain't what it used to be...

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Miller 3 hours ago

'Gotten' ? The word is 'become', as in, I have become sick of seeing 'gotten'.

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OK, all the stuff I said elsewhere on this thread in defence of helmets, I take it all back. I'd sooner be seen as an anti-lidder than be associated with that heap of steaming ordure.

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Rendel Harris 4 hours ago

I couldn't agree more, and when we have all that everywhere I might think about leaving off the helmet, but until then if I have to share the road with huge fast-moving chunks of metal, many of them piloted by persons of limited intelligence and even less self control, I'm going to keep the lid, which even Burt agrees can "probably" offer some protection from injury.

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
eburtthebike 4 hours ago

And the irony is that helmet promotion and mandation kills lots of people and they don't reduce the death rate of cyclists. The benefits of cycling vastly outweigh the risks, and helmet promotion and mandation deter cycling (the only proven effect) so those deterred lose those benefits and die earlier.

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
Justblewbyyou 4 hours ago

I see Mont Pythons upper class twits have been replaced by male anti helmet twits who probably ride under 10000 km/year while wearing bike gloves, ladies bib capris, power meters to register the watts they dont produce ,gps because they are easily lost on a tiny island, a mobile phone to call the wifey in case the ride gets too hilly or wet or fast or windy, all while complaining their tushy hurts. They always ask for proof..you could crash a few times on purpose without and with a helmet and send us the pictures. Do pros complain about helmets?..if you rode in a country with sun you would know that styrofoam actually keeps your head cool.. Ps ice hockey players say they dont need mouthguards..ask them to smile

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
ktache 4 hours ago

If it saves one life...

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
Hirsute 4 hours ago

Pro cyclists wear helmets as it is mandated. Before it was mandated, very few wore them. Infrastructure, separation, 20 mph, traffic calming are far more important.

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”

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