Actor Eddie Marsan rants about cyclists ignoring red lights and bike lanes; New Cav deal looks unlikely; Calls for infra after crash; 1-0 Sam Bennett; Reaction to L2B train ban; Bad parking; AOC’s cycling dress; Tour of Britain doc + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
Calls for proper bike lane after Sheffield cyclist hit by turning driver
Partly my fault (positioning and overtaking), partly fault of driver turning across the lanes, partly fault of the immense size of the black SUV, but mainly lack of infrastructure on Eccy Rd @CycleSheffield @sccactivetravel @CyclewalkSCR 1/2 pic.twitter.com/goIAY71vjY
— Saif (@nomapod) September 13, 2021
Saif was knocked down while riding past stationary traffic sat next to the empty bus lane. The video sparked a debate about who was at fault, with some saying the Range Rover driver’s positioning made the situation worse, while others lay the blame solely with the Peugeot driver.
Either way, it’s a scenario cyclists who ride regularly in urban areas have probably experienced at some point or other. What would have helped, as Saif points out, is some proper infrastructure on the Ecclesall Road.
I lived just off there back in 1990 at Uni. I miss it so but riding my GT MTB around then was bad enough on Eccy Rd and yet still no decent infrastructure 31 years later in high student popn density and main commuting arterial rd. Shame on @SheffCouncil
— Lol Grant #NoSafeSpaceForJewHate (@lolgrant7) September 13, 2021
Looks like a buslane, driver crossing 2 lanes of traffic didn’t check both lanes were clear & caused a crash (nearly hit other cyclist too?)
Better infra would help but unless you’re gonna block side roads, drivers still need to look where they’re going.
Hope you heal quick!
— cyclinggrump (@cyclinggrump) September 14, 2021
It is an awful rd. And heavily used by all rd users. Space is there for it to be better.
— Saif (@nomapod) September 14, 2021
Of course, getting infra’s just one part of the puzzle…especially if it’s done like the Cork cycle lane we featured on the blog recently. A local rider took their first spin down the new cycle lane…only to narrowly avoid being hit by two drivers. I think the emphasis here is on building proper infra…(and changing drivers’ attitudes to cyclists).
What Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's dress really said...
Iconic look being rocked by @AOC – dressed to slay! 😃🚲💃 #streetsforpeople pic.twitter.com/7rZRNEfrqX
— London Cycling Campaign (@London_Cycling) September 14, 2021
‘Tax the rich’ on a dress? Maybe Jeremy Clarkson will rock up on Amazon wearing a ‘tax the cyclists’ coat?
How not to park No. 4378
The lovely guy in orange ran up to me to ask why I took a photo.
I said because how badly it’s parked.
He claimed it’s parked completely safely and that I am a prick. 🥴 pic.twitter.com/oqxrbGKrOB
— Thomas O. Cornwallis (@UrbanistTOC) September 14, 2021
Some solutions…
Rory Meakin went for: “A rotary cutter to trim overhanging debris like this or a tow truck driving round looking for such things?”
Sonsu added: “Stiff fines the only solution. But as the police doesn’t do anything there won’t be any improvement any time soon.” To which the aptly named ‘You Park Like a C*nt’ account replied: “Fines need to reflect the wrongdoer’s financial circumstances. Otherwise it’s just a punishment for the poor.”
"This stupid country in one short story": Reaction to London to Brighton bikes on trains ban
Attitudes like this amaze me. A big event with thousands of easy potential customers that would admittedly need a little effort to accommodate them. Should be like shooting fish in a barrel.
UK train operator – No thanks we don’t want the business https://t.co/V4F5xdItZp— Real Gaz on a proper bike #fbpe (@gazza_d) September 14, 2021
No shopping allowed on trains on Christmas Eve. No bikes allowed on trains on the day of London to Brighton. No bags allowed on trains over Glastonbury Festival weekend. Guess which one of these is real…
This stupid country in one short story
— leicestercyclist (@leicestercylist) September 14, 2021
There ends all common sense. Arrange a bike event and discourage the use of public transport. Genius
— Roland Rat (@RolandRatIV) September 14, 2021
Relive the Tour of Britain with the Ineos Grenadiers
You can probably tell I’m a sucker for these behind the scenes at pro races vids that have become increasingly popular as team’s beef up their YouTube output. Yesterday, we had Alex Dowsett’s take on the opening few stages. Today, it’s Ineos Grenadiers’ entire race packaged neatly into one 14 minute video…a lunchtime treat.
Josh Quigley seven-day cycling distance world record attempt: 36 per cent of the way there
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— Josh Quigley (@JoshQuigley2026) September 15, 2021
You fear the worst when a Josh Quigley video with an ambulance pops up on your timeline…sorry, Josh. You’ve got form on that front…
Thankfully it’s nothing more than a bit of friendly roadside support as the endurance legend smashed day two of the record attempt. He’s now up to 786 miles in two days…36 per cent of the record total. Just another 340-mile day yesterday…and possibly another today…and the day after…
Keep your fingers crossed that’s the last paramedic he meets this week.
Paris-Roubaix Femmes route details announced
😈 #ParisRoubaixFemmes 🚴, 1ère édition
🗓 Saturday, 2nd October / Samedi 2 octobre
1⃣7⃣ cobbled sections / secteurs pavés.
📏 116,4 km🔎 Discover the route of the very first #ParisRoubaixFemmes! ⬇
🔎 Voici le parcours du premier #ParisRoubaixFemmes! ⬇ pic.twitter.com/KPERujqM9n— Paris-Roubaix (@Paris_Roubaix) September 14, 2021
The first ever women’s Paris-Roubaix is coming on Saturday 2 October. Race organiser ASO has released the full route details and confirmed the route will include 17 sectors of cobbles, covering the final 85km of the men’s route and finishing in the iconic Roubaix velodrome.
The day will be 116.4km long and starts with three circuits around Denain, before joining the same route as the men after 31km. It means the women will race the five-star sectors Mons-en-Pévèle and Carrefour de l’Arbre.
ASO also released the men’s route, but it is pretty much unchanged from the brutal parcours fans will be used to seeing the peloton race.
1-0 Sam Bennett? Sprinter named in Deceuninck-Quick-Step line-up
Sam Bennett races Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen/Koolskamp with Deceuninck-Quickstep Friday.
Thats a big pay cut avoided for now pic.twitter.com/GFYKjdlqnL
— José Been (@TourDeJose) September 15, 2021
Someone get Patrick Lefevere somewhere to sit down…Sam Bennett has been named in the Deceuninck-Quick-Step squad for Friday’s Kampioenschap van Vlaanderen just days after his boss accused him of “playing with his balls in public” and threatened a pay cut. Racing, and thus avoiding three months of inactivity, should see those threats fizzle out to nothing…
Actor Eddie Marsan rants about cyclists ignoring red lights and bike lanes
And the weird thing is, where I live they’ve just installed two brilliant bike lanes for cyclists, but a lot of them don’t use it and still weave through the vehicle lanes, that have been narrowed to accommodate the cycle lanes.
— Eddie Marsan (@eddiemarsan) September 12, 2021
Nigel Havers and Christopher Biggins have company in the ‘actors ranting about cyclists’ club. The Happy-Go-Lucky and Hancock actor Eddie Marsan couldn’t help but have a pop at cyclists jumping red lights…which, in turn, became a rant about bike lanes, cyclists filtering too close and the Highway Code. So close to the bingo full house…
The 2way bike lanes in my area are brand spanking new. I’m not talking about overtaking bikes. I mean when I’m stuck in traffic, on a narrowed lane & the traffic starts to move & a bike suddenly appears on my inside I can’t give them the safe distance I’d like to, it’s dangerous
— Eddie Marsan (@eddiemarsan) September 12, 2021
Marsan’s in good company in the club…
Since going quiet about the Kensington High Street cycle lane, Havers’ This Morning segment has been pissing off popular restaurant critic Jay Rayner. While just the other week, Biggins was explaining why he voted for Brexit to Nigel Farage on GB News…
Anyway, rambling over, back to what you’re here for. The inevitable replies which followed…
I agree with you, thanks for the correction, I thought it was more, I always leave more but my point is, if lanes have been narrowed to accommodate a two lane cycle lane, surely there’s not enough room for a cyclist to safely pass on the inside.
— Eddie Marsan (@eddiemarsan) September 12, 2021
— EricEatsPickles (@EricEatsPickles) September 15, 2021
Aah Eddie love your stuff, but this is just inviting a pile on to all cyclists. One cyclist being a nob does not make all cyclists. If you’re a nob on a bike you’re likely to be a nob in a car etc. Please don’t categorise people based on an activity x
— Stewart N (@Stewz19701) September 12, 2021
Sonny Colbrelli shows off his new European champ's kit
🤩 🇪🇺 New look 🇪🇺🤩@sonnycolbrelli is showing off the new European Champion kit at @GiroToscana #RideAsOne pic.twitter.com/JcoTwx4ehD
— Team Bahrain Victorious (@BHRVictorious) September 15, 2021
It’s just a shame that glorious Italian national champion’s kit won’t be seen again…also…is that Italian champ’s Merida going to get scrapped, after just two months, for a European champ’s paint job? If so, you know where to send the old one…
British Cycling announces routes for 2021 HSBC National Road Championships
British Cycling has released details about this year’s HSBC UK National Road Championships, which will be held in Lincoln from 14-17 October. The championships, in a slightly unusual autumn slot in the calendar, will decide who wears the national champions’ jerseys and, for the first time, all time trial, circuit race and road race events will be held during the same week.
The road races are the main event, and both the men’s an women’s events will be held on Sunday 17 October and centre around the famous cobbled Michaelgate climb. The men will take in 13 laps (166km), the women eight (101km).
The time trial events are the first races of the week and will be contested on Thursday 14 October on a circuit with 500ft (152m) climbing per lap. This means the elite men will rack up 450m (1,500ft) of ascent during the 44.7km challenge. The women’s race is 29.4km.
“Lincoln’s roads have played host to some momentous bike races over the past five decades,” British Cycling CEO Brian Facer said. “Bringing the three championships together into a single week is great news for fans of our sport and highlights our commitment to evolving our major events.”
"Next year Fabio Jakobsen will be our man for the Tour": Patrick Lefevere says Cav is looking to cash in as contract talks stall
Patrick Lefevere’s been saying things again. Sorry if you’re bored — this time it’s about Cav…
The Deceuninck-Quick-Step team boss told Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws that Cavendish is looking to cash in on his success, quotes that imply the 36-year-old may be closer to an exit than signing a new deal. Earlier this week whispers circled that Cav and Lefevere were struggling to agree terms for the Manxman to extend his stay, largely due to disagreements about financial terms and Tour de France participation.
That’s despite the widely reported news that the team had offered Cav a one-year contract extension. Lefevere’s latest comments show the pair still don’t see eye-to-eye: “I respect Mark Cavendish. We saved his skin. We gave him all the tools. He took the challenge and he did it. And now it begins. Now he thinks it is time to cash in again.
“And then the next discussion begins, how much he should earn next year? That’s a very difficult one, even for me. I can hardly give someone who wins four stages in the Tour and the green jersey, four stages in the Tour of Turkey and a stage in the Tour of Belgium the same wage as this year. Mark Cavendish has sky-high expectations in that regard and I’m very realistic. That’s a difficult marriage.
“He’s now starting to talk to me about his image. He says: ‘with my image I am worth so much’. I say: ‘your image in London is different from your image in West Flanders, with all due respect’. None of my West-Flemish sponsors are going to make amends to pay Mark Cavendish a higher wage for his image.”
Another key sticking point appears to be Tour de France selection, something Lefevere cannot guarantee Cav, considering Fabio Jakobsen’s meteoric reappearance at La Vuelta a España. Jakobsen won three stages and is seen as a safer bet by Lefevere…
“That’s another thing. Mark always said the same thing: ‘Next year it’s up to Fabio, he’s the fastest in the world, he’s young, he has to go to the Tour’. Until he has now won four stages himself and has equalled Merckx’s record.
“Now I feel that he wants to go to the Tour again next year. But I will not go to the Tour with two sprinters next year. Next year Fabio Jakobsen will be our man for the Tour. I understand him: imagine if he can win one more in the Tour, then Cavendish will go down in history. But should I take the risk of sacrificing someone who might be faster than Mark? For a record which is essentially of no use to us as a team. And then, if he breaks the record, he might ask me for a bonus too.”
Brooklyn Bridge bike lane
New Brooklyn Bridge bike lane review: it good. pic.twitter.com/X1SQduJ29T
— Doug Gordon (@BrooklynSpoke) September 14, 2021
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I'm sure Scribe will be chuffed to bits referencing a pair of 3 year old wheels, another problem with hunts is you just never know what the prices are with the stupid sales it puts me off
Ards and North Down Cycling Campaign earlier this week held an event with local police encouraging drivers to leave a safe passing distance of 1.5m when overtaking cyclists This will achieve nothing whatsoever, because the drivers and the discouraged potential cyclists all know that the police postscript to the pretend encouragement is: 'but if you choose not to, don't worry because we have no intention of even thinking about enforcing the 1.5m distance, just like all the other UK police forces, and it doesn't matter if it's only 10% of that. Try not to hit them unless you have to get them out of the way, but if you do, scarper and you'll probably get away with it. If you've been drinking, just say you had a few drinks after you got home to calm your nerves after hitting what you thought was a fridge or a sack of potatoes, if they show up at your door.
Sadly, I feel that the reaction to this will be the same as the many multiple shootings that the US endures, every year - shock, tears and platitudes, swiftly returning to the status quo (untill the next time)
@Velo-drone I did not submit reports of either of the two heinous close passes I experienced with my daughter while on holiday there in half term But you could show them to us! I sent one to upRide today: it's the silver Kuga above, and will likely be viewable in a couple of days, and the long holdup on here can be sidestepped by simply omitting the 'h' from the https at the beginning of the link. It's all very easy to do. Other hosting sites are available.
@matthewn5 On which - I've not been there (and I've heard from a couple of cyclists online who say that they *are* good...) but I suspect the following blog post (from 2012 - As Easy As Riding A Bike) nails it: "They built it, and they didn’t come – the lesson of Milton Keynes" Verdict: the place was designed (1) for very convenient driving (not surprising - aspirational driving was the thing at the time, they had a blank canvas etc). (2) While the designer genuinely tried to provide for cyclists that comes across as "we need to get the cyclists off the roads because we fixed it for the cars to move fast". As is common (across the decades) in the UK it's nominal safety from motor vehicles but at major cost to convenience. Not to mention lack of social safety. FWIW there's also videos online by Alexei Sayle of him cycling around giant car parks there...
@mitsky Doesn't matter ..... Insurance / No insurance, License / No license These types will drive anyway!
@VIPcyclist Agree regarding cycle lanes, but the article is referring to cycle _tracks_ in Milton Keynes, which if I remember rightly are segregated but also don't run next to roads, so they're often quiet, dimly lit and secluded.
First, the actual change from issuing a bunch of "warning letters" to basically taking no action on anything is more or less no change to be honest. There is no evidence that sending a warning letter does anything. Not all forces even keep a record of warning letters. I'm aware of no actual empirical study of outcomes from sending a warning letter. Its main purpose therefore can only be to say that something has been done, rather than to actually improve road safety outcomes, because nobody cares enough to check if it achieves any outcome. It's the equivalent of finding a bike thief, and popping in a note through the door saying "please don't do that", and considering it an effective response. The apparent discrepancy between the NPCC position given early in the article, and the judgment later on that the Derbyshire policy "appears in line with the guidance" muddies the water considerably. There is a gaping lack of clarity over what police forces can and can't (or will and won't) do under the NPCC guidance. The suggestion for cyclists to provide speed measurements is silly - most cyclists don't have that capability, or won't be using it on e.g commuting rides. It's not clear why the speed of the cyclist is particularly relevant in any case? The Highway Code guidance relating to passing cyclists refers only to the speed of the motor vehicle. Saying you'll only take action in "exceptional circumstances" but not giving any indication what those circumstances might be is tantamount to saying "don't bother reporting, because it's 99% likely to be a complete waste of your and our time and we're not going to tell you how you might assess whether your case might be in the 1%" So, unsurprisingly the Derbyshire Police policy does seem to have at least one clear impact. I did not submit reports of either of the two heinous close passes I experienced with my daughter while on holiday there in half term. Why would I? Why would anyone? And why would it be a surprise that some drivers in Derbyshire choose to drive as if they have a free rein to endanger cyclists lives without fear of any consequence - because in fact they do. The notion that "forensic analysis" is needed to determine if a close pass is actionable or not is nonsensical. I would say laughable, but it's not really a laughing matter. It is not necessary to determine if the car is 140cm vs 151cm away. It is generally perfectly obvious whether the car is less than a car's width away, or more than a car's width away. That's sufficient to make a reasonable judgement on whether the driving could be considered careless or not - bearing in mind that the vast majority of actioned cases would be easily visually identifiable as substantially below that distance.
@Pub bike 10,000 men find out a year they’ve got prostate cancer too late. We need to get those numbers down. There’s no screening unfortunately in the UK There's no blanket overall prostate cancer screening because the experts in the UK National Screening Committee have decided that it would do more harm than good. It's not because of cost, it's because the PSA test is not that good. There are big trials in progress to improve testing. When it comes down to PSA testing of specific groups, such as those with a genuine family history, the risk-benefit balance may well be different. I suspect thar Sir Chris has had at least tacit approval of his "just google ‘prostate cancer UK risk checker’ and there’s three questions, it takes you 30 seconds and that will help you assess your individual risk. If you’re high risk, go to your GP and ask for a PSA, a blood test" advice so it's probably reasonable. I am 74 and have never taken a PSA test. I have no family history I know about. 'Better to be safe than sorry' is bad advice when it comes to prostate cancer screening.
81 thoughts on “Actor Eddie Marsan rants about cyclists ignoring red lights and bike lanes; New Cav deal looks unlikely; Calls for infra after crash; 1-0 Sam Bennett; Reaction to L2B train ban; Bad parking; AOC’s cycling dress; Tour of Britain doc + more on the live blog”
I don’t think Saif did
I don’t think Saif did anything wrong in overtaking, that is a wide bus lane and the road space was used approprately. You could beat yourself up about not approaching the junction with caution but the cyclist (indeed any legal vehicles in the bus lane) have right of way. The car driver is probably only looking out for a Bus and their view is blocked by the SUV and large white van.
It does look like the SUV has probably “flashed the car” to turn but the car should not assume that the SUV is giving clearance to turn and that the way is clear.
I would send that video to the police as that is driving without due care and attention and you presumably have an insurance report to file.
I agree – the car driver
I agree – the car driver should have ensured that it was safe to make that turn. Also, the SUV was positioned really badly so it was blocking the lane that the car should have been turning into and contributed to the lack of visibility of the turning car to the cyclist.
I think you’re right. As this
I think you’re right. As this has nearly happened to me in the past, as a driver, I no longer flash my lights and follow the HC; ‘Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.’
This is exactly why the rule was written in the way it was. Whilst the HC is not perfect is does tend to predict all the conflict areas. Now we just need to get people to read it.
A flash can only be
A flash can only be interpreted as “I am giving way to you” and never as “It is safe for you to make the maneouvre”
wycombewheeler wrote:
I wouldn’t even go that far
HWC 110
Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.
wycombewheeler wrote:
In fact they should only be interpreted as “Here I am”; and perhaps additionally inferred as, “… and my headlamps work (at least they did just then)”.
If you look at where the
If you look at where the Range Rover is stopped and the space out in front of him/her, it looks as though they stopped there to allow the turning car to turn
Seagull2 wrote:
I think you’re correct. All that needs to be ascertained now is why the Peugeot (?) driver felt it was appropriate to commit to crossing a cycle lane before checking whether it was clear….
Captain Badger wrote:
I thought it was a bus lane rather than a cycle lane which makes it even more important for the driver to check that it’s clear or at least go slow enough so that they can stop if it isn’t. I don’t believe they had a good view of the bus lane from that angle.
hawkinspeter wrote:
Yes, spot on.
But on the basis even a
But on the basis even a single decker bus will dwarf a Rangie, they only looked for buses
If you look at the speed
If you look at the speed camera sign, you can see the reflection of a couple of flashes – probably from the range rover. Their positioning was abysmal, they ought to have kept going, not stop blocking half the junction.
You shouldn’t give way by flashing headlights, it’s much better to anticipate early and allow a big gap to develop.
Seagull2 wrote:
If I’d been riding down there the exact same thing would have happened to me. Why? Because the Range Rover isn’t stopped before the junction but half way across it. I wouldn’t have expected it to have stopped to allow a car to turn into the junction.
Youre on a bike. you have to
Youre on a bike. you have to ride defensively. If you see a car stopped by a junction like that back off a bit . anything could come through. Its doesnt matter who stopped where if you cant see make it so you can see and have time. Ive ridden motorcycles and cycles for years and thats one of the classic accidents.
I actually agree with you on
I actually agree with you on this one. You have to be a bit more defensive with these side roads and queues.
Looks like it was that
Looks like it was that classic saying “It’s not who was right, but who was left”! Speedy undertaking (yes, on a legitimate lane) is always going to carry an elevated risk and it would have been very difficult for the Peugot driver to see and evaluate the speed of an approaching cyclist. IMO, I still think it was the Peugot driver’s fault, 100%, but I can’t help thinking that many of us would have made a similar error if driving so it might have been better for the cyclist to slow right down and only proceed with caution. Just my opinion though, we all make our own risk evaluations in life.
When driving now, I am much
When driving now, I am much more cautious than I was in my 20s.
If it is clear, I will be near or at the speed limit but where I see a heightened hazard, I am much slower than most. Lost count on country lanes where I have avoided an collision simply by approaching bends expecting someone to be coming the otherway.
The biking thing I do now is out in the country approaching a give way, always stop (or nearly stop) 5m from the junction thus allowing for the numerous corner cutters who would otherwise knock me off.
Also a small point. don’t hug
Also a small point. don’t hug the cars if your filtering. be further left in the bus lane gives you more time to react to anything coming through from your right and visibility on the left is very good anyway..
nicmason wrote:
Yeah, it’s best to not overtake just before a junction. I had another look and he did get fully in front of the other cyclist but if it were me I might have waited until after the junction (unless I was in an overtaking mood). Additionally, the van starts braking as the cyclist had just pulled out and had started his overtake – that would set off my squirrely-sense and I’d likely abort/delay the overtake until I could see why the van was slowing.
For me this falls squarely
For me this falls squarely into the category of motorist to blame, but cyclist could have avoided this happening (see also doorings where the cyclist could / should have left a bigger gap). The real value in posts like this (and NMOTD) and the ensuing discussion is helping us as cyclists learn to spot the warning signs of when situations like this might occur and avoid it happening to us.
nicmason wrote:
Fully agree with that. But it doesn’t/shouldn’t mean he was at fault in terms of liability for the collision or damage/injury.
What kind of ‘proper infra’
What kind of ‘proper infra’ would have prevented that ?
Some dutch thing where there
Some dutch thing where there is an ‘upramp’.
Although I don’t think that they are applicable to all circumstances.
But I’d assume it’s the
But I’d assume it’s the presumed liability not the ramp itself that’s the key to that working ultimately.
I dunno,its just in that bit at least it’s already working as ‘proper infra’ would, the rest of it looks like a car park which seems a bit odd for a dedicated bus lane, but theres no combination of physical barrier or paint on road that’s going to stop a vehicle turning across a lane if the driver perceives there to be a gap…IMO.
Awavey wrote:
Hoverbikes. On the cycle to work scheme.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyCycle_(proposed_transport_project)
And it would only take 20 years to complete so sounds perfect for hitting Khan’s vision zero target (zero road deaths / injuries by the time that the proposer is likely to qualify for a free bus pass – allowing for retirement age inflation).
https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9ZBLsvqkUA
If it saves one life… Bonus points as they could be forced to stop at red lights, be prevented from filtering and there’s space for a licence plate too.
The former Flamingo Land one looks a bit more realistic in there’s a chance of falling off.
Coolest one was found by hawkinspeter – from New Zealand?
Realistically there will
Realistically there will always be some interaction with motorised vehicles (until they’re restricted to motorways and track days…). Nothing involving humans is infallible – including self-driving vehicles. Seems the keys in design are a) reducing the cognitive load and b) ensuring everyone knows exactly what is expected – so as much standardisation as possible. Both problematic apparently for many of the designers / powers that be in the UK…
Continuous footway / cycle track: https://bristolwalkingalliance.org.uk/continuous-footways/
The best infra doesn’t necessarily mean cycle tracks next to roads – or even cycle tracks at all: http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/segregationwithoutcyclepaths
I’m inclined to agree with
I’m inclined to agree with “cyclinggrump” – even good cycling infrastructure still has junctions and relies on other road users looking properly and giving way where required to do so. I suppose it’s possible that with the right infrastructure the driver might have been more likely to consider the liklihood of an approaching cyclist.
On the parking tweet – most
On the parking tweet – most (yes, most!) motorists seem to think that they can pretty much park where they want nowadays. There is so little enforcement, so, hey…
(watched some bloke yesterday park on double yellows and on a painted cycle lane, on a narrow road with a junction; he put his big white van’s hazard warning lights on, locked up and disappeared for a half hour or so. He came back, got something out, and went off again. I watched him go, and he was working in a building on the other side of the main road, maybe 150 metres away. I mean: he could have used the multi storey car park opposite that building, but…).
Yep, parking is a nightmare.
Yep, parking is a nightmare. I live close to a Deli which has double yellows on both sides of the road about 50m either side of the Deli as there are multiple junctions nearby. And every single day from about 11am to 2pm there will be multiple cars and vans on the double yellow lines with their hazard warning lights on when they are in the deli.
It’s been raised with the council as it is frankly dangerous as one of the junctions is completely unsighted from the main road, and its so easy to come round the corner face to face with a car passing the vehicles parked on the double yellows
Roadcc wrote:
Even the cyclist himself admitted he was partially culpable, so I’m not sure why people wouldn’t note that he wasn’t cycling in a sensibly defensive position.
However, this case highlights the pathetic SUVs that take up an increasing amount of space on our roads. If Range Rover driver had instead been driving a normally sized car™, then both cyclist and turning driver would have had a clear line of sight and the accident most likely wouldn’t have happened.
There really is no need for the vast majority of these kind of cars to be on the roads, and it’s high time something was done about them.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
Nigel has been kidnapped or is a victim of identity theft. Where is the real Nigel?
There was a very good comment
There was a very good comment on fake chains too…
Nigel Garrage wrote:
When I was sitting on the footpath after crashing my bike avoiding a woman who ran across the road in front of me I blamed myself, thinking “Damn, it I should have anticipated that.” But she was still at fault.
The same in this situation. The Peugeot driver was the one who caused the collision. the cyclist blamed himself for not anticipating and avoiding it.
As for the SUV, whether or not cars that big are necessary or not is irrelevant. If it hadn’t been there, its place could have been taken by a Transit which would have had much the same effect. I don’t like them but if we banned all the things I don’t like it would be a dreary, uninteresting world. (If we banned everything anybody disliked there’d be nothing left. 🙂 )
Nigel Garrage wrote:
I don’t think culpability means what you think it means. Noting that you didn’t take every measure possible to defend yourself does not make you responsible for someone else’s negligence or criminality. If you really dig into it the people outside Fishmongers Hall could have better protected themselves by wearing stabvests and carrying cans of mace with them every day, but no one in their right mind would suggest they were culpable for their own murders.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
With regards to the culpability side of it, I disagree. I think you need to ask yourself one question.
Would any motorist say that a pedestrian had any culpability in a situation where the pedestrian was crossing a road at a
pedestrian crossing and a cyclist ran a red lightZebra crossing when the pedestrian was already more than half way across the road and a cyclist collided with the pedestrian?The answer is of course no!!! But the pedestrian could have looked and spotted the approaching cyclist and thereby avoided being struck by them.
The Beeb have just picked up
The Beeb have just picked up the Wiltshire rozzer fail :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-wiltshire-58558802
Grab your popcorn.
Yep BBC stating cyclists had
Yep BBC stating cyclists had problem with his manovre and showing it to be actuially almost text book. Then they cut the video to show them surrounding the poor motorist when they “caught up” to him and not having to avoid piling into the back after he brake checks them. Anyone seeing that cut and description will be thinking cyclists are bullies protesting on an actually suprisingly safe manouvre considering what a wankstain he turned out to be (beep not withstanding).
“Motorist punches cyclists in the head after braking suddently in front to complain about perfectly legal road use from them” is more apt.
Time for another BBC
Time for another BBC complaint, I reckon.
Edit: Just hammered out this complaint:
As the removed section was only 10-15 seconds in length, it raises the question as to why the BBC felt this was necessary unless they are trying to change the narrative to make it appear as though the cyclists were attempting to surround the car and intimidate the driver.
that video does not show a
that video does not show a brake check. it doesnt show the car after its gone past the group. your assuming it from the cyclists reaction. that might be right but its not in the video.
nicmason wrote:
Just realised that you’re distinguishing between actually seeing the car perform a brake check and the effects of that. I think it’s disingenous for the BBC to cut out that bit as it’s obvious what happened.
nicmason wrote:
You are corret in that the brake check isn’ shown, however it does show that the driver had stopped immediatly after passing, if it wasn’t a brake check then he stopped for an obstruction which should have been visible prior to his overtake and the need to stop so sharply should have cancelled out need/desire to overtake. Either way round it is at least driving without due care and attention
EK Spinner wrote:
There was approx 12 seconds between his overtake and the “brake check”.
I have also sent a complaint
I have also sent a complaint in along the same lines and have requested a response to the factually inaccurate news article.
Highlighting the video description and how it was the driver that started the entire incident. I won’t hold my breath regarding a reply.
I won’t hold my breath
I won’t hold my breath regarding a reply
This, in Lancashire at least, is the main police weapon in the cover up of the idleness endemic in Traffic Police. There has been no reply, despite reminders, to a letter of 26th July asking about the action taken over this 13th July close passing incident. It is obvious, as will be emphasised in my PCC complaint, that absolutely no action was taken and they don’t want to admit anything in print. When they won’t tell you, it means they just filed the complaint in the bin. He was right over the double white line as well- but that isn’t regarded as an offence in Lancashire
hawkinspeter wrote:
The BBC also describe his wife as having fallen off her bike, as opposed to being knocked off her bike by the idiots car.
I have also just noticed that the car had come to a halt during the brake check, he then pulled forward while being passed by the group of riders, surely that in itself is driving without due care
I have also just noticed that
I have also just noticed that the car had come to a halt during the brake check, he then pulled forward while being passed by the group of riders, surely that in itself is driving without due care
Which is omitted from the BBC footage, just him driving forward surrounded by cyclists after “they caught up with him” to “complain about the bad pass”.
I made sure that part was
I made sure that part was added to my complaint to the BBC.
“In reality, during the removed footage the driver performed a brake check manoeuvre with a view to having the cyclists involved crash into the back of their vehicle. As the cyclists passed the driver he began to accelerate, and when the ride leader tried to de-escalate the situation the driver then began the assault of the cyclist. Therefore the entire confrontation was instigated by the motorist but the edited video does not show the true facts of the incident.”
Grabbing hold of someone’s
Grabbing hold of someone’s wing mirror, however much of a dangerous dork they have been, is emphatically NOT ‘de-escalating’!!
Flintshire Boy wrote:
I am just using the language that was given in the original road.cc piece on the matter and the language used by the cyclist in the later part of the video on the BBC.
But just remember the average person who will watch the video and read the article will watch up to the point in the video which has the narrative saying when the cyclists caught up with him, or words to that effect. Which is implying that the cyclists went looking for trouble. Whereas in reality if the driver had simply went on his way this would have been a non event
EK Spinner wrote:
Oh, come on!? Seriously??
hawkinspeter wrote:
Good luck with that; the BBC is institutionally anti-cyclist. I’ve no idea why, but they indisputably are and have been for at least 40 years. None of my complaints succeeded, despite overwhelming evidence, but when you’re judge and jury in your own case, as the BBC is, they are very rarely going to find themselves guilty. As one famous reporter said, who’s name escapes me, the BBC complaints process exists solely to exonerate their staff.
EDIT; it was Kate Adie.
The BBC is concerned about
The BBC is concerned about the treatment of minority groups but not cyclists – they use the BBC to attack them.
Highway Code
Highway Code
3. Road junctions (170 to 183)
170. Take extra care at junctions. You should watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists, powered wheelchairs/mobility scooters and pedestrians as they are not always easy to see.
180. Wait until there is a safe gap between you and any oncoming vehicle. Watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists, pedestrians and other road users.
183. When turning give way to any vehicles using a bus lane, cycle lane or tramway from either direction.
Absolutely NOT your fault
Absolutely NOT your fault Saif. Just because you could have prevented it by riding extra cautiously does not make you culpable.
Who is Eddie Marsan and why
Who is Eddie Marsan and why should I care what he tweets about ?
He talks about the brilliant
He talks about the brilliant cycle lanes installed near him. However, I wonder if he’s ever used them? I wonder if there’s any particular reason, not obvious to someone who doesn’t use them, for why cyclists don’t all use them…?
Some googling states he lives
Some googling states he lives in Chiswick, some other googling about new Chiswick cycle lanes mentions some temporary ones made permanent. Finally this piece from a cyclist proponent which seems to indicate why some more experienced cycists might not always use them.
Just read that piece. Noted
Just read that piece – so I see that there is a reason why cyclists might not be using that shiny new cycle lane.
Also noted this bit:
Obviously explains why Bristol put their two-way cycle lane along the side of Baldwin Street (which has ‘stuff’ on both sides of the road) and on the side that has the majority of the side streets…
Hmm.
Awavey wrote:
I’ve honestly no idea. An actor apparently, but even having googled him I don’t recognise him or the things he’s been in.
PRSboy wrote:
I’ve honestly no idea. An actor apparently, but even having googled him I don’t recognise him or the things he’s been in.— Awavey
I recognise him from The World’s End (part 3 of the Cornetto trilogy) and looking on IMDB, he’s done loads of stuff. I keep meaning to watch Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell which has him as Mr Norrell.
Anyhow, being a successful actor does not qualify him to know what he’s talking about regarding transportation and by the look of things, he’s clueless or getting paid to say certain things.
hawkinspeter wrote:
If you enjoyed the book of Strange & Norrell, Peter, DO NOT watch the tv adaptation. You have been warned.
brooksby wrote:
Haven’t read it, so I should be okay, though my to-watch list grows quicker than I can get through it.
hawkinspeter wrote:
Haven’t read it, so I should be okay, though my to-watch list grows quicker than I can get through it.— brooksby
Read the book. don’t bother with the series
Edit: REALLY don’t bother with the series
But definitely read the book
Captain Badger wrote:
I’m only allowed to add one ‘like’, Cap’n; sorry
Yep, I checked IMDb, I’ve
Yep, I checked IMDb, I’ve seen stuff he’s been in but not a name or face I recognise at all, and not sure why his twittering on cyclists is of note particularly other than hes continuing to argue about it after 3 days of back & forth with people !!
He is one of the “that guy”
He is one of the “that guy” actors were they star in loads and people will go “oh it’s that guy” but never know the name. I think the Americans call then “character actors” where people know them for their characters but not there real names.
I suspect he did have a complaint about his a cyclist going through red when his kids were about to cross. Unfortunately he then decided to give a rant on other bits instead of leaving it there.
It’s like when you’re
It’s like when you’re watching a programme and vaguely recognise an actor and then you suddenly realise that you’ve actually been Gary Oldman all the time!
hawkinspeter wrote:
I can honestly say that I’ve never realised that I’ve actually been Gary Oldman all the time. If I do, can I have his money?
Rendel Harris wrote:
That’s the power of his acting – you wouldn’t even know until you suddenly hear a director’s voice in the background saying ‘cut’ and the realisation dawns.
To be fair I was wondering
To be fair I was wondering what that Oscar was doing in the downstairs lavatory…
Rendel Harris wrote:
Usually one of two things
Brilliant actor, one of our
Brilliant actor, one of our finest. Although I do tend to get him muddled up with Stephen Graham, in much the same way I struggle with Di Caprio & Damon.
kil0ran wrote:
I loved Stephen Graham in Boardwalk Empire as Al Capone – he was superb. That series was stuffed full with great actors including the recently deceased Michael Kenneth Williams (also great in Lovecraft Country).
Ask him what lawbreaking
Ask him what lawbreaking motorists do and what should be done to stop them from breaking the law.
I’m beginning to suspect that
I’m beginning to suspect that Patrick Lefevere is a bit of a dick.
AidanR wrote:
Actually thats quite restrained and rational for him and makes brutal sense. Talking to the press appears to be one of his major negotiating/positioning strategies, and coming fresh off of Sam Bennett turning back up for work after some trash talking he has reason to believe it works. Very distasteful though.
The washing is all hanging
The washing is all hanging out to dry. No way Cav is staying now.
Quote:
WELL FACKING GET ON YOUR FACKING BIKE AND FACKING USE THEM
Yet another celeb, Eddie
Yet another celeb, Eddie Marsan (who?) feels the need to criticise one group of road users, implying that they are worse than any other group; if only. Maybe if he looked at the data for the number of people killed by each group, he’d stop spending quite so much time on cyclists, and look at the real problem; drivers.
Of course he won’t; the hypocrite drives a car and he isn’t really worried about the people killed and injured every day by them, he’s just another cycle hater.