“This is what happens when you ‘other’ cyclists”: Facebook users engage in “depressing” anti-cycling rant under post about child struck in hit-and-run; BBC blasted for bike lane debate; Ferrand-Prévot joins Ineos; Sprint argy bargy + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
Some potent symbolism for our modern times…
I can’t think of anything more symbolic of the current state of affairs on our roads than a billboard that blocks half the pavement advertising an app that sends cars down every quiet residential street across the country pic.twitter.com/p1KNSKiK0V
— Harry Gray (@HarryHamishGray) October 11, 2022
Pauline Ferrand-Prévot joins Ineos Grenadiers’ off-road line-up as British squad’s first female rider
Newly crowned gravel world champion Pauline Ferrand-Prévot has signed a two-year deal with the Ineos Grenadiers, becoming the British squad’s first ever female rider.
🌈🌈 PFP 🤝 INEOS Grenadiers 🌈🌈
Pauline @FERRANDPREVOT becomes the newest member of the team, bolstering our off-road roster from next season.
Welcome, Pauline 👋https://t.co/KpeT5euKvT pic.twitter.com/a7kQLjz0Yx
— INEOS Grenadiers (@INEOSGrenadiers) October 12, 2022
The 30-year-old French superstar – whose win in Citadella on Saturday marked her fourth world title in the space of two months after a dominant performance at the mountain bike world championships earlier this summer – will be supported by Ineos as she builds up to the 2024 Paris Olympics.
Ferrand-Prévot is one of the most decorated all-round cyclists of the past decade, winning 13 elite rainbow jerseys across four disciplines, including mountain biking, road, cyclocross and most recently on the gravel, and the 30-year-old has now firmly set her sights on winning that illusive gold in the mountain bike race at her home Olympics.
> Multi-discipline stars dominate inaugural gravel world championships
“Signing with the Ineos Grenadiers is a dream for me,” the Frenchwoman said in a statement this morning. “I’m super excited to be joining the off road team and becoming part of a wider group of riders and the Ineos family of athletes. The Ineos Grenadiers’ professionalism is world-renowned and I have always admired the team’s ethos and spirit.
“To have the 2024 Olympics in Paris is huge for me. I want to be the best rider I can be in front of a home crowd and that will be my main goal over the next two years.
“An Olympic gold medal is the only one missing from my palmares so it’s the one I want the most. It was a key reason to join this adventure with the Ineos Grenadiers. I still have a lot of things to learn and it is the best team to help me reach my goal.”
Alex Broadway/SWpix.com
Ferrand-Prévot will also add another string to the Ineos Grenadiers’ off-road bow, with the British squad already supporting Tom Pidcock’s cyclocross and mountain bike ambitions, as well as his fledgling career on the road.
“Signing a world-class rider like Pauline is a huge boost as we grow the number of multi-disciplinary athletes racing as Grenadiers,” says the team’s deputy principal Rod Ellingworth.
“Pauline is a unique talent. Her palmares speaks for itself, especially after just winning four world titles in the space of two months. But what sets her apart and makes her a great addition to the Grenadiers is her drive and grit. She loves the sport and is a natural born racer and that comes through in the way she rides.
“Pauline is on her own journey to try and win gold at her home Olympics and this is an area where we thrive and have proven success. We are excited to support that ambition and help her achieve her goals over the coming years.”
Alex Broadway/SWpix.com
Ferrand-Prévot’s first major target in Ineos colours will be the 2023 cyclocross world championships in Hoogerheide at the start of February, where she will be looking to secure her second elite world title in the discipline – and her 14th career rainbow jersey.
“Don’t threaten me with a good time”
Since we’re on the subject of cycling to school…
Don’t threaten me with a good time pic.twitter.com/y74xcuOzPP
— Edward Lamb (@edwardlamb) October 11, 2022
‘No KOMs? Poor show’: Harry Tanfield uploads...*checks notes*... “Mad water park sesh” to Strava
Now this is the kind of Strava activity I can get behind…
More mayhem from Molano in chaotic Tour de Langkawi sprint
UAE Team Emirates’ Juan Sebastián Molano may have won stage two of the Tour de Langkawi earlier today (yep, that’s right, there’s still some bike racing on), but the Colombian sprinter is once again making headlines for all the wrong reasons after yet another spot of mid-bunch argy bargy.
In the final 300 metres of a messy bunch gallop in Raub, a boxed-in Molano appears to have taken one hand off the handlebars to push Team UKYO’s Dutchman Raymond Kreder, an infringement spotted by Eurosport-GCN commentator Brian Smith when viewing a replay of the sprint.
Molano just took his hands off the handlebars to shove another rider out of the way and then almost crashed Max Kanter out by shooting across the road. Hard to see, definite relegation if you ask me, maybe more than a relegation #LTdL2022
— Jens Dekker (@jens_dekker) October 12, 2022
This is the moment he takes his hands of the bars to push someone out of the way pic.twitter.com/GhTBYGygzU
— Jens Dekker (@jens_dekker) October 12, 2022
The 27-year-old, who won the final stage of this year’s Vuelta a a España in Madrid, then ducks and dives his way through the melee – seemingly impeding Movistar’s Max Kanter in the process, forcing the German to pull the pin on his sprint – before emerging victorious.
Molano’s move against Kanter in #LTdL2022
Watch the moment the camera switches pic.twitter.com/9QXRYEWM4X— Jens Dekker (@jens_dekker) October 12, 2022
Molano’s rather eventful final few hundred metres in Raub isn’t the first time this year that the Colombian has reacted rather too aggressively in the bunch.
Back in June, the UAE Team Emirates rider was disqualified from the Criterium du Dauphiné after engaging in a spot of fisticuffs with French neo-pro Hugo Page.
“You cannot hit somebody on the head!”
See the moment where Juan Sebastian Molano appears to lash out at Hugo Page 👀👀#Dauphine pic.twitter.com/ph7ieM5vVP
— Eurosport (@eurosport) June 10, 2022
The incident, which happened with just over nine kilometres to go, saw Molano grab hold of either green jersey wearer Page or his bike – while travelling at roughly 70kph – after the 20-year-old Intermarché rider drifted across the Colombian’s path.
Molano then gave the Frenchman an earful before landing what appeared to be a pretty heavy punch to Page’s head, after which his teammates pleaded with their sprinter to calm.
The two riders – who both then sprinted to places in the top 15, Molano even brazenly leading the bunch home – continued their argument after the finish line in Gap, with a clearly furious Molano hitting Page again at least once as Danish TV cameraman filmed the off-bike altercation.
— Cycling out of context (@OutOfCycling) June 10, 2022
Unsurprisingly, the commissaires decided to disqualify the UAE Team Emirates man, who naturally blamed Page for the whole sorry debacle, from the Dauphiné.
At the time of writing, Molano seems to have escaped the same fate at the Tour de Langkawi, with his third victory of the season remaining in the record books.
“This first win for me in Malaysia is very nice for the team,” the Colombian told reporters at the finish lined. “They’ve worked hard for me. It’s important to finish the season well and win again after the last stage of La Vuelta.
“I made it to the front with 2km to go then it was about velocity.”
And maybe a few other things, eh?
Flanders Classics announce dates for 2023 races
We’re super excited to share our 2023 road races calendar! 😍 pic.twitter.com/CrkrwaNz6Z
— Flanders Classics (@FlandersClassic) October 12, 2022
I know, I know, it’s only October. But surely I’m not the only one about to spend their lunch hour researching accommodation in Oudenaarde?
‘A week in Flanders’: Now there’s a feature idea I should pitch to the editor…
Compare and contrast
Picture 1 from a press release from a UK police force.
Total bollocks, as Picture 2 from DfT stats 2020 shows. pic.twitter.com/5L0s5OO7Cs— Simon MacMichael 🏴🇮🇹🇪🇺❤️💙🚲 (@simonmacmichael) October 11, 2022
road.cc’s Simon posted this nugget from a Warwickshire Police press release yesterday, which claims that “most people don’t speed” and that only a “few” do.
Simon then usefully shared a screenshot from the Department for Transport’s stats for 2020, which showed that – despite Warwickshire Police’s claims – over half of UK drivers failed to comply with the speed limit on motorways and on 30mph roads (you know, the ones where people are).
Live blog regular Rendel was, as ever, helpfully on hand to explain where the police force may have gone wrong:
They accidentally excised the phrase “,or at least not to a level we can be bollocksed to do anything about,” after “speed”.
— Rendel Harris (@Rendel_Harris) October 11, 2022
Jumbo-Visma reportedly set to race on SRAM in 2023
While Dutch star Bauke Mollema has had a turbulent, on-again, off-again relationship with SRAM (or, to paraphrase Bauke, ‘effing SRAM!’), the biggest Dutch team, Jumbo-Visma, is reportedly set to switch over to the American component manufacturer for 2023.
While Shimano has supplied components and equipment for the team since its inception as Rabobank in 1996, Wielerflits reports that SRAM made an offer that the Japanese manufacturer was unwilling to match.
Though Jumbo-Visma are yet to confirm the reports, if Shimano – which has a European headquarters in Eindhoven – does step aside, the Dutch Tour de France-winning squad will be free to negotiate with other clothing and equipment suppliers (apart from helmet supplier Lazer, which has an ongoing contract).
If SRAM have agreed a deal, Jumbo-Visma will become the third WorldTour team to use the American company’s components, after Trek-Segafredo and Movistar.
Shimano, however, would remain the most popular component supplier, counting the Ineos Grenadiers and Quick Step-Alpha Vinyl among their 14 top-tier squads.
Update: Juan Sebastián Molano relegated for “irregular sprinting” at Tour de Langkawi
It may have taken five hours, but the commissaires at the Tour de Langkawi finally made up their minds to relegate the UAE Team Emirates rider for his erratic and dangerous riding during today’s bunch sprint:
Juan Sebastian Molano has been disqualified for irregular sprinting. Stage 2 winner is Australia’s Craig Wiggins (ARA Sunshine Coast). #PETRONASletourdelangkawi2022
— PETRONAS Le Tour de Langkawi 2022 (@ltdlangkawi) October 12, 2022
Better late than never, I suppose.
So, for anyone at home keeping score, Molano’s record for 2022 currently stands as: Race wins 2-2 DSQs.
An entertaining draw then, with a surprise last-minute equaliser worthy of Troy Deeney and the 2013 Championship play-off semi-final…
Sustrans criticises Jim Allister, Stephen Nolan and BBC Radio Ulster for “lazy” anti-cycling bingo debate on bike lanes
“If cycling provision is underused it is because people don’t feel safe” – Cllr @Briansmyth99 defends cycle lanes and calls for a culture change
Podcast 📲 @BBCSounds pic.twitter.com/Cq7mgRX4KD
— The Nolan Show, BBC (@BBCNolan) October 11, 2022
Northern Ireland’s Minister for Infrastructure, John O’Dowd, has received quite a bit of stick lately for his apparent unwillingness to promote and invest in much-needed cycling infrastructure.
Last month, we reported on the live blog that Cycling UK had criticised the Sinn Féin MLA for rejecting his pre-election promise to delver an Active Travel Act, with the charity claiming that – by ignoring cycling and walking – O’Dowd was “neglecting Northern Ireland’s future as he locks us all into a fossil-fuelled dark age”.
This week, however, the Minister came under fire from the other side of the debate as the Traditional Unionist Voice (TUV) leader Jim Allister slammed O’Dowd for “prioritising the luxury of cycle lanes” while road maintenance expenditure was being cut.
(For those of you not familiar with the minutiae of Northern Irish politics, Jim’s ‘party’ is largely a one-man show which sits politically to the right of the DUP as a kind of pressure group. Think Farage-era UKIP, but with a leader actually able to win an election.)
In an interview with everyone’s favourite shock jock (it’s a crowded field these days, to be fair) Stephen Nolan, Allister said that “there is nothing wrong with cycle lanes. But what’s wrong is the overfunding of cycle lanes to the detriment of road maintenance.”
The interview (which can be listened to here) then descended into a mammoth game of anti-cycling bingo, which included assertions from the TUV MLA that cycle lanes are underused, that no-one cycles in the winter or in bad weather, that cyclists use the roads rather than available bike lanes, that funding should prioritise “the majority” (i.e. car users), along with some classic allusions to discomfort, lycra and so-called “road tax”.
While Green Party councillor Brian Smyth offered a compelling counterargument on air that Northern Ireland has, for decades, lagged behind the rest of the UK in terms of active travel funding, the NI branch of Sustrans also felt the need to dispel some of the myths perpetuated by Allister’s spot on Nolan’s show:
Listening to the public broadcaster @BBCRadioUlster you would expect a balanced discussion about @JimAllister remarks instead @StephenNolan mocked the very idea of #cycling so here’s some rebuttals to today’s show. A #thread https://t.co/M82wMUajcv
— Sustrans in Northern Ireland (@SustransNI) October 11, 2022
Sadly, most people can barely afford a car or to run one these days and have discovered not only is cycling cheaper but it’s fun, gets them exercise & they don’t need a gym membership #CostOfLivingCrisis https://t.co/06E32yvvwt
— Sustrans in Northern Ireland (@SustransNI) October 11, 2022
Cycle lanes v roads. It’s not a binary choice. People can cycle on roads, they’re not just for cars. Many cyclists want protected cycle lanes because they feel safer, especially women & children. #WalkingandCyclingIndex found 65% want cycle tracks physically separated from roads pic.twitter.com/3iZyyM8lzs
— Sustrans in Northern Ireland (@SustransNI) October 11, 2022
Weather worries? Only around 3 journeys in 20 (15%) were affected by rain on cycle commutes in Belfast, according to study by @deptinfra https://t.co/N9DlQAaHg5 pic.twitter.com/ZbhRbMXUv5
— Sustrans in Northern Ireland (@SustransNI) October 11, 2022
“I’m nearly 50 why would I cycle…” Older people can and should cycle. There are clear health benefits to staying active as you get older. An e-bike is also a great option for those less fit or who have long distances, or hills to tackle. pic.twitter.com/ZQGRE1vU5D
— Sustrans in Northern Ireland (@SustransNI) October 11, 2022
And so while @JimAllister and clearly @bbcradioulster @StephenNolan seemingly begrudge any funding for cycle lanes, we languish on the bottom rung of active travel investment in all of the UK & Ireland:
🚴♂️£7 per head in N.Ireland
✅£25 Scotland
✅£23 Wales
👏£66 in Rep Ireland pic.twitter.com/004s5BDDy4— Sustrans in Northern Ireland (@SustransNI) October 11, 2022
Shell makes its British Cycling debut at Track World Championships
It’s the moment we’ve all been waiting for…
Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com
I don’t know about you but I’m getting strong 1980s nostalgia vibes – and not just because of the sartorial references to Robert Millar-era Peugeot…
So, what’s the plans for 2023 lads? Geraint Thomas unsure of Tour de France return – and future in cycling – while UAE boss rules out Pogačar Giro-Tour double attempt and Evenepoel eyes Italian success
The season may still be alive and kicking for the likes of Matteo Trentin, who took a routine win at the Giro del Veneto this afternoon, but for others, plans for 2023 are already being pencilled into the diary.
In an interview with Cyclingnews and Velo News, 2018 Tour de France winner Geraint Thomas admitted that he may not make a return to the race he finished on the podium of earlier this summer, in what could be his final season as a pro bike racer.
“I don’t even know if I will do the Tour, to be honest,” the 36-year-old Welshman said. “Maybe the Giro. I don’t know. It’s all up in the air, really.
“We have to sit down and work out what I want to do. It could be my last year as well. I want to make the most of it.
“In the winter, I will sit down with my wife and decide what I want to do,” Thomas continued. “She’s keen for me to carry on. It’s more about how I feel. It’s a lot of time away all the time. It would be nice to do something new, but I am not also wishing it to go away quicker. I will decide what I will do.”
Meanwhile, UAE Team Emirates’ sport manager Joxean Fernández Matxín has ruled out a possible – and tantalising – crack at the elusive Giro-Tour double in 2023 for recent Tour of Lombardy winner Tadej Pogačar.
“The Tour de France is the priority,” Fernández Matxín told Slovenian newspaper Siol. “Next year’s Giro ends just about three weeks before the start of the Tour. Competing in two such races in such a short space of time is a big thing.”
Nevertheless, the UAE Team Emirates manager did not dismiss the possibility of the Slovenian star one day attempting to become only the eighth rider in history – and the first since Marco Pantani in 1998 – to win cycling’s two biggest grand tours in the same year.
cauldphoto/Specialized
For the other man of the moment, Remco Evenepoel, the Giro seems to be the priority for 2023, as he continues the methodical approach to his career trajectory that has so far paid dividends and may well yet lead him to a yellow jersey in the next few years.
However, the 2022 Vuelta winner, intriguingly, hasn’t set his plans in stone for the moment, though he is adamant that he will only target one grand tour next year.
“Mission Tour de France will be the priority from now on,” the world champion told Het Laatste Nieuws. “One day I want to win there too, that’s the ultimate dream, but that does not exclude an intermediate station in 2023.
“So far, the Giro d’Italia looks very nice.
“Then it will be the Clásica San Sebastián, World Championship and the Tour of Lombardy in the autumn. In the spring I will again ride a limited programme and work on my climbing and time trial.
“Actually, I can copy and paste my Vuelta preparation every year from now on. Because that has worked well.”
“This is what happens when you ‘other’ cyclists”: Facebook users engage in “depressing” anti-cycling rant… under post about child struck by hit-and-run motorcyclist while cycling to school
Last week on the live blog, you may recall, we focused quite a bit on Cycle to School Week, including a selection of the sometimes questionable (or, to be uncharitable, “victim blaming”) bike safety tips and advice dolled out as part of the festivities, alongside the often harsh realities for children riding their bikes to school in a car-dominated world.
> Protected bike lanes on school routes must be urgent government priority, says Sustrans
Unfortunately, this morning’s blog will be focusing on the latter, as road safety campaigner Adam Bronkhorst reported on Twitter last night that a child cycling to a nearby school earlier that morning was struck by a motorbike rider – who failed to stop following the collision:
A child was knocked off their bike cycling to school this morning and the person failed to stop. This is on a road we’ve been trying for years to be made safer for our children.
There was a post on Facebook about it. These are the kind of comments posted. pic.twitter.com/aL1F0wnAO6
— Adam Bronkhorst (@AdamBronkhorst) October 11, 2022
According to the person who posted the original news on a local Facebook group, thankfully the child did not appear to be seriously injured in the collision, and the police were called to the scene.
“I think there were some witnesses,” Bronkhorst, who has long campaigned for increased safety measures on the road in question, added this morning. “It was a person on a motorbike with someone else riding on the back who knocked the high school kid off. They knew they had done it as the person on the back was seen to be looking back at the kid.”
“Before anyone starts blaming anyone I just want to ask, do we have to wait until someone dies to make the roads safer for the most vulnerable?” the original Facebook poster asked.
> Green Party: Government’s “anti-cycling narrative” creates danger for cyclists
However, that rather pertinent question was blatantly ignored by several other Facebook users in the comments, who decided to use a hit-and-run incident involving a child to score off a few numbers on their anti-cycling bingo card.
One victim-blamer-in-chief commented: “Was it one of the stupid kids mucking about again?”
“Should walk to school so we can get to work without trying to dodge all the stupid cyclists on the road. If you want to cycle, cycle up the Downs and get out of my way. Thanks,” wrote another particularly charming motorist.
I wonder if this lot are the “stupid cyclists” to which the commenter was referring?
Especially when there are this many kids using the route. (this is on the way home) pic.twitter.com/sGVRta4LAm
— Adam Bronkhorst (@AdamBronkhorst) October 12, 2022
Another wrote: “Well the Highway Code now says that cyclists can ride side by side on a non-busy road, I wish they’d listen, how many points do I get for knocking off two Tour de Shoreham muppets?”
Very classy.
Worryingly, Bronkhorst says that those comments weren’t even the worst examples, with some apparently even more distasteful remarks swiftly removed by the group’s moderators.
Thoughtless and repugnant comments aren’t solely the domain of Facebook, of course, evidenced by this baffling response to road safety campaigner Bronkhorst’s tweet:
If what you claim is true then an offence has been committed & I deplore the FB comments you have shown. But show me some evidence of the incident or I might conclude that you are just another disgruntled cyclist making unsubstantiated claims to start an argument!
— Marshian7 (@Marshian7) October 12, 2022
And this one:
I’m really sorry to hear this. However when we walk around our LTN we experience issues with cyclists failing to stop. Last weekend two cyclists turned left at speed without indicating, nearly hitting us and a cyclist racing while carrying a tyre swore at and nearly hit my son.
— Jane Alaszewski (@JAlaszewski) October 11, 2022
The lack of empathy shown towards a child struck in a hit-and-run incident – simply because, I assume, the kid can be simply and crudely pigeonholed as a “cyclist” – has been described as “depressing” by other Twitter users:
This makes me sad. Sorry to hear that Martin.
— Adam Bronkhorst (@AdamBronkhorst) October 12, 2022
I’m sadly beginning to lose hope.
— Adam Bronkhorst (@AdamBronkhorst) October 11, 2022
We had someone write to the School wanting an apology as his wife was upset after he knocked a child down in his car.
What can you say
— RhinoFive 🦏 (@RhinoFive) October 11, 2022
This is what happens when you “other” cyclists. Even knocking kids off bikes seems reasonable so drivers can get to work – read the comments.
The media has a part to play in this and the comments below are a reflection of how the argument is being shaped. https://t.co/HrAo97ivYC
— Harry Webster (@Hold_my_cider) October 11, 2022
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@Terry Hutt which ones? I have the stem, seatpost and Arc SPD pedals on my commuter and have had no issues at all.
I've owned many redshift products over the years and I have not found them to be reliable. Anything with moving parts tends to break in a couple of years. I only buy from them when there are no other offerings on the market, which tends to happen a lot. There are many similar products on Amazon right now that, while they don't score as well as the Redshift, cost 1/4 as much. For the same price as these you can buy some nice SPD/flat pedals (SPD one side, flat the other). That's what I have on my trainer and they are great.
@SVXY I cannot think of a jury or a magistrate who would not convict cyclists doing that of lack of consideration of other road users and careless driving He was doing OK for the first three words, but then slumped back down to his usual pitiful standard, dreaming of cyclists being convicted of careless driving or being smashed to pulp by a driver guilty of nothing more than a minor lapse of judgement.
@chrisonabike Riding 3 or more abreast blocks most traffic on a carriageway getting past. I cannot think of a jury or a magistrate who would not convict cyclists doing that of lack of consideration of other road users and careless driving
@SVXY Again, it doesn't say that riding three or more abreast is inconsiderate. That's just your opinion, which counts for nothing.
Black bike in a black room with minimal lighting. Marketing people eh?
That’s honestly the best 32” bike I’ve seen yet. Avona’s road bike is also beautiful except for the tall stack height, if they ever release a race bike I’m in.
32 inch wheels are here to stay until the next new wonder product hits the market...
@Gd29 Redshift regularly have sales with 25% off, so you should be able to pick them up for under £40 at some point
@SVXY Yet again it's highly impressive how are you know the exact circumstances of this incident, now down to the exact type of footwear Ms.Tanton was sporting at the time. There are numerous types of all-terrain/hiking sandals that have far better grip than a standard pair of trainers. And once again do explain how having shoes without gaps in the uppers would have prevented Dick from driving straight into her from behind? No actually, don't bother.
16 thoughts on ““This is what happens when you ‘other’ cyclists”: Facebook users engage in “depressing” anti-cycling rant under post about child struck in hit-and-run; BBC blasted for bike lane debate; Ferrand-Prévot joins Ineos; Sprint argy bargy + more on the live blog”
Breaking (and excellent) news
Breaking (and excellent) news, Cav has a new contract with B&B Hotels – KTM; they would need a wildcard for the Tour but #35 could still be on!
Sorry to disappoint, and Cav
Sorry to disappoint, and Cav may well end up signing for them eventually, but that’s the fake tweet Cav yesterdays live blog highlighted.
D’oh! Should’ve looked for
D’oh! Should’ve looked for the blue tick. What benefit is there to anyone in faking that?
Come on Rendel, keep up!
Come on Rendel, keep up!
Ryan Mallon wrote:
I’ve let you down, I’ve let myself down. Won’t happen again sir.
A day in the life of a club
A day in the life of a club rider, part 9291
I have submitted a brilliantly clear video of a trout-pout on the phone failing to round a corner and ending up entirely the wrong side of the road, ending up with scattered cyclists bouncing off her bonnet (more falling onto a then stationary car forntuately than anything more serious), phone in lap, no sign of a cradle.
What intrigues me is how determined the submission site is about how witnesses don’t count if they have some connection with those involved. I am guessing it is a perverse interpretation of CPS rules to make sure a case is winnable, but it strikes me that it should be up to the courts to decide if witnesses are credible, not the police at the point of submitting an incident? If we hadn’t got clear video evidence, would the police act on 10 people on a ride witnessing dangerous driving becuase we happened to be club members therefore known to each other?
Anyway, let’s see if West Mercia police will prosecute appropriately. Round a blind corner all wheels across the double white line – any chance of dangerous driving and an admission on camera that they know they could have killed someone – I doubt it.
If they didn’t kill someone
If they didn’t kill someone then it won’t be taken seriously….. but if they killed someone but didn’t mean to it won’t be taken seriously…. but if they meant to kill someone but they had a hard day it won’t be taken seriously…. but if they killed someone and meant to do it and didn’t have a hard day but being in prison might be difficult for them then they might get an 18 month suspended sentence and a 2 year driving ban.
I hope that the video
I hope that the video evidence will be enough on it’s own but I suppose that each cyclist in the group could report the same incident and would be able to give their own versions in that way. Not sure how the police and courts would deal with that though.
Are you planning to send this in for NMOTD when it’s been dealt with?
I’m just troubled with the
I’m just troubled with the approach that says that unless you have solid video evidence, a group of cyclists would have their evidence discounted, so apparently a 12 against 1 account would be treated as he said/she said and set aside.
With matey’s footage going onto the bonnet (which looks far worse than it was) I think it will be a top 10 NaNMotD. Hopefully be a few months away assuming this goes to magistrate’s court.
I look forward to seeing it.
I look forward to seeing it. Good luck.
IanMSpencer wrote:
It sounds like those police are arbitrarily deciding to limit the use of video evidence.
Surely the video evidence doesn’t require any witnesses other than the person taking the video, especially if the video clearly shows the incident and surrounding context (i.e. not chopped to just a ten second clip).
It wouldn’t apply to other situations, otherwise you could break into a house and terrorise the occupants – they wouldn’t be able to act as witnesses due to living together.
I wonder if the motorcyclist
I wonder if the motorcyclist had pillion passenger insurance? I remember a colleague, and very experienced biker, telling me that he didn’t have it because it was prohibitively expensive. I suspect that it is rarely checked unless there’s an accident.
It added literally a few
It added literally a few pounds a year for me on the bikes I have insured in the past. (a range of stuff from Harleys to sport bikes)
Maybe it’s what he told his
Maybe it’s what he told his wife
Any coverage of this story
Any coverage of this story here back in 2018 when it happened?
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2022/10/11/man-who-killed-brampton-cyclist-with-runaway-trailer-gets-six-year-sentence-will-serve-one-more-year.html
Is it easier to get a conviction and sentence when the judge and jury can say “well, I would never steal a van and a trailer”?
What exactly is “irregular
What exactly is “irregular sprinting”?