Jeremy Vine and Laurence Fox clash over riding two abreast video; Will Carling’s two pennies; Overtaking lessons with Cycling Mikey; Jason Kenny undecided on retirement; A closer look at Sebastian Vettel’s bike; Penny Farthing epic + more on the live blog
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Jeremy Vine and Laurence Fox clash over riding two abreast video
People who cycle in the country should be encouraged to ride 2, 3 and 4 abreast like this. For the following reasons:
1. It calms the traffic behind them
2. It makes it less easy for bad drivers to attempt dangerous passes
3. It is more pleasant and sociable for them. pic.twitter.com/vqi4dsuUSs— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) August 8, 2021
No surprises Jeremy Vine has been preaching sensible ideas about cycling again. Perhaps no surprises either that Laurence Fox has not…
It started when Vine shared the video above showing a group ride travelling two abreast. The presenter and broadcaster is in the passenger seat and tells the camera: “Sunday morning in the country. Absolutely no problem with this at all, exactly how cyclists should ride.
“They’re calming the traffic behind them and we won’t overtake unless we have a really wide amount of clearance. If we want to go at 70mph, we can go and find a motorway – this is absolutely fine. There is no need for us to be going any faster than this and we wish them well.”
If only Lozza saw it that way too…
If only the Mamils afforded the same respect to horsemen and women on country lanes. I was bucked off on the way into Lodsworth a few years ago after a bunch Tour de France wannabes zoomed out of the shadows. Showing the usual zero respect for other road users. https://t.co/sO61JGIob4
— Laurence Fox ✌🏼🇬🇧✌🏼 (@LozzaFox) August 8, 2021
The former London mayoral candidate jumped on the opportunity to have a pop at “Mamils” and “Tour de France wannabes” showing horse riders “the usual zero respect”. And is wasn’t just Laurence…
You’re just trolling us now!
— Cristo (@cristo_radio) August 8, 2021
Now, I don’t know about you but I’d say it’s fairly uncontroversial for all road users to act respectfully around horse riders. I’d be surprised if too many here did not.
If you want some more background on Fox’s attitude towards cyclists, here’s his 2017 take on Room 101…
Here we go again...
Will Carling interjects on the two abreast debate...although you might wish he hadn't
I am a cyclist. Simple rule – we are smaller than cars – so be polite, ride single file when holding up cars. Understand people are busy etc Do not go thru red lights/ pedestrian crossings. But also do ask drivers to be careful when passing? Please. https://t.co/bAP3mfVDYZ
— Will Carling (@willcarling) August 9, 2021
Thoughts on Will Carling’s “I am a cyclist” thoughts? Cycling Mikey tried to explain why it is more considerate to ride two abreast as it reduces the overtaking distance while also making things much safer for the riders…Anyone got any theories about why riding two abreast winds up some motorists so much?
It’s more considerate to ride in a bunch like this as it shortens your overtake, and it’s *MUCH* safer for the cyclists. You’re supposed to be changing lanes anyway, even for a single cyclist, not squeezing past dangerously closely in the same lane. Pls retweet this correction. pic.twitter.com/5WxSiGklFP
— CyclingMikey tired of road crime. 🇪🇺🇳🇱🇿🇼 (@MikeyCycling) August 9, 2021
Record-breaker Jason Kenny reconsidering retirement having won historic seventh Olympic gold medal
Jason Kenny’s keirin gold on the final day of the Tokyo Olympic Games added another memorable paragraph to his chapter in the record books…The 33-year-old stunned his rivals, sprinting clear with three laps to go and holding on to secure his seventh Olympic gold medal, the first Briton to achieve the feat.
Asked by reporters if it was his final race, Kenny said: “If you’d asked me this morning, I would have said, ‘Yeah, probably,’ but now I feel pretty good so I might carry on. This morning, in my head, I was 33 and getting slower. From a British cycling point of view, you’d rather back someone who is 20 and getting faster. It was difficult.
“I haven’t been able to train the way I want to, I’ve had niggles. It might not be up to me. I was disappointed with my pace here so it might be out of my hands.”
Could we see number eight in Paris?
Monday bike porn: A closer look at Sebastian Vettel's beauty
Last Thursday the blog included a clip of Sebastian Vettel rocking up to the Hungarian Grand Prix by bike, while most of the other drivers were chauffeur driven in sponsor cars.
J.Laverack Bicycles got in touch with all the juicy deets about Vettel’s ride, which they built up for the F1 star. The R J.ACK Disc 54cm Race geometry frame was put together with full Shimano DuraAce Di2, Pro Vibe carbon bars and one of ÆRA’s forks and carbon seatposts. The 700c carbon wheels also come courtesy of the UK brand and are hand-built with Chris King R45d hubs, Sapim CX-Ray spokes and brass nipples. For a little extra comfort, Vettel’s build is finished off with 28mm Conti GP5000 tubeless tyres, a Brooks C13 saddle and Fizik soft touch bar tape. What a machine.
Behind the scenes at the Tour de France with EF Education-Nippo
Monday mood
Mamils LOL https://t.co/SI5KWFM07y
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) August 8, 2021
British Cycling announces new long-term plan to grow BMX freestyle and build on Olympic success with million-pound community facility investment
AMAZING NEWS 👏🏻💞 BMX HAS A BIGHT FUTURE 🇬🇧 #bmx https://t.co/riTxBkXmdE
— Charlotte Worthington (@chazworther) August 9, 2021
British Cycling is targeting more success in BMX freestyle off the back of a strong debut in Tokyo. Aimed at nurturing the grassroots of the sport, British Cycling hopes to build on the inspiration of Olympic champion Charlotte Worthington and bronze medallist Declan Brooks with a million-pound investment in community facilities.
The investment will see facilities in Sutton-in-Ashfield, Corby and Darwen improved, as well as deciding on a long-term home for the Olympic standard park in Telford which was used by Worthington and Brooks in preparation for the Games.
Dani Every, British Cycling Delivery Director, said: “BMX freestyle, thanks to the heroic performances of Charlotte and Declan at the Tokyo Olympics, has captured the attention of the whole country so I am delighted to be announcing our ambitions for this exciting discipline of cycle sport.
“With the support of a commission which features expertise from the BMX freestyle community across facilities, coaching, judging and former elite riders, we have begun the serious business of ensuring the hard-earned achievements of Charlotte and Declan deliver a long-term legacy.”
Scot completes 108-mile Penny Farthing epic in a kilt
David Fox-Pitt MBE has raised £12,000 to fund places at Glenalmond College for children who would not otherwise be able to attend the school. An epic Penny Farthing challenge was his chosen money-raising method. The parent of two pupils at the school completed 175km (108 miles) on his big-wheeled machine over 14 arduous hours in the saddle.
Fox-Pitt set off through Stirling, heading north through Crieff, Braco and Comrie before ticking off Lochearnhead, Killin, Kenmore, Aberfeldy and Caputh on the way back to Glenalmond. A mechanical issue after 25km threatened the challenge and some characteristically unpredictable Scottish weather meant he finished the ride with a soaked kilt.
“Our thanks go to all those who donated and helped us to raise such an excellent total which will go towards bursaries to support more young people to attend Glenalmond,” Mr Fox-Pitt told the Daily Record.
If you think David’s ride was epic, how about Richard Thoday who in 2019 successfuly rode from Land’s End to John O’Groats on a Penny Farthing in four days 11 hours and 52 minutes to break a 133-year record…
Two abreast debate reaction: Jeremy Vine warns one Tweeter after some more cyclist-bashing
Careful pic.twitter.com/uV6L6c5aKl
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) August 9, 2021
This two abreast storm has run on and on with too many Z-list opinions and radio presenter ramblings to count (that doesn’t include you, Mr Vine). There has also unfortunately been a distasteful side to it…like this one above (as well as the usual anti-cyclist bingo)…It’s probably a good life rule not to crack jokes about knocking down cyclists…but, if you absolutely have to don’t do it on an account where it’s obvious who your employer is…
Riding a bike at 1,000ft in the air
What would it take for you to ride this bicycle 1,000 ft in the air? The death-defying attraction is located at a theme park in central China. pic.twitter.com/hGV0XMj6yM
— NowThis (@nowthisnews) August 8, 2021
Ineos Grenadiers name stacked squad for Vuelta a España
A team ready to 𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙚.
Your INEOS Grenadiers for #LaVuelta21 💥 pic.twitter.com/BXZI2heCkA
— INEOS Grenadiers (@INEOSGrenadiers) August 9, 2021
A familiar sight at Grand Tours these days: Ineos Grenadiers picking a ridiculously talented group of riders for a GC challenge. Tom Pidcock makes his Grand Tour debut off the back of winning gold at the Tokyo Olympics and will be riding in support of whichever of the Ineos alphas proves himself to be strongest. Giro d’Italia winner Egan Bernal and Olympic road race winner Richard Carapaz return, while Adam Yates is the third option and comes to the Vuelta having targeted the race all season.
In support, Ineos call upon Pavel Sivakov for the high mountains as well as experienced domestiques Dylan van Baarle and Salvatore Puccio. Giro stage winner Jhonatan Narvaez is the final member of the team. It’s been a busy day for Vuelta team releases. Movistar announced their standard three-pronged attack of Alejandro Valverde, Enric Mas and Miguel Ángel López. Bahrain Victorious too have three options: Giro runner-up Damiano Caruso, Mikel Landa and Jack Haig. Elsewhere, Brit James Knox got the call up for Deceuninck Quick-Step. Bring on Saturday.
Best and (mainly) worst of the two abreast 'debate'
It it wasn’t for the motor vehicle there wouldn’t be roads for cyclists to ride on
— Kano (@_Kano_P) August 8, 2021
Not a great advert for the Twitter verified account badge…
They’re slowing the traffic but definitely not calming it JV. 😄
— Paddy McGuinness 💙 (@PaddyMcGuinness) August 8, 2021
Shut up.
— Charlie Lawson (@charlie_lawson1) August 9, 2021
This is why people hate cyclists. https://t.co/fl222iH0G6
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) August 9, 2021
Nobody gives a damn if your ride is “pleasant and sociable” you roadway parasite. Get out of the way. https://t.co/jncfsFQufv
— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) August 9, 2021
Nothing calms me down like being forced to do 15 on an otherwise empty country backroad. I can feel the calm washing over me just thinking about it. https://t.co/7MIVvvsDP3
— Jesse Kelly (@JesseKellyDC) August 8, 2021
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Chris King are fairly serviceable. And the warranty does indeed require it. I enjoy the xtr plug and forget on two of the bikes. Until they die, and I just fit another. Chris's headsets are worth it, superb seals. It's such a mucky area, and I haven't had adjustable cup and cone BBs. on a bike since my Peugeot racers in the 80s, I was relieved when starting my mountain bike adventures in the 90"s that the fit and forget square taper BBs just worked. The seals on the hubs were awful back then. Singletrack FGF featured this, https://burgtec.co.uk/product-category/hardware/shimano-crank-bolt/, I'm wondering if it will replace my seemingly made of butter bolt on the xtr 960 cranks, almost impossible to find back in the day.
If I had purchased my special products division 650 back in '96, rather than obtaining it under a warranty replacement, I would apparently have received a signed picture of the fine Nottingham artisan that welded her. The 750 of that year won Barry Clarke another British xc cup, as I recall.
Yay! https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/26466698.speed-camera-catching-drivers-25mph-oxfordshire/
The fall of Raleigh happened long before this week. Just because somebody bought the name does not mean they were the same bikes. And if you care about the name so much, noone says it won't be purchased by another inverstor as Accell Group is liquidated!
@Destroyer666 I totally see your point. The good news is there are indeed BBs which use industry-standard bearings. Take Neco, for example - they offer exactly what you want. Maybe the bearings in the set are not perfect, but you can replace them with SKFs later.
@chrisonabike I was just reading that myself, it seems a bizarre kneejerk reaction before poor Finlay's cause of death has even been fully investigated. What does Mr.Hansen think has been going on, have the manufacturers had the means to make safer, more robust helmets that are just as light and well ventilated but haven't bothered releasing them? Or does he want the peleton racing in motorcycle helmets, because that's the only way there's going to be a chance of meaningful protection in 100 kmh crashes?
I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work: AFAICS anti-social consequences are inherent in the business model. Models which seem to work better: advertising (Santander cycles), using bikes to make using another service which is more profitable (or less unprofitable) easier (Dutch OV Fiets). After that it's "local authority subsidises it" and then you're down to "flogging customer data"...
Back in the day square taper bb's rolled on bearings that were considerably larger than inside these Maxhit ones. The ball bearings in these fully serviceable models cost a couple of euros. Don't get me wrong, they had their issues, like poor sealing. But those days, servicing bearings was the norm. The current state seems to be something of an attempt at non-serviceability, where efforts made at making products that you DO NOT have to service are accompanied with products that you CANNOT service. And those two things are mixed in different ways. For example with this Maxhit bearing you pay a crazy amount of money for supposed durability - that you are nonetheless expected to service once a year. And once these bearings wear enough, there is no way to service them anymore - no cups, cones, ball bearings to replace, unlike with the old bb's (sure, it was not THAT easy even with them to e.g. find just cups in bike shop). I guess my point is that while I applaud e.g. Enduro for making "bike specific" bearings, I nonetheless long for products that are just easy to service - that is the key to durability. And that does not have to mean it costs a lot. To prove my point: There is absolutely no reason why Shimano could not manufacture it's ubiquitous 20eur BB-MT501 with easily replaceable industrial standard 6805 bearings (where SKF quality bearings cost about 20eur), for the same cost they manufacture the BB in it's current form. They just chose not to. And I would choose that over crazy expensive bb's with marketing schpiel and small print regarding warranty any day.
He's wildly over the top / backwards about what is a risk to the hard-pressed motorist and local places: those are "other motorists" and "mass motoring" respectively. He's almost right though in that many places - even in the UK - are gradually realising that a great way to save themselves money, improve their places and aid their chances of hitting targets on health, obesity, climate etc. is indeed to slow down motorists, restrict parking and deter (not prevent...) much *private motor* travel.
RIP. According to the president of the Cyclistes Professionnels Associes the first thing they need to look at is ... helmets? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/articles/czxqqlpnx98o Of course this could make perfect sense for a professional sport, perhaps standards haven't kept pace etc. It's certainly a rarefied extremely fast and hazard-rich environment, compared with my experience of normally <20mph utility-and-leisure cycling. But since the main factor seems to have been an uninvolved vehicle on the course this does sound like a convergence with the standard "cycling safety" narrative? ("Can't fix anything else, so what we *can* do is...")
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Although I wished Vine had
Although I wished Vine had overtaken them in the vehicle he was filming from as it would have been safe to do so for quite alot of the video. That way he would have shown that when safe to do so, overtaking 2-3 abreast is as natural as overaking any normal slower vehicle on the road rather then pandering to the “bleurgh, they are slowing everyone up”, “all over the road”, “single file better” brigades.
I agree – but what really
I agree – but what really needed to be shown was that the group were actually riding in offest pairs and the fact that it looked like they were riding 3 or 4 abreast at times was actually the forced perspective…. because in the vast majority of times where drivers complain about cyclists riding more than 2 abreast it is actually just the illusion of cycling in offest pairs
I think this nuance is missed
I think this nuance is missed in the debate, even by the likes of Will Carling (and JV). Even when his group thins out some idiot drivers will still see 2 abreast riding. Last weekend I was cycling through Towcester (the A5) and got beeped presumably because they thought I was riding two abreast on a busy road. I wasn’t. My companion was riding in the center of a far too narrow murder strip. I had positioned myself on the other side of the white line. Our wheels were not overlapping so it was NOT 2 abreast.
Thinking about your message,
Thinking about your message, in my opinion the fact that you were being beeped at is less likely that the driver thought you were riding 2 abreast, but more likely that you had dared to veer out of the murder strip onto “their” road… remember that cycle lane had been put there at the cost of “millions of pounds” and if you as a cyclist arent going to use it it would be “millions” that could have been spent repairing their roads
It would be a driving test
It would be a driving test fail for undue hesitation missing an overtaking opportunity like that!
HoarseMann wrote:
I failed my first test on exactly that, not wanting to be in a head-on collision with a bin lorry in the BSM Metro. I thought it was nonsense. The driver must be the arbiter of risk. It sends the wrong message to say that people must drive faster or more aggressively than they consider safe. Too many drive by unthinkingly following the car in front or what they think is normal (eg speed limit 60 implies drive at continuous 65 regardless of road conditions).
The examiner had also made me do a 3 point turn on a bend with limited sight lines, which I should have refused to do.
Years later, a motorcycle instructor berated me for not following him through on an overtake on a twisty road in fog. He on BMW something, me on CG125. I take my own decisions on my safety, I explained, and asked when he last rode a 125.
TheBillder wrote:
It may well have been in your case, but being able to judge a safe opportunity to overtake and having the confidence to take it, is a very important driving skill.
There are so many drivers who will hesitate to overtake me when I’m cycling, missing a great opportunity, only to feel time-pressured and go for it at a more dangerous point in the road.
Absolutely, there’s another
Absolutely, there’s another side to the coin.
HoarseMann wrote:
I disagree. o’takes are the most dangerous legal manoeuvre on the road, even when performed with due care.
There is and should be no requirement to overtake outside the driver’s own risk assessment.
The second point you make is partialy true, however only in as much it is not due to the first missed “opportunity”. It comes from not having the confidence to repeat the correct decision they made in the first place, that of “nah, not going to do that”.
TheBillder wrote:
As a pedestrian in town a few years back I walked up to a major crossroads with TFLs just as the lights turned red…about 5 seconds later the approaching car just carried straight on and went through the red. “Blimey” I thought. Then the following car also went through on red…and ploughed straight into a car crossing the junction the other way. I went to help and when it all settled down a bit, I did mention to the driver that she had gone through clearly on red, to which she replied “yeah, I just followed the car in front“.
bobbinogs wrote:
I tell you, it is absolutely true. I read somewhere that if a driver overtakes a cyclist properly, there’s a 70% chance that the following driver will do exactly the same overtake.
Most of them aren’t actually looking further ahead than the boot of the car in front. It’s fucking terrifying.
I regularly notice people on
I regularly notice people on motorways start to take a slip road they had no intention of taking, just because the car in front of them took it.
Laurence Fox is the perfect
Laurence Fox is the perfect epitome of the key problem in English society – if you are of limited intelligence and talent, the fact that you have been to posh school and have well connected friends is all that you need in order to be taken seriously.
The man get a few column
The man get a few column inches in the usual right leaning rags and barely managed to get more votes than Count Binface in the London Mayoral elections.
Not sure I call that getting taken seriously….
He got fewer votes than the
He got fewer votes than the guy promising to reduce the price of Freddo Frog chocolates. But he still gets invited onto Newsnight
I doubt that he would get those invites if he had been to a comprehensive school.
See the article in the
See the article in the Guardian/Observer yesterday about public schools….him and his ilk are the perfect examples.
the little onion wrote:
Well, it’s worked for our prime minister..
brooksby wrote:
Your prime minister; he’s nothing to with me.
eburtthebike wrote:
“Our” in the sense that he is (at least nominally) in charge of the country.
I didn’t vote for his f-ing party, and nobody except his party voted for him to be PM.
I get on well with horse
I get on well with horse riders. Try to share a few words with them or at least a wave. However, LF had one bad experience with a group of cyclists “several years ago” and presumably since then has had no positive interaction with cyclists at all. Either, he doesn’t ride much, which would account for his innability to control the horse, or he now has selective memory, presumably caused by landing on his head. Given the other shite that this troll spouts I think the latter is more likely.
IanMK wrote:
Of course, the other possibility is that he’s just making shit up…..
No, I believe him. Although I
No, I believe him. Although I suspect the horse he was riding was several along with a pack of hounds chasing a fox and the “Mamils” were animal rights activists trying to disrupt the hunt.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
Clearly the hounds were chasing the wrong fox…..
I think this twitterer summed
I think this twitterer summed him up for me:
[I]So we should respect horse riders more and cyclists less – is that your argument?[/i]
https://twitter.com/uraballoonson/status/1424387946459848706?s=20
I also get on well with horse
I also get on well with horse riders and vice versa I hope.
There was an item in local news last week about police booking speeding motorists on a country road near Dunham Park. There were many below the line responses from horse riders complaining about inconsiderate motorists, no mention of problems with cyclists though.
Likewise, never – and I do
Likewise, never – and I do mean never ever – had a problem with horses or their riders.
I take the view that horses are not machines and can be expected to be a bit skittish, although most are not. And sometimes they have young riders – I think it’s great that youngsters should be able to get out and ride – on a bike or a horse.
So I make allowances. It’s nobody’s fault if you are the first cyclist they have seen on the road. If you have to give up on your KOM, so be it.
Kapelmuur wrote:
There really isn’t a problem between cyclists and horse riders. It’s just the usual Daily Heil culture war bollocks.
Drivers kill over 30 horses a year with their shit driving, cyclists zero.
Drivers kill over 30 horses a
Drivers kill over 30 horses a year with their shit driving, cyclists zero
I can’t vouch for the first figure, but the second is highly believable. I’m going right off Fox- he seems to be a Grade A nutter. Many of us recall the video on here of a car on a left-hand bend coming towards the camera, but the driver was travelling fast and veered onto his RH lane and hit a horse correctly positioned going in the opposite direction. Wasn’t one of the 2 horses put down?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-40134629
IanMK wrote:
— IanMKThat would have had no affect; landing on his ass however………
eburtthebike wrote:
would impair his ability to speak?
Me also. Even with the piles
Me also. Even with the piles of shit, I’m more than happy to see horse riders out on the same roads that I ride for leisure. 4 legged mobile road blocks reminding drivers to slow down and maybe think about what might be round the next unsighted corner. Unlike a collision with a cyclist no-one gets sympathy for driving into a horse as “a bit of bad luck”.
My one bad experience with horses was as a runner when 3 riders thought it excellent fun to gallop their horses through a group of runners from behind. That was pretty scarey being close to all those flailing hooves.
IanMK wrote:
Totally agree, I warn riders in advance if catching them up from behind and will always check if the horses are okay with flashing day lights (and will cover them up anyway). Most riders are happy to exchange pleasantries as we pass. We’re all out enjoying the quieter roads.
Whenever someone comments on
Whenever someone comments on how dangerous cyclists are around horses, I think it’s worth remembering how utterly terrifying horses actually are at times! I always pass slow and wide and ask the rider if it’s safe to do so beforehand.
Even then, about one in twenty times, it’s clear that the horse is nervous and the rider might not have proper control of the horse, which is very unnerving in country lanes or bridlepaths.
Where horses are approaching on bridlepaths I usually stop and dismount the bike, but it’s clear that the horses are often spooked by bicycles.
alexb wrote:
Reminds me of when Bath and North East Somerset wanted to allow horses on the Bristol-Bath path, and after cyclists had found out about it, they didn’t consult with anyone except horse riders, they had a council meeting to discuss it and allowed the public to make presentations. I did and pointed out that one of their own employees had been recently killed by a horse while riding his bike, for which I was roundly criticised.
If you ride a horse in public you should be able to control it, not expect other perfectly legal road users to dismount because you can’t.
eburtthebike wrote:
I used to live near a stables and my sister was a keen rider at one time. I was out walking my dog once when a pony with a very young rider was spooked by a passing bus. The poor animal actually ran into the bus and was seriously injured and broke its leg while the poor kid was traumatised as the pony had to be put down. Horses and ponies can be unpredictable. Some of the riders can be young and inexperienced. Give them space.
OldRidgeback wrote:
— OldRidgebackI do and I’m happy to do so, but is it sensible to put unpredictable animals on a path with thousands of cyclists, experienced, novices and children, especially when you’ve got the tragic example of one of your own employees on a bike being killed by one?
alexb wrote:
which is odd because the horses on dartmoor and in the new forest couldn’t care less about cyclists.
So why do the horsey people only chose to ride the skitish ones on the road? Do they train them to be nervous? Or is it only the nervous ones that will accept being ridden?
It really annoys me when I
It really annoys me when I hear cyclists talking about horse riders in the same ignorant belittling tone that others use for cyclists.
Sriracha wrote:
Perhaps if you could give an example of where a cyclist has been “ignorant” or “belittling” of horse riders, I’d take you seriously.
Some of Vine’s videos are
Some of Vine’s videos are worthwhile because they may educate people.
This one tends to stir up trouble/argument for the sake of the attention.
I think we need to have a
I think we need to have a proper debate about road safety, for example dispelling myths like its safe to overtake a single cyclist by straddling the centre line with oncoming traffic, yet apparently unsafe to do the same when passing cyclists two abreast.
However, Twatter is not the place to have a debate about anything as it’s populated by loons shouting into an abyss.
PRSboy wrote:
Private Eye have called it “the hate farm”. For me, that’s up there with TheRegister calling eBay “the online tat bazaar”.
That we may do,but I dont
That we may do,but I dont think Vine is posting much of this stuff to promote proper debates, it feels more about he uses it to boost his twitter analytics scores as it guarantees a whole bunch of interactions.
Imo anyway Twitter is given way too much prominence as a platform given it’s user base size.
Those cyclists are not 3 or 4
Those cyclists are not 3 or 4 abreast. It’s two rows that are slightly offset which to the casual observer looks like 3 or 4 abreast. They are not contravening the highway code. That road isn’t wide enough for 3 or 4 abreast unless it’s a group of hardcore racers in a race. I’d mention this to Vine on twitter if I did twitter.
Jason Kenny’s interviews have
Jason Kenny’s interviews have been brilliant in these Olympics! 12 medals in the Kenny household.. what will they do when they retire I wonder.
Train up Albie !
Train up Albie !
Train up Albie !
Train up Albie !
Safely hopefully. Someone pointed out that they live close to Goostrey which is apparently a death trap for cyclists being irresponsible accroding to the Forum post.
I’m amazed to see Cristo the
I’m amazed to see Cristo the Cretin raising his head over the parapet after the absolute pasting he got last time he tried to tell his granny how to suck eggs.
eburtthebike wrote:
Are you allowed to even mention his name?
Haven’t you noticed that Burt
Haven’t you noticed that Burt has now been banned from the Internet!
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
Wishful thinking, just twitter. Well, until they decide my appeal; seven months and counting.
I think Seb has more than one
I think Seb has more than one bike as he’s most often been photo’d in F1 paddocks on a flat bar custom single speed bike, which has a German flag decal on the frame, which he’d been riding at least the past 2 years.
But how come Valtteri Bottas doesnt get the same F1 driver cycling name check ? not only does he ride a bike regularly, he also has multiple bikes,rides with pro team riders, & often does laps on a bike at a circuit to get track knowledge, and has been known to turn up on Zwift as well.
I thought Bottas has been
I thought Bottas has been previously in passing. I suspect if he was seen on Twitter riding into the race weekend like Vettel he would have been more prominent this week. Also I suspect as it was good publicity and the wording, Laverack decided to cash in on the publicity as well, hence the article above.
Bottas is actually a very
Bottas is actually a very gifted rider like most of the F1 and Moto GP rider’s that pick up a push bike.
He is also in a relationship with Tiffany Cromwell who is an incredible rider and whom I’m sure will be giving some tips on how to ride a bike well
And of course Jenson Button,
And of course Jenson Button, who’s very handy on a road bike.
Florence Lox – another jumped
Florence Lox – another jumped up Clarksonite.
Pity he doesn’t put as many calories into his ‘being an ACTORRRRR’ like his father did….
and politics…man, he is on a different playing field with that shit…
With those views…… I
With those views…… I think he might be the real life Nigel Garage that is currently on a sabatical from the forum.
Gosh – he’s a bit of a tw&t,
Gosh – he’s a bit of a tw&t, isn’t he?
brooksby wrote:
I knew he was a bit of a tw&t, but I’d not realised he was quite such a world-class one.
brooksby wrote:
Most, if not all of one, I’d say.
The _Kaner wrote:
At least with Clarkson, he generally says things for laughs (albeit not to everyone’s taste!). Fox actually means it.
PRSboy wrote:
Does he not mean it? I’m with Stewart Lee on this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CnMQ4L9Pc&t=110s
I’m surprised his rant about
I’m surprised his rant about a Sikh being shown in the film 1917 isn’t included in that lot as well.
He is rightly shunned in the acting community, and he doesn’t want to actually work for a living so he has taken the same route to “riches” as *Hatie Kopkins in being a rent a quote for right wing newspapers and organisations and then paid to appear in other tat off the back of it.
* Sugar has a lot to answer for, but inflicting her into the public limelight is the worst.
I think that Sebastian Vettel
I think that Sebastian Vettel’s bike would look so much better if there were notches cut into the rims to give valve clearance… 😉
The irony of Fox popping off
The irony of Fox popping off about ‘fascists’ on Room 101…
I mean, what happened? Did he just really like the word? Did he start saying it more and more, rolling it about in his mouth until it started just feeling right?
‘Mmm, fascism… Fascism… Faaascismmmmm…’
Dear road.cc – please don’t
Dear road.cc – please don’t publicise the twitter hate, it achieves nothing other than raising peoples blood pressure for zero benefit
“Thoughts on Will Carling’s
“Anyone got any theories about why riding two abreast winds up some motorists so much?”
They’re scared of the girth. And didn’t consider the length
Balthazar wrote:
Oh very good sir, chapeau??
The twonk at the top of the
The twonk at the top of the story is the funniest comment. If it wasn’t for the motor car there wouldn’t be any roads for cyclists to ride on. Hmmm.
biker phil wrote:
Yup; roads were made for cyclists before anyone had even thought of a car.
It seems that bigots in this
It seems that bigots in this country are running out of minorities to bash…
BBB wrote:
Indeed, and one of the few minorities left are………………cyclists.
May be Kano at the top story
May be Kano at the top story should read this book, https://www.amazon.com.au/Roads-Were-Not-Built-Cars-ebook/dp/B00V7Z9FOO, and then demonstrate they have the ability to read.
As a cyclist I agree with
As a cyclist I agree with Jeremy’s comments except the bit about calming the traffic behind. I don’t mind how fast people overtake me providing they give me a reasonable amount of room. I would certainly never set out with the idea that I am there to slow anybody else down. I don’t think Jeremy meant it quite that way either. Admittedly when the odd one goes past at nearer 90 than 60 it is a bit of a surprise. On a horse it can be a bit different. Even the best horse can do something unexpected, like a cyclist avoiding a pothole a horse will sometimes dance round a “shadow”. While cycling you can look before the dodge, on the horse it just suddenly happens. As a horserider that can be interesting to say the least and you need to rapidly look for danger, re-establish control and carry out any course corrections. So I prefer it if people slow down when they pass and don’t rev their engine too hard. If they race by well I tend to think they are being a bit thoughtless but providing they give me a decent amount of room then I am reasonably ok with it. However I tend to pick the roads I take the horse on more carefully than when cycling where I am happy to go on fast main roads. While driving an old and slow tractor I will always let traffic by when there are more than 10 cars behind me especially if the first one looks clueless about overtaking. Old slow tractors especially with a trailer behind them can be hard to see round especially if you drive too close to them. I think people sometimes forget that country roads can be relatively fast roads as well so planning an overtake should be simple but you may have to wait for a minute or so before you can carry it out. That is the same as when you come up behind a slower driver. Equally cycling two abreast or more is perfectly fine and should cause no issues for other road users. It is all part and parcel of being a road user and sharing the road with others in a sympathetic manner.