“Cycling has just made me really happy”: Jeremy Clarkson’s daughter partners with Specialized; Jeremy Vine delivers a ‘road tax’ schooling; Chris Froome skips the Vuelta; Quads of Destiny; Marginal groins aero package + more on the live blog

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1. Malcolm Brockman of Maidstone

   Malcolm Brockman of Maidstone, Kent, writes, 

   “As a former traffic police officer and member of the Alliance of British Drivers, I’d like to know exactly what ‘priority over motorists at junctions when travelling straight ahead’ means”

   Part of me agrees with Mr Brockman’s dissatisfaction, as an experienced former police officer, with such vague wording that implies a disproportionate priority in all cross-road circumstances.  It is, indeed, a poor choice of wording for a policy document.

   Which is why H3 doesn’t say anything of the sort.

   And that leads to the other ‘qualification’ Mr Brockman presents of himself:  member of the ABD.  An unqualified membership of an organisations whose primary objective is as “a voluntary organisation promoting the interests and concerns of Britain’s drivers”.  And an unnerving characteristic to latch on to the first glimpse of a DM headline without critical thought.  And it seems this qualification overrules the copper’s mantra: Assume nothing, Believe nothing, and Check everything

   Incidentally, the provisonal wording of H3 says, 

   You should not cut across cyclists going ahead when turning into or out of a junction or changing direction or lane, just as you would not turn across the path of another motor vehicle. This applies whether cyclists are using a cycle lane, a cycle track, or riding ahead on the road and you should give way to them.

   Do not turn at a junction if to do so would cause the cyclist going straight ahead to stop or swerve, just as you would do with a motor vehicle.

   You should stop and wait for a safe gap in the flow of cyclists if necessary. This includes when cyclists are:

   • approaching, passing or moving off from a junction
   • moving past or waiting alongside stationary or slow-moving traffic
   • travelling around a roundabout

   In other words, nothing has changed except the guidance to obey existing principles, and the extension of the guidance to reflect the fact that cycle tracks and lanes are still (and always have been) part of the road.

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   • I don’t think that the

     I don’t think that the wording is vague at all.  It is the same wording used at section 44 “Take extra care at road junctions. When going straight ahead, check to make sure there are no vehicles about to cross your path from the left, the right, or overtaking you and turning left.”  (my emphasis added).

     Mr Brockman is nothing more than a gammon complaining about the fact that its now in writing that cyclists have to be given priority in certain circumstances.

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   • The way I’m interpreting the

     The way I’m interpreting the new ‘priority’ is that cyclists may no longer have to slow/stop at each side road when using those crappy pavement cycle lanes that stop at each side road. However, I’m not sure that I’d trust drivers to always be looking out for cyclists that are just about to zoom across the side road junctions (I’ll probably just stick to using the roads instead).

     Meanwhile, just spotted this on The Gurdiana: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/05/cargo-bikes-deliver-faster-and-cleaner-than-vans-study-finds

     Electric cargo bikes deliver about 60% faster than vans in city centres, according to a study. It found that bikes had a higher average speed and dropped off 10 parcels an hour, compared with six for vans.

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     • But they need to RTB more

       But they need to RTB more often to refill so what is the daily comparison?

       Also they don’t run when it is cold and wet.

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       • hirsute wrote:

         But they need to RTB more often to refill so what is the daily comparison?

         Also they don’t run when it is cold and wet.

         — hirsute

         I’ve only very briefly skimmed the study, but supposedly that headline figure is an average that accounts for time collecting packages and the fact that cargo bikes have a lower capacity. I would note that for PedalMe, the business model revolves around delivering packages from numerous different clients to numerous different customers – rather than all deliveries starting from a central hub. 

         PedalMe also claim they do go out in all weather… 

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         • My seond sentence was a

           My second sentence was a little joke as that is what I read a lot on the local rag website. That and the main story here shows what the scale of oppostion there is cycling.

       • hirsute wrote:

         But they need to RTB more often to refill so what is the daily comparison?

         Also they don’t run when it is cold and wet.

         — hirsute

         They’re using GPS data, so that should already be factored in (I don’t know if they cherry-picked dry days), and from the report:

         By engaging with several local business and services, Pedal
         Me aims to promote a new concept of urban logistics that
         they call the Agile Urban Mobility network81. This approach
         combines both point-to-point and multi-drop jobs as well as
         passengers and freight transport in the same time window.
         This means that cargo bikes move between a highly dense
         network of pick-up and drop off points. Each cycle, once
         finished with a job, rather than returning to the depot, can go
         directly to the nearest pick-up point thus reducing the
         distance travelled and ‘dead’ miles. Such an adaptive
         approach to logistics, which benefits from bikes’ reliability in
         fluctuating traffic conditions, coupled with a direct link to
         customers, allows for greater resilience to disruption and
         further service reliability. Simultaneously, as we will see in the
         next section, it challenges the unsustainability of the gig
         economy and the costs of consolidation centres.

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         • Sounds good.

           Sounds good.

           The cold and wet is what I read on the local paper website about cycling in nearly every story plus you can’t cycle up hills !

         • We know Amazon as an example
           We know Amazon as an example expect 150-200 packages/parcels to be delivered per shift. If their vans could only achieve a rate of 10 per hour,let alone 6, it would take minimum 15-20hours of driving to achieve.

           Evidentially they dont take that long, so the survey data doesnt appear to be reflecting real case examples of van couriers. It might well be showing bike couriers in a business model for delivering parcels by bike are quicker than a van doing the same job, but it doesnt show bike couriers are quicker than van couriers in general, however much spin is put on it.

         • Awavey wrote:

           We know Amazon as an example expect 150-200 packages/parcels to be delivered per shift. If their vans could only achieve a rate of 10 per hour,let alone 6, it would take minimum 15-20hours of driving to achieve. Evidentially they dont take that long, so the survey data doesnt appear to be reflecting real case examples of van couriers. It might well be showing bike couriers in a business model for delivering parcels by bike are quicker than a van doing the same job, but it doesnt show bike couriers are quicker than van couriers in general, however much spin is put on it.

           — Awavey

           There’s some details in the report (https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5d30896202a18c0001b49180/t/61091edc3acfda2f4af7d97f/1627987694676/The+Promise+of+Low-Carbon+Freight.pdf) about how they modelled the vans. They were modelling the same jobs as the cargo bike, but allowing for larger pick-ups and different routes. Interestingly, they used longer times for the vans to drop off goods which is presumably due to difficulties in parking etc. Most of the jobs were in inner London, so it’d be interesting to see how the real-world data on delivery vans in London compares.

         • As HP verified but I expect

           As HP verified but I expect they are looking at central cities where the dropoffs figures are probably less due to the parking or movement. So although Amazon delivering to suburban area is 150-200 per shift, the city centre couriers would be less. 

         • Amazon are making a huge

           Amazon are making a huge thing about being green at the moment, putting thousands of electric vans on the road, all this is very good, but doesn’t offset Jeff Bezos for taking a rocket into space. The man is a hypocrite.

       • hirsute wrote:

         But they need to RTB more often to refill so what is the daily comparison?

         Also they don’t run when it is cold and wet.

         — hirsute

         How big does a van need to be delivering 6 parcels an hour, or only 48 per day. sounds like the boxes would be rattling round in the back of an astravan, never mind a transit

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         • wycombewheeler wrote:

           But they need to RTB more often to refill so what is the daily comparison?

           Also they don’t run when it is cold and wet.

           — wycombewheeler

           How big does a van need to be delivering 6 parcels an hour, or only 48 per day. sounds like the boxes would be rattling round in the back of an astravan, never mind a transit

           — hirsute

           Pretty big if it’s 6 fridges or cement mixers

   • Am I right in thinking that

     Am I right in thinking that the proposed wording is to be tweaked and then presented to Parliament? Or has the DfT published its final draft?

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     • HarrogateSpa wrote:

       Am I right in thinking that the proposed wording is to be tweaked and then presented to Parliament? Or has the DfT published its final draft?

       — HarrogateSpa

       This is what gov.uk says https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/review-of-the-highway-code-to-improve-road-safety-for-cyclists-pedestrians-and-horse-riders/outcome/government-response-to-the-review-of-the-highway-code

       We have carried out full analysis of all consultation responses received and, given the feedback received, we will be seeking to introduce all the proposed changes. We will now look at all the proposed changes afresh to consider what amendments are needed to the proposed wording to take account of the valid comments received. In discussion with relevant stakeholders, we will finalise the text and produce a revised version of The Highway Code that will improve the safety of pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders.

       In accordance with section 38 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, we will lay the revised version of The Highway Code before both House of Parliament for a period of 40 days. If Parliament agrees to the proposed changes being made, we will work with the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) to update The Highway Code online and to produce a new hard copy edition in time for the next print run.

       Parliamentary approval is (I think) by the negative resolution procedure – ie it gets approved unless it is objected to, rather than there is automatically a debate/vote.  So – normally anyway – it’s just a formality.

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   • GMBasix wrote:

     Malcolm Brockman of Maidstone, Kent, writes, 

     “As a former traffic police officer and member of the Alliance of British Drivers, I’d like to know exactly what ‘priority over motorists at junctions when travelling straight ahead’ means”

     — GMBasix

     Part of me agrees with Mr Brockman’s dissatisfaction, as an experienced former police officer, with such vague wording that implies a disproportionate priority in all cross-road circumstances.  It is, indeed, a poor choice of wording for a policy document.

     Which is why H3 doesn’t say anything of the sort.

     Traffic police officer has not read the highway code text as it relates to cyclists SHOCK

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     • wycombewheeler wrote:

        

       Traffic police officer has not read the highway code text as it relates to cyclists SHOCK

       — wycombewheeler

       Former traffic police officer.  At least one step removed from the cynical dark side of the force; but as a member if the illustrious ill-conceived ABD, also one step removed from reality.

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2. First track cycling gold for

   First track cycling gold for Matt Walls. Let’s see what Jack Carlin can do.

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3. Saw this today, quite amusing
   Saw this today, quite amusing and it’s pretty much spot on!

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4. That JV tweet – the person he

   That JV tweet – the person he’s addressing doesn’t ask for road tax for cyclists, and I don’t think the axle weight formula was ever used for private cars? Isn’t now anyway so fairly ridiculous argument to make. Do sometimes wonder how much JV’s tweeting is a genuine desire to promote cycling and how much a desire to boost his profile…

   Disclaimer: may be biased as when I very politely once suggested that one of his close pass with a bus videos was actually at least partly his responsibility he encouraged his Twitter followers to join a pile-on (got some pretty foul DMs that day!) then when I (still politely) asked why he felt the need to do that he blocked me.

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   • I saw JV posted a clip the
     I saw JV posted a clip the other week he went sailing up the left side of a vehicle already indicating and moving across, and blamed the driver for getting in the way.

     I do think he treats his twitter abit like that channel 5 show he does sometimes.

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     • Awavey wrote:

       I saw JV posted a clip the other week he went sailing up the left side of a vehicle already indicating and moving across, and blamed the driver for getting in the way. I do think he treats his twitter abit like that channel 5 show he does sometimes.

       — Awavey

       Was he on a cycle lane at the time as otherwise that sounds like poor cycling?

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       • hawkinspeter wrote:

         Was he on a cycle lane at the time as otherwise that sounds like poor cycling?

         — hawkinspeter

         He was in the one I commented on – but then the cycle lane ended at a junction, with a bus stop 50m up on the other side, he exited the bike lane behind the front of the bus then objected to it pulling into the bus stop.

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       • One of those where the cycle
         One of those where the cycle lane markings just vanish before the junction IIRC, so its wrong for me to imply he was totally at fault, but it felt a very easily avoidable conflict shall we say.

         I dont think most experienced cyclists would have ridden that same situation as he did, and certainly not then spent as much time on Twitter arguing about it.

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         • I don’t think driving/cycling

           I don’t think driving/cycling should always be about assigning fault, but instead learning lessons about how to avoid conflict and admitting when in hindsight you’d make different choices. Twitter is all about who shouts the loudest and/or coming up with the funniest quips.

     • Vine has previously posted
       Vine has previously posted videos where you could clearly see a problem coming but he continued cycling into it just to take the moral high ground. Sometimes ease the brakes on for 2s even if you’re in the right. He’d be dead if he rode a motorbike like he cycles.

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   • Rendel Harris wrote:

     That JV tweet – the person he’s addressing doesn’t ask for road tax for cyclists, and I don’t think the axle weight formula was ever used for private cars? Isn’t now anyway so fairly ridiculous argument to make. Do sometimes wonder how much JV’s tweeting is a genuine desire to promote cycling and how much a desire to boost his profile…

     Disclaimer: may be biased as when I very politely once suggested that one of his close pass with a bus videos was actually at least partly his responsibility he encouraged his Twitter followers to join a pile-on (got some pretty foul DMs that day!) then when I (still politely) asked why he felt the need to do that he blocked me.

     — Rendel Harris

     Ha ha – you got blocked by Jeremy Vine!

     I think the mistake is trying to use Twitter for a reasoned debate – that’s not really what it’s about.

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     • Just for interest [sic] found

       Just for interest [sic] found this today, message sent to JV via his C5 and R2 shows. No response.

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       • JV is a complete dick. I used

         JV is a complete dick. I used to like him, and enjoy listening to his radio show. But he is such an idiot now that I cannot listen any more, much like the airhead Zoe Ball, I do not listen to Radio 2 any more. I accidentally caught a snip of his show when in a van with a colleague the other day, he was discussing whether it should be made against the law to rinse your dishes before putting in the dishwasher. Enough said Jeremy, time to hang up your headphones.

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5. While I generally agree with

   While I generally agree with the new road user hierarchy, it sits at odds with my experience of working in a distribution warehouse – the bigger and more dangerous a vehicle, the greater priority it has. A big forklift takes a lot of skill to drive, has reduced visibility and can cause serious injury and death; a pedestrian can stop and turn in an instant and poses almost no risk to anyone but themselves.

   But in my experience at least, people at work pay a lot more attention and are a lot more considerate of others, than people on the roads. So I reckon they’ve got it right.

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   • We were one of only 3

     We were one of only 3 countries in Europe (the others being Malta and Ireland) that didn’t have the concept of Presumed Liability enshrined in law.  It’s long overdue.

     https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/uk-cyclings-thriving-should-even-better-health-huw-watkins/?trackingId=NXvOExNeTU2z6fEtkQRzfQ%3D%3D

      

      

      

      

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   • Joe Nation wrote:

     While I generally agree with the new road user hierarchy, it sits at odds with my experience of working in a distribution warehouse – the bigger and more dangerous a vehicle, the greater priority it has. A big forklift takes a lot of skill to drive, has reduced visibility and can cause serious injury and death; a pedestrian can stop and turn in an instant and poses almost no risk to anyone but themselves.

     But in my experience at least, people at work pay a lot more attention and are a lot more considerate of others, than people on the roads. So I reckon they’ve got it right.

     — Joe Nation

     Our H&S dept is trying to reverse that convention – it’s happening slowly but surely, but it’s sometimes like pulling teeth. The reason it’s like that is exactly what you say – you can’t concentrate on being fast and being safe. The management teams bigger KPIs are about prod – MHE injuries are relatively rare, so aren’t assigned as high a priority. So make the victims the ones in the wrong – it’s all enshrined in the training, and management can wash their hands.

     In addition, the MHE drivers and other operatives all know each other, so the drivers do tend to take care, and each driver and operative is running the same area, with the same low-speed vehicles that aren’t penis extensions. Except the long forks maybe…..

      

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     • Captain Badger wrote:

       In addition, the MHE drivers and other operatives all know each other, so the drivers do tend to take care, and each driver and operative is running the same area, with the same low-speed vehicles that aren’t penis extensions. Except the long forks maybe…..

       — Captain Badger

       I used to put one of these on to move rolls of carpet at a hardware store. We called it “the carpet dick.”

        

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       • saw the comment without the

         saw the comment without the picture, disapointed this tool is fitted to a fork lift and not worn.

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       • I’ll never look at my
         I’ll never look at my shagpile in the same way again.

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       • andystow wrote:

         In addition, the MHE drivers and other operatives all know each other, so the drivers do tend to take care, and each driver and operative is running the same area, with the same low-speed vehicles that aren’t penis extensions. Except the long forks maybe…..

         — andystow

         I used to put one of these on to move rolls of carpet at a hardware store. We called it “the carpet dick.”

          

         — Captain Badger

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   • But that example is private

     But that example is private property with staff told certain safety guidleines and with also flashing lights and moving sounds usually used for the vehicles to alert as well. And even then I expect the onus is still on the operator of the vehicle to ensure it is safe to action in the actual print copies of the H and S policy for the company. 

      

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     • AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

       But that example is private property with staff told certain safety guidleines and with also flashing lights and moving sounds usually used for the vehicles to alert as well. And even then I expect the onus is still on the operator of the vehicle to ensure it is safe to action in the actual print copies of the H and S policy for the company. 

        

       — AlsoSomniloquism

       Yes, it’s a (relatively) highly controlled closed environment, where everyone knows each other personally, and what they’re doing. It shouldn’t be seen as an exemplar for road policy, with the possible exception of being able to swiftly revoke licences, and limiting the vehicles to low speed – ours are at 6mph inside the building

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6. Following on from the success

   Following on from the success of Clarkson’s Farm, I’d like to see a Clarkson holiday-by-bike series.

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   • Maybe all it was, was that

     Maybe all it was, was that Clarkson hadn’t realised you could make money from bicycles.  Now he knows that, maybe he’ll be all in favour of them…

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     • brooksby wrote:

       Maybe all it was, was that Clarkson hadn’t realised you could make money from bicycles.  Now he knows that, maybe he’ll be all in favour of them…

       — brooksby

       He’s made a couple of comments over the years about getting ‘ordinary’ people onto bikes and there was that time he was on holiday somewhere exotic where the only way he could get to the pub was by cycling 3km over a mountain. I suspect that he enjoys cycling (most people do when they give it a try) but his media persona requires a bit of cyclist bashing.

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     • Especially as that bike she’s

       Especially as that bike she’s riding costs £4,250 https://www.sigmasports.com/item/Specialized/Turbo-Como-SL-50-Electric-Hybrid-Bike-2021/TXFT

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       • I wonder why she doesn’t ask

         I wonder why she doesn’t ask her dad to get her a proper job so she can afford to buy a car.

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7. “meaning those with the

   “meaning those with the potential to cause the most danger to others will be deemed to have greater responsibility to those who are more vulnerable. Radical, I know…”     I remember many years ago being in a car in Thailand with a Thai driver, on an on-ramp to a dual carriage-way, north of Bangkok, on a very busy Friday afternoon. Everything was crawling due to traffic volumes. And when i asked him about the rules of the road his tongue in cheek, but truthful reply was ” the bigger your vehicle, the more right of way you have ” . Seems that way to me quite often when i on my bike in Dublin, and reading Road.cc comments re roads in UK I think things are even more difficult for cyclists in UK, but then population much higher = much higher traffic volumes, and I certainly remember noticing the contrast between Irish roads and UK roads when i lived in Yorkshire for a few years in late 90’s.  I hope the changes to the Highway Code result in safer roads for cyclists in UK , but it will of course need proper enforcement ….  

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   • Seagull2 wrote:

     I certainly remember noticing the contrast between Irish roads and UK roads when i lived in Yorkshire for a few years in late 90’s. 

     — Seagull2

     LOL at those busy Yorkshire roads, trying coming to the southeast

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     • LOL at those busy Yorkshire

       LOL at those busy Yorkshire roads, trying coming to the southeast

       Meanwhile, here in Chester, six cars at the lights constitues a traffic jam!

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8. I wonder what that rapper’s

   I wonder what that rapper’s frame was made of?

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9. What was that parks and rec
   What was that parks and rec bloke on about? Driver was in the other lane to overtake !
   No wonder the driver argued back so much.

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   • I suspect the fact he

     I suspect the fact P&R mentioned “Speed”, not the overtake. It was a MGIF and the arguing back also stated Parks and Rec was “in the middle of the road” (which he wasn’t) which is why the car driver had to “speed” (his words before backtracking) to save 10 seconds to get to his destination. 

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     • Yes, but to stop and give a
       Yes, but to stop and give a lecture on supposed speeding when someone has given you a wide berth is self defeating. I suspect the driver was surprised to be lectured and should have just stuck with ” I gave you loads of room stop complaining about nothing”.

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       • He is lecturing on a shit bit

         He is lecturing on a shit bit of driving. The BMW driver decided to speed past whilst  approaching traffic lights and a narrowing of road way, and one where  he couldn’t see around the corner and only did it because a cyclist was in front so MGIF. And this was after the cyclist had to move across to avoid what looked like poor road surface on that bit of junction. 

         I mean look at the whole situation, first car in front slowing to turn left, other car at junction just pulled out so they couldn’t overtake until that was cleared, not much room coming up and not really a clear view of the oncoming road in the split second the BMW driver decided to speed past the cyclist to then have to brake heavily again and saved himself 2-3 seconds at most. It was shit driving even if the initial pass might not have been “close”.

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         • AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

           He is lecturing on a shit bit of driving. The BMW driver decided to speed past whilst  approaching traffic lights and a narrowing of road way, and one where  he couldn’t see around the corner and only did it because a cyclist was in front so MGIF. And this was after the cyclist had to move across to avoid what looked like poor road surface on that bit of junction. 

           I mean look at the whole situation, first car in front slowing to turn left, other car at junction just pulled out so they couldn’t overtake until that was cleared, not much room coming up and not really a clear view of the oncoming road in the split second the BMW driver decided to speed past the cyclist to then have to brake heavily again and saved himself 2-3 seconds at most. It was shit driving even if the initial pass might not have been “close”.

           — AlsoSomniloquism

           The driver will have been confident nothing was coming the other way because it’s signal controlled, but I agree a completely pointless MGIF, particularly given you pretty much always hit traffic on the other side of the bridge.  I always take the lane through there – and on the other side – because I am nearly always taking the right turn after the bridge (because that’s the cut through to my house!)

         • I guess we are going to

           I guess we are going to disagree on this one. The driver could see the light were in his favour and the blue car was just about to go through the bridge so to me picked the best spot to overtake and gave a wide berth.

           In terms of mgif that’s retrospective as we don’t know whether the driver intended to stop or knew that there would be traffic the other side.

10. There’s something funny going

    There’s something funny going on here: Jeremy Vine is doing a lot of good work despite being on Radio (the horror, the horror!) 2, and Surrey Roads Policing Unit keeps coming up with sensible, worthy education and policies- but they haven’t yet been shut down by the Covert Daily Mail Counter-Cyclist Squad which seems to be in control of recruitment for all those cyclist- hating forces throughout the UK. SRPU seems too good to be true- anyone experienced any actual successful prosecutions of villains at their hands? Lancashire, for instance, has never prosecuted anyone for close passing a cyclist in the absence of buckets of cyclist blood on the road.

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11. Easy Parking. Zero Emissions.

    Easy Parking. Zero Emissions.  Easy Errands. No wonder Emily Clarkson loved it

    And associated with the Clarkson name too- can it get any better?! If only there was some way to get all the above but with improved health benefits, a feeling of accomplishment and money saving, but without relying on an electric motor and being tied to mains power every day!

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12. Of no great relevance to

    Of no great relevance to anything, but that Parks and Recreation video is literally two minutes from my house.

    I agree that it’s far from the worst overtake – but it’s also not the best place to overtake given the traffic lights and the road narrowing under the bridge.  (Also – although not on this occasion – there’s often a traffic jam once you come out the other side of the bridge, so often little to gain from the overtake.)

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    • Apart from MGIF

      Apart from MGIF

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