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Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)

“We have to buy this… for science”: Cyclists in awe (and a bit scared) of £80 “handmade” auction bike found online that “the longer you look the weirder it gets”, including bizarre “knee destroyer” cranks; TDF in UK reaction + more on the live blog

Welcome back to the live blog everybody, Dan Alexander has wrestled the blog keyboard (we only have one, you see) off Ryan and will be bringing you all your updates on this very sunny Thursday
  • by Dan Alexander
Thu, Mar 20, 2025 09:12
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SUMMARY

  • "Time to start looking for a devil costume": Reaction to Tour de France returning to UK shores with 2027 Grand Départs
  • EXCLUSIVE: Mark Cavendish spotted riding mystery new bike, featuring 'super aero' low-profile and custom yellow paint job
  • Alpecin-Deceuninck release statement on Jasper Philipsen crash, as defending champion's Milan-San Remo defence still in the balance
  • Boardman's new SLR road range on sale from today
  • The downside of using a VPN to set your location to Japan to look at dodgy auction bikes
  • "We talk about Britain's male cyclists – but we've had more female champions": Mark Cavendish says historic UK Tour de France Femmes Grand Départ is "fitting" and will inspire next generation
  • "Bury it deep, very deep. In a lead-lined coffin": Your thoughts on the Frankenbike
  • Jasper Philipsen WILL race Milan-San Remo this weekend, but Alpecin-Deceuninck temper expectations and say it "remains to be seen" if sprinter can be at his best
  • UCI president David Lappartient unsuccessful in bid for International Olympic Committee presidency
  • Specialized claims "7-watt power increase" with new top-of-the-range S-Works Ares 2 road racing shoes, priced at £479
  • Q36.5 celebrates Milan-San Remo with limited-edition jerseys commemorating iconic victories of Maurizio Fondriest and Vincenzo Nibali
  • Pro cyclist slapped with "laughable" fine after broken zip sees UCI claim open jersey Milano-Torino celebration "damaged image of the sport"
  • Remember the name! 19-year-old Matthew Brennan wins Grand Prix de Denain
  • "Taking a break from racing is the best step for my mental health and wellbeing": Cyclocross world champion Fem van Empel "temporarily" takes a step back from racing
  • "We have to buy this... for science": Cyclists in awe (and a bit scared) of £80 "handmade" auction bike found online that "the longer you look the weirder it gets", including bizarre "knee destroyer" cranks
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20 March 2025, 09:12

"Time to start looking for a devil costume": Reaction to Tour de France returning to UK shores with 2027 Grand Départs

Royal Mile, 2023 UCI Cycling World Championships, Men's Elite Road Race, Edinburgh to Glasgow, Scotland
Royal Mile, 2023 UCI Cycling World Championships, Men's Elite Road Race, Edinburgh to Glasgow, Scotland (Image Credit: Alex Broadway/SWpix.com)
Royal Mile, 2023 UCI Cycling World Championships, Men's Elite Road Race, Edinburgh to Glasgow, Scotland
Royal Mile, 2023 UCI Cycling World Championships, Men's Elite Road Race, Edinburgh to Glasgow, Scotland (Image Credit: Alex Broadway/SWpix.com)

There was a wee bit of cycling news last night, the Tour de France returning to the UK in the near future as Edinburgh is set to host the start of the Tour in 2027. Full route details are to be announced in the autumn but the opening three stages of the race will be held in Scotland, Wales, and England. It was also confirmed that the first three stages of the 2027 Tour de France Femmes will take place in the UK.

“Time to start looking for a devil costume,” road.cc reader Craig Robertson told us on Facebook.

Unsurprisingly, plenty of the discussion still revolves around the impending loss of free-to-air coverage of the race, even if Tour director Christian Prudhomme says he is optimistic a deal can be secured to ensure that the races’ UK-based opening stages will be available free-to-air.

alchemilla: “The first three stages might be free to view, but after that, we can’t watch any more. Seems like a kick in the teeth to UK viewers.”

HarrogateSpa: “I agree, TV coverage of three stages as a one-time-only does nothing for the sport of cycling.”

super_davo: “It’s a start. If it’s a success, there are big crowds and great viewing figures, then maybe that provides a route back to something akin to the ITV4 coverage. Before this announcement, was difficult to see the UK busting out of the loop that was making cycling ever more niche, this might be it.”

ubercurmudgeon: “I’m sure millions will line the route, to see the cyclists, as they did the last two times the Tour came to Britain, and yet we’re told there isn’t sufficient interest in cycling in this country for it to earn a place on free-to-air television, beyond maybe the first three stages because supposedly all people will be interested in is seeing helicopter shots of places they know.” 

20 March 2025, 09:12

EXCLUSIVE: Mark Cavendish spotted riding mystery new bike, featuring 'super aero' low-profile and custom yellow paint job

Mark Cavendish at 2027 Tour de France Grand Départ announcement in Edinburgh
Mark Cavendish at 2027 Tour de France Grand Départ announcement in Edinburgh (Image Credit: Simon Wilkinson/SWpix.com)
Mark Cavendish at 2027 Tour de France Grand Départ announcement in Edinburgh
Mark Cavendish at 2027 Tour de France Grand Départ announcement in Edinburgh (Image Credit: Simon Wilkinson/SWpix.com)

 

20 March 2025, 09:12

Alpecin-Deceuninck release statement on Jasper Philipsen crash, as defending champion's Milan-San Remo defence still in the balance

Jasper Philipsen Nokere Koerse crash 2025
Jasper Philipsen Nokere Koerse crash 2025 (Image Credit: TNT Sports)
Jasper Philipsen Nokere Koerse crash 2025
Jasper Philipsen Nokere Koerse crash 2025 (Image Credit: TNT Sports)

Not a whole lot more info regarding Japser Philipsen’s crash at Nokere Koerse yesterday, the Belgian taken away in an ambulance just days before he was set to race Milan-San Remo as part of Alpecin-Deceuninck’s line-up seeking to win the opening monument of the season for the third consecutive year.

In a statement on Instagram the team said: “Nokere Koerse ended in an anti-climax for us. After an impressive race with the entire squad in the spotlight, led by our captain Jasper Philipsen, we were gearing up for the sprint when Jasper crashed in the final kilometre.”

“I had nowhere to go,” the Belgian sprinter said. “This is really disappointing because I was feeling great and had my sights set on the win.”

He suffered multiple abrasions and required stitches on his right hand, the team continued, adding that they will “have to see how he recovers overnight before deciding whether he will defend his title at Milan-San Remo on Saturday”.

“We’ll update you as soon as we have more news,” Alpecin-Deceuninck said.

20 March 2025, 09:12

Boardman's new SLR road range on sale from today

2025-02 Boardman SLR 9.6
2025-02 Boardman SLR 9 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2025-02 Boardman SLR 9.6
2025-02 Boardman SLR 9 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Tech editor Mat has given me a nudge that Boardman’s new “four-season fast” SLR road range goes on sale today. At the end of February the bike brand announced a fully updated version of its SLR road bike that’s said to be faster, more comfortable and more versatile than previously, and better value, too. All the usual greatest hits for a bike launch then.

> Boardman unveils new “four-season fast” SLR road range… and the prices look attractive too

In fairness, the prices do appear to be extremely competitive. Complete bikes start at £1,400, while the Shimano 105 Di2-equipped model is £2,500, for example.

20 March 2025, 09:12

The downside of using a VPN to set your location to Japan to look at dodgy auction bikes

*Goes to plan route on Strava, remembers he forgot to turn off VPN after visiting Japanese Yahoo auctions.

Strava route planner
Strava route planner (Image Credit: Strava)
Strava route planner
Strava route planner (Image Credit: Strava)

 

20 March 2025, 09:12

"We talk about Britain's male cyclists – but we've had more female champions": Mark Cavendish says historic UK Tour de France Femmes Grand Départ is "fitting" and will inspire next generation

Bloomin’ heck, first ride of the year in short-sleeve jersey and bibs, it’s balmy out there. You just know by the time the 2027 Grand Départ comes around we’ll have lovely July rain and wind… especially in Scotland.

Mark Cavendish and Christian Prudhomme with children from Scottish Cycling at Edinburgh’s 2027 Tour de France announcement
Mark Cavendish and Christian Prudhomme with children from Scottish Cycling at Edinburgh’s 2027 Tour de France announcement (Image Credit: Simon Wilkinson/SWpix.com)
Mark Cavendish and Christian Prudhomme with children from Scottish Cycling at Edinburgh’s 2027 Tour de France announcement
Mark Cavendish and Christian Prudhomme with children from Scottish Cycling at Edinburgh’s 2027 Tour de France announcement (Image Credit: Simon Wilkinson/SWpix.com)

> “We talk about Britain’s male cyclists – but we’ve had more female champions”: Mark Cavendish says historic UK Tour de France Femmes Grand Départ is “fitting” and will inspire next generation

20 March 2025, 09:12

"Bury it deep, very deep. In a lead-lined coffin": Your thoughts on the Frankenbike

Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)
Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)

mdavidford called it the Frankenbike and we’re going to run with it. Shout-out to Paul Ashleigh who got in touch by email to flag the Alenax design of days past, seen in this video below (we’re putting you through a lot on today’s blog, I know)…

Back on the Yahoo auction monstrosity we found earlier, eburtthebike disagreed with the Reddit user who reckons it needs to be bought… for science purposes. “No.  Bury it deep, very deep. In a lead-lined coffin.”

GMBasix: “Did that once. Invited the bike into my garage. Would show you a photo of it, but for some reason the image wasn’t clear. Ended up burying it in a deep grave by a church above Whitby.

“On stormy days I can still hear the creak of the bottom bracket and the clatter of a gear change that never settles.

“I will never be free.”

20 March 2025, 09:12

Jasper Philipsen WILL race Milan-San Remo this weekend, but Alpecin-Deceuninck temper expectations and say it "remains to be seen" if sprinter can be at his best

 
 
 
 
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Some good news this afternoon is that Alpecin-Deceuninck have confirmed Jasper Philipsen will be on the start line to defend his Milan-San Remo title. 

“The crash obviously had a huge impact on my body,” Philipsen said in a statement released on Instagram. “With a lot of abrasions and a few stitches, it won’t be easy, but I want to give it a shot. And if I don’t feel great in the final, I will of course support the team. I am really happy I can start.”

Alpecin-Deceuninck also put a little disclaimer on the news, saying “whether he’ll be at his best after the crash in Nokere remains to be seen”.  

Meanwhile, Lidl-Trek’s social media admin has won the first announcement graphic title of the season.

 
 
 
 
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20 March 2025, 09:12

UCI president David Lappartient unsuccessful in bid for International Olympic Committee presidency

David Lappartient
David Lappartient (Image Credit: ASO/Charly Lopez)
David Lappartient
David Lappartient (Image Credit: ASO/Charly Lopez)

David Lappartient was unsuccessful in his bid for sport’s top job, Zimbabwe sports minister and multiple-time Olympic swimming champion Kirsty Coventry today earning the IOC presidency with a landslide victory in the first round of voting. Ah well, David, back to the sock length-measuring and tedious rider fines (more on that shortly).

> UCI president David Lappartient vows to stand up to Donald Trump in pitch for top Olympic job

UPDATE: The IOC has since released the voting figures, which show Lappartient received four of the 97 votes.

20 March 2025, 09:12

Specialized claims "7-watt power increase" with new top-of-the-range S-Works Ares 2 road racing shoes, priced at £479

Specialized S-Works Ares 2 road racing shoes March 2025
Specialized S-Works Ares 2 road racing shoes March 2025 (Image Credit: Specialized)
Specialized S-Works Ares 2 road racing shoes March 2025
Specialized S-Works Ares 2 road racing shoes March 2025 (Image Credit: Specialized)

> Specialized claims “7-watt power increase” with new top-of-the-range S-Works Ares 2 road racing shoes, priced at £479

20 March 2025, 09:12

Q36.5 celebrates Milan-San Remo with limited-edition jerseys commemorating iconic victories of Maurizio Fondriest and Vincenzo Nibali

Q36.5 San Remo jerseys
Q36 (Image Credit: Q36.5)
Q36.5 San Remo jerseys
Q36 (Image Credit: Q36.5)

Cycling clothing brand Q36.5 is celebrating Milan-San Remo coming around again by releasing two limited-edition Gregarius Pro jerseys commemorating the iconic victories of Maurizio Fondriest and Vincenzo Nibali.

Q36.5 San Remo jerseys
Q36 (Image Credit: Q36.5)
Q36.5 San Remo jerseys
Q36 (Image Credit: Q36.5)

Q36.5 San Remo jerseys
Q36 (Image Credit: Q36.5)
Q36.5 San Remo jerseys
Q36 (Image Credit: Q36.5)

“Designed with elite craftsmanship and innovation, these jerseys pay tribute to two unforgettable moments in cycling history, where tactical brilliance, endurance, and sheer determination led to legendary victories on the Via Roma,” Q36.5 said of the project.

They’re available to buy from today, a “true collector’s item” according to the brand, and in sizes from XXS to XXXL, priced at £130. Let’s hope there’s a Pidcock edition for next year… not that we’re biased or anything.

20 March 2025, 09:12

Pro cyclist slapped with "laughable" fine after broken zip sees UCI claim open jersey Milano-Torino celebration "damaged image of the sport"

Back to the day job, Mr Lappartient… 

Isaac Del Toro wins 2025 Milano-Torino with jersey zip broken
Isaac Del Toro wins 2025 Milano-Torino with jersey zip broken (Image Credit: LaPresse)
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Isaac Del Toro wins 2025 Milano-Torino with jersey zip broken (Image Credit: LaPresse)

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"Taking a break from racing is the best step for my mental health and wellbeing": Cyclocross world champion Fem van Empel "temporarily" takes a step back from racing

Lucinda Brand and Fem van Empel, 2025 world cyclocross championships, Liévin
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“As a team, we fully support Fem in taking the time and space she needs. We will stand by her side throughout this journey and wish her a smooth recovery,” the team said.

The statement also included a quote from Van Empel who said: “In recent years, I’ve been on an incredible journey – winning three world and European titles at the highest level of cyclocross. This has required a lot of dedication and daily commitment. Right now, I’m facing some challenges. After discussing it with the team, we’ve decided that taking a break from racing is the best step for my mental health and wellbeing. I’ll focus on my recovery with the goal of coming back stronger.”

20 March 2025, 09:12

"We have to buy this... for science": Cyclists in awe (and a bit scared) of £80 "handmade" auction bike found online that "the longer you look the weirder it gets", including bizarre "knee destroyer" cranks

Brace yourselves, the good people of Reddit have found another online auction bike that’s equal parts intriguing, equal parts absolutely terrifying.

Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)
Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)

We’ve been staring at it for most of the morning and are still not 100 per cent sure what we’re looking at. As one Reddit user put it, “The longer you look the weirder it gets”. The context is that this is up on Yahoo auctions in Japan so, naturally, we stuck a VPN on and went to have a look. The highest current bid is 16,000 Japanese Yen (£83) and the bidding ends just after 9pm tonight.

Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)
Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)

The seller explains: “A vintage homemade road bike. There is no manufacturer information and it is an old item, so please consider it as is. We would appreciate it if you could judge the condition from the images as much as possible. Everything in the photos is included. Please look at the photos and consider your purchase.”

We shall try to judge it from the pictures, as asked, although something tells me there’ll probably still be quite a few questions. That crankset is what got most people talking online, it quickly dubbed the ‘Knee Destroyer 2000’ or the bike that only goes down hills. A few intrigued people had suggestions, perhaps that it is “trying to emulate a running motion”.

Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)
Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)

Someone else said: “Those few inventors attempting to change how cyclists pedal their bikes, in this case — an experimental prototype tested only on a closed track — some wanting to emulate walking or running, while trying to achieve higher speeds.”

Another user commented: “My guess is to try to mimic running for a tri athlete who runs more than bikes. My guess also is it failed to improve anything for anybody. Unless maybe the user had a range of motion injury it helped with….which given it reduces how high up your knee comes, seems possible.”

Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)
Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)

On the injury idea, someone else suggested they’d heard a story from a pro bike fitter who’d had to make some sort of modification that sounded a bit like this. “It was hard to imagine at the time as there were no pics,” they said, but it was “for someone who had surgery on their knee, lost range of motion, and didn’t have enough bend in their knee to keep riding a bike”.

The other big question people wanting answered was… how does it ride? We’re going to guess not incredibly comfortably. Now there’s an idea, perhaps we should make an ‘investment’ and see how Jamie goes on it for your YouTube-viewing pleasure?

Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)
Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)

One commenter said: “This thing is amazing, I’d absolutely watch a long form YouTube review of this as they break down every very important mod done and the dental work after hitting one pothole.”

Another made the interesting point that it’s been built with Dura-Ace rather than just whatever cheap groupset they could get their hands on, so obviously the “builder must be some kind of mad scientist genius with humongous quads”… it’s only logical.

Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)
Bizarre auction bike
Bizarre auction bike (Image Credit: Yahoo auctions)

From the bars, to the “spaghetti rear end”, random rear light (suggesting it’s not just a track bike), Dura-Ace, that saddle, the rear derailleur cable routing straight through the frame, oh… and the frame and cranks… it certainly takes a lot of working out. Here’s the link if anyone wants to put a bid down because, after all that, why wouldn’t you want it? Comfort, practicality, financial and potential safety issues aside…

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  1. mdavidford
    March 20, 2025 at 11:00 am
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    Link to the Frankenbike doesn

    Link to the Frankenbike doesn’t appear to work (not without a VPN to make it think you’re in Japan, anyway).

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  2. eburtthebike
    March 20, 2025 at 11:55 am
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    “We have to buy this… for

    “We have to buy this… for science”

    No.  Bury it deep, very deep.  In a lead lined coffin.

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    • GMBasix
      March 20, 2025 at 12:49 pm
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      eburtthebike wrote:

      “We have to buy this… for science”

      No.  Bury it deep, very deep.  In a lead lined coffin.

      — eburtthebike

      Did that once. Invited the bike into my garage. Would show you a photo of it, but for some reason the image wasn’t clear. Ended up burying it in a deep grave by a church above Whitby.

      On stormy days I can still hear the creak of the bottom bracket and the clatter of a gear change that never settles.

      I will never be free.

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  3. Tom_77
    March 20, 2025 at 12:52 pm
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    Guardian article – Rush-hour

    Guardian article – Rush-hour rewards: how extreme is your commute?

    Cable car, unicycle, a 53-mile coastal bike ride… Meet five commuters who are that rare breed – workers who relish their commute

    A bit concerned about the woman who drives 2 1/2 hours and then catches a plane:

    “On the drive, I listen to podcasts and audiobooks. I’ll sometimes have meetings, or I’ll just call a friend.”

     

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    • Mr Regulation 109
      March 20, 2025 at 2:00 pm
      0

      I despair at the impotence of

      I despair at the impotence of the Department for Transport and Home Office, it is bad enough Regulation 110 only applies to devices held in the hand, but why have you not acted to ban all drivers engaging in Zoom meetings?

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      • GMBasix
        March 20, 2025 at 2:24 pm
        0

        If it involves the driver

        If it involves the driver seeing the screen of others, it is banned – video is specifically not allowed;

        If the driver is distracted, it is an example of driving without due care. Hard to prove, but if it was demonstrated to be the case preceding a collision or another offence, it might be taken as contributory.

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    • Rome73
      March 21, 2025 at 6:45 am
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      ‘A bit concerned about the

      ‘A bit concerned about the woman who drives 2 1/2 hours and then catches a plane’

      i actually used to do that. The drive was about 1.5 hours and then fly to work. Not every day but twice a week, there and back and then again on Monday. After three years I’d had enough. 

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  4. dubwise
    March 20, 2025 at 3:34 pm
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    The good old uni at it again.
    The good old uci at it again.

    del Torro fined for bringing the sport into disrepute because of a broken zip on his skinsuit.

    Beggars belief.

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  5. OldRidgeback
    March 20, 2025 at 6:12 pm
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    What the Frankenbike needs is

    What the Frankenbike needs is some good old L-shaped cranks

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  6. Sredlums
    March 21, 2025 at 12:00 pm
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    Not completely sure if that

    Not completely sure if that was implied, but that Frankenbike does not have the Alenax system. I looks kinda the same with those long crank arms, but other than that it really isn’t the same.

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    • mdavidford
      March 21, 2025 at 12:15 pm
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      It looks like it would give

      It looks like it would give you more of a sideways elliptical motion – like a cross-trainer – rather than the up-and-down of the Alenax.

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      • Sredlums
        March 21, 2025 at 6:01 pm
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        I honestly can not yet get my

        I honestly can not yet get my head around how this thing is supposed to work. What I do know is that it does not have the chain on each side, running from the upward part of the cranks to the cogs and being attached to eachother via a (cable running over a) pulley under the bottom bracket, that is the essence of an Alenax.

        The Frankenbike has a conventional chain/cassette setup. The only puzzling part is how that chain is rotated forward.

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mdavidford 10 minutes ago

That's... not right. The prosecution has to* prove beyond reasonable doubt that the offence was committed, but not that every single detail of statements made by their witnesses is accurate. And HoarseMann is correct that it doesn't mean the same as "with absolute certainty", otherwise it would be "beyond *all* doubt". [* More accurately, should have to. In practice, when it comes to offences against cyclists, the system often does seem to demand that it's proven beyond unreasonable doubt as well, but that's not what the standard is supposed to be, or what's applied to other offences. ]

in: Police say “Operation SNAP has become so successful” as they continue not to investigate close passes without being able to measure passing distances
Paul J 26 minutes ago

Completely agree. Neutralising GC half way through a stage is just utterly absurd. What are they thinking? Imagine if Del Toro had not made it back on in time, what would have happened then? He'd have lost the white jersey *because* of ASOs dumb decision to try protect the starting GC standings. Either the GC standings are frozen at the gun (still requiring them to finish) or they should be taken at the end of the stage.

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TrainWalkWheel 41 minutes ago

HoarseMann, Beyond reasonable doubt means precisely that. If a witness statement mentions a distance "he was less than a metre from me" then the prosecution needs to be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the distance was less than a metre. Can't do that, then no conviction. It's a function of us not having a minimum passing distance law in the UK, the highway code gives a guide figure but certain cycling accounts push for this as an absolute figure which it isn't. This mena that the more precise people try to be in statements the less chance they have of a successful prosecution. It's a case of being careful what you wish for.

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A while ago I spoke to a team leader for the Met police's unit that deals with dangerous driving reports. They said that the Met police seniors spoke to court/prosecution staff to find out which cases were most successfull, to work out which reports to prioritise/NFA as they are now getting too many to handle in a timely manner. I think this might have been after the 2022 highway code update and the answer was phone use given it is pretty much a slam dunk with good evidence. So I guess Wales police are basically taking this approach to the nth degree.

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lesterama 1 hour ago

That last stage was EPIC. But, by neutralising the GC, it almost becomes a classic at the end of a grand tour. I want a bit of jeopardy all the way to the final finish line.

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Well, no, because if the times are taken before they get to the climb there isn't going to be the terrain on which to make a 20-30 second difference, so it would be pointless, just as it was when it was a flat stage.

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Gravel1-2 2 hours ago

Matches the trend seen in other sports as well (particularly marathon running) where the drop off/wall isn’t there any more. Nutrition would be the legal explanation for it, and it does seem to have ‘flattened’ the risk profile for going for it in endurance sports, people don’t blow up like they used to. The tour is also gradually getting shorter. Pre 2011 it was usually over 3500km in total, and pre 1985 sometimes over 4000km, whereas there’s only been 3 since 2011 over 3500km. (This year was the shortest tour since 1905). So you’ve got athletes better prepared, better fuelled and with less risk of failure from riding hard all day, racing over shorter distances on better bikes (again like how marathon runners now have modern super shoes). When you put it like that it’s not surprising they’re going a lot faster!

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HoarseMann 2 hours ago

Someone needs to tell these police forces that "beyond reasonable doubt" does not mean "with absolute certainty", especially when the penalty is a minor fine or, more likely, an education course.

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@OnYerBike Just scrolling past the thumbnail of that video, I assumed they were quoting minutes and seconds, not seconds! Though to be fair, they were using a mains powered angle grinder, I assume a cordless would take a bit longer.

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