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Should cycling websites leave results out of their Tour de France reports?; Councillor claims cycle network is “at risk of collapse”, but locals say “it’s long dead”; Should Jonas have worked for Wout?; When drivers block your PB + more on the live blog

It’s Monday, and after a bumper weekend on the sofa watching every minute of the Tour, Ryan Mallon’s back for another yellow-themed week on the live blog

SUMMARY

03 July 2023, 12:10
Should cycling websites leave results out of their Tour de France reports?

No, I haven’t gone mad (especially after a morning writing almost solely about the Tour de France) – that is a genuine debate currently taking place on the road.cc forum.

road.cc Forum - Tour spoilers

“I, like many people who also have full time jobs and busy lives, watch most of my TDF on highlights shows or on catch up and it really takes the edge off when I know how the stage is going to end,” the OP says.

“Journalists will often make the reader get to the end of an article to discover which tyre lever is the best on the latest consumer test but are falling over themselves to tell you the outcome of a sporting event. This is arguably one of the few headlines where clickbait is genuinely justified.

“I don’t want to have to avoid road.cc during the racing season so please stop giving the result away in the headline.”

What do you reckon? Does the ‘Result Spoiler Alert’ poster have a point? Should websites about cycling refrain from mentioning things that happened in a cycle race – the biggest one of the lot, too – on their cycling website? Should we adopt more ambiguous headlines for people who aim to avoid all mention of the results but don’t mind scrolling on cycling websites as they wait?

Adam Yates wins 2023 Tour de France stage one (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

Probably need to blur these faces out next time…

Could headlines like ‘These twins are both racing the Tour de France together… You won’t believe what happened next’ catch on?

Well, until then, I suppose we better figure out a way to avoid finding out the results of bike races, published on cycling websites. There must be a way, surely…

03 July 2023, 16:28
Me, trying my best to avoid finding out who won today’s sprint at the Tour…

If you’re set on watching the highlights later tonight and don’t want any spoilers, best not to keep scrolling…

03 July 2023, 16:01
Tour de France: Jasper Philipsen wins chaotic sprint after stunning Van der Poel lead out (as Mark Cavendish finishes sixth)

Jasper Philipsen has picked up right where he left off at the Tour de France, winning a chaotic sprint into Bayonne after a stunning lead out from his Alpecin-Deceuninck teammate Mathieu van der Poel.

The 25-year-old Belgian, who won the last bunch gallop contested at the Tour, in Paris last year, jumped off the wheel of the incredibly strong Van der Poel with 200m to go and held off Bahrain Victorious’ Phil Bauhaus, who secured a promising second place on only his third Tour stage, and Caleb Ewan to put down an ominous marker for the rest of the race.

However, for a good twenty minutes after the finish, there were murmurings that an anxious-looking Philipsen may have been on the receiving end of a disqualification for deviating from his line during the sprint, a move which appeared to nudge Wout van Aert slightly into the barriers. 

However – at least in this writer’s opinion – such a punishment had it occurred would have been terribly harsh, considering that Philipsen’s slight movement to the right was compounded by the direction of the road and the barriers, which in many ways jutted out at a more extreme angle than the Belgian’s sprint.

“There was a bit of doubt, and they made it really exciting in the end,” a notably relieved Philipsen said of the jury’s decision after being told that he had, in fact, won his third career Tour stage.

Away from the prolonged controversy at the finish line, Mark Cavendish didn’t manage Tour win no. 35, but he was at least very much involved in the heart of the action, securing a very encouraging sixth place after a difficult finale.

Don’t be writing that record off just yet…

03 July 2023, 15:25
Cyclists call out latest bike lane vandalism as Manchester named ‘worst in Europe for green transport’
A56 cycle lane (@jbizzleymcbizzl/Twitter)

In the same week that a report into the state of shared and zero-emission mobility in European cities ranked Manchester as the 'worst in Europe for clean and green transport', Mancunian cyclists have found one of their cycle lanes under attack from vandals removing segregation cones to turn the bike lane into a third motor vehicle lane.

Photos shared on social media show the A56 in Trafford reopened to three lanes again, the lane that was a dedicated cycle lane, formerly separated from traffic with cones, once again filled with queueing vehicles, and the removed cones stacked at the side of the road.

Read more: > Cyclists call out latest bike lane vandalism as Manchester named ‘worst in Europe for green transport’

03 July 2023, 14:55
Mark Cavendish, 2023 Tour de France team presentation (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
Is today the day Mark Cavendish finally breaks THAT record?

As today’s Tour de France stage to Bayonne winds its way to an inevitable first bunch kick of the Tour, our attention at road.cc HQ just as inevitably turns to the question on everyone’s lips: Can Mark Cavendish finally break the Tour’s all-time stage win record this year?

Supersurvey

And while we’re all waiting to see if Cav can create history this afternoon, join me in counting down the Manx Missile’s greatest victories at La Grande Boucle (and let me know if I missed out your favourites!)…

Mark Cavendish wins stage 21 of the 2012 Tour de France (A.S.O./Bruno Bade)

> Mark Cavendish’s top 10 greatest Tour de France stage wins

03 July 2023, 13:55
A day for the scenery at the Tour

Well, at least the first two stages were exciting…

03 July 2023, 13:21
Victor Lafay wins stage 2 of the 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Could Tour surprise package Victor Lafay be on his way to Ineos?

Well, that’s according to GCN’s transfer-sleuth-in-chief, Daniel Benson, who tweeted today that the Cofidis rider – who briefly jumped off the front again earlier today to take some additional points for the green jersey – has been in talks with the British squad for quite a while.

“The rumours of Victor Lafay to Ineos Grenadiers first sprang up months ago and are not related to recent events at the Tour,” Benson tweeted this morning. “He’s been on their radar for some time, he wants a move, and a deal was apparently very close well before the race.”

Say it ain’t so, Victor, the French – and I – will cry upon hearing those rumours. And if it is so, make sure you renegotiate your contract based on the past two days…

03 July 2023, 12:45
Elisa Longo Borghini outsprints Veronica Ewers after putting Annemiek van Vleuten under pressure at Giro d’Italia Donne

There aren’t too many better sights in cycling than the Tricolore crossing the line first at the Giro… (Ooops, spoiler alert!)

Italian champion Elisa Longo Borghini took her second career stage win at the Giro Donne this afternoon, outsprinting Veronica Ewers and Annemiek van Vleuten in Borgo Val di Taro, after putting the pink jersey under pressure on a descent towards the finish.

EF Education’s 28-year-old American Ewers was the first of the favourites to strike out on today’s hilly stage, attacking solo with 35km to go, a move that would ultimately move her up to third on GC. After brief bursts from Marta Cavalli and Silvia Persico, Van Vleuten finally jumped across on the final climb of the Strela, with Longo Borghini in tow.

After the duo had bridged up to Ewers, Longo Borghini attempted to put Van Vleuten under pressure on the twisty descent. But with the Dutchwoman refusing to budge, the Italian champion had to settle for easily outsprinting the pink jersey – and taking some valuable bonus seconds, cutting the gap to 49 seconds before tomorrow’s decisive mountain stage – and second placed Ewers for a popular home win.

03 July 2023, 11:40
Victor Lafay wins stage 2 of the 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
road.cc: (Almost) Getting race predictions right since 2008

I have to say, I was feeling a bit smug when Victor Lafay crossed the line first in San Sebastián yesterday, because – as some of you may know – in our Tour preview, I predicted that Cofidis’ 15-year-long stage win drought at the Tour, stretching all the way back to Sylvain Chavanel in Montlucon in 2008, would come to an end this year.

Tour prediction

Okay, okay, I picked the wrong rider responsible for ending the drought, but still, I was very close…

Cofidis celebrates Victor Lafay winning stage 2 of the 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

On a serious note (although I do take my predictions very seriously), fair play to Cofidis – as a sponsor, they stuck by a team whose name had become synonymous with the ingrained doping culture of cycling in the 2000s, rebuilt the squad around young French talent, and spent over a decade in the wilderness in the process.

That gulf in wins between 2008 (arguably the year professional cycling hit its lowest ebb, as sponsors bailed like rats from a nuclear-powered ship) and yesterday’s scintillating victory by Lafay is no accident. The French squad are now simply, and finally, reaping the benefits of persistence and stubbornness in a sport where short cuts can be so appealing (and were to the Cofidis teams of certain eras).

Fair play, in more ways than one, I assume.

03 July 2023, 11:24
Answering the important questions at the Giro Donne

While Annemiek van Vleuten has been busy reminding everyone who’s boss early on at this year’s Giro Donne, one roadside fan appears to be on her own mission to defend Italian cuisine from those sacrilegious foreign knock-offs:

Can’t wait for her ‘Pineapple does not belong on a pizza’ sign today. At least we know Elisa Longo Borghini would approve…

03 July 2023, 11:17
Office alliances, hidden screens, incognito commentary, sick days, lunch hour manipulation, and tactical working from home — here’s how to pull off a Tour-watching stage win at work...

As the first weekday stage of the Tour gets underway (with polka dot-clad Neilson Powless and Laurent Pichon already up the road on a hiding to nothing), it’s time to pull out a road.cc classic guide: How to get away with watching the race at work…

Mark Cavendish Tour de France 2023 stage one (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

> Watching the Tour de France at work: a stealthy cycling fan's guide 

03 July 2023, 10:58
“You can’t park there mate!” Those pesky motorists, always holding me up when I’m going for a PB…

Spare a thought for poor Fred here, who was all set to record his best ever time on the Lake District’s iconic Hardknott Pass when a van driver got, ahem, stuck on one of the climb’s many bends, blocking his path to Strava immortality (or at least a new PB)…

Oh, the pain, it’s not worth thinking about.

Hills aficionado Simon Warren, meanwhile, has the perfect solution for when your PB attempt is blocked by some poor driving:

To be honest, I’d probably just turn right away and head for the nearest café…

03 July 2023, 10:44
Adam Yates wins 2023 Tour de France stage one (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
Brothers in Yellow and Green

It’s not been a bad start to the Tour for Bury’s finest bike-racing twins…

03 July 2023, 10:32
Meanwhile, on the UAE Team Emirates bus…

Choose your fighter: Dogs and tunes? Or tetchiness and awkward silences? Hmmm…. 

03 July 2023, 09:28
Victor Lafay wins stage two of the 2023 Tour de France as Wout van Aert reacts angrily behind (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)
The team door slams, Jumbo’s plans fail: The Vingegaard and Van Aert Show dominates discussion during frantic opening Tour weekend – as Pogačar takes the piss

The Basque crowds, hills, the Yates twins 1-2, Adam in the yellow jersey, the GC battle already bursting into life, more hills, idiots with tacks trying to ruin the race, UAE Team Emirates and Tadej Pogačar racing like there’s no tomorrow, Cofidis ending their 15-year win drought at the Tour, Victor Lafay stealing all our hearts

It’s been quite the start to the Tour de France, hasn’t it?

And even after one of the race’s greatest, and hardest, opening weekends ever, one storyline – which we all scoffed at when it was hammered at us relentlessly during the recent Netflix Tour series – has dominated discussion between cycling fans: What is going on between Jonas Vingegaard and Wout van Aert?

It’s certainly been a frustrating start to the Tour for Jumbo-Visma. While their big rivals, UAE, have grabbed the race by the scruff of the neck (a bit too ferociously at times, eh Mikkel Bjerg?) and seem to be enjoying themselves while doing so, frustration seems to be the name of the game so far for the Dutch super team.

Wout van Aert and Jonas Vingegaard, stage 2, 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Zac Williams/SWpix.com

Despite, as usual, boasting numerical superiority in the run-in to Bilbao on Saturday, they were outdone by the might of the Yates twins up ahead, with a lacklustre Van Aert forced to settle for 11th after having his eyes originally set on the first yellow jersey of the race.

Things got even more frustrating for the Belgian star yesterday in San Sebastián, where – despite those yellow and black jerseys dominating the small bunch that survived the Jaizkibel – Cofidis’ Victor Lafay timed his attack to perfection amidst the chaos to once again thwart the Jumbo-Visma numbers, and prompt an angry second-placed Van Aert to throw his arms around as he crossed the line.

The frustration didn’t end there for the Belgian all-rounder. He threw his bottle to the ground before riding on past reporters, refusing to speak to them. At the team bus, he banged his bike down with a thud before letting out an exasperated shout. The 28-year-old was then filmed sulkily getting into a team car for the trip back to the hotel, away from his teammates on the bus.

According to the Belgian press, anyway, Van Aert’s post-stage actions were entirely justified – because, they say, he would have won both opening stages if Jonas Vingegaard had decided to pull on the front just for once.

While that charge against last year’s Tour winner was perhaps unfounded on stage one – the uphill drag to the finish in Bilbao would have left him open to shipping valuable seconds if he’d wasted energy in the wind – the Dane’s decision to sit tight and focus solely on GC yesterday, as teammate Wilco Kelderman floundered at the front, creating the opening for Lafay to strike, certainly raised eyebrows, considering one turn from Vingegaard towards the end would have likely granted Van Aert and the team a morale-boosting win.

Instead, Vingegaard and Jumbo-Visma’s tendency towards conservatism – a trait, it seems, not shared by UAE Team Emirates – has opened a can of worms when it comes to internal team dynamics and sparked a Twitter debate between the squad’s two fan factions: Team Wout and Team Jonas.

Should Vingegaard have pulled, just a bit, to ensure Van Aert secured his stage win, knowing that the Belgian will soon be working for him in the mountains? Or is last year’s Tour winner right to conserve his energy and focus purely on the yellow jersey, which is the team’s main aim, anyway?

2023 Tour de France Stage 1 Vingegaared © Zac WiLLIAMS SWpix.com (t-a Photography Hub Ltd) - 1

Zac Williams/SWpix.com

The Dane, it seems, is unimpressed with the accusations in the Belgian press that he’s not helping out Van Aert enough.

“I think it’s also not fair,” he said at the finish yesterday. “I think I already did something for Wout. I could have been selfish and pulled with Pogačar, so in that case I was also kind of helping in that I didn’t pull.

“For me, I only have to focus on the GC. Of course, we have different goals. I think we’re all super disappointed, me as well, and we all wanted Wout to win today.”

All that Jumbo-Visma drama, meanwhile, proved perfect comic fodder for Tadej Pogačar, who was filmed reenacting Van Aert’s angry bottle throw for the amusement of yellow jersey-wearing teammate Adam Yates, while the two-time winner was also heard commenting that Van Aert was acting “like a child” after his defeat.

Netflix must be licking their lips…

03 July 2023, 08:58
Weekend round-up
03 July 2023, 08:03
Belfast cycling infrastructure (movingturtle, Twitter)
“They are to cycle lane construction what Spinal Tap are to rock and roll tours”: Councillor claims city’s cycle network is “at risk of collapse”, as locals say it’s “long dead” and blast “lethally dangerous” new ‘murder strip’

As the Basque Country treated us to a weekend of joyous, infectious bike-loving scenes at the Tour de France (tack-throwing idiots aside, of course), another city with its eye on hosting the race’s Grand Départ in a few years’ time – Belfast – was busy getting skewered once again for what seems like a lack of any kind of enthusiasm or direction when it comes to cycling infrastructure.

As we’ve noted in the past on the live blog, Belfast’s 10-year Cycle Network Plan, unveiled in 2021 by then-infrastructure minister Nichola Mallon, has been slow in getting off the ground (unlike the parked cars that tend to litter the few cycle lanes the city currently has).

Cycle lane parking in Belfast (credit - Dominic Bryan, Twitter)

> “This is the reality of cycling in Belfast”: Cyclists blast ‘protected’ bike lane packed with parked cars and bins

However, at the weekend, one local councillor claimed that the Cycle Network Plan was “already at risk of collapse” and about to be superseded by a new travel plan, a final draft of which won’t be submitted until late next year.

“Whilst the Belfast Cycle Network Plan is a deeply flawed plan by the Department for Infrastructure (DfI), it has the potential to lay the groundwork for a better cycling network across the city than currently exists, which is something that we absolutely must strive for,” Micky Murray, a Belfast City Councillor for the Alliance Party, told Belfast Live.

““The main arterial routes of Lisburn Road and Malone Road aren’t due to have cycling infrastructure in place until 2028-31, and the Upper Malone Road, Upper Lisburn Road, and Finaghy Road South have all been completely ignored in the plan.

“Now it emerges that the Department’s new Belfast Metropolitan Transport Plan, which won’t have a final draft until late 2024, may take priority.”

> Government says Belfast bike lanes are “advisory” – after local cyclists claim they are “completely unusable” due to parked cars

He continued: “Despite there being a huge need and want for safe cycling infrastructure across our city, and the Department stating that walking, wheeling, and cycling, are above public transport in their priorities, the Cycle Network Plan is already at risk of collapse. It’s so incredibly frustrating.

“There has been next to no delivery on the plan to date, and with 10 percent of the overall transport budget to be spent on active travel, it really makes you question just how serious DfI are about prioritising active travel and achieving net zero.”

> Sinn Féin minister “neglecting Northern Ireland’s future” and “locking us all into a fossil-fuelled dark age”, says Cycling UK

While Murray claims that Belfast’s cycle plan is doomed under the new proposals, many local cyclists are convinced it’s already dead, anyway.

“There has been zero metres of new cycling infrastructure in the last two years, Micky Murray. It’s long dead,” tweeted Brian Shannon.

Mark Rafferty agreed: “No drive towards net zero. Welcoming cars into the city centre. No parking enforcement. Public transport is patchy at best. A right shambles.”

That “right shambles” was perhaps underlined this weekend by the latest piece of cycling infra to get a fresh lick of paint in Belfast. Though not that we’d ever call ‘murder strips’ like this one on the Cregagh Road a proper cycle lane…

“I seriously cannot understand the point,” wrote Patrick. “Anyone not feeling confident heading off on a bike is not going to try and tackle that. The Department for Infrastructure should not have bothered spending the money, but sadly will tout this as part of a huge investment in active travel.”

“Putting people in lethal danger for a box ticking exercise. Madness,” said political commentator Newton Emerson.

“Honestly, the DfI just take the piss don’t they?” added Dominic Bryan. “They are to cycle lane construction what Spinal Tap are to rock and roll tours.”

11/10 for the Spinal Tap reference, Dom, great work.

Responding to the claims that the travel plans would put the city’s current, ahem, focus on cycling in jeopardy, a DfI spokesperson: “The Belfast Metropolitan Transport Plan is at an early stage of development and will prioritise journeys made by walking and wheeling, cycling and public transport.

“It aims to incorporate the Belfast Cycling Network (BCN) while considering how we best utilise our existing road space to retain a functioning transport network that serves the needs of the Belfast community. Whilst this may ultimately involve some changes from those outlined within the BCN, should this be required the Department will seek to identify additional segregated cycling routes.

“The Department remains committed to improving our cycling and public transport infrastructure as this is a crucial way in which we help to bring about a reduction in car traffic.”

> Cycling UK slams Northern Ireland's "baffling" Tour de France bid when active travel strategy puts cyclists "at risk"

The backlash against Belfast’s admittedly rudimentary attempts at making the city safer for cyclists echoes the disbelief expressed by some campaigners at the news that Northern Ireland appears very keen to host the Tour de France later this decade.

Back in November, the news that Northern Ireland is preparing a joint bid with the Irish government to host the Tour around 2027 or so was described by Cycling UK as “baffling”, especially when everyday safety policy in the region is still putting cyclists “at risk” and omits recent Highway Code changes.

Cycling UK’s spokesperson in Northern Ireland, Andrew McClean, stressed that whilst the charity would “love” to see the race return to the island of Ireland, “a real lasting legacy for cycling would be for Northern Ireland to stop ignoring the essential work required to help people travel cheaply, sustainably, and safely by bike”.

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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luk | 1 year ago
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But why TDF ? They are way more interesting sports facing the same problem, like DH, you can't open Instagram or bike portals before you watch it.

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HLaB | 1 year ago
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The worst spoilers for me are the BBC after taking about 6months or more to even mention cycling they'll blurt out the resul if a Brit has won  7

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eburtthebike replied to HLaB | 1 year ago
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HLaB wrote:

The worst spoilers for me are the BBC after taking about 6months or more to even mention cycling they'll blurt out the resul if a Brit has won  7

Yes, it's wierd isn't it?  After almost completely ignoring cycling for the past fifty years, they've suddenly decided to feature it in prime time news.

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Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Well... I am lucky enough to work from home doing stuff that means I can have the whole stage on from start to finish while I work, but I can certainly see both sides of the argument. Would it not be possible, at least until up to a reasonable time when most people would've got home from work and been able to watch the highlights, to just have a "click here for today's Tour de France news" box at the top of the front page rather than the results? 

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Cugel replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

Well... I am lucky enough to work from home doing stuff that means I can have the whole stage on from start to finish while I work......

Ha ha ha - what sort of work is that such that you can gawp and hoot at the tele for hours whilst doing it? But perhaps you are a tele programme critic writing for the piffle-faffle sections of a not-really-a-newspaper-at-all, though.   1

Why do so many gawp excitedly at other folk riding bikes or knocking various balls about with various bats? One suspects that some brains have been entirely annexed by the mass media sludge of The Spectacle and it's circus proprietors. As the sports-watching flesh robots gurn and yell at the flickering images on their idiotboxes, the same circus proprietors are picking their pockets and trashing the country beyond the tent for "resources", especially profit-ore and handy rubbish dump sites.

What a world we humans have created! A theatre of absurdities so ubiquitous that we seem unable to realise how mad we've all become.

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Rendel Harris replied to Cugel | 1 year ago
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I'm fond of a drink or two myself old chap, but it's a bit early to be this plastered isn't it?

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chrisonabike replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Come now - since I started visiting road.cc has been a venue for boldly questioning not just cycling concepts but bigger things.  Like the definition of "vigilante", the desirability of capitalism and whether a "journey" logically requires a different start and end point...

Besides - they may be finishing, not starting!

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HoldingOn replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

...road.cc has been a venue for boldly questioning not just cycling concepts but bigger things...

side-door-wing mirror!

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Cugel replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

I'm fond of a drink or two myself old chap, but it's a bit early to be this plastered isn't it?

It's troo that I often feel unihibited by any yen to be a member of this or that interwebbery mutual admiration klub  or institute for promulgating tired cliche, trite certainties and "common sense" in the hope of "likes"  ...... but this is due to a lot of very good coffee, not the grog; and an upbringing surrounded by sceptical folk of various degrees, ilks and tittles, inclined to the derisory snorting at the often thoughtless offerings of the conventional. 

Now, I know its much easier to emit a string of potted certainties and "sensible" opinions got from the mass media but why submit to having your mind owned by a gang of PR spinners & twisters basically in the employ of spivs selling gew-gaws or monsters trying to hide their awful doings? Let your own thoughts roam freely about your bonce instead and enjoy the surprises they spring!  1

You can obtain "your own thoughts" from "your own experiences" cleansed of your experiences of reading or watching mass media pap, of course.

That alcohol does me no good at all. Although I'm not a-one o'them fighting drunks I can get very giggly, especially in the presence of certain personality types. Yes, I know it can be annoying. But its one off my many hobbies, so there!

But back to cycling. How many of those here employ mirrors on their bicycles, despite this being a fashion crime that should probably be added to The Rules? They're so much cheaper than them radars or rear view cameras they try to sell us, though. Also, they don't break down and no yobs are interested in stealing them.

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mark1a replied to Cugel | 1 year ago
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Cugel wrote:

Now, I know its much easier to emit a string of potted certainties and "sensible" opinions got from the mass media but why submit to having your mind owned by a gang of PR spinners & twisters basically in the employ of spivs selling gew-gaws or monsters trying to hide their awful doings? Let your own thoughts roam freely about your bonce instead and enjoy the surprises they spring!  1

You can obtain "your own thoughts" from "your own experiences" cleansed of your experiences of reading or watching mass media pap, of course.

You're obsessed by some kind of global commerce conspiracy that's being fed to us human resource work drones via the advertising industry. There's really no such thing. I'm more than capable of free thought despite the fact that I watch TV, consume advertising and occasionally spend my earned & taxed income on nice things. Sometimes I need that nice thing, sometimes I don't. 

 

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hawkinspeter replied to Cugel | 1 year ago
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Cugel wrote:

But back to cycling. How many of those here employ mirrors on their bicycles, despite this being a fashion crime that should probably be added to The Rules? They're so much cheaper than them radars or rear view cameras they try to sell us, though. Also, they don't break down and no yobs are interested in stealing them.

I do! Cateye BM-45 FTW

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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Yup!  Had a Zefal (I think) bar-end one on drops (but it got knocked off / vibrated loose).  Much more of a thing on recumbents *.

Bar end ones on drops are a bit of a nuisance - they will get knocked about when parking etc.  So it's a balance between being able to adjust them without too much mechanical fiddling and having them bounced out of position mid-ride.  I had a Busch and Müller one (IIRC) with a long stalk (on a recumbent) which was just hopelessly floppy.

* Some say "essential".  I can just about manage the ones I've owned without them but you need an owl's neck.  It's just miles more pleasant with them.  For the handful of similar folks out there I've currently got Mirrycle mirrors on some upright bar-ends stuck on my "open cockpit" bars - never mastered tiller / hamster-style.

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

Yup!  Had a Zefal (I think) bar-end one on drops (but it got knocked off / vibrated loose).  Much more of a thing on recumbents *.

Bar end ones on drops are a bit of a nuisance - they will get knocked about when parking etc.  So it's a balance between being able to adjust them without too much mechanical fiddling and having them bounced out of position mid-ride.  I had a Busch and Müller one (IIRC) with a long stalk (on a recumbent) which was just hopelessly floppy.

* Some say "essential".  I can just about manage the ones I've owned without them but you need an owl's neck.  It's just miles more pleasant with them.  For the handful of similar folks out there I've currently got Mirrycle mirrors on some upright bar-ends stuck on my "open cockpit" bars - never mastered tiller / hamster-style.

The Cateye one is great for holding its position. It'll often get knocked out of position when leaning your bike up against something, but it's easy to make small adjustments whilst riding and doesn't shift unless you knock it.

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Steve K replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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+1 for the Cateye

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Hirsute replied to Cugel | 1 year ago
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I have the cateye too and radar.
Too many nsl roads near me and too many fast vehicles. That 2 or 3 seconds of warning is invaluable.

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mark1a replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Plus the radar light's function of modifying the flash frequency as the vehicle approaches - I can (most of the time) definitely detect a change in sound of a vehicle when it triggers the warning.

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glenjamin | 1 year ago
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I'm not daft enough to open a cycling news website before finding out what the day's race results are...

But I was foolish enough to open my emails, only to see a marketing email from Ekoi that told me Cofidis had won a stage right there in the subject line, only about 90 minutes after the stage finish!

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Awavey | 1 year ago
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It's been 50 years since the Likely Lads tried to avoid a football result, accept there are going to be spoilers on cycling sites during races thesedays.

But then I quite like pineapple on pizza as well  3

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quiff | 1 year ago
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road.cc wrote:

Could headlines like ‘These twins are both racing the Tour de France together… You won’t believe what happened next’ catch on?

Well, until then, I suppose we better figure out a way to avoid finding out the results of bike races, published on cycling websites. There must be a way, surely…

Yep. See you in August road.cc

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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I see there is another parody account in response to a PBU and also postings between parody accounts.
If only there were a way to resolve this.
Shame alsosomniliquism has left again, no doubt in protest as before.
Can't work out if stfd was banned or finally worked out forums were not for them.

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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Hirsute wrote:

I see there is another parody account in response to a PBU and also postings between parody accounts. If only there were a way to resolve this. Shame alsosomniliquism has left again, no doubt in protest as before. Can't work out if stfd was banned or finally worked out forums were not for them.

I'd only noticed that STFD was AWOL once you mentioned it.

I don't know what road.cc can do to stop the Resurrecting Trolls.  Clearly they keep finding a way around whatever checks road.cc do do.

I try to avoid engaging with them, but sometimes I get sucked in.  Even posting a sarky comment where I consider myself to be laughing at them (not with them) is still engaging.

Back in the day, we used to have users on here who disagreed with the general consensus but kind of did it reasonably, IIRC...  But if you tell that to today's young whippersnappers, they don't believe you!

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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Hope STFD is OK and just off for holiday / grumpiness reasons, you never know...

IIRC they had (at least one) personal reason to have a strongly held opinion on helmets.  That and just internet communication difficulties / default snarkiness is enough, although the last bits of chat involving them seemed to be a bit sour.

You don't know what's up IRL for people.  Spending time engaging on here is a slightly odd thing to do in the first place.  After all you could be riding, shouting at people from your car,  browsing for novel and stimulating erotica (nod to Derren Brown there), just wiping up after your family members or even seeking to make local councillors understand the point and value of proper cycling infra.

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hawkinspeter replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Hirsute wrote:

I see there is another parody account in response to a PBU and also postings between parody accounts. If only there were a way to resolve this. Shame alsosomniliquism has left again, no doubt in protest as before. Can't work out if stfd was banned or finally worked out forums were not for them.

I reckon STFD got into an argument with themselves and refuses to comment again

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Car Delenda Est replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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remind me was STFD the one who believed so strongly in bike helmets that they personally attacked anyone who pointed out that they couldn't prevent every injury?

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hawkinspeter replied to Car Delenda Est | 1 year ago
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Car Delenda Est wrote:

remind me was STFD the one who believed so strongly in bike helmets that they personally attacked anyone who pointed out that they couldn't prevent every injury?

As I recall, they were on a mission to prove that helmets provide a benefit (which is reasonable enough) but got quite angry when there was discussion of the unintended effects of helmets such as children getting theirs caught on tree branches and then asphyxiating (i.e. killer helmets!).

However, I should be careful as they did accuse me of having the M.O. of putting words into other people's mouths.

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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Internet comments threads are probably a great medium for triathalete-tourists.  Frequently competitive, usually switching the game mid-thread but ultimately no-one can agree about the terms of debate or often what it is really about.

I guess it's not "for" such things any more than sniffing glue is "for" spiritual enlightenment, but frequently the opposite of the principle of charity / principle of humanity is clearly displayed.  Speaking as a serial offender.

OTOH perhaps I should be impressed that everyone doesn't immediately reach for "I bet your saddle height is set incorrectly too".

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wycombewheeler | 1 year ago
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Should cycling websites leave results out of their Tour de France reports?

A very disengenous headline, there is a huge difference between putting the result in the report, and making the healdine that appears on the home page give away the result, without people even clicking it.

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eburtthebike | 1 year ago
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“It aims to incorporate the Belfast Cycling Network....."

"Incorporate" being civil service speak for sink without trace.

When I lived in Belfast, the Department for Infrastructure's line was "Well, we could improve things for cyclists, but if that led to more of them, more of them would be getting killed or injured, and we don't want that, do we?"

Thirty-five years on, not much seems to have changed.

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Secret_squirrel | 1 year ago
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I like the way Jonas is getting slammed for doing exactly what Pog did on stage 1, if Wout didnt have it in him to win Stage 2 thats on him, not Jonas.

Perhalps Wout shoud grow TFU and stop acting like a spoilt man-baby? He's being paid to help his team retain the GC win.  Everything else is secondary - most especially his ego.  He needs to stop believe the BS the Belgian newspapers are feeding him.

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Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Kudos to some of the responses to the Belfast infrastructure, wish I had such wit.

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