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“Hi-vis distracts from the real issues on our roads,” says makers of bike camera warning signs; “Tedious” number plate debate follows former Met chief’s comments; Friday Facebook Fancy; A front light with a difference; Mythbusting + more on the live blog

Welcome to the Friday live blog everybody! Dan Alexander will be taking you through to the weekend with everything you need to know (and plenty you don’t) from the world of cycling
  • by Dan Alexander
Fri, Nov 24, 2023 09:13
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SUMMARY

  • "How about policing the roads properly?": Cyclists shut down former Met Police chief's "tedious" bicycle number plate proposal
  • Team Visma | Lease a Bike join the pantheon of whacky pro cycling team names
  • Cycling mythbusting: nobody cycles in winter when it's wet and cold
  • A last-minute contender for best cycling light of 2023?
  • Five great British bike brands that are pushing the boundaries of cycling tech
  • The return of Jo's Friday Facebook Fancy... just pray you don't actually have to ride this one...
  • School bike racks destroyed by speeding, out-of-control motorist, as pupils and teachers stage protest demanding introduction of 20mph limit
  • Wait, it's Black Friday? Nobody told me...
  • Comment of the day
  • Tom Pidcock checks out Tour de France gravel stage
  • "Would they like the shirt off my back as well?" Bike shop owners fume as Cycle to Work scheme stops retailers charging additional fees
  • "Hi-vis distracts from the real issues on our roads," says makers of bike camera warning signs
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24 November 2023, 09:13

"How about policing the roads properly?": Cyclists shut down former Met Police chief's "tedious" bicycle number plate proposal

The dust is just starting to settle on the story from last night that the House of Lords heard a suggestion to tackle apparently “dangerous” and “entirely unaccountable” cycling by putting number plates on bicycles. And while I’m sure there’s plenty said in the Lords that can be ignored, put away at the back of the mind with all the other ramblings of politicians of a certain ilk, it is always going to be slightly more concerning/infuriating/facepalmingly depressing coming from the man who was in charge of the Metropolitan Police for five years…

Here we go again…
Former Metropolitan Police chief claims “dangerous” cyclists are “entirely unaccountable”, suggests number plates as a solutionhttps://t.co/sA3g26Gkou #cycling pic.twitter.com/7pPInzW84t

— road.cc (@roadcc) November 23, 2023

 Cycling lawyer Rory McCarron, who works for Leigh Day and assisted British Cycling in its recent call for an end to “hazardous leniency” in sentencing of drivers who kill or injure cyclists, picked apart Lord Hogan-Howe’s comments, in particular the bit about how “on occasion they [cyclists] have terribly injured people and on some occasions killed them”.

“Yes,” he replied. “And these very few cyclists have been identified and held accountable? Ermir Loka, Charlie Alliston etc. How many unaccountable cyclists are killing/seriously injuring people? Not many. He has also failed to outline what he considers dangerous cycling by giving an example. I’m guessing he woke up this morning and felt dangerous.”

Another said it was “classic looking for a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist”, Andrew Buss adding: “Just wait until he hears about the huge number of KSIs [killed and seriously injured] due to car drivers. If only they had a system of registration and licensing. Oh…”

How about policing the roads properly?
Sometimes it’s a free for all out there.

— 𝐹𝒾𝓍𝒾𝑒 𝒞𝓎𝒸𝓁𝒾𝓈𝓉 🚴‍♂️+🌉 (@ViaTowerBridge) November 23, 2023

Over on Facebook, road.cc reader Stephen Ward commented: “Ignoring how well it works for cars and other vehicles I can’t help but think the Met have bigger issues to deal with than getting inundated with reports of cyclists riding two abreast or ignoring cycle lanes.” 

eburtthebike: “[Quoting Hagen-Howe]…’On occasion they have terribly injured people, and on some occasions killed them.’

“When? How often? How many compared to cars? How many people are killed by drivers who are not arrested or punished or who are let off with such pathetic excuses as ‘the sun was in my eyes’ or ‘I thought I hit a sack of potatoes’? No, let’s attack an out group whose transgressions are so minor that they barely register.”

Here in the road.cc website comments section, some of our standards are clearly a tad lower…

Clem Fandango: “At least he acknowledged that cyclists are actually people. Baby steps fellow evil lobby members, baby steps.”

Every cloud…

24 November 2023, 09:13

Team Visma | Lease a Bike join the pantheon of whacky pro cycling team names

Sometimes when asked by a friend or family member about how pro cycling works, you’ll end up explaining how teams carry the name of whoever is paying the bills but, since cycling’s still relatively small business in the wider sporting picture, we end up with the world’s best competing as a moving billboard for caffeine shampoo or Belgian laminate flooring. 

Add another chapter to that great book…

We are delighted to confirm our new partnership agreements with Visma and Lease a Bike!

Managing director Richard Plugge: “This is another big step forward, ensuring that we have the resources to further develop and improve as a team.”

— Team Jumbo-Visma cycling (@JumboVismaRoad) November 24, 2023

The all-conquering and relentless winners, Jonas Vingegaard, Wout van Aert, Marianne Vos and Co. part of the terrifying and ruthless victory-collecting machine that is… *checks notes*… Team Visma | Lease a Bike…

Out goes the supermarket, in comes the bike hire provider. Crack out the bad jokes when one of their stars ends up grabbing a neutral service bike in a moment of crisis…

In all seriousness here are the comments from Lease a Bike’s managing director Ward Matser on the deal… “Lease a Bike’s mission is to inspire people to go biking. For sports, for commuting and in everyday life. What better way to spread this message than through an extremely inspiring cycling team? We want to encourage people to live healthier and more sustainable lives and see Team Visma | Lease a Bike as a way to contribute to this.

“We are already successful in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Austria and we are expanding to other countries in Europe and to the USA. We believe in innovation, developing talent and doing things a little better every day. A vision we share with the cycling team.”

No greenwashing accusations today… (and by pro cycling’s not so glittering standards, that’ll do for me)…

24 November 2023, 09:13

Cycling mythbusting: nobody cycles in winter when it's wet and cold

Still waiting for the cyclists to disappear from #cycleway4 now that it’s nearly winter and nobody in their right mind would contemplate cycling this time of year. So some say anyway…….#cycling pic.twitter.com/jneREQtQAN

— Greg N (@n00dles71) November 21, 2023

Sorry, excuse my sniggering, seeing Greg post another video’s reminded me of ‘Tug-gate’. Never a bad day to share that again…

> Cyclist catches driver watching adult film and ‘spanking the monkey’ in heavy London traffic

24 November 2023, 09:13

A last-minute contender for best cycling light of 2023?

enlighted pic.twitter.com/ofVoia5lzm

— OriginCycling (@OriginCycling) November 20, 2023

That’s one for the Beam Test 2024…

> road.cc front bike lights Beam Test 2023 — our big Beam Comparison Engine is live to help you choose the best front light for your riding

24 November 2023, 09:13

Five great British bike brands that are pushing the boundaries of cycling tech

> Five great British bike brands that are pushing the boundaries of cycling tech

24 November 2023, 09:13

The return of Jo's Friday Facebook Fancy... just pray you don't actually have to ride this one...

there’s some rusty tat on facebook marketplace but for not much money at all you can acquire a rare collectible, it’s also the worst bike ever produced. it won’t rust though pic.twitter.com/sP1e4B3fRE

— Jo Burt (@VecchioJo) November 24, 2023

24 November 2023, 09:13

School bike racks destroyed by speeding, out-of-control motorist, as pupils and teachers stage protest demanding introduction of 20mph limit

School bike racks hit by speeding motorist in Oxford (Danny Yee)
School bike racks hit by speeding motorist in Oxford (Danny Yee) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
School bike racks hit by speeding motorist in Oxford (Danny Yee)
School bike racks hit by speeding motorist in Oxford (Danny Yee) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> School bike racks destroyed by speeding, out-of-control motorist, as pupils and teachers stage protest demanding introduction of 20mph limit

24 November 2023, 09:13

Wait, it's Black Friday? Nobody told me...

Black Friday 2023BF23-Live Blog-1
Black Friday 2023BF23-Live Blog-1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Black Friday 2023BF23-Live Blog-1
Black Friday 2023BF23-Live Blog-1 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Best Black Friday cycling deals live blog: Proviz BIKE jackets from £40, LifeLine turbo trainer down to 15 QUID,30-piece Draper Allen key set for £12.49, Vitus ZX-1 with SRAM Rival just £1999,99, 50% off everything at Altura, Le Col savings + more

Only kidding. Anyway, hope your Black Friday is going better than Halfords’ social media admin’s…

More like racing to return them due to faults

— Kie M (@kie_morgan3) November 24, 2023

24 November 2023, 09:13

Comment of the day

Live blog comment 24/11/2023
2023 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Live blog comment 24/11/2023
2023 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

For the offending review…

> Gorewear Gore-Tex Paclite Pants Men’s

In our defence that’s just the name of the product. Laurence quite rightly points out they easily go over his trousers. Thank you hutchdaddy for giving us all an image to try to forget…

24 November 2023, 09:13

Tom Pidcock checks out Tour de France gravel stage

 

What do we have here?

Tom Pidcock Tour de France gravel stage (Strava/Laurens De Plus)
Laurens De Plus) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Tom Pidcock Tour de France gravel stage (Strava/Laurens De Plus)
Laurens De Plus) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

 Laurens De Plus and Tom Pidcock took a trip to Troyes to recon the route for next year’s ninth stage of the Tour de France, a 14-gravel sector lumpy ride through the vineyards. Maybe not quite as toasty in November, but at least you’re not a four-time Tour de France winner demoted to role of Geraint Thomas’ mechanic.

How many pros does it take to pump up my tyres? 🤷‍♂️🤣💅 pic.twitter.com/6TLPZFOHr6

— Geraint Thomas (@GeraintThomas86) November 24, 2023

24 November 2023, 09:13

"Would they like the shirt off my back as well?" Bike shop owners fume as Cycle to Work scheme stops retailers charging additional fees

Cyclists in London (copyright Britishcycling.org_.uk).jpg
Cyclists in London (copyright Britishcycling.org_.uk) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Cyclists in London (copyright Britishcycling.org_.uk).jpg
Cyclists in London (copyright Britishcycling.org_.uk) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> “Would they like the shirt off my back as well?” Bike shop owners fume as Cycle to Work scheme stops retailers charging additional fees

24 November 2023, 09:13

"Hi-vis distracts from the real issues on our roads," says makers of bike camera warning signs

You may already be familiar with the work of PassPixi, the makers of the magnetic bike camera warning signs which aim to dissuade anyone tempted to do something dangerous around the wearer. After all, the looming stick of potential penalty points and a fine through the post is almost certainly more effective than whatever the carrot I’m now struggling to identify is in this analogy.

In fact, through our Near Miss of the Day series we’ve covered this ‘in the wild’…

> Near Miss of the Day 538: Close pass driver hangs back when they realise they are being filmed

In that case our Warwickshire reader had one of the patches displayed, the front and rear camera footage showing a motorist about to perform a dangerous overtaking manoeuvre before, presumably spotting the PassPixi logo, thinking better of it and holding back until it was safer to pass.

Anyway, rambling context done, onto this…

Hi-vis distracts… from the real issues on our roads #cycling pic.twitter.com/ATUOJyADwL

— PassPixi (@PassPixi) November 23, 2023

It would be interesting to see the respective treatment this rider got with and without the little camera sign. The hi-vis question always pops up again at this time of year, the dark nights and shortening afternoons prompting (often admittedly well-meaning) road safety groups, local authorities or police forces to urge using hi-vis clothing as a cyclist. Don’t worry pedestrians, you’ve not been forgotten…

What about pedestrians? pic.twitter.com/J9WN6ZMLIm

— The Sign Minister (@thesignminister) November 23, 2023

> Police ask pedestrians to wear hi-vis following spate of road deaths in Scotland

Other police forces, notably the Surrey Roads Policing Unit’s famous social media account, prefer to point out the main causes of road danger should be prioritised, not forcing personal protective equipment on more vulnerable road users…

How have you turned this into a discussion about high viz?

We have cars covered in it and big flashy lights and drivers STILL don’t see us. pic.twitter.com/e4PF8v7uqu

— Roads Policing – Surrey Police – UK (@SurreyRoadCops) June 26, 2020

A point made in PassPixi’s original post, where they say it “distracts from the real issues on the road”. To many a reply disagreeing, they added to the discussion with this video this morning…

Hi-vis doing a tremendous job of keeping a rider safe #cycling pic.twitter.com/QS7JeG5RRB

— PassPixi (@PassPixi) November 24, 2023

A familiar tale for any of us (regardless of what you’re wearing)…

Check out PassPixi here…

24 November 2023, 09:13

Boardman bolsters range with new road and adventure bikes that look excellent value

Boardman bolsters range with new road and adventure bikes that look excellent value

SLR 8.9 Disc Di2 road bike comes with carbon frame and electronic version of Shimano’s 105 groupset for £2,800

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Dan was the road.cc news editor from 2022-2026. He joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan mainly wrote news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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66 thoughts on ““Hi-vis distracts from the real issues on our roads,” says makers of bike camera warning signs; “Tedious” number plate debate follows former Met chief’s comments; Friday Facebook Fancy; A front light with a difference; Mythbusting + more on the live blog”

  1. HarrogateSpa
    November 24, 2023 at 9:44 am
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    There is some good content on

    There is some good content on road.cc but I get fed up with the way you constantly try to wind us up and get engagement through outrage.

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    • essexian
      November 24, 2023 at 10:15 am
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      I’m triggered that you are

      I’m triggered that you are fed up and outraged!

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      • lesterama
        November 24, 2023 at 10:33 am
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        I’m outraged that you are

        I’m outraged that you are triggered

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    • Boopop
      November 24, 2023 at 10:15 am
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      That’s the way the web works

      That’s the way the web works these days I’m afraid.

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    • Rendel Harris
      November 24, 2023 at 10:43 am
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      HarrogateSpa wrote:

      There is some good content on road.cc but I get fed up with the way you constantly try to wind us up and get engagement through outrage.

      — HarrogateSpa

      When the former head of the nation’s biggest police force makes a speech in the national legislative assembly calling for something that would be incredibly restrictive and damaging to cycling, it would be a bit odd if a cycling website didn’t report it, wouldn’t it?

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      • Left_is_for_Losers
        November 24, 2023 at 10:52 am
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        Can’t see anything on GCN or

        Can’t see anything on GCN or cyclingnews.com

        They must be a bit odd…or maybe road.cc is a bit odd. 

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        • Rendel Harris
          November 24, 2023 at 10:56 am
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          They are both, as you well

          They are both, as you well know, websites solely dedicated to cycle sport and as such this news does not come under their purview, as it naturally does for a more general cycling site like road.cc.

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          • Left_is_for_Losers
            November 24, 2023 at 2:18 pm
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            Rendel Harris wrote:

            They are both, as you well know, websites solely dedicated to cycle sport and as such this news does not come under their purview, as it naturally does for a more general cycling site like road.cc.

            — Rendel Harris

            Oh really? “Global Cycling Network” really sounds like a name they’d choose to focus on the sport side doesn’t it! 

            And hang on, did you say it’d be odd if “cycling websites” didn’t report it? Which would mean you don’t consider those to be “cycling websites” lol

          • Rendel Harris
            November 24, 2023 at 3:31 pm
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            thisismyusername wrote:

            Oh really? “Global Cycling Network” really sounds like a name they’d choose to focus on the sport side doesn’t it! 

            And hang on, did you say it’d be odd if “cycling websites” didn’t report it? Which would mean you don’t consider those to be “cycling websites” lol

            — thisismyusername

            Oh sit down FFS Loser, go and look at the GCN website, every single article on there is about racing in one way or another apart from one article on teaching kids to ride. If you think these websites are so great why don’t you stay on them instead of polluting the one from which you’ve already been banned? One suspects you’re only here because of road.cc’s curiously lax moderation policy whereby people banned from the site for bullying and racism are allowed back under new names, you clearly make this your trolling spot of choice as you know you’d be turfed from the other sites in minutes if you carried on as you do on here, and rightly so.

          • Left_is_for_Losers
            November 24, 2023 at 4:13 pm
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            Now now, calm down, and come

            Now now, calm down, and come back into the room once you’ve considered your words and actions. 

            More of your boring swipes at me – can’t you think up anything else to say to try and get me banned? 

            It’s about time you were banned with your trolling of new users and pedantic childishness. 

            It’s not like you need to get that angry at me for correcting you. 

          • Rendel Harris
            November 24, 2023 at 5:12 pm
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            Left_is_for_Losers wrote:

            More of your boring swipes at me – can’t you think up anything else to say to try and get me banned? 

            — Left_is_for_Losers

            It’s quite difficult to think of ways that you could get banned, given that you have already been banned as thisismyusername for your bullying, libel and racism. It would be excellent if road.cc had a policy of keeping previously banned users off the site but apparently this is difficult for them.

        • kinderje
          November 24, 2023 at 1:19 pm
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          As much as I enjoy GCN’s

          As much as I enjoy GCN’s content they are definitely cycling/industry cheerleaders so I can understand why something like this doesn’t appear on their everything is rosy site.

           

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        • Surreyrider
          November 24, 2023 at 1:42 pm
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          It’s not news. It’s been

          It’s not news. It’s been covered plenty before and the government has said it’s not introducing plates for cyclists. So there is no story.

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      • Secret_squirrel
        November 24, 2023 at 1:08 pm
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        Rendel Harris wrote:

        There is some good content on road.cc but I get fed up with the way you constantly try to wind us up and get engagement through outrage.

        — Rendel Harris

        When the former head of the nation’s biggest police force makes a speech in the national legislative assembly calling for something that would be incredibly restrictive and damaging to cycling, it would be a bit odd if a cycling website didn’t report it, wouldn’t it?

        — HarrogateSpa

        Nope – coz thats the slipperly slope.  When one old buffer in the HoL says something that is in no way on the legislative agenda its irrelevant, giving him attention is what he wants.

         

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    • Left_is_for_Losers
      November 24, 2023 at 10:53 am
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      HarrogateSpa wrote:

      There is some good content on road.cc but I get fed up with the way you constantly try to wind us up and get engagement through outrage.

      — HarrogateSpa

      Are you talking about the superb and not at all divisive or engaging reporting that the highly trained road.cc staff do? 

      They’ve openly admitted that people arguing generates more revenue. Sums up what sort of a site this is. 

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      • NotNigel
        November 24, 2023 at 11:12 am
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        Article on helmet use

        Article on helmet use incoming….I don’t think there’s been one this week.

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        • mark1a
          November 24, 2023 at 11:25 am
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          I’d be interested in people’s

          I’d be interested in people’s views on disc brakes vs rim brakes, just in case anyone’s opinion has shifted since a month ago.

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          • HoldingOn
            November 24, 2023 at 11:41 am
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            Wing mirror!

            Wing mirror!

          • chrisonabike
            November 24, 2023 at 12:12 pm
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            mark1a wrote:

            I’d be interested in people’s views on disc brakes vs rim brakes, just in case anyone’s opinion has shifted since a month ago.

            — mark1a

            I’ve forgotten where the science and ethics are at on what if any rules should apply if a trans person wishes to compete at the top level of a cycling discipline.  Or just any thoughts people might have around that issue.

          • Surreyrider
            November 24, 2023 at 1:44 pm
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            Don’t forget mechanical vs

            Don’t forget mechanical vs electronic shifting.

          • Surreyrider
            November 24, 2023 at 1:45 pm
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            Or tubes vs tubeless.

            Or tubes vs tubeless.

        • SaveTheWail
          November 24, 2023 at 12:12 pm
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          Those cyclists doing 44 m.p.h

          Those cyclists doing 44 m.p.h. through Ringinglow – I bet they were all wearing helmets.

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        • Left_is_for_Losers
          November 24, 2023 at 2:16 pm
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          NotNigel wrote:

          Article on helmet use incoming….I don’t think there’s been one this week.

          — NotNigel

          Yep my bingo card is still not complete for a change

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      • perce
        November 24, 2023 at 11:32 am
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        Other websites are available

        Other websites are available if you don’t like this one.

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      • Steve K
        November 24, 2023 at 12:00 pm
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        Left_is_for_Losers wrote:

        Are you talking about the superb and not at all divisive or engaging reporting that the highly trained road.cc staff do? 

        They’ve openly admitted that people arguing generates more revenue. Sums up what sort of a site this is. 

        — Left_is_for_Losers

        And your contributions appear to be a key part of that strategy.

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        • Left_is_for_Losers
          November 24, 2023 at 4:15 pm
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          Steve K wrote:

          Are you talking about the superb and not at all divisive or engaging reporting that the highly trained road.cc staff do? 

          They’ve openly admitted that people arguing generates more revenue. Sums up what sort of a site this is. 

          — Steve K

          And your contributions appear to be a key part of that strategy.

          — Left_is_for_Losers

          Yes that’s because I’m really a road.cc undercover employee here to get some more engagement going. 

          Yours,

          Sack Jexty

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      • Car Delenda Est
        November 24, 2023 at 12:27 pm
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        Left_is_for_Losers wrote:

        They’ve openly admitted that people arguing generates more revenue. Sums up what sort of a site this is. 

        — Left_is_for_Losers

        The sort that exists in a capitalist free market?

        While the headlines draw clicks through outrage the body tends to be more rational, which is a lot more than you can say for most.

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    • Adam Sutton
      November 24, 2023 at 4:50 pm
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      Ah, just grab some popcorn,

      Ah, just grab some popcorn, sit back and watch the usual suspects get their lyrcra in a twist over it.

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  2. squired
    November 24, 2023 at 10:08 am
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    I’m not gifted with height,

    I’m not gifted with height, so my frame size is typically around 50cm.  Include some mudguards and lights in the winter on my road bike…  where exactly would a number plate go?

    The fact is that the police just don’t want to do their job.  In the summer I was hit by a guy on an e-scooter.  I’ve had two shoulder surgeries since and am likely not back on the bike until January.  The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about the guy who hit me.  When my MP got involved they just said in a letter to him that it is the government’s fault because they allow e-scooters to be sold by shops.  They even commented how they did an “education campaign” locally, stopping e-scooter riders, but it achieved nothing (what a surprise).  How about just stopping anyone riding one and confiscating them.  That will stop it pretty fast.  

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    • the little onion
      November 24, 2023 at 10:15 am
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      It is a ‘brain fart’ of an

      It is a ‘brain fart’ of an idea that won’t survive the first contact with reality, so I don’t think it is going to happen.

       

      What it does reveal is a level of prejudice amongst police and lawmakers, that they would blurt this out without a clear understanding of how it might work in practice (i.e. where the plates go, how children’s bikes get registered) nor in terms of criminology (how it might deter ‘dangerous’ cycling) or the proportionality or public interest of this. To me, the danger is not around whether or not we get number plates on bikes, but more what kinds of other things happen as a result of this prejudice.

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      • Daveyraveygravey
        November 24, 2023 at 12:56 pm
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        the little onion wrote:

        What it does reveal is a level of prejudice amongst police and lawmakers, that they would blurt this out without a clear understanding of how it might work in practice (i.e. where the plates go, how children’s bikes get registered) nor in terms of criminology (how it might deter ‘dangerous’ cycling) or the proportionality or public interest of this.

        — the little onion

        What you’re saying is the police and lawmakers think exactly the same as the majority of the non-cycling Great British public…

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    • hawkinspeter
      November 24, 2023 at 10:52 am
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      squired wrote:

      I’m not gifted with height, so my frame size is typically around 50cm.  Include some mudguards and lights in the winter on my road bike…  where exactly would a number plate go?

      The fact is that the police just don’t want to do their job.  In the summer I was hit by a guy on an e-scooter.  I’ve had two shoulder surgeries since and am likely not back on the bike until January.  The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about the guy who hit me.  When my MP got involved they just said in a letter to him that it is the government’s fault because they allow e-scooters to be sold by shops.  They even commented how they did an “education campaign” locally, stopping e-scooter riders, but it achieved nothing (what a surprise).  How about just stopping anyone riding one and confiscating them.  That will stop it pretty fast.  

      — squired

      Thanks, that’s handy to know.

      So, if you want to commit a crime, like punch a copper or rob a bank, you can just do it using e-scooters and the police are powerless to do anything.

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      • wtjs
        November 24, 2023 at 1:15 pm
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        So, if you want to commit a

        So, if you want to commit a crime, like punch a copper or rob a bank, you can just do it using e-scooters and the police are powerless to do anything

        No, No, No! What renders them powerless is if the offender fails to provide video evidence of him offending to confirm the video taken by the victim or someone else, or if he can’t remember the incident. It’s some catch, that Police Catch 22!

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    • OnYerBike
      November 24, 2023 at 11:22 am
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      squired wrote:

      […] The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about the guy who hit me.  […]

      — squired

      We’ve had some pretty convoluted examples of Police Logic before (as wtjs will attest) but surely this must take the biscuit – the Police can’t do anything because he was doing something illegal?

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      • wtjs
        November 24, 2023 at 6:56 pm
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        We’ve had some pretty

        We’ve had some pretty convoluted examples of Police Logic before (as wtjs will attest) but surely this must take the biscuit – the Police can’t do anything because he was doing something illegal?

        These ridiculous dodges seem to be creeping out into other aspects of modern life. I have an 82 year old friend who had several uPVC windows installed. 2 of the locks failed, but the installer has failed for months to turn up to perform the simple job of replacing the locks. The insurer/ industry regulating body told him that they couldn’t do anything because the window installer is still in business!

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    • Steve K
      November 24, 2023 at 11:58 am
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      squired wrote:

      The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about the guy who hit me.  

      — squired

      By that logic, they can’t do anything about shootings.

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      • hawkinspeter
        November 24, 2023 at 12:03 pm
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        Steve K wrote:

        The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about the guy who hit me.  

        — Steve K

        By that logic, they can’t do anything about shootings.

        — squired

        Or stabbings, unless it’s by a chef using one of their work knives.

        I think I’m going to buy fake brand-name trainers and then I’ll be able to get away with any crime that I want to commit.

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        • chrisonabike
          November 24, 2023 at 12:07 pm
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          Just do it from your cycle

          Just do it from your cycle there at night – as long as you’re without pedal reflectors you’re clearly already illegal.  Sorry mate, the bike wasn’t legal on the road anyway so…

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        • wycombewheeler
          November 24, 2023 at 2:13 pm
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          hawkinspeter wrote:

          The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about the guy who hit me.  

          — hawkinspeter

          By that logic, they can’t do anything about shootings.

          — Steve K

          Or stabbings, unless it’s by a chef using one of their work knives.

          I think I’m going to buy fake brand-name trainers and then I’ll be able to get away with any crime that I want to commit.

          — squired

          Even then it would have to happen in the kitchem, because carrying knives around just because you happen to be a chef isn’t a defence, agaisnt offensive weapons charges.

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          • hawkinspeter
            November 24, 2023 at 2:24 pm
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            wycombewheeler wrote:

            Even then it would have to happen in the kitchem, because carrying knives around just because you happen to be a chef isn’t a defence, agaisnt offensive weapons charges.

            — wycombewheeler

            I disagree as it’s illegal to carry most knives or any weapons in public without a ‘good reason’ and a chef carrying their knives with them on the way to or from their work is a ‘good reason’. They would typically be carried in a roll and not just loose in their pocket, so they wouldn’t be mistaken for stabby knives. It’s quite common for chefs to be incredibly possessive of their knives and to not allow anyone else to touch them or use them so it’s not unusual for them to not leave their personal knives in the kitchen.

            https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

          • chrisonabike
            November 24, 2023 at 2:40 pm
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            Or swords… this was down

            Or swords… this was down your way?

          • hawkinspeter
            November 24, 2023 at 3:13 pm
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            chrisonatrike wrote:

            Or swords… this was down your way?

            — chrisonatrike

            Quite likely – there’s a Sikh temple just near my road. In the ‘good reasons’ for carrying bladed weapons, they include religious reasons as Sikhs are supposed to carry a kirpan knife. National costumes are also an exemption.

          • Rendel Harris
            November 24, 2023 at 3:38 pm
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

             

            I disagree as it’s illegal to carry most knives or any weapons in public without a ‘good reason’ and a chef carrying their knives with them on the way to or from their work is a ‘good reason’.

            — hawkinspeter

            You’re sort of right and sort of wrong, yes a chef or a carpenter etc is legally allowed to carry their knives and other bladed tools to and from the workplace, but the second it’s taken out of its case/tool roll/pocket to be used in a threatening manner it automatically transforms into being an offensive weapon and the carrier/wielder is subject to exactly the same laws as someone who was carrying it for offensive purposes from the outset.

          • hawkinspeter
            November 24, 2023 at 3:51 pm
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            Rendel Harris wrote:

            You’re sort of right and sort of wrong, yes a chef or a carpenter etc is legally allowed to carry their knives and other bladed tools to and from the workplace, but the second it’s taken out of its case/tool roll/pocket to be used in a threatening manner it automatically transforms into being an offensive weapon and the carrier/wielder is subject to exactly the same laws as someone who was carrying it for offensive purposes from the outset.

            — Rendel Harris

            Well, yes. If you take a work tool and start using it in a threatening manner then it will automatically be treated as an offensive weapon, whether it’s a knife, a hammer or a screwdriver. A more grey area would be if a chef was attacked and was somehow able to open up their knife roll, select the relevant knife and then defend themselves with it – although the chef had no intention of using it that way and had good reason to be carrying it, would that be considered to be carrying an offensive weapon?

          • wycombewheeler
            November 24, 2023 at 4:05 pm
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

            I disagree as it’s illegal to carry most knives or any weapons in public without a ‘good reason’ and a chef carrying their knives with them on the way to or from their work is a ‘good reason’.

            — hawkinspeter

            Is it normal for chefs to carry their own knives home at the end of every service and bring them back again tomorrow? seems uneccesary to me.

          • hawkinspeter
            November 24, 2023 at 4:20 pm
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            wycombewheeler wrote:

            Is it normal for chefs to carry their own knives home at the end of every service and bring them back again tomorrow? seems uneccesary to me.

            — wycombewheeler

            It depends on the kitchen environment and nature of employment. If it’s a stable job with known, trusted chefs then a chef could leave their knives there and know that no-one’s going to start chopping bones with them. If it’s a high-turnover kitchen then you wouldn’t want to leave very expensive knives lying around, especially if there’s a chance that the place could close down or you get made redundant.

      • squired
        November 24, 2023 at 12:22 pm
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        Steve K wrote:

        The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about the guy who hit me.  

        — Steve K

        By that logic, they can’t do anything about shootings.

        — squired

        No numberplate, so no way to identify him….  The video of the accident wasn’t enough.  Or the fact that the camera from my bike shows that he went into the nearby Tesco and did some shopping before disappearing.  I suggested they might be able to identify him given that people generally pay by card, but they just closed the case and said there is nothing they can do.

        When he hit me he was carrying a can of laughing gas, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he was known to the police in the local area anyway.

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        • hawkinspeter
          November 24, 2023 at 12:36 pm
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          squired wrote:

          When he hit me he was carrying a can of laughing gas, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he was known to the police in the local area anyway.

          — squired

          A can? I thought they were usually sold in cartridges (c.f. CO2) for use in whipped cream devices.

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        • chrisonabike
          November 24, 2023 at 1:03 pm
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          That seems extremely poor

          That seems extremely poor policing – straying into “can’t be bothered” territory if you ask me.

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        • wtjs
          November 24, 2023 at 1:12 pm
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          When he hit me he was

          When he hit me he was carrying a can of laughing gas, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he was known to the police in the local area anyway

          These 2 were high on nitrous, shouting and laughing while careering round Garstang, blaring the horn, with the driver turning to show this picture of a naked woman’s breasts on his phone. Ignoring incidents like this is just part of the routine every day’s work for a Lancashire copper. Mind how you go!

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      • Surreyrider
        November 24, 2023 at 1:37 pm
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        Or in fact anything.

        Or in fact anything.

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    • qwerty360
      November 24, 2023 at 1:24 pm
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      squired wrote:

      In the summer I was hit by a guy on an e-scooter.  I’ve had two shoulder surgeries since and am likely not back on the bike until January.  The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about the guy who hit me.

      — squired

       

      I wonder if you could make an insurance claim against the MIB for an illegal scooter.

      I suspect that it would fall under motorcycle rules and I seriously doubt they could refuse to cover injuries from an illegal motorbike on the road… Could probably only claim for injuries not property damage, but still.

       

      (depending on the type of e-scooter, it could plausibly be certified as a motorbike if it had plates etc, so I would argue it should fall under MIB cover…)

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    • wycombewheeler
      November 24, 2023 at 2:11 pm
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      squired wrote:

      The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about  

      — squired

      The police are reporting that they are powerless to stop people committing crimes? Is this really the position they want to take? Because what are we funding them for if this is the case?

      It seems really simple, no need to check if the e scooter is legal or not, stop them, charge them and confiscate.

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  3. mitsky
    November 24, 2023 at 11:41 am
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    Isn’t North Korea the only

    Isn’t North Korea the only country that actually has a cycle registration system?
    Yes, lets go follow their example…

    Upto 2021, as a cyclist with a camera, I was getting at least a 70% (if not 80%) success rate in the Met police issuing NIPs/FPNs for my dangerous driving reports.
    ​
    Since 2022, the Met police are so under-staffed/under-resourced that I’d be lucky to get a 10% success rate now for identical reports with evidence.

    So either dangerous driving is being considered OK or they simply haven’t upped their game in dealing with it.

    I’ve noticed an increase in dangerous driving lately (we all know phone use behind the wheel is endemic) and a massive increase in red light jumping by drivers as they know they can get away with it.

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  4. hutchdaddy
    November 24, 2023 at 12:55 pm
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    Very disappointed by the

    Very disappointed by the latest clothing review, creeping loss of good British values and slipping down a dangerous slope of Americanisms.

    https://road.cc/content/review/gorewear-gore-tex-paclite-pants-mens-305279

    As any fool knows they are trousers.

    These are pants

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    • hawkinspeter
      November 24, 2023 at 1:25 pm
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      hutchdaddy wrote:

      These are pants

      — hutchdaddy

      You do realise that you don’t have to wait for Xmas to get some new underpants, don’t you?

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      • hutchdaddy
        November 24, 2023 at 1:25 pm
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        I only wear black, so it

        I only wear black, so it doesn’t show up any, ahem, incidents.

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    • Surreyrider
      November 24, 2023 at 1:34 pm
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      Hey give me back my pants

      Hey give me back my pants thief!!

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    • OnYerBike
      November 24, 2023 at 2:44 pm
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      I don’t suppose you actually

      I don’t suppose you actually read the review?

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  5. Hirsute
    November 24, 2023 at 7:58 pm
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    Have had to go into the
    Have had to go into the office regularly for the first time since lockdown. Also coincidences with darkness going home. Also the first time I have had Garmin radar when commuting home.

    The number of speeding drivers in a 30 is quite alarming. So for all the bullshit about wear hi Viz and fluro needs to be – drivers stick to the speed limit because you are the ones in charge of 1.8 T of metal. You are more likely to produce a KSI from speeding than sticking to the limit.

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    • Oldfatgit
      November 24, 2023 at 8:12 pm
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      I had a Audi overtake me
      I had a Audi overtake me around 200m from a roundabout at 0615 Wednesday morning.
      He was braking hard for the roundabout.
      My garmin had him at approach speed of 64mph in a 30mph zone.

      My Garmin picked up a 70mph approach from the rear on Thursday night … that one turned out to be a train ?

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  6. Hirsute
    November 24, 2023 at 8:26 pm
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    “I’ll set my dog on you”

    “I’ll set my dog on you”

    Said around 3:40 but the build up is interesting. Earlier beeps the cyclist at a red light…

    for not running the red light…

    I don’t think your dog will agree much with my Dlock (which would be self defence that a reasonable person would undertake).

     

    * vehicle is also unregistered  – how ???

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  7. Hirsute
    November 24, 2023 at 8:49 pm
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    How not to pass horses on the

    How not to pass horses on the road

    How to NOT pass horses on the roads 😳#passwideandslow #education #roadsafety #RoadSafetyWeek #roadusers #vulnerable #horses #equestrian #camera #drivers pic.twitter.com/pgZvfW7rH3

    — Pass wide and slow (@passwideandslow) November 22, 2023

    still for those not on twatterX

     

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    November 25, 2023 at 7:37 pm
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    Are they the late, great and

    Are they the late, great and sadly missed Rik Mayals underpants?

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  9. ktache
    November 26, 2023 at 1:13 pm
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    Did anyone else see BBC4’s

    Did anyone else see BBC4’s programme last night on Mark Beaumont’s ride down the spine of America? Three partner, may have been on before, from BBC Scotland.

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      November 26, 2023 at 4:50 pm
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      Yeah: watched that (I think I

      Yeah: watched that (I think I read the book, some years ago – I note that the tv programme was dated 2010). The scene where he showed how badly his marathons had (edited) worn down 

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chrisonabike 8 minutes ago

Bus lanes are a good point. I doubt the signs do much initially. BUT since that sometimes leads to very salient stories about "bonkers greedy council makes x thousands from trapping honest drivers in bus gate scam" i think locals get educated quickly! As we know it's almost impossible to imagine such a story about cycle infra... (likely because it wouldn't lead to education, but mobs of baying taxi drivers and double-parkers matching on the council offices)

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Wales56 3 hours ago

300 looks the better buy: cheaper and longer lasting for real-world use, while the 400 seems to trade endurance for a load of ANT+ features most riders won't use - 300 on the right

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wtjs 4 hours ago

@chrisonabike It's difficult to decide if the 'round blue traffic signs can be ignored' comment is plain stupid or just badly executed irony. Even the police in Lancashire, where the Highway Code and associated legislation has been abrogated and police regulation abandoned, would anticipate the chaos resulting from drivers ignoring bus lanes etc

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mtbtomo 4 hours ago

We get thoroughly gaslit in this sport that £100+ is acceptable for shorts that aren't quite right. £100+ for some bits of foam stitched into some stretchy polyester. Wow. £117 is not cheap. Might be cheap compared to PNS, Assos etc but they're just taking the mick with their prices.

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chrisonabike 4 hours ago

@the infamous grouse pedantry but this isn't a "cycle lane" (simply another lane on the road) it's a "cycle path" (well, shared-use path). While we know in practice that the legal prohibitions on driving in non-driving spaces (eg. "the pavement" - the footway) are effectively ignored *, with cycle *lanes* these are in many cases not even ther. "Advisory" cycle lanes are meaningless, and there's a legal dodge where driving and IIRC driving or even parking in some "mandatory" cycle lanes (solid line as you mention) is allowed, depending on the date of installation. Cycling UK have some articles on this. I belive that *nobody* wants cycle *lanes*, except possibly councils who can use them to get money and tick boxes without (too much...) outrage from motorists. * Except for a couple of places in the UK which have said that no, they are interested. But even there it's highly unlikely you'd face much if any consequence.

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chrisonabike 5 hours ago

@Rendel Harris good explanation, perhaps they were thinking of the square ones (advice)? I wonder if the "no motor vehicles" sign would be better respected? (Pretty sure here it would make no difference, it's bloody-mindedness or willful "confusion" - "you *must be able to get through, otherwise you'd have to drive miles"). More generally I think the "only" signs / blue colour may not have been the best design. Especially as for cycling there are two signs simply differing in shape. But perhaps this is just "bike blindness" - people just assuming that signs relating to cycling *must* be "info only" for motorists? For ref the UK government has info on all of this at "Bus and cycle signs and road markings".

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Rendel Harris 5 hours ago

I'm afraid you're entirely mistaken there, circular blue signs give mandatory instructions, as in this case only bicycles and pedestrians permitted. They hold the same force as a red "no cars permitted" sign and motorists absolutely do not have the right to disregard them at their discretion.

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the infamous grouse 6 hours ago

@wtjs the prohibition (as written) on using a motor vehicle in a cycle lane only exists where the road and cycle lane are co-linear and marked or seperated by a solid white line. blue signage is advisory and can be discretionally disregarded, though the sheriff might have some choice remarks if you cause a collision and were identified for prosecution.

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No - they have a range with cutouts that pop up, and they lose marks if they shoot the old lady with her shopping instead of the Lime bike.

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