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08:09
Cyclist on Dutch-style roundabout, Cambridge
Former transport officer’s “cherry-picked” claim that cycling in the Netherlands is more dangerous than the UK slammed as “gibberish evidential gymnastics” aimed at those who “still view bikes as toys in a grown-up world of big choo-choo machines”

A recent claim made by a transport watchdog’s former streets policy officer that cycling in the UK is now safer than in the Netherlands, a development that apparently contradicts cycling activists’ desire to ‘go Dutch’, has been criticised as “statistical cherry-picking”, “gibberish”, and “evidential gymnastics” by a member of the London Cycling Campaign.

In an opinion piece for Local Transport Today, retired Hackney councillor Vincent Stops argued that recent “pressure” from UK cycling campaigners to emulate the Netherlands’ approach to road safety has been misguided and flawed.

West Bar Dutch-style roundabout plans (Sheffield City Council)

> “Good to see those who don’t pay road tax getting priority”: New “unsafe” Dutch-style roundabout will create “chaos” and add 45 minutes to journeys in hilly city where “most people can’t cycle”, confused drivers say

Stops claimed that instead of copying the Dutch method, which he says has seen a rapid rise in cycling injuries and fatalities in recent years, and which has led to “all manner of confusing road layouts appearing across Great Britain”, the UK’s transport authorities should revert to “data-led road safety interventions we know work”.

Stops, you may recall, is a retired Hackney councillor and the local authority’s former lead member for transport, who worked on streets policy for London TravelWatch, the capital’s statutory transport watchdog, for over 20 years.

In a blog post in 2022, he labelled cycling in the capital a “ruthless and well-resourced minority interest” that has “been allowed to ruin London’s bus service” (despite claiming that he “cycles everywhere”), and last year also argued that protests held in the wake of fatal collisions were “distasteful” and “putting people off cycling”.

> Cycling campaigners slammed for organising “deeply distasteful” protest demanding safer streets following two fatal collisions

In his latest post on Local Transport Today, the former streets policy officer said: “The surge in cycle activism during the 2010s was driven by blogging and social media campaigning, at the heart of which was the belief that in the Netherlands there was much more cycling, and that it was safer, per kilometre cycled.

“The London Cycling Campaign adopted the strap line ‘Love London, Go-Dutch’, which meant, essentially, inserting cycle tracks into London’s streets. However, 15 years on, Dutch cycle safety does not seem to support their thesis. In fact, the scale of cyclist fatalities in the Netherlands is staggeringly high and particularly so in the last two years reported.”

In what he called a “forensic examination” of the evidence Stops noted that cycling fatalities last year in the famously bike-friendly Netherlands (270, compared to 87 in the UK) were “12 times the fatalities per million population!”

However, he did also note the Netherlands’ much higher cycling mode share – though pointed to recent stats that suggest fewer people are killed in Britain per billion kilometres cycled than in the Netherlands (15.0 compared to 15.6). This rising mortality rate, Stops said, could be linked to the increasing use of e-bikes, especially by older people.

Amsterdam Bicycles (Jorge Royan, Wikimedia Commons)

> Dutch government and neurologists call on cyclists to wear helmets – but cyclists’ union says “too much emphasis” on helmets discourages cycling and “has an air of victim blaming”

“The health benefits of cycling outweigh many times the statistically small chance of death and injury to individuals, therefore public policy rightly aspires to more and safer cycling. But the assumptions that are made by the new cycle activism should be challenged, and in particular suggesting that the Netherlands has all the solutions,” Stops continued.

“As you see, the Netherlands is grappling with cycle safety too. A question for us is whether GB should carry on as we have been, trying to emulate the Netherlands? We see e-bikes being heavily promoted in the UK these days. Should we carry on regardless under pressure from cycling activism? Or should we revert to data-led road safety interventions we know work?

“We see all manner of confusing road layouts appearing across GB, whereas we know that safer road layouts should be intuitive, understandable, and self-explaining.

“I welcome the new Transport Secretary Louise Haigh embarking on a fresh road safety strategy. A forensic examination of how we are doing would be helpful.”

> British cyclists feel less safe and more dissatisfied with their cycle lanes compared to European riders, research finds

However, in a rebuttal piece penned this week by the London Cycling Campaign’s head of campaigns and community development Simon Munk, who’ll be appearing on the road.cc Podcast this week to discuss all things culture wars, branded Stops’ “forensic examination” of the evidence “gibberish” and “statistical cherry-picking” designed to stop the introduction of cycling infrastructure.

Munk argued that Stops’ stats ignore “the hugely different demographic profiles of cycling in these countries, the differing reasons why fatalities occur in both countries, and that tying risk of cycling to very rare fatalities is not a good idea, statistically”.

Pointing out that when comparing actual fatality rates for cyclists, there are double the number killed per kilometre on UK roads compared to the Netherlands, he continued: “Using serious collisions as well would result again in a different result, and one that Stops has clearly chosen not to provide. The simple reality is cycling in the Netherlands is far safer than it is here.

“Stops throws in more stats but, ultimately, his evidential gymnastics just aren’t right. The Netherlands is far safer to cycle in than the UK, in part because, as international studies have shown repeatedly, cycle tracks work and not just for safety, but also to enable a far higher number of people and wider range to cycle for a wider range of journeys.”

Cyclist in London with pedestrians in foreground - copyright Simon MacMichael

> Conservative government “pursued poisonous culture wars” between cyclists and drivers, says new transport secretary – as Labour vows to “take back streets” for all road users

However, Munk also noted that “sadly, the views expressed by Stops are all too common in the transport industry. My concern is that his standpoint finds at least some sympathetic ears among those who still seem to view bicycles as toys in a grown-up world of big choo-choo machines.

“The transport industry cannot legitimately keep insisting that of course we all want more cycling as we face crises of climate, inactivity, road danger, congestion, pollution, community severance, and more, if every scheme comes down to an argument about whether cycle tracks are safe and how to even design them. That’s not to mention the behind-the-scenes bunfight every scheme faces for capacity.”

Finally, he concluded: “The one thing I agree with Stops on is that I also welcome the Government ‘embarking on a fresh road safety strategy. A forensic examination of how we are doing would be helpful’.

“I can only hope any government ‘grown-ups in the room’ involved in that examination won’t use cherry-picked stats to make a hackneyed anti-cycling case, but instead seek to find ways to deliver on pressing issues we all face, using evidence and best practice.”

12:19
Eli Iserbyt stamps on Ryan Kamp's rear mech during Exact Cross race (Eurosport) 3
Eli Iserbyt set to return from cyclocross ban for stamping on Ryan Kamp’s bike… on Saturday – as UCI clarifies week-long ban was for two races, not three

So apparently, to the UCI anyway, angrily stamping on a rival’s bike means you get to spend one pleasant weekend off catching up on Strictly and Wout van Aert’s latest performance in the Flemish Masked Singer.

Earlier this week, we reported that leading cyclocross star Eli Iserbyt – who took out his frustrations on former teammate Ryan Kamp’s rear mech after a crash at an Exact Cross race in Belgium two weeks ago – had been handed a week-long ban for his WWF-style stamp, following a review by cycling’s governing body.

Eli Iserbyt stamps on Ryan Kamp's rear mech during Exact Cross race (Eurosport) 2

> Eli Iserbyt handed three-race ban for stamping on Ryan Kamp’s rear mech during cyclocross stamp – but Kamp speaks out against Belgian’s suspension after apology

However, while it initially appeared that the Belgian champion would be sidelined for three races – leading to his absence at Essen and Ruddervoorde last weekend, and this Saturday’s upcoming Exact Cross event in Heerderstrand – the UCI last night clarified that the already pretty short suspension actually expires on Friday, and that Iserbyt is free to take part in a full weekend’s worth of mud and tight corners.

Let’s just hope he doesn’t get tangled in another barrier with Kamp on Saturday, then…

11:23
Rapha Clubhouse London (copyright Simon MacMichael)
“They’ll only have to sell three pairs of bibs, a long sleeve top, and a cap to recover that loss, chill!”

Yesterday’s news that Rapha has recorded its seventh consecutive annual loss, with that figure almost doubling to £22.7m for 2023-24, has certainly got plenty of you lot talking.

> Rapha losses almost double to £22.7m as UK turnover drops 20% amid "challenged" cycling sector, brand's seventh consecutive year in the red

Here are a few of your thoughts on the reasons behind Rapha’s latest troubling financial report, from Threads and the good ol’ comments section, of course:

Lewis: The premium market is becoming more and more saturated every year. The success of the lifestyle line also depended on owning that number 1 spot, which they don’t. The Rapha Club is also being one-upped by more premium or local offerings. Not sure how they can retake the number one spot without a shitload of R&D and/or professional endorsements.

Anke2: Maybe that fashion has finally ran out of steam? Maybe people just don’t want to be seen with the label ‘Rapha’ any longer, looking like a cheap copy of the beautiful, classical St. Raphael jersey of Anquetil?

2024 Rapha SS24 women's collection 2

Ceebee247: Got a lot of Rapha kit, bibs always fit and comfortable, jerseys always nice. However, they seem to have forgotten who their core base is. Most cyclists I know like interesting designs and colourful jerseys. What Rapha have given us this year has been very boring with washed out with extremely insipid colours.

That probably explains a bigger reason for the drop in sales. Most people who spend £100-200 on a jersey aren’t really going to be thinking about the cost of living crisis going on elsewhere.

A case in point is the oil slick jersey which was released recently, sold out in a few days, the bright reds and blue jerseys are sold out. To me this is a prime example of a company telling its clients what they want and not listening to what their client actually wants/buys. Having been around for 20 years you would think they would have sussed that by now.

Aprimrose85: I’ve been wearing Rapha a long time. The sizing went really weird and inconsistent the last few years. Short arm length, baggy and boxy in some products. The Pro Team collection fits great though, but their other stuff you’d be better going to Decathlon. Think commuter garb.

Toffee: While I’m sure the overall marketplace is a major problem, as it is for everyone, it doesn’t help that Rapha charges extortionate amounts for most of its kit. Good quality or not, the price is eye-watering.

Elifianc: Local shops nowadays can easily find their own kit suppliers with similar quality and cheaper price. Shops build their own brand and community.

2024 Rapha Gazzetta gilet front

Bjpark: Everyone here forgetting that part of the Walmart family borrowed a tonne of money and bought it based on speculative valuation. They’ve saddled the company with that debt and never turned a profit since.

Purceus: Wow, who would’ve imagined a large mega company buying them would eventually run them into the ground. Shocked.

Ryan Evans: They’ll only have to sell 3 pairs of bibs, a long sleeve top and a cap to recover that loss, chill!

09:18
2024 Ineos Grenadiers group ride Pinarello Dogma F
“Ineos seem to love a review”: Ineos Grenadiers announce new staff and performance structure changes after turbulent season – but fans say latest overhaul “like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic”

I wonder if Sir Jim Ratcliffe will ever get round to running a sporting organisation that isn’t in need of constant “thorough” reviews, structural overhauls, or management changes (well, I suppose the sailing team is doing pretty well, but still).

After a pretty turbulent few weeks – even by their own chaotic recent standards – which have seen Tom Pidcock’s future thrown in the air after the Olympic champion was dropped at the last minute from Il Lombardia, along with a few withering parting shots from the outgoing Ethan Hayter, last night the Ineos Grenadiers announced new structure and staff changes ahead of next season.

These changes, the under pressure British squad say, were based on a “thorough review of the team’s performance operations” carried out over the last six months by performance director Scott Drawer, in an attempt “to build on the strong foundations and team already in place and support the objective to win the biggest races in cycling”.

Ineos Grenadiers, 2024 Tour of Britain (Elliot Keen/British Cycling/via SWpix.com)

(Elliot Keen/British Cycling/via SWpix.com)

Among a string of new staff appointments, the highly-rated former Sky and CSC pro Kurt Asle Arvesen joins as a sports director, as does recently retired racer Leonardo Basso, whose freelance DS role this year has been upgraded to a permanent one.

Meanwhile, Dr. Mehdi Kordi, the British track and sprint specialist and brains behind the Dutch squad’s phenomenal success at the Paris Olympics, joins as head of performance support and innovation.

According to Ineos, this new structure will focus on “three distinct performance streams – Grand Tours and Stage Racing, Classics and One Day Racing, and Future Talent. There will be a renewed focus on specialist coaching in time trials, sprint, and power development, endurance training science, race strategy, aerodynamics, and technology development.”

So, cycling then.

Meanwhile, there has been no official confirmation about any outgoings, though head mechanic Diego Costa (not the former Chelsea forward and shithousery specialist, unfortunately) announced this morning that he’s leaving the team after two stints with Sky/Ineos.

More new staff will apparently be announced in early 2025, including a new head of engineering and technology, replacing the Red Bull-Bora-bound Dan Bigham.

> “I’ve had a tricky year working with them. And once I was leaving, it was even trickier”: Soudal Quick-Step-bound Ethan Hayter latest to publicly criticise Ineos Grenadiers, claiming British team “could do with a couple of changes”

“I’ve spent six months listening, observing, and working with the team to determine what's needed to set ourselves up for excellence for 2025 and beyond. I’ve been looking at every element of how we race, how we train and how we support our riders in the changing landscape of professional cycling,” performance director Drawer said in a statement.

“We have a highly motivated, hungry and ambitious team of coaches, sport directors and performance specialists who want to create an environment that allows our riders to fulfil their potential. That collective energy and desire will set us up for the challenges and opportunities that await in 2025.

“We are going to spend the rest of this year making further positive changes: setting the team’s performance plans and goals, executing some key training camps and getting the whole team ready to race hard in January. We want to set the right tone from the start and will be working closely with our riders to establish the culture which will facilitate success and be fundamental to our future.”

Tom Pidcock and Ethan Hayter, 2024 Tour of Britain (Will Palmer/SWpix.com)

(Will Palmer/SWpix.com)

However, while the Ineos diehards are optimistic that these changes will turn things around after a difficult and turbulent season, others aren’t as convinced.

“Step in the right direction but change starts at the top. Can you truly change with the management and the same system behind?” one fan asked on social media.

“Ineos seem to love a review,” added Sean, while Stuart described the team as the “most dysfunctional senior management in cycling. And that is really saying something.”

“Instead of the blah, blah, blah, what about winning again,” piped up Simon.

“It’s the language of corporate reorganization,” said Five Shoes. “Simplified reporting lines, quarterly performance reviews, agile. Only a matter of time before they start talking about the cycling calendar as Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4.”

It really is only a matter of time, isn’t it?

Tom Pidcock and Ben Swift, stage one, 2024 Tour of Britain (Elliot Keen/British Cycling/via SWpix.com)

(Elliot Keen/British Cycling/via SWpix.com)

“This just feels like an announcement for a managed decline as much as a structure change,” says J. “Which would be fine if the team was less bloated and had a focus instead of how it is now.”

“No mention of improvement in attitude towards riders (though could be said that’s been an issue off and on for over a decade),” noted Lynne.

Meanwhile, cycling YouTuber Benji Naesen said: “Curious to see what these changes bring to Ineos, but I feel like it's going to require more than structure and staff changes to turn the ship around.”

“One thing it might change would be in terms of recruitment though, must have been very hard to get anyone good to join from the outside when it looks like a sinking ship, it might looked like a patched up sinking ship now,” wrote Elias.

Continuing on the nautical theme, Charlotte added: “It does feel a bit like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. But these are good people for sure and they might be able to make a difference.”

Well, the proof is in the 2025 pudding (or the ship), I suppose…

10:23
“We’ll turn the ship around,” says new Ineos sports director Kurt Asle Arvesen

What is it with this Ineos obsession with naval references? I blame Ben Ainslie.

Anyway, one of the people tasked with performing the most momentous of mid-Atlantic U-turns at the Ineos Grenadiers is Kurt Asle Arvesen, the former Sky rider and DS, who is returning to the British squad as its lead sports director for 2025.

A Tour de France stage winner and key lieutenant in Carlos Sastre’s 2008 Tour win at CSC, the Norwegian spent the last two years of his pro career at the newly formed Sky, moving into a coaching and directing role in 2012, before joining Uno-X in 2017.

However, with Uno-X boss Thor Hushovd undertaking his own overhaul, the door was opened for Arvesen to rejoin Ineos amid a series of backroom changes designed to reverse the squad’s stuttering performances over the past few years.

Kurt Asle Arvesen (copyright: Tour of Spain/Graham Watson).jpg

Arvesen at the Vuelta during his Sky days (Graham Watson)

Speaking this morning to Daniel Benson (who else?), Arvesen admitted the Ineos he’s returning to in 2025 is very different to the all-conquering Team Sky he left in 2017.

“There are a lot of new people and new riders. Some of the old faces are still there, like Salvatore Puccio, Geraint Thomas, and Ben Swift. So I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone,” he said.

“They’re doing a good job there now with all the changes they are making, and then on Friday, I have my first meeting with them. From there I need to learn the ropes and get to know all the other sports directors. I know Oliver Cookson, and Christian Knees from before and it’s the same with Dario Cioni and some of the other coaches. I think we need to sit together and make a good plan for how we move forward.”

When asked about any other potential changes at Ineos, particularly the future of under fire racing director Steve Cummings, the 49-year-old said: “That’s a question I can’t answer because I don’t know. I officially start on January 1 with Ineos. I’ll be in meetings and I’m free from my tasks in Uno-X. I will spend the next two months getting to know the team, and with all the incredible people there we’ll turn the ship around.”

Team Sky 2010 Kurt_Arvesen_0916

He continued: “They’ve not had their best seasons in the last couple of years, so the new approach of going for stage wins, winning races, and one-day races, that’s something fun to be a part of.

“Winning the Tour de France is very difficult with the two guys Jonas Vingegaard and Tadej Pogačar, so we need to give all the talents like Carlos Rodriguez more time. That will make him feel less pressure coming into some of these races where we can have different goals. He will try and be there, and aim for GC where he can but without all the pressure that he might have had in the past.

“If you believe in getting back to the top, then it’s possible. Ineos are an incredible system with all the support and staff members in different areas that they have. I think that it’s possible but it will take time. Everything is compared to the times of Chris Froome and Bradley Wiggins and there are not many teams who have these achievements - there are only a few teams like UAE Team Emirates and Visma-Lease a Bike.

“It’s very hard for Ineos to repeat what they’ve done year after year and it’s really good what they achieved with Bradley, Chris and Geraint. When you compare everything to this, everything is a downfall. But of course, we can do better than 14 wins.

“I think they’ve had a good review of the season and we’ll try and race differently next year, going for one-day wins, stage wins, and giving all the talent the opportunities to go for their own luck. We’ll maybe go away from the way they used to race.”

10:57
Just in case you needed any more reasons to hate indoor training…

Looks like cycling ‘songwriter’ Killow has released their latest ‘tune’ – earplugs at the ready:

09:58
ICYMI: The road season’s over, so that means only one thing – time for a new ‘greatest ever’ ranking!

Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Daveyraveygravey | 32 min ago
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One more comment on Stops comments..." we see ebikes being promoted heavily in the UK"...um, do we?  Where would that be?

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Hirsute | 53 min ago
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Don't leave your cycle boots unattended !

(Came back later for the other one !)

 

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mitsky | 1 hour ago
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If Vincent Stops is so convinced of the UK being safer for cyclists, presumably he promotes the same to his nearest and dearest and actively encourages them to cycle on public roads and mix with drivers...?
I won't hold my breath.

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eburtthebike | 2 hours ago
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“still view bikes as toys in a grown-up world of big choo-choo machines”

Brmm-brmm machines, surely?

"A forensic examination of how we are doing would be helpful.”

It would Mr Stops, but conducted by someone who is unbiased and objective i.e. not you.

"...branded Stops’ “forensic examination” of the evidence “gibberish” and “statistical cherry-picking”

Far too kind.

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Pedal those squares replied to eburtthebike | 40 min ago
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Brmm-brmm machines, surely?

Cars are also on the roads outside of Birmingham.

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Cugel | 2 hours ago
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It's very difficult to know how statitics are being formulated and chosen-from without attempting a generally impossible task of going back to all the relevant basic counts oneself. And even then, the choice of what to regard as the basics to count is itself problematic. For example, how to determine not just "the" cause but all the causes of a collision involving: a bike, an e-bike, a ped, a dog, a car, a van, on a shared path, on an urban street, on a country road, etcetera, etcetera.

For this and many other reasons, I tend to agree with the general opinion that a Blightyland copy of Netherlands cycling infrastructure is not necessarily a best solution for Blighterland.

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On the other hand, it doesn't need a sophisticated statistical count and analysis to determine that the major contributor to serious traffic collisions everywhere is motorised transporters (their inherent designed nature) and the attitudes - with consequent behaviours - of many of those who drive them.

It therefore seems a very poor solution to build ghettoes for cyclists (so-called cycling infrastructure) when such ghettoes cost a fortune, do a lot of environmental damage added to that done with road contruction and introduce new problems of cyclist-pedestrian interactions. (The recent Dutch increase in cycling collisions and damages seems to be due in part to these). A solution with a far wider set of beneficial effects would be to make the roads far safer by limiting the opportunities and inclinations of motorised transport and their bad drivers to run amok.

E-bikes are limited in their assistance to speeds of 15.5 mph, on the grounds that higher assisted speeds will be more dangerous, especially for those who are "normal" rather than sporting cyclists. Why does the same approach not apply to cars? A limit of 50 mph maximum, with lesser speeds auto-applied via a computer chip in car, van or lorry in urban and other such areas is easy to design and implement .... apart from politically.

A driver is tested for competance before being let loose on the roads.  Why is this not a continuous process rather than a one-off good for the next 50 years?

Laws exist to prevent dangerous, inattentive and otherwise incompetant driving.  Why aren't they and the associated penalties applied, with a serious effort to catch the dangerous, inattentive and incompetant? Modern tech using cameras, face recognition and several other such facilties would be easy to arrange - except politically.

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How much has all of the various so-called cycling infrastructure, good and bad, improved the overall traffic murder & maiming rates? It may have saved a few cycists (may have) but its done nothing to save the thousands of deaths and millions of maimings over the years on Blighty roads. A much more serious root and branch change to governance of transport and traffic is needed or the murder and maiming will continue abated by only a percent or two by a few cycle paths, if that.

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chrisonabike replied to Cugel | 5 min ago
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Cugel wrote:

How much has all of the various so-called cycling infrastructure, good and bad, improved the overall traffic murder & maiming rates? It may have saved a few cycists (may have) but its done nothing to save the thousands of deaths and millions of maimings over the years on Blighty roads. A much more serious root and branch change to governance of transport and traffic is needed or the murder and maiming will continue abated by only a percent or two by a few cycle paths, if that.

Well, you can go and check the stats for NL.  And ... there are certainly quite a few cyclists dying!  Is their system doing nothing?  Don't make the mistake of failing to account for the vast numbers cycling (e.g. figures per head of population, or even figures per billion miles travelled or some other "exposure" metric).  Or fail to note that - unlike the UK - over there extra-vulnerable old and young people are cycling in large numbers also - who the figures show are far more likely to suffer solo bike crashes than run-ins with motorists.  (And old people will be disproportionately affected by any crash / just falling over...)

Difference with their (imperfect, still car-heavy) system is that they not only have a legal system but ALSO actually have an effective feedback loop looking at road safety more generally and feeding back improvements as part of the process.  (That's why we can discuss their statistics - that's important to them; in the UK not so much...).  The problem in the UK is it's always one driver at a time (and each event in isolation)...

Does this translate to the UK?  Alas I can't give you figures but I'm pretty sure there have been no people run over by motor vehicles on the completely separated former railway paths in Edinburgh.  (I'm not 100% certain as I do occasionally see motorbike-equipped yoof on them.  However those people aren't obeying any laws - some of those bikes are clearly stolen as they get burned out - and the police struggle to deal with them anywhere).  And those aren't even "best practice" ones, being "shared use" and not over-wide...

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alexuk | 2 hours ago
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"Politician uses political tactics, to push his political opinion".

...now try saying that fast, 3-times afer a few beers.

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