Over a decade on from branding Lance Armstrong a “lying bastard” in the wake of his doping confession and lifetime ban from cycling, Bradley Wiggins has revealed that the controversial Texan has offered to pay for a week of special therapy in the US, saying that Armstrong is a “good man” who has a “heart under there somewhere”.
In an interview with Jake Humphrey’s High Performance Podcast, which saw him open up about his recent mental health and financial struggles, the 2012 Tour de France winner said he didn’t condone Armstrong’s doping, but argued the banned Texan’s misdeeds are “a bit disproportionate to what some people get away with in this world”.
Five-time Olympic gold medallist Wiggins joined Armstrong and his former Team Columbia colleague George Hincapie in Colorado during this year’s Tour de France to appear on Armstrong’s The Move podcast, two years after meeting up with the ex-US Postal duo, along with Mark Cavendish and Jan Ullrich, for a series of group rides and podcast recordings in Mallorca.
> “Back with the boys!” Sir Bradley Wiggins joins Lance Armstrong’s podcast during Tour de France
And speaking to Humphrey, Wiggins said that Armstrong – who was stripped of his seven Tour titles in 2012 following USADA’s doping investigation – has offered support and guidance during the retired British pro’s much-publicised struggles with mental health in recent years.
“Lance has helped me a lot in recent years, more so this year,” Wiggins said. “Talking about therapy, he wants to pay for me to go to this big place in Atlanta, where you stay for a week, they take your phone off you. Lance was going to fund that for me. He’s a good man.
“That’s not to condone what he did, we all know that, but it’s a bit disproportionate to what some people get away with in this world. He’s got a heart under there somewhere.
He’s also got an ego the size of a house. It’s why he won seven Tours… well he didn’t.”
The 44-year-old said he initially told Armstrong that “I don’t need help, but thanks for the offer”, but says he could yet accept it.
“That was five months ago, but I’m considering speaking to him,” he said. “I wanted to get back to a semblance of order, without talking to someone… Now I know what I want to talk to a therapist about.
“I’ve got much more of an idea of the behaviour patterns I’ve been left with, what drives me, and where do they come from. I didn’t just want to go in there and say ‘Sort me out’.”
> Sir Bradley Wiggins: “I don’t ride a bike anymore because I don’t like the person I became when I was on it”
Wiggins also told the podcast that the resentment he felt towards cycling following his retirement in 2016 stemmed from both his fractious relationship with his late father Garry, whose success as a track rider Bradley wished to emulate as a youngster, and the sexual abuse he allegedly suffered at the hands of former coach Stan Knight of the Archer Road club in west London.
“The biggest thing that has impacted me and the biggest thing I’ve come to terms with, the biggest thing that caused me the most amount of pain, was the fact I was sexually abused for three years by my first coach between the ages of 13 and 16,” the former Team Sky leader admitted.
“When I started to accept that, after I’d ignored it for 30 years, I realised that it was partially why I was successful. It was the greatest distraction I could have in those years.
“When I retired, I really resented cycling. I said a lot of times that I hated cycling because I blamed getting into cycling for the reason I met this guy. That was a real process for me. The five years of going through that.
“The interview I did with The Times meant four people came forward who were in the club at the same time, and that was a weight off my shoulders. There was an insinuation that I was lying about it, and that killed me.”
Discussing his recent financial troubles, which have led to him being declared bankrupt with unpaid debts of almost £2 million, Wiggins claims he was “fleeced left, right, and centre”.
“Money has never defined me or been my main priority. I wish it had been at times,” he said. “There were a lot of changes in tax laws and things, and I had professionals who were bending the books and stuff while I was still cycling. Up to 2012, they were exploiting my image and name.
“You get 10 years down the line and you realise you were a pawn in everyone’s game. There was a lot of professional negligence. It has been a learning curve.”
The build-up of a whole host of issues over the past decade, Wiggins says, culminated in a particularly dark period last year.
“There were some extreme moments, the last one was about a year ago – without going into too much detail, but I was in a very dark place, a very dark room, for many days,” he said.
“It was a hotel. My son [Ben], actually, was the one who intervened and really made me realise the self-destructive mode I was in, the damage I was doing to myself.”
However, Wiggins says he’s determined to deal with his issues, and is now back on his bike and attempting to take responsibility for his own life, saying he’s now in the “best place” he’s been his entire life.
“There always seemed to be something that was causing me issues,” he admitted. “I’ve realised now that there’s never going to be a clear path. There’s always going to be something happening.
“I was one of those people who wallowed in self-pity, especially after my career, asking why it always happened to me. I’ve realised that these things only become inter-related if you let them affect your behaviour.
“I was one of those people who would drink and I'd be late for something or not turn up for something and it would affect my behaviour.
“Now I’m in the best place I've been for 44 years of my life. That’s largely down to the fact I've been to the arse-end of the world. I’ve been in dark places at times, for various reasons.
“I’ve experienced extreme highs with my success, and other aspects of my life, but I’ve also experienced, like most of us, the other end of the spectrum.
“I’ve spent five years sorting it out in my mind. I’ve finally taken responsibility for my own life. I’m not in a position where I’m playing the blame game. I think my best years are yet to come.”
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Well, gosh: I trust that Andy always moves his coach, car, or motorcycle over to the kerb and parks up, when a faster moving motor vehicle approaches him from behind?
I think he needs to reread the highway code…
Nobody is all good or all bad. In terms of Armstrong, my problem with him has always been more how he treated other riders than the fact he took drugs, given most of the peleton were at the time. But in other ways, I'm not surprised that Wiggins has said he is a good man: I have spoken with Geoff Thomas about the support Armstrong gave him when he was going through cancer.
Not just other riders either, journalists who dared to question him, support staff and others. What I found particularly despicable (and I recognise there may be some bitterness in this because for quite a while I was one of those who believed in him and thought that the rumours were just continental jealousy about the brash American coming and winning their big races) was the playing of the "I've had cancer so how dare you suggest I would do anything that could damage my health" card against his accusers, that was really cynical.
All these post fame celebs are seeking to establish themselves on the right. Russell brand has loads in common with this nonsense - road tax my ars@
My thoughts and deepest sympathy to the family and friends of Alana.
Re the West Yorkshire debacle I unfortunately got drawn into Dominik's thread with one of the contributors who was consistently doubling down with anyone who interacted with him. Once he started dishing out insults it was pretty obvious that he had lost the discussion. It was literally a thread of cycling bingo. It was the usual fixation on lack of lights etc. The main theme was that cyclists caused all congestion and no one could accept that it was motorised vehicles that were the issue.
“When cyclists pay road tax they can use the road” What part of ''there is no such thing as road tax don't they unsderstand" Vehicle Excise Duty is NOT road tax. It isn't set aside for road building and maintenance; It all goes into the wider tax receipts. We all pay income tax and council tax.
Phillip Hammond changed all that back in 2018 when he ringfenced receipts from VED in England to roads. This was a follow through from George Osborne's commitment back in 2015.
This is not actually the case, House of Commons briefing paper December 2023: "The original tax that became VED (introduced in 1921) was created to provide funding for road construction and maintenance. This is no longer the case, and VED revenue is not hypothecated for road maintenance."
Hammond did promise in 2018 that VED revenue from 2021/2 onwards would go into a National Road Fund, but the Tories didn't follow through and VED receipts still go into the Consolidated Fund (the "general pot").
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/tories-philip-hammond-rac-governme...
Thanks for the update. I'd never heard about the briefing paper.
Moot anyway because although people have even bandied about numbers comparing "road taxes" (wot motorists pay over "just the bare cost of fuel and car" I guess?) and the "road budget" AFAIK no country actually publishes yearly "this is really what the cost of driving is" estimates. Those would require including at least some of the many "externalities of motoring". Some of which are easier to measure, some a bit "what price..." [wiki] [Review of a study of this from back in 2012].
Grounds for agreement (with a few people...) might be "motoring is something we value and feel delivers benefits BUT we realise that it also comes with high costs and not just to drivers."
Cycling, on the other hand ... (how about the proposition "Cycling infrastructure is cheaper to build than not to build"?)
The salient point is that the tax is all about the vehicle. The principle being the more impact the vehicle has, the bigger the tax. So if someone chooses to clog up the roads with their big stinky SUV that can't even fit within the width and length of a standard parking bay, then they're going to be pay more tax, but even this doesn't scratch the surface of how much money is spent on building and maintaining, and subsidisings roads every year. That enormous amount of money has to come mainly from general taxation.
And if a zero emission car pays no VED, then cyclists should actually get a VED rebate.
Agree with all your points, but I see that zero emission cars (I own one) will start paying VED at the same rate as other cars from April 2025.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vehicle-tax-for-electric-and-low-emissions-vehicles
Most of the cyclists I know do pay road tax. They own cars and motorbikes, as well as cycles.
No one pays road tax. See above.
I've just read Armstrong being called 'a good guy', yet more Facebook nonsense calling for cyclists to have road tax zzzzz, police failing to investigate a stolen bike, a murdurous rampage taking the life on an innocent woman, yet the one thing that saddens me the most is the look of that bloody fugly Colnago.
I'm starting to lose all faith.
It's a shame the police can't trawl through responses on social media and cancel the driving licences of those whose postings betray an attitude that shows they're unsuitable to be allowed to drive.
Jeremy Vine makes the list again.
The job of the BBC journalists (and all those from, supposably, respectable news outlets) is to report accurately regardless of how most people talk.
I look forward to the day that all the admins of the BBC's separate regional Facebook pages unblock me for pointing out their use of inaccurate language and pointing them in the direction of the Road Collision Reporting Guidelines.
As if.
Just because it's in their charter and editorial guidelines doesn't mean that they actually have to do it. They've been lying about cycle helmets for over forty years, for instance.
Proof even with Hi-Viz people still don't see you.
https://youtu.be/H9DUuBqlSTg?si=m6wDiy_2WPFtAbiF
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Another company chasing the 'premium' sector struggling.........Well, call me shocked.
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This is somewhat disingenuous of the BBC, and an abdication of its responsibility. Rather than reflecting on its editorial style and choosing to update accordingly it is taking a beligerently resistant approach.
It is not a neutral bystander, it is selecting and expressing news in necessarily nuanced terms. It chooses that nuance. Different people use different language. I've never heard Chris Mason saying, "I 'arxed' the Prime Minister...", yet some ordinary people might.
While it may reflect what some people say, it doesn't have to do so inaccurately or in what we can see to be a misleading style.
Boo Beeb!
And if you ever watch Newswatch on the BBC News channel BBC seniors never apologise or even hint that they might have made a mistake in their reporting.
Newswash
It's easy to carelessly remove the driver from the picture and blame the vehicle.
Even road.cc have done it in their photo caption at the top of this page.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80l8nndl51o
"give out advice" - is this like the Frankie Boyle(?) joke? "Yes, there is a vegetarian option: f*** off!"
So "for safety, don't ride at night without lights. Sorry, I mean don't ride at night. Actually, don't ride."
Sorry, I mean don't ride at night
They've already done that! It was some 'South Wales Road Safety Partnership' or some equally rubbishy body, after Northumbria (I think) police started the ball rolling with 'Don't ride at busy periods'. I think they got in before British Cycling crowned the 'restrict cycling' movement with 'don't ride during Royal funerals- but drive as much as you like and park where you like'
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