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Driver moans about cyclists on the road...doesn't get the reply she wanted; Biggins or Wiggins?; Rod Ellingworth: We're against one of greatest Grand Tour riders ever; Jeremy Vine has a chuckle; Bicycle mayor; A very Belgian vid + more on the live blog

It's time for your Tuesday live blog with Dan Alexander providing the updates...

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19 October 2021, 16:13
$1000 Prada cycling shorts: The bargain of the century

 A quick look online found UK outlets selling £890 Prada cycle shorts. That's $1,222 across the pond...

Why? Well according to one retailer selling them...it will "elevate your casual collection". Who doesn't pay near 900 quid for their casual wear?

But don't worry, they've got a "flattering high waist and elasticated band for an easy wear" and have the "iconic logo embroiderd to the hem". They're not bib shorts though are they? Then again, I think these are better for being taken for a ride rather than actually going for one.

19 October 2021, 15:47
New Deceuninck-Quick-Step contract for James Knox

One Briton has signed a new deal with Deceuninck-Quick-Step today, no not that one...yet. It's James Knox. The 25-year-old has signed for another two years with the Belgian team he has represented since leaving Team Wiggins at the end of 2017. Knox's best results include an 11th place at the Vuelta a España in 2019 and 14th at the 2020 Giro d'Italia.

"I am really happy to come to an agreement with Patrick and the team, and it was an easy decision to make," Knox explained. "I had a nice talk with Patrick, where things went smoothly and we took it from there – agreeing to stay did not take too much thinking. I have now been with the team for four years and it will be six by the time I have finished, which is a long time when I think about it – I will have spent half of my ‘cycling life’ so far, with the team, which is crazy to think about, but I am really happy to stay and feeling more and more comfortable."

If Cav stays there'll be three Brits on the squad next year, after 21-year-old Ethan Vernon also announced he'll be joining the team soon-to-be called Quick Step-Alpha Vinyl.

19 October 2021, 14:35
And we thought that saddle yesterday was bad...

Yesterday's live blog was something of a component failure special, including one reader's less than ideal saddle situation. We thought that was bad, then we saw this...

One reply speculated that this could be what happens if you use mayo as chamois cream...that's enough to put you off that particular condiment for life. 

19 October 2021, 12:53
Reaction to the now-deleted rant that's our main story today...Fear and Loathing bats, rational discussion on Twitter and entitled drivers
Road space picture

Time for some reaction to our top story this morning...

There was a nice picture of the tweet here, although unfortunately it has now been deleted. Boring. Anyway, the tweet did say, "the amount of cyclists on the road today should be considered a crime."

Graham Snook's got the top comment over on Facebook: "They moan about people on bikes on the road, they moan about spending money on a dedicated cycling infrastructure to get people on bikes off the road. They moan if we go too close to their cars and moan if we keep a safe distance away from them. They moan that they want us to obey the traffic laws, but also moan when we ride two abreast. What they want us to be is Schrödinger's cyclist."

It wasn't all bad though. Without out the tweet, Captain Badger and the rest of us would never have seen this...

Blog reaction
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eburtthebike reckons the driver's attitude is similar to many: "She's merely demonstrating the attitude of so many drivers; they've paid for the roads so cyclists shouldn't really be using them, and they get in her way.  Drivers are the legitimate users of the roads, and everyone else is there by drivers' permission and tolerance.

"Pity someone didn't try a little gentle questioning before she shut up shop, something like 'Why do you say that?' or 'Too many cyclists or too few?' or 'What's wrong with them?'  It might have brought out the reasons for her statement which could then be disproved; not that proof has every changed a driver's mind."

hirsuite replied: "Someone did ask why? No reply except for an offensive gesture. I don't think Twitter is aimed at rational discussion burt."

I think hirsuite might be onto something there...

19 October 2021, 13:11
Selle San Marco reveals new Shortfit 2.0 saddles
2021 Selle San Marco Shortfit 2.0 Supercomfort

Italy’s Selle San Marco has unveiled its Shortfit 2.0 saddles, an evolution of the original Shortfit design that has been around since 2017. We’ve reviewed several Shortfit models over the past few years, most recently the Selle San Marco ShortFit Dynamic Saddle which Stu awarded an overall score of 8. 

There are six Selle San Marco Shortfit 2.0 saddles:
• Carbon FX (carbon rails) £179.99
• Racing (Xslite/Ti rails) £134.99
• Dynamic (manganese rails) £79.99
• Sport (steel carbon) £54.99
• Supercomfort (Xslite/Ti rails) £144.99
• Comfort (manganese) £89.99

The Comfort model features an extra layer of padding made of Pullfoam, a low density foam with variable thickness that is said to follow the movement of the pelvis during the pedalling motion.

The Supercomfort saddle features thick Biofoam Plus padding, a gel insert, and shock absorbers to increase comfort.

Shortfit 2.0 is 255mm long and comes in two widths: narrow (140 mm – idmatch S3) and wide (155 mm – idmatch L3), and only in Open-fit central cutout.
Selle San Marco’s UK distributor ZyroFisher will have the Shortfit 2.0 saddles but it’s unsure exactly when. We’ll keep you updated on that.

2021 Selle San Marco Shortfit 2.0

 

19 October 2021, 12:19
CHPT3 launches Dirt clothing range
2021 Chpt 3 Dirt action

The CHPT3 Dirt clothing that Anna told us all about when she went riding gravel with company founder David Millar in Girona a couple of weeks ago has now been officially launched.

> Baggies, gravel and laissez-faire route planning: my unconventional morning with David Millar in Girona 

“The T-shirt (£59) is designed for adventure, cut like a T-shirt and made to perform under physical effort,” says CHPT3. It is said to be made from a highly breathable next-to-skin fabric and is fast drying. 

The Dirt Tech Shorts (£119) feature two standard and low side pockets. Mesh is used inside to keep things breathable. 

The undercover shorts (£69) are designed to be worn under the Dirt Shorts (above) when riding off road. They’re made from a micro-mesh that “compresses while delivering stretch and repelling heat and moisture” and the seat pad is said to be made for comfort and distance.

2021 Chpt 3 Dirt Under Shorts

 

19 October 2021, 11:02
Biggins or Wiggins? How do you say hello to fellow cyclists?
bradley wiggins 18 may 21 - screenshot via twitter.PNG

Are you a Wiggo or Biggo? Surely we'd all rather be a Tour de France winner with an Olympic gold medal and job for life analysing bike races? When the alternative is being a 'public entertainment figure' now making headlines for talking to Nigel Farage on GB News and bashing cyclists on daytime radio, I think there's only one answer? Well, not according to reader Rob whose group ride has a game now known as Biggins or Wiggins...

The rules: you must predict if the approaching rider will give a cheery hello or an icy pro stare. The former being a Biggins, and the latter a Wiggins. The more extreme the reaction, the more of a Biggins or Wiggins said rider is...

What's your go to greeting? Are you a cool nod kind of cyclist? The penguins from Madagascar-inspired smile and wave (niche reference, I know)? You can't go wrong with a smile and nod, in my opinion...

19 October 2021, 10:19
Annemiek van Vleuten back on the bike two weeks after breaking shoulder and pelvis in Paris-Roubaix crash

Just two weeks after suffering a broken shoulder and double break to her pelvis at Paris-Roubaix, Annemiek van Vleuten is back on the bike. The Movistar rider has been out and about on her city bike and is still planning on taking a trip to Colombia in December for some winter miles.

Writing on her website, Van Vleuten said she still expects a fairly standard 4-6 week recovery before returning to training...obviously pootling around town on a city bike  doesn't count when you're a three-time world champ...

"I have already been out three times on my city bike. There I sit so upright and also on a very soft and wide saddle, it was actually painless. Last Tuesday I took my first ride. After 16km I was completely exhausted, but I went!"

Moral of the story: pro cyclists are tough.

19 October 2021, 10:07
"I know I shouldn't laugh at this. But it is just such desperate nonsense": Jeremy Vine ponders road positions explained (not very well)
19 October 2021, 09:28
Lotto-Soudal confirm Victor Campenaerts' return with one of the most Belgian signing videos you'll ever see...

Arguably all that was missing was a mysterious shot of him arriving by city bike...and a nice swig of one of the local favourites at the end.  

A quick afternoon edit: It's not just Victor C who's going to be at Lotto-Soudal for the foreseeable...the team has extended its partnership with Ridley for another four years, with the team riding the brand's Noah Fast Disc, Helium SLX Disc and the new Dean Fast Disc time trial bike in 2022. I wonder if that new TT machine had a say in Campenaerts' return?

19 October 2021, 09:11
Rod Ellingworth admits it's back to the drawing board for Ineos Grenadiers in search for Grand Tour victory against Tadej Pogačar
Pogacar, Vingegaard and Carapaz on 2021 Tour de France Stage 17 (picture credit A.S.O./Pauline Ballet)

Ineos Grenadiers director of racing Rod Ellingworth has reflected on the season just finished, and concluded it was "one of the best seasons we’ve ever had from an actual winning point of view, and the quality of wins." In an in depth interview with Cyclingnews, Ellingworth cited the team's Giro d'Italia win, succession of early season week-long stage race wins, as well as Olympic and World Championships success with Tom Pidcock and Filippo Ganna as evidence they are still one of the best in the business.

Ellingworth did admit it was "back to the drawing board" on their Tour de France ambitions and had plenty of praise for Tadej Pogačar..."We are against perhaps one of the greatest Grand Tour riders ever seen in Pogačar, so we don’t take it lightly. It’s not like we can just waltz in without any thought. Like most teams, we’ll go back to the drawing board and have a damn good look at it. We’re going to come back fighting next year, that’s for sure.

"It’s a big challenge but a good one. UAE and Jumbo-Visma are doing a brilliant job. We’ve already started looking at what it’s going to take to win these bike races. The racing style is changing, people are going at it earlier. Look at [Mathieu] Van der Poel and [Remco] Evenepoel. It’s phenomenal. It’s great to see these young guys racing."

19 October 2021, 09:00
Bath's first bicycle mayor appointed by Amsterdam-based social enterprise

Saskia Heijltjes has been appointed as Bath's first bicycle mayor, a role created by an Amsterdam-based social enterprise promoting cycling as a means of transforming cities around the world. Somerset Live reports Heijltjes put herself forward for the voluntary role which is independent of political groups and is part of a network of 100 bicycle mayors in 30 countries.

In her own words, the role will "accelerate the progress of cycling in Bath by highlighting and supporting the role of civil society in enacting lasting, community driven change.

"Bicycle mayors are the human face and voice of cycling advocacy in a city. My task as bicycle mayor will be to work across all parts of the community to identify the most pressing issues, and then bring people together to work on implementing practical solutions. Cycling in Bath is safe to a certain extent in certain areas, such as the canal towpath, river towpath, Two Tunnels path, Bristol-Bath railway path.

"These paths are lovely for leisure trips, but do not allow you to cycle safely for everyday trips. These paths are also not suitable for cycling in the dark for some, including many women and children. Most importantly, it is not safe for all ages and abilities to cycle in Bath at the moment. An eight-year-old child can’t cycle safely (with their parent/carer) to many places in Bath, including their own school."

19 October 2021, 07:38
Driver moans about amount of cyclists on the road...doesn't get the reply she wanted

Nothing like a social media pile on to start a grey-looking Tuesday. But hey, it's an educational pile on...

You can't expect to put something like this out there and not get anything back. The replies mainly consisted of neat pictures showing how much road space people in cars or buses take up compared to those on foot or riding a bike. Exhibit A...

Road space picture

Elsewhere in the replies the fun started...yes, the amount of cyclists should be "considered a crime"...

I'm not sure this is quite going how she intended. Anyway, if nothing else it's another addition to the amusing anti-cycling live blog genre...

At least she took it well...

I assume Surrey Roads Policing Unit's admin was up to something more important at the time, but this would have been right up their street. They made our summer with that reply to a driver complaining about "dickhead" cyclists. Mimicking her style to a T, they delivered the mic drop moment: "Dear Meg, We’ve DM’d you. Yours sincerely, The Police x" 10/10.

More recently (and more seriously) they advised cyclists to steer clear of dangerous door zone cycle lanes, saying: "The lane is yours, use as much of it as you safely need."

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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eburtthebike replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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hirsute wrote:

I don't think Twitter is aimed at rational discussion burt

Just as well I'm still banned from it until they decide my appeal for calling Cristo a cretin; ten months and counting.

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hawkinspeter replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

hirsute wrote:

I don't think Twitter is aimed at rational discussion burt

Just as well I'm still banned from it until they decide my appeal for calling Cristo a cretin; ten months and counting.

I think you need to move on from Twitter (or create a different account). Use of the word "cretin" is offensive to people with congenital iodine deficiency and also to people from Crete (Cretans).

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rct replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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Factually you are correct, so why the ban?

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eburtthebike replied to rct | 2 years ago
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rct wrote:

Factually you are correct, so why the ban?

I don't know.  I appealed immediately, but have never had a response to the couple of times I tried to contact them.

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Captain Badger replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

hirsute wrote:

I don't think Twitter is aimed at rational discussion burt

Just as well I'm still banned from it until they decide my appeal for calling Cristo a cretin; ten months and counting.

I'm with HP. Cristo may be an utter shit, but use of the word cretin as a pejorative is not dissimilar to using, say, spastic in the same context. 

I know your meaning, and echo those sentiments, but it may not  be the offence to Cristo as such that lead to twatter's verdict (if it was, shame on Twatter for casting him as a victim)

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mdavidford replied to Captain Badger | 2 years ago
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Captain Badger wrote:

it may not be offence to Cristo as such that lead twatter's verdict (if it was, shame on Twatter for casting him as a victim)

I suspect you may be giving them too much credit in thinking that they gave much thought to it either way. More likely, "Complaint #736,235... ...234,345 *flips coin* - heads - hit them with the ban stick. Complaint #736,235.... "

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Captain Badger replied to mdavidford | 2 years ago
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mdavidford wrote:

Captain Badger wrote:

it may not be offence to Cristo as such that lead twatter's verdict (if it was, shame on Twatter for casting him as a victim)

I suspect you may be giving them too much credit in thinking that they gave much thought to it either way. More likely, "Complaint #736,235... ...234,345 *flips coin* - heads - hit them with the ban stick. Complaint #736,235.... "

I fear you may be correct

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eburtthebike replied to Captain Badger | 2 years ago
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Captain Badger wrote:

I'm with HP. Cristo may be an utter shit, but use of the word cretin as a pejorative is not dissimilar to using, say, spastic in the same context.

Cretin is nothing like spastic, and it is defined by the Cambridge dictionary as "a very stupid person".  There may be medical conditions associated with it, but these do not define it, unlike spastic.

But nothing explains the 10 month wait for an appeal which they claim will be done "as soon as possible."

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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Taken it mentioned Dated term which is why Cambridge didn't mention it but this is from simply doing a Google Search and taking the top suggestions offered direcly.

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OFFENSIVE
a stupid person (used as a general term of abuse).
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DATED•MEDICINE
a person who is physically deformed and has learning difficulties because of congenital thyroid deficiency.

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Captain Badger replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

Cretin is nothing like spastic, and it is defined by the Cambridge dictionary as "a very stupid person".  There may be medical conditions associated with it, but these do not define it, unlike spastic.

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Sorry Eburt, I think you're wrong. Cretinism is actually a medical term, that's where the slur comes from. It still exists today, is an avoidable yet devastating condition if not caught and treated. MW defines as such

Merriam Webster wrote:

Definition of cretinism

: a usually congenital condition marked by physical stunting and intellectual disability and caused by severe hypothyroidism

I don't believe it is acceptable to use medical conditions as a slur - they effect real people, and their carers. In exactly the same way that it is not acceptable to use medical terms such as spastic, or mongol, retard, or any other for that matter whether or not the terminology is obsolete.

Eburt, I'm on your side regarding Cristo. Just not on the use of the word cretin

 

 

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Rendel Harris replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

Cretin is nothing like spastic, and it is defined by the Cambridge dictionary as "a very stupid person".  There may be medical conditions associated with it, but these do not define it, unlike spastic.

Well...actually "cretin" does have its origins (from the French) in a specific condition, the dwarfism and physical and mental impairments associated with genetic deficiencies in Alpine families. Ironically it wasn't actually an insult, it derives from "Christianus" and was meant to act as a reminder that the disabled were Christians, i.e. humans, not animals. 

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Captain Badger replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

 

Well...actually "cretin" does have its origins (from the French) in a specific condition, the dwarfism and physical and mental impairments associated with genetic deficiencies in Alpine families. Ironically it wasn't actually an insult, it derives from "Christianus" and was meant to act as a reminder that the disabled were Christians, i.e. humans, not animals. 

Quite an interesting article  here (yes, should b working). The word fell out of favour in a clinical sense due to perjoritisation in the 20th century. 

https://bigthink.com/health/history-of-cretinism/

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brooksby | 2 years ago
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Question - is it an offence to drive an SUV around with a flat tyre?

Coming in this morning, waiting at a crossing, heard this awful noise and saw a big black SUV (aren't they all?) drive past with the passenger side rear tyre flopping around.  Crossing lights changed so I sped down the queue of traffic, said to the bloke driving (with a young teenager in the passenger seat, wearing school uniform) "I think you've got a flat tyre!" "Yeah, I know" he replies, and just carries on...  

I would have thought that driving along with a shredded tyre might be a teensy bit dangerous...?

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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Might have been a run flat. Might have been an arsehole. 

 

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SimoninSpalding replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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Question - is it an offence to drive an SUV?

No but it should be!

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DrG82 replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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I'd say that could be classified as driving a vehicle in a dangerous condition and therefore potentially a upto a £2500 fine and 3 points.

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brooksby replied to DrG82 | 2 years ago
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DrG82 wrote:

I'd say that could be classified as driving a vehicle in a dangerous condition and therefore potentially a upto a £2500 fine and 3 points.

Well, he was in the queue to go over the Clifton Suspension Bridge and I noticed that there was a police car parked up on the other side of the bridge (I went over before he did).  I wonder whether they had a quiet word with him...

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Captain Badger replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

I would have thought that driving along with a shredded tyre in a child-killing-planet-wrecking-road-hogging-greedy-arsed-wank-panzer-penis-substitute might be a teensy bit dangerous...?

TFTFY

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Kendalred replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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So not only is he damaging the long term future of the teenage passenger by driving a planet-wrecking Chelsea tractor, but putting his immediate future at risk by driving him around in a defective vehicle. 

Moron isn't a strong enough word.

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kamoshika replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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Had the same a few years back with a guy in a Golf. Caught up with him, and he just kind of chuckled, said he knew about it and sped off. Hope he didn't need to make an emergency stop any time after that.

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Rendel Harris replied to kamoshika | 2 years ago
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About ten years ago now a car drove past our then flat on a main road in the early hours of the morning with the rear nearside wheel completely missing, dragging the axle along the ground, leaving an impressive trail of sparks and a massive gouge in the road. I ran out and shouted helpfully, "Mate, your wheel's missing!" to which he replied, "You think I don't fucking know?" and continued on his merry way. Shortly afterwards a Blues-Brothers-style convoy of patrol cars shot up the road in the same direction, so hopefully he was brought to a safe stop...

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Captain Badger replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

....Shortly afterwards a Blues-Brothers-style convoy of patrol cars shot up the road in the same direction, so hopefully he was brought to a safe stop...

Surely a huge smash up?

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

 "I think you've got a flat tyre!" "Yeah, I know" he replies, and just carries on...

Maybe punctured it on a few spokes? surprise

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