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Lance Armstrong becomes reality TV villain after clashing with Modern Family star over trans athletes; Tadej Pogačar: “The Tour de France is definitely not over”; Tour heads to its ‘roof’ for Alpine monster + more on the live blog

It’s Wednesday, and Ryan Mallon is all set for a gruelling day through the pouring rain and up the long steep climbs of the live blog

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19 July 2023, 08:07
Lance Armstrong on Stars on Mars (Fox)
Lance Armstrong becomes reality TV villain – and threatens to leave show – after clashing with Modern Family star over trans athletes

So, it turns out Big Tex just wasn’t content with his long-held status as pro cycling’s pantomime villain – he’s carving out another niche as the bad guy of reality television these days, too.

As you may remember (despite the attempts to expunge it from your mind), everyone’s favourite seven-time Tour de France winner is spending this particular July on a simulated version of Mars, as part of Fox’s new celebrity competition show, where famous people – like actual famous people, like Ronda Rousey and McLovin from Superbad – pretend to be astronauts on the Red Planet, completing tasks to win a speedboat, or something (I may be getting my TV programmes mixed up).

> Has Travis Tygart gone too far this time? Lance Armstrong is being sent to Mars… for a reality TV show (hosted by William Shatner)

Anyway, Big Tex is living up to his divisive reputation on the show it seems. On this week’s episode – and this is a sentence I never thought I’d write – Armstrong threatened to leave the show altogether after tensions escalated between the disgraced former world champion and Alex from Modern Family, Ariel Winter, due to a row over trans athletes.

So far, so very Armstrong.

Lance Armstrong on Fox's Stars on Mars (Fox)

> “He’s lecturing people about fairness in sports?” Lance Armstrong says he is “all too familiar” with being cancelled and is “uniquely positioned to have these conversations” as he enters trans athletes row

The animosity emerged when Mellow Johnny plugged (sorry, I mean casually mentioned) his new trans people in sport-focused special of his The Forward podcast series – which we first mentioned last month on the live blog – to Rousey.

According to Vanity Fair, Armstrong (despite his claim that he only wanted to ask questions about the debate on his pod) told Rousey that a separate category for trans athletes is needed.

““Listen, this is real simple: You want to transition, let’s do it. You have your own category. We’re gonna have a whole new division. We’ll celebrate you just like we celebrate everybody else. Let’s go. What’s unfair about that?” he asked the UFC fighter.

> British Cycling updates transgender policy, introduces new "Open" category

However, LA’s take wasn’t greeted with much enthusiasm from his fellow contestants, with singer Tinashe (no, me neither) arguing that excluding trans people “from the same spaces and places that everyone else uses” is “not good for their mental health”.

“Actually, no, we’re not excluding anybody,” Armstrong jumped back in. “And, by the way, I sound like a right-wing lunatic. I’m not. I’m the most liberal person, but from a sporting perspective…”

> UCI bans transgender female cyclists who have transitioned after puberty from competing in international women’s races

Actress Winter then remarked that the banned rider was “ostracising the people who don’t fit in the categories”, while Olympic figure skater said Armstrong’s stance was “disheartening” and that the debate around trans participation in sport was “way more nuanced” than the Texan was making out.

Rippon also admitted that Armstrong’s remarks “have completely shifted the energy and have completely shifted the focus, and I will not ever forget them.”

Well, you don’t get this kind of debate on the Apprentice…

The next day, Armstrong – giving everyone an insight into what it must have been like sharing a team bus with him during his racing days – said he was leaving the show because he couldn’t work with Winter anymore, despite the actress trying to assure him that “we don’t see eye to eye on a human rights issue, that’s it.”

“Ariel, let me make this really simple: I don’t need the drama. I busted my ass for nine days, I’m gonna bust my ass on the 10th day, and I’m going to auto-select myself to leave,” Armstrong said, inadvertently mimicking the script of his now embarrassing Nike advert from back in the day.

‘I’m on Mars, busting my ass alongside C-list celebrities ten hours a day. What are you on?’

Ehhh, I’m on the live blog Lance, calm down.

Apparently there were no zipped lips gestures or comparing people to chairs, however, so at least he didn’t go the ‘full Armstrong’ of yore.

Anyway, after sleeping on it – and presumably after a quick call from Bill Stapleton, or whoever’s doing that job these days – Armstrong decided to get along with everyone, for once.

““Ariel and I just have very different styles,” he said. “I did want to leave, but, you know, maybe I’m not giving people enough credit. I mean, everybody’s different. Some people hold grudges, but I’ll stick it out.”

Almost as much drama as a day in the mountains at the Tour. Speaking of which…

19 July 2023, 15:27
Jonas Vingegaard, stage 17, 2023 Tour de France (ASO/Pauline Ballet)
They think it’s all over: Jonas Vingegaard overcomes a stalled motorbike blocking his way to seal second Tour de France win, as Felix Gall takes epic breakthrough stage victory in Alps

“I’m gone. I’m dead.”

Those were the matter of fact, if slightly haunting words that drifted over the radio as Tadej Pogačar’s hopes of winning the 2023 Tour de France ended not with a bang, but with a whimper on the Col de la Loze this afternoon.

For 15 days the Slovenian ensured that this year’s Tour continued to hang in the balance, a game of fine margins and tensions.

But, after yesterday’s shocking hammer blow in the time trial, the Slovenian – who openly voiced his hopes for horrible weather today – wilted in the stifling heat of the Alps, his eyes vacant, the lack of racing in his legs following his wrist-breaking crash at Liège–Bastogne–Liège, and perhaps the aftershocks of his crash on the Col des Saisies at the start of the day, now starkly evident as the pressures of a grand tour third week mounted.

Like Merckx, Indurain, and Riis before him, Pogačar’s yellow jersey-losing crack, before the Col de la Loze had even reached its steepest, cruellest slopes, was seismic. He will probably, barring another blow-up in the Vosges on Saturday, still finish second on GC – but the six minutes that separated him and winner-elect Jonas Vingegaard by the top of that savage runway in Courchevel may as well have been an eternity.

Jumbo-Visma, stage 17, 2023 Tour de France (A.S.O./Pauline Ballet)

(A.S.O./Pauline Ballet)

While Pogačar’s crack now appears like it was inevitable, it was also the result of some aggressive, almost Playstation cycling from Jumbo-Visma in the first half of today’s stage. The Slovenian, shirt flapping open, may have capitulated to the pressure exerted by an ambitious Ineos Grenadiers team on the final climb, but it was the constant probing, the relentless pace from the men in yellow and black that hammered the initial, crucial blows.

Vingegaard’s eventual move may also have been unsuccessful in terms of the stage win – not helped by a stalled car and motorbike on a corner blocking his progress as he began to eat into stage leader Felix Gall’s lead – but it at least confirmed that the Dane, even in cruise control, is a level above the competition, even his former shadow.

On a day when Vingegaard’s now incredibly snug yellow jersey feels like a confirmation, Felix Gall’s stage win marked the Austrian climber’s arrival on the big stage.

Just a month after his breakthrough stage win at the Tour de Suisse, the AG2R rider – catapulted into the French team’s leadership role following Ben O’Connor’s underwhelming start to the Tour – comfortably held off (after some sterling work by O’Connor on the final climb) breakaway colleague Simon Yates for an emotional win on the race’s Queen Stage, effectively sealing his top ten on GC as a bonus.

“It’s incredible. I don’t know what to say. This whole year has been incredible and now to do so well in the Tour de France and to win the Queen Stage, it’s incredible,” the 25-year-old said after the stage in an emotional interview.

The yellow jersey race may be characterised by a sense of finality this afternoon – but for Gall, today’s stage may prove just the beginning.

19 July 2023, 16:22
“Sur une autre planète”: What exactly are you getting at, Tour de France social media admin?

First L'Équipe this morning…

…Now the Tour’s own Twitter feed:

Surely that very specific metaphor – a Tour classic – couldn’t be an allusion to a certain current reality TV contestant? Surely not…

19 July 2023, 16:16
“I don’t know what happened, I came to the bottom of the climb really empty, all the food that I eat today didn’t go to my legs. A super big disappointment”

The expression and words of a defeated man…

19 July 2023, 14:53
And that’s all she wrote: Pogačar dropped by GC group halfway up Col de la Loze

It’s done. With 14km left to the finish, and over seven of the hardest kilometres of the Col de la Loze still to go, Tadej Pogačar has cracked, wilting in the heat, his yellow jersey hopes now definitively eviscerated.

Well, at least we know the answer for our morning poll now… (For the record, I said it was over before today. No, it’s true, I did!)

19 July 2023, 14:40
Jumbo-Visma and UAE Team Emirates undergo extra blood tests on team bus before Tour de France queen stage

Ah, tests… it says tests! Having followed cycling for as long as I have, your mind can play tricks on you reading that type of headline…

2023 Tour de France Jumbo-Visma (ASO/Pauline Ballet)

> Jumbo-Visma and UAE Team Emirates undergo extra blood tests on team bus before Tour de France queen stage 

19 July 2023, 14:07
Victor Lafay: The Human Bowling Pin

The winner of stage two at this year’s Tour has just signed a new, salary-enhanced contract at Cofidis – I wonder if his video editing skills were part of the negotiations?

19 July 2023, 13:56
Is the Tour over? Nobody knows…

Woah. As the riders head to the foot of the mammoth Col de la Loze, I thought I’d check in on this morning’s poll, to see whether you lot reckon this year’s Tour is still up for grabs.

And – in a rarity for the road.cc live blog poll – the votes are almost evenly split…

Live blog 19 July poll

Mind you, those numbers might be very different in 40km…

19 July 2023, 13:19
Tom Dumoulin wins 2017 Giro d'Italia (picture credit LaPresse, RCS Sport)
Tom Dumoulin says Jonas Vingegaard’s “time trial porn” was best TT in cycling history

Retired Giro d’Italia winner and world time trial champion Tom Dumoulin – one of the finest TT riders of his generation – knows a thing or two about racing against the clock.

So it says a lot that the Dutchman was so impressed by former Jumbo-Visma teammate Jonas Vingegaard’s Tour-destroying 22km yesterday afternoon, that he described it to Sporza’s cycling programme Vive le Vélo as the greatest time trial in the sport’s history.

“We witnessed the best time trial ever in cycling," Dumoulin said yesterday evening after watching an effort so impressive that the yellow jersey admitted he thought his bike computer was broken, so high were the numbers being displayed on his screen.

“First of all, because of the lead that Vingegaard takes over the rest. But I also watched his descent and his flat parts and that was real time trial porn. It was fantastic to see. He took a lot of time uphill – his power must have been incredibly high. But also, his descents and his cornering were just sublime.

“The time trial is of course a completely different discipline than what we have seen in the past two weeks. Crazy things often happen there. But no-one could have imagined that it would be a hammer blow of more than a minute and a half. Not Vingegaard, and also not Pogačar. Everyone was amazed.”

You and me both, Tom.

Jonas Vingegaard wins stage 16 of the 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Dumoulin then questioned Pogačar’s decision to swap bikes towards the end of the stage, though he believes that the Slovenian wasn’t on the type of time trial form that saw him usurp the Dutchman’s teammate Primož Roglič on La Planche des Belles Filles.

The former Tour podium finisher also believes that the technical expertise of his old Jumbo-Visma squad played a part in yesterday’s result, though it certainly wasn’t the deciding factor in one of the most dominant time trial wins in the sport’s history.

“Right now, Jumbo-Visma is the best team in the world in everything. They do everything so structured and prepare everything so well, especially on such a time trial day – Vingegaard and Van Aert’s bicycles are even made without paint in order to save 150 grams,” he said.

“I have the feeling that at UAE they are just a little less close to that perfection. All added up, that makes a difference. But to be clear, not a minute and a half. Those were mainly Vingegaard’s legs.”

19 July 2023, 12:39
Weird, wonderful (and just plain wrong) bikes and kit of the Tour de France

As today’s Queen Stage finally enters a (relatively) calm period, you now have a bit of time to check out all the interesting, innovative, and downright strange equipment choices and setups we’ve spotted at cycling’s biggest race over the years:

2023 Tour de France Weird and Wonderful

> Weird, wonderful (and just plain wrong) bikes and kit of the Tour de France 

19 July 2023, 12:01
Odd cycling graphs: Newcastle named second-most bike friendly city in the UK… a year after being named the second-most dangerous city for cycling by another survey

Here at road.cc, we often get emails from insurance companies telling us about their latest study into the best or worst places to ride your bike in the UK, ostensibly as a means of convincing you to get a quote (presumably because you’re now frightened for your life after reading their ‘stats’).

This latest email, from Kent-based insurance firm Saga, promised to explore the UK’s “most cycle-friendly cities” – and let’s just say that the results, and the methods of achieving them, are interesting…

Saga cycle friendly cities UK map

According to Saga’s research – which was based (rather mysteriously) on ‘external data’ and compiled using an odd and obscure algorithm based on a city’s cycling infra, rate of bike thefts and shops, cycling safety, bike sharing schemes, and the weather – Norwich came out on top as the UK’s most cycle-friendly city (just don’t tell them about the new Aldi or the shortcut-frequenting motorists in the city centre, eh?).

Meanwhile, despite scoring a 10 for cyclists’ safety – a pretty important metric, I’d reckon – London finished bottom of the pile, with a score of zero, for some reason.

Saga insurance cycle friendly cities chart

(Can anyone work out that table? Because I can’t, although my brain may be addled by trying to keep up with this Tour de France stage…)

To add to the confusion, Belfast – the brunt of so many jokes on this live blog for its horrendous approach to cycling infra – popped up in third place on Saga’s poll, with a score of 9.28.

And just to cap it all off, according to Saga, Newcastle is the second-most bike friendly city in the UK – just over a year after another insurance firm named the city the second-most dangerous place to ride your bike in Britain.

> Where is Britain's safest and most dangerous city for cycling? This new research (might) have some answers

Please someone, make it make sense…

19 July 2023, 11:24
The race is in bits!

It was pure madness on the Col des Saisies just now, as Jumbo-Visma completely ripped the race to shreds on the first climb of the day (either to prevent Pogačar bridging across to teammate Rafał Majka in the break, to move Sepp Kuss up the GC, or just to kill off the race once and for all – take your pick).

Their brutal acceleration on the upper slopes of the Saisies put the Ineos Grenadiers and fourth-placed Carlos Rodríguez into scramble mode, and has left riders scattered all over the Alps.

Polka dot-clad Giulio Ciccone, Julian Alaphilippe, and the impressive Krists Neilands have descended like demons to put a 20 second gap into the peloton, but the race shows no signs of settling down for the moment.

Madness, pure madness.

19 July 2023, 11:01
Not like that, Tadej: Pogačar crashes on first climb of the day

Oops. Tadej Pogačar’s attempt to mount a Lazarus (or Landis) style comeback on today’s Tour de France stage hasn’t got off to the best start, as the Slovenian crashed – uphill – on the Col des Saisies, the first big climb of the day, a classic lapse of concentration and touch of the wheels sending the white jersey to the deck.

Fortunately for the race, Pog is back up at the front now and seems fine (except for a bloodied left knee), as Jumbo-Visma’s Dylan van Baarle continues to keep the pace high in the ever dwindling main bunch, with top ten contenders Simon Yates and Felix Gall currently just up the road in a super strong breakaway.

I told you it was going to be interesting…

19 July 2023, 10:45
Now that’s what I call multi-tasking: Josh Reid finishes first at 1,400 mile Pan-Celtic Race… all while filming an epic video

Come on Jonas, it’s all well and good winning the Tour de France again, but it would be even more impressive if you filmed yourself while time trialling everyone else into oblivion, wouldn’t it?

Well, that’s exactly what Josh Reid – he of riding home from China fame – managed to pull off earlier this month, all while finishing first at the Pan-Celtic Race, the 1,425 mile self-supported ride through the Celtic heartlands of Britain, Ireland, and France, this year taking riders from the Breton port of St Malo to the finish in Llandudno.

Very cool. Now come on Vingegaard, here’s your chance to really impress us…

> Taming Mount Teide: Josh Reid travels to Tenerife for a bit of volcano bashing

19 July 2023, 10:24
“I cycle over this every day. It achieves nothing”: Is this the most useless bike marking in Britain?

As the riders amble through the neutralised zone, we’re turning our attentions away from the Tour for a bit, and back to some of the UK’s pointless cycling ‘infra’, with this fading, pitiful bike marking in Worcester certainly up there in the ‘uselessness’ GC…

19 July 2023, 09:50
POLL: Is the Tour de France over?

I have form for asking this question just as the Tour gets turned on its head, but I feel it’s worth a poll this morning, especially following Vingegaard’s utter annihilation of everyone yesterday (and the almost universal acceptance that that was that), and less than an hour before Pogačar gets his chance at some rapid-fire redemption…

SuperSurvey

19 July 2023, 09:30
So, what’s on the menu today at the Tour?

If UAE Team Emirates and Tadej Pogačar really do decide to rip the race to shreds from the gun this morning – which, let’s face it, is what all us neutrals want to see – they couldn’t have picked a better day to do it.

Because today’s route – 166km Alpine kilometres, featuring a cat two mountain, two cat ones, and a ridiculously high HC monster – is an absolute brute.

TdF 2023 S17 profile.jpeg

After 17 up and down kilometres, the riders will take on the classic combination of the Col des Saisies and Cormet de Roseland, where we could see UAE’s first ramping up of the pace.

After a bit of valley and the shorter, but still taxing, Côte de Longefoy, the riders will descend to the foot of the Col de la Loze, which at a whopping 2,304m is the ‘roof’ of this year’s Tour.

Tadej Pogačar, stage 17, 2020 Tour de France (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

Pogačar suffering on the Col de la Loze back in 2020 (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

The Col de la Loze, you may recall, was the scene of Pogačar’s brief wobble at the 2020 Tour, when he was put under pressure by a Jumbo-Visma rider who seemed destined to end up in yellow in Paris, only for it to be yanked from him on the final Saturday in the Vosges (not that I’m saying history will repeat itself, or anything…).

This time, however, the riders will tackle the climb from a different approach, through Courchevel before reaching the ski resort of Méribel via a side road.

Officially, the Col de la Loze is a fear-inducing 28.1km, with an average gradient of six percent. However, it’s the final six kilometres – which average 10 percent and includes pitches of 24 percent – which will really worry the GC contenders (as well as any sprinters struggling to make the time limit. Just ask Bryan Coquard, last on this stage in 2020, who struggled so much he believed he was actually climbing up the sheer face of the mountain. “I wondered what I was doing there,” the Frenchman said.)

TdF 2023 S17 final climb.jpeg

The pain won’t be over after the summit, however, as a rapid descent leads to the final, leg-breaking 18 percent climb to the finish at Courchevel altiport. Lovely.

It promises to be a brutal day, especially if this bad weather keeps up. And, unless the white jersey waves the white flag (UAE did make some noises after yesterday’s drubbing about targeting a Schleck-style 2-3 on the lower slopes of the podium with Pog and Adam Yates, though that could all be a ruse), we could be in for a cracker.

19 July 2023, 09:05
What was that Tadej said about rain and bad weather?

Looks like UAE Team Emirates’ rain dance paid off last night. That’s Pogačar weather, that is…

Cancel your meetings, get your earphones on, and stash the popcorn at your desk – the Tour de France may not be over after all…

19 July 2023, 08:43
Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard, stage 14, 2023 Tour de France (A.S.O./Charly Lopez)
“The Tour de France is definitely not over,” says Tadej Pogačar

Good news for anyone – including the riders and staff at UAE Team Emirates – reeling from Jonas Vingegaard’s savage pillaging of the Tour de France yesterday afternoon… Because Tadej Pogačar believes that the battle for the yellow jersey is far from over – and that’s he’s going to come out swinging today.

After a race of fine margins and incremental momentum swings, the two-time Tour winner shipped an astonishing 1.38 to the flying Dane on yesterday’s hilly 22.4km time trial course – despite finishing second himself, far ahead of the rest – on what was one of the most bewildering days in the race’s recent history.

Jonas Vingegaard wins stage 16 of the 2023 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

But, just as the obituaries for this year’s GC race were being sent to the papers, one man, and an important man at that, believes that the 2023 Tour de France is far from over.

“It’s definitely not over, especially if it is raining tomorrow and then I can promise you it’s going to be interesting,” Pogačar said after yesterday’s stage, pointing to today’s four mountain monster to Courchevel, which includes the ‘roof’ of this year’s Tour, the Col de la Loze.

“There are two more really hard stages to come, I think the two hardest of this year’s tour. Anything can happen, anyone can have a bad day, and like I said, I hope tomorrow is my day.

“We will try to make a plan. It’s not easy to gain two minutes, a little bit less, but we’ll try.”

Tadej Pogačar on the Puy de Dôme, stage nine, 2023 Tour de France (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

(Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

To be fair, if there’s anyone in professional cycling who could turn the tables following yesterday’s brutal defeat, it’s Tadej Pogačar.

Just when you thought it was all over, we could be in for a treat…

Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Awavey | 9 months ago
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I doubt the person running the TdF twitfeed account is even old enough to know who Lance Armstrong is properly, or what L'Equipes headline mirrors from 24 years ago...they probably just saw it and thought yeah thats a good phrase, seems to be popular for some reason, lets tag along with that.

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Roulereo replied to Awavey | 9 months ago
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I wonder what these 'Permanently outraged' would do without the likes of Lance Armstrong or for that matter Donald Trump or Nigel Farage ? 

Fact is, these people need a Lance Armstrong, they need a crisis like Covid or 'climate emergency' etc. Without that reason to be outraged, or to signal their virtue, what do they do ? Whatever did they do back in the day when Pronouns didn't matter ?

Oh well, off to ponder while on my ride I guess.  

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Rendel Harris replied to Roulereo | 9 months ago
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I wonder what these "sizzling gammons" would do without JSO, or BLM, or Pride? 

Fact is, these people need people trying to make the world a better and more equal place. Without that reason to be outraged and spout their hate, what do they do? Whatever did they do back in the day when such matters weren't aired and debated?

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Roulereo replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Ha, nice one.

Have you seen BLM? Pretty sure those were massive scams, even the imported version here in Bristol the organiser is up on fraud charges. The main one in the USA allowed the Executive to leech USD$10m in donations (court case in California) and another one buy a USD$6m mansion. 

Isn't JSO funded by the heiress of JP Getty Oil billionaire ? 

These are obvious scams, and anyway simply reactionary elements to the majority in the general community. But anyway the point is you need the likes of Lance Armstrong, or Trump. What else would ever you do?

This site needs them for clicks. Let's see them go a couple of weeks without either of them?

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brooksby replied to Roulereo | 9 months ago
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Roulereo wrote:

here in Bristol

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 9 months ago
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's OK, think they said they were going for a bike ride.  Presumably after encountering the excellent conditions there and world-class infra they may change their mind on some of the cycling-related trigger issues...

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Rendel Harris replied to chrisonabike | 9 months ago
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It's rather interesting that they said they were going for a bike ride, presumably "here in Bristol", in a post timed around 1 am today. Rather an odd time for a ride, although one which would make perfect sense if the rider was, for example, in California, where it would be 5 pm and just nice for a ride after work. 

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chrisonabike replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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New stage on Zwift?

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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You could both be right. 30 odd places in United States that are named after Bristol. 

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perce replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 9 months ago
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There's even a Preston in Essex, or the other way round. Or not.

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brooksby replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

It's rather interesting that they said they were going for a bike ride, presumably "here in Bristol", in a post timed around 1 am today. Rather an odd time for a ride, although one which would make perfect sense if the rider was, for example, in California, where it would be 5 pm and just nice for a ride after work. 

Oh, Ok - I missed that.  It kind of blew my mind, and I'd always assumed roulereo was in Idaho or Texas or somewhere like that...

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brooksby replied to brooksby | 9 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

It's rather interesting that they said they were going for a bike ride, presumably "here in Bristol", in a post timed around 1 am today. Rather an odd time for a ride, although one which would make perfect sense if the rider was, for example, in California, where it would be 5 pm and just nice for a ride after work. 

Oh, Ok - I missed that.  It kind of blew my mind, and I'd always assumed roulereo was in Idaho or Texas or somewhere like that...

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They said "even the imported version here in Bristol the organiser is up on fraud charges" and the BBC says "Bristol Black Lives Matter march organiser denies fraud" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-64150722

I think my  was probably right the first time...

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 9 months ago
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Don't worry, it might just be another Nige persona.  Essex is a long way away (and even further to a bicycle shop in NL IIRC...)

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP replied to Roulereo | 9 months ago
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Farage and Trump are liars and grifters. It's evident. Yet for some reason there are people who still believe these super rich, privately educated, privileged people actually give a monkeys about the 'working man'. Trump 'cares' because he makes money from his cult folllowers. Farage needs ignorance on a mass scale for his hate to get any traction. 

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Roulereo replied to BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 9 months ago
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I guess so, you've convinced me the world's so much better now these two aren't in power. 

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muhasib | 9 months ago
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Presumably there is some logic to the scores in the Saga table but there's really only one thing to say when you get to the end column:

That's numberwang!!

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Steve K replied to muhasib | 9 months ago
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muhasib wrote:

Presumably there is some logic to the scores in the Saga table but there's really only one thing to say when you get to the end column: That's numberwang!!

My assumption is that the last column is a relative score.  So the best city was always going to score 10, and the worst 0, and then the others are on a scale between those.

Or, as you say, that's numberwang.

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Simon E | 9 months ago
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I'm not in the least bit surprised to see that Armstrong has apparently learnt nothing from the last 11 years and is still acting like a jumped up über-arsehole.

It seems that some things never change.

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brooksby | 9 months ago
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Hey, everybody, so how's the weather where you are? yes

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HoldingOn replied to brooksby | 9 months ago
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Been miserable, but I think I can see a rainbow....

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perce replied to brooksby | 9 months ago
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Very nice thankyou, although I think me and the met office are divided on the word ''breezy''

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Patrick9-32 | 9 months ago
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The full gamut of Armstrong related human emotions coming out in the Road.cc comments section. 

 

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Owd Big 'Ead | 9 months ago
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Fuck off Lance!

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chrisonabike | 9 months ago
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{armstrong}

And here's a cyclist jumping a shark.  (Actually not fair to Armstrong - he's just continuing on in the same manner as before.)

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spen | 9 months ago
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I wonder how many races with a trans category would have more than 1 entrant?

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Sam Walker | 9 months ago
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"Well, you don’t get this kind of debate on the Apprentice…"

#NoDebate. (Speaking of plugs.)

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Troon | 9 months ago
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the article wrote:

the actress

Keep up…

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Car Delenda Est | 9 months ago
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It seems that the anti-trans position is that there are physiological differences between people that confer an 'unfair' disadvantage, and forcing people to compete against someone with an advantage is 'insulting' or 'hateful', so we should be segregating people based on physiology.

So should we take this idea further and segregate based on any statistically advantageous physiological differences?
Statistically dark skinned people do better at running and light skinned people do better at swimming, would racial segregation in sports be fairer? /s
Is forcing light skinned runners to compete against dark skinned runners insulting or hateful? /s

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hawkinspeter replied to Car Delenda Est | 9 months ago
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Car Delenda Est wrote:

It seems that the anti-trans position is that there are physiological differences between people that confer an 'unfair' disadvantage, and forcing people to compete against someone with an advantage is 'insulting', so we should be segregating people based on physiology. So should we take this idea further and segregate based on any advantageous physiological differences? Statistically dark skinned people do better at running and light skinned people do better at swimming, would racial segregation in sports be fairer? Is forcing light skinned runners to compete against dark skinned runners insulting?

Is that a contender for most stupid comment of the day?

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Car Delenda Est replied to hawkinspeter | 9 months ago
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Instead of reaching straight for the ad hominem you could just say "I have no counter argument", the end result is all the same anyway though.

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