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Swindon road rage assault (screenshot via Ady Short vid)
Swindon road rage assault (screenshot via Ady Short vid) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

“Complete incompetence”: Reaction to police statement defending caution handed to road rage assault driver; Josh Quigley smashes day one of cycling distance record attempt; Tour de France film; Richmond Park crash driver fined + more on the live blog

Dan Alexander is the man behind the Tuesday live blog keeping you up to date with anything and everything in the world of cycling
  • by Dan Alexander
Tue, Sep 14, 2021 08:04
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SUMMARY

  • "Complete incompetence": Reaction to police statement defending caution handed to road rage assault driver
  • The pro cycling story of the weekend...
  • Josh Quigley smashes day one of cycling distance record attempt
  • Another epic cycling endurance achievement...'The Amazing Chase'
  • Driver involved in shocking Richmond Park crash which left cyclist in hospital handed a fine and six penalty points
  • Surrey traffic cops doing what they do best...schooling ignorant drivers on road safety
  • British Cycling announces strong squad for UCI Road World Cycling Championships in Flanders
  • James Shaw earns another crack at the WorldTour, according to Dutch media reports
  • Raudax?
  • Cheer yourselves up on a grey Tuesday...Have I Got News For You uses Xander Graham to take a pop at Piers Morgan
  • Levenshulme LTN filters to be made permanent
  • A reader comment that sums the situation up nicely...
Swindon road rage assault (screenshot via Ady Short vid)
Swindon road rage assault (screenshot via Ady Short vid) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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14 September 2021, 08:04

"Complete incompetence": Reaction to police statement defending caution handed to road rage assault driver

Good to know for the next time anyone wants to assault someone. Just admit it and only give them a black eye and it’s completely fine 👍 https://t.co/mJVZatdfB9

— Steve 🇵🇸 (@Lollercake) September 13, 2021

Some of you might have seen that Wiltshire Police got back to us last night with a statement on the video of a driver punching a Swindon Wheelers member and knocking another to the ground with their car. The driver was handed a caution…which the police force said was in line with national policy.

The reaction has continued to roll in, with many even more bewildered by the case having heard Wiltshire Police’s official line. Chris on Twitter questioned the “no injury” claim: “A black eye isn’t ‘no injury’, even ignoring all the other offences committed (as @wiltshirepolice appear to be).”

Dee McCrossan compared placed the driver’s actions in a different context and questioned if the outcome would have been the same…”Crazy. If someone throws hands like this outside pubs/clubs they get charged with assault…Not to mention the assault with a vehicle on his partner…beyond words.”

The classic…. motorist objects to being held up by cyclists, so aggressively passes…. But then slows down to dick about and prolong their delay. Can’t be in that much of a rush then.

— Duncan Shea-Simonds (@DSS123) September 13, 2021

A black eye = no injury? Since when?

— Ian (@iloveridge) September 13, 2021

That’s just complete incompetence from @wiltshirepolice

— Andrew Buss (@ambuss) September 13, 2021

That is exactly the outcome I would expect had that been a police officer repeatedly assaulted and another officer run over. Exactly this outcome.

— Makecyclingsafeagain (@Makecyclingsafe) September 13, 2021

14 September 2021, 08:04

The pro cycling story of the weekend...

Just heard myself and @nedboulting on @BBCRadio1Offici commentating on that small clip of Xander attacking on the pavement at the @TourofBritain … my son got a shock in the car.. “Daddy is that you on the radio” 🤣🤣

— Adam Blythe (@AdamBlythe89) September 14, 2021

You can keep your qualifier US Open win without dropping a set. Has Emma Radacanu ever attacked the breakaway at the Tour of Britain? Didn’t think so. Only joking of course…what odds on Xander Graham to win the Tour by 18? Finish your exams and get out to France, lad…

14 September 2021, 08:04

Josh Quigley smashes day one of cycling distance record attempt

DAY 1 STATS: 352 MILES / 352 MILES TOTAL / 16% OF RECORD

7 DAY CYCLING DISTANCE WORLD RECORD ATTEMPT 🚴🏻‍♂️🥇

GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS: “GREATEST DISTANCE CYCLED IN ONE WEEK – UNPACED” 🏆🌍

Sponsor: @Thomas_Franks_

What a start 😎! Bike, rider and weather in perfect harmony. pic.twitter.com/G7OuJNJby3

— Josh Quigley (@JoshQuigley2026) September 14, 2021

Josh Quigley’s latest record attempt is up and running…the ultra-endurance cyclist is having a second crack at the seven-day cycling distance world record. He unfortunately had to pull out of the first attempt back in April after succumbing to some nasty knee pain. 

Yesterday was day one of the effort, which he’ll be riding entirely on the same circuit in Aberdeenshire. Josh racked up 352 miles on the opening day. To 99.9 per cent of us that would be an all-time big day out. Now try six more days back-to-back… 

We’ll all be hoping Josh can finally get some good luck out on the road. His 2019 round-the-world attempt ended when he was seriously injured by a driver in Texas. On the same trip his bike was stolen…and he was fined for riding through Bedford town centre. Someone needs to stop smashing mirrors…

14 September 2021, 08:04

Another epic cycling endurance achievement...'The Amazing Chase'

Following in Lachlan Morton’s tyre tracks, Jack Thompson successfully beat the Tour de France to Paris back in July having given those lazy pros a week’s head start. In a lovely piece of timing, Thompson is also the current holder of the seven-day distance record Josh Quigley’s out to beat this week…

Wahoo Fitness were the official supporters of the Tour challenge and filmed this cracking short documentary following his progress.

14 September 2021, 08:04

Driver involved in shocking Richmond Park crash which left cyclist in hospital handed a fine and six penalty points

On 10/09/21 at Lavender Hill Magistrates Court, the driver of this Nissan pleaded guilty to driving without due care & attention. He was order to pay costs of £100, fined £150, to pay victim surcharge of £34 and given 6 penalty points on his driving license. pic.twitter.com/mJVAAdnDYt

— Royal Parks Police (@MPSRoyal_Parks) September 14, 2021

Back in February we shared the story and subsequent calls to ban motor traffic from Richmond Park after a crash saw a cyclist taken to hospital with facial injuries. At the time questions were asked about how such severe damage could have happened in a 20mph zone?

Royal Parks Police confirmed the driver appeared at Lavender Hill Magistrates’ Court and pleaded guilty to driving without due care and attention. He was ordered to pay a £150 fine, costs of £100 and a victim surcharge of £34. He also received six penalty points on his licence.

Royal Parks Police said the entire incident was caught on the driver’s dash cam and the force’s Twitter account gave more details on the incident: “The driver failed to see a cyclist as he pulled out of the junction with Ham Cross, with the cyclist hitting the side of the car. After the collision, the driver has mistakenly hit his accelerator instead of the brake.

“This caused him to pull away at speed down into Ham Dip, where he then collided with solid metal barriers, narrowly missing the trees. The driver was believed to have been doing about 5mph at the time of the collision with the cyclist.”

14 September 2021, 08:04

Surrey traffic cops doing what they do best...schooling ignorant drivers on road safety

It’s the @PoliceChiefs Vulnerable Road Users awareness week.

102 cyclists died and 3,700 were seriously injured on UK roads in 2019

Motorists inability to overtaking safely is a common issue we deal with.

This video demonstrates how it’s safely and legally.

Look, Plan, Pass. pic.twitter.com/wojliHTaz0

— Roads Policing Unit (RPU) – Surrey Police – UK (@SurreyRoadCops) September 14, 2021

In amongst all the criticism for Wiltshire Police’s response there’s been some good educational policing going on. Surrey Roads Policing Unit, as usual, has lead the way on informing motorists online about safe pass practice.

Operation Dragoon, Northumbria Police’s road safety op has also been at it…

It’s also @PoliceChiefs Vulnerable Road Users awareness week. Raising awareness of at risk road users. Cyclists are today’s focus. In 2019 102 cyclists died on the UK roads, with 3,700 seriously injured.
Overtaking safely is a common complaint we receive. This is how it’s done. pic.twitter.com/ehsOYY3hjn

— Operation Dragoon (@OpDragoon) September 13, 2021

This second video attracted plenty of praise…but also the usual anti-cycling sentiment. Thankfully, the Surrey Police admin was on hand to do what they do best…

You’re significantly more likely to suffer a head injury by being a driver in a motor vehicle. Do you wear a helmet when you drive?

The majority of Cycle lanes are not fit for purpose…forcing vulnerable cyclists into the drains, potholes and debris. No requirement to use them.

— Roads Policing Unit (RPU) – Surrey Police – UK (@SurreyRoadCops) September 14, 2021

14 September 2021, 08:04

British Cycling announces strong squad for UCI Road World Cycling Championships in Flanders

British Cycling GB Flanders 2021 (British Cycling)
British Cycling GB Flanders 2021 (British Cycling) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
British Cycling GB Flanders 2021 (British Cycling)
British Cycling GB Flanders 2021 (British Cycling) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

British Cycling has announced the squad of 30 elite, under-23 and junior riders who will travel to Flanders for next week’s UCI Road World Championships. Lizzie Deignan is joined by Anna Shackley, Alice Barnes, Anna Henderson, Pfeiffer Georgi and Joss Lowden for the women’s road race. Georgi and Lowden will also do the time trial.

Maddie Leech, Millie Couzens, Flora Perkins and Zoe Bäckstedt have been selected for the junior women’s road race. Dan Bigham, Alex Dowsett, John Archibald, Joss Lowden, Alice Barnes and Anna Henderson will all take to the start ramp for the strong-looking mixed team time trial squad.

On the men’s side of things Tom Pidcock, Ethan Hayter, Ben Swift and Mark Cavendish are just four of the cards GB can play. The hilly course will likely be too tough for Cav, but the Manxman can play a support role alongside Connor Swift, Jake Stewart, Fred Wright and Luke Rowe. What a team.

Hayter is following up his Tour of Britain second place by also taking on the time trial, along with Dan Bigham.

Performance director Stephen Park told the BBC: “The Road World Championships are a key feature for the Great Britain Cycling Team’s road squad and it will be great to see the likes of Mark [Cavendish] and Lizzie [Deignan] bring their form and experience into a team keen to do the jersey proud and bring back medals.

“It will be interesting to see how the elite men’s road race plays out, too – based on what we know about the course and with so many riders in top form, we’ve made the decision not to go with one team leader, giving us a number of options as the race plays out.”

14 September 2021, 08:04

James Shaw earns another crack at the WorldTour, according to Dutch media reports

 
 
 
 
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James Shaw may well have finished in the top ten at the Tour of Britain without the stage three team time trial. Regardless, the 26-year-old has earned another shot at the WorldTour and will be riding for EF Education-Nippo next year, according to Wielerflits.

Shaw finished fifth on the brutal Pennines stage to Gateshead and has consistently impressed at Continental level since perhaps unfairly losing his World Tour spot with Lotto-Soudal at the end of 2018.

He was fifth at the Tour of Norway and Tour of Slovenia this year and finished in the top five of stages at both races.

14 September 2021, 08:04

Raudax?

Raudax Rapha fakes
Raudax Rapha fakes (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Raudax Rapha fakes
Raudax Rapha fakes (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Right…I’d wager 90 per cent of riders wouldn’t even notice it says Raudax not Rapha…I’m just surprised these weren’t in the Aldi Specialbuys we saw yesterday.

14 September 2021, 08:04

Cheer yourselves up on a grey Tuesday...Have I Got News For You uses Xander Graham to take a pop at Piers Morgan

After a schoolboy cyclist manages to outpace pro riders at the Tour of Britain, experts say he must have received coaching from Piers Morgan.

— Have I Got News For You (@haveigotnews) September 14, 2021

 

14 September 2021, 08:04

Levenshulme LTN filters to be made permanent

Levenshulme LTN (via Councillor Angeliki Stogia on Twitter)
Levenshulme LTN (via Councillor Angeliki Stogia on Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Levenshulme LTN (via Councillor Angeliki Stogia on Twitter)
Levenshulme LTN (via Councillor Angeliki Stogia on Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Manchester City Council has announced 14 LTN filters in Levenshulme are to be made permanent. You might remember back in January when vandals filmed themselves ramming the planters off the road. The community rallied to repair the damage and Chris Boardman said vandals wouldn’t intimidate the cause.

The 14 that remain survived the initial consultation, which saw 11 removed last year following feedback from locals. Phase 2 of the trial was successful and the council says it will look for additional locations to support the existing ones, as well as other traffic calming measures across Levenshulme and Burnage.

Good news.
Engagement was lengthy but arguably the right thing to do.
Bring on elsewhere please – we need to balance needs of all people & improve our environment.

— Make a Beeline to Chorlton (@aroundM21) September 14, 2021

14 September 2021, 08:04

A reader comment that sums the situation up nicely...

Road rage has appalling traits and is never a good look. How many seconds did waiting to pass safely cost him? Hardly any but his reaction cost time! Glad the headcam proved a deterrent when he spotted it. The assault is a crime but so was his driving, putting other lives at risk

— Andy Cox (@AndyCoxDCS) September 12, 2021

Top marks to nniff for succinctly capturing the mood: “I think that the reason that so many of us are very dissatisfied with this is that I most of us have encountered comparable behaviour; perhaps not the direct physical contact, but certainly the verbal aggression and use of a vehicle to intimidate and threaten.”

We’ve just recorded the next episode of the road.cc podcast, so keep an eye (and ear) out for that if you want to hear us rambling about the video (spoiler alert: there’s also an interview with Andy Cox, whose comment above we featured yesterday)…

14 September 2021, 08:04

Near Miss of the Day 636: Van driver overtakes one cyclist, almost hits two others head-on

Near Miss of the Day 636: Van driver overtakes one cyclist, almost hits two others head-on

Our regular series featuring close passes from around the country - today it's Lancashire

14 September 2021, 08:04

Mark Cavendish reportedly offered one-year contract extension by Deceuninck-Quick-Step

Mark Cavendish reportedly offered one-year contract extension by Deceuninck-Quick-Step

Financial terms and Tour de France participation are said to remain stumbling blocks

14 September 2021, 08:04

Driver steals cyclist’s phone after knocking her from bike – police attending say they shouldn’t have been called

Driver steals cyclist’s phone after knocking her from bike – police attending say they shouldn’t have been called

Officers said rider, who was injured in North Yorkshire incident, should simply have exchanged details with motorist

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48 thoughts on ““Complete incompetence”: Reaction to police statement defending caution handed to road rage assault driver; Josh Quigley smashes day one of cycling distance record attempt; Tour de France film; Richmond Park crash driver fined + more on the live blog”

  1. kenyond
    September 14, 2021 at 8:40 am
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    If we all complain to the
    If we all complain to the IPCC then they should look in to it and maybe make them press harder chargers because a caution is crazy!

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    • IanMK
      September 14, 2021 at 10:32 am
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      I’m not sure why the Police

      I’m not sure why the Police have ignored the driving offences*. Even if they’ve closed the assault case they can surely pursue these.

      * I think I know why they’ve ignored the driving offences but I’m happy to give them benefit of doubt.

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  2. eburtthebike
    September 14, 2021 at 8:58 am
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    Completely incompetent or

    Completely incompetent or corrupt?

    I wonder if they would have issued a caution to a cyclist who punched a driver through the car window?

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    • nikkispoke
      September 14, 2021 at 9:53 am
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      I suspect your statement is

      I suspect your statement is very valid and could evidence unconcious bias in the system so if a cyclist either hits the motorist and causes an injury (black eye) or if they hit the car creating damage, or not, what would be the consequences and do they lead to harsher sentences ? Here it is aggrevated as the motorist starts the incident by waiting for the group to catch up before seeking an arguement and then becoming violent. I suspect a higher sentence is warranted (to show equality with other similar types of crime), though a caution does give the person a criminal record. I hope all the victims take the person to court for civil damages, if only to allow his seconds of rage to last as years of penance and payment with court proceedings and higher insurance costs.

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      • Carior
        September 14, 2021 at 12:00 pm
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        Well also – aggravated

        Well also – aggravated assault is not common assault – so they’re also wrong considering this as a common assault in the first place.

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  3. nniff
    September 14, 2021 at 9:15 am
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    I think that the reason that

    I think that the reason that so many of us are very dissatisfied with this is that I most of us have encountered comparable behaviour; perhaps not the direct physical contact, but certainly the verbal aggression and use of a vehicle to intimidate and threaten.

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    • the little onion
      September 14, 2021 at 10:36 am
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      And to add – many of us have

      And to add – many of us have also had insult added to injury (literally) by the police failing to respond adequately to obvious incidence of gross incompetence or acts of violence by other road users.

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  4. Awavey
    September 14, 2021 at 10:43 am
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    Maybe it’s not worth worrying
    Maybe it’s not worth worrying about as it ended in a fine,points,big repair bill, increased insurance premiums and most importantly no one was seriously hurt. But that explanation the parks police have provided, really doesnt make a whole heap of sense to me.

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    • mdavidford
      September 14, 2021 at 11:03 am
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      Awavey wrote:

      …big repair bill…

      — Awavey

      Er, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that that’s a bit beyond repair.

      To be honest, I’m astounded that the driver was in any state to make any plea or pay any fines.

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      • Captain Badger
        September 14, 2021 at 11:09 am
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        mdavidford wrote:

        …big repair bill…

        — mdavidford

        Er, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that that’s a bit beyond repair.— Awavey

        Nonsense, lick o’ paint and a new rad and will be right as ninepence.

        I’ve got this mate, works in a body shop, but does a bit of freelance. If you pay him up front, he won’t charge VAT. Tell him I sent you…….

        Joking aside, 5mph to that? I’m coming to the conclusion that the rozzers aren’t just corrupt, or lazy. They are facking monumentally, institutionally dim. I’d be ashamed to try and fob anyone off with that kind of statement as it’s so patently wrong. 

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        • Hirsute
          September 14, 2021 at 11:30 am
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          It was 5mph in hitting the

          It was 5mph in colliding with the cyclist.

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          • Captain Badger
            September 14, 2021 at 12:45 pm
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            hirsute wrote:

            It was 5mph in colliding with the cyclist.

            — hirsute

            Yes, but then colided with barriers after jaming their foot on the accelerator “mistaking it for teh brake”…..

    • Hirsute
      September 14, 2021 at 11:04 am
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      If they can tell us it was

      If they can tell us it was 5mph on hitting the cyclist I’m sure they can tell us the impact speed on writing off the car.

      Compulsory retest in those circumstances.

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      • brooksby
        September 14, 2021 at 11:28 am
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        hirsute wrote:

        If they can tell us it was 5mph on hitting the cyclist I’m sure they can tell us the impact speed on writing off the car.

        Compulsory retest in those circumstances.

        — hirsute

        Clearly that car had some pretty f-ing amazing acceleration! 

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        • Awavey
          September 14, 2021 at 11:58 am
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          IIRC, ok I checked the old
          IIRC, ok I checked the old article,but it was a Nissan Leaf,so electric motor type acceleration.

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          • Doctor Darabuka
            September 14, 2021 at 1:52 pm
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            If I was the driver, or the

            If I was the driver, or the cyclist, there’s a strong possibility that I would have lost confidence in the Nissan Leaf’s AEB – Automatic Emergency Braking system.

          • aegisdesign
            September 14, 2021 at 6:52 pm
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            So it presumably has Nissan’s
            So it presumably has Nissan’s single e-pedal system where the brake pedal and accelerator are combined. I’ve not driven one but this doesn’t seem to square with the explanation that the driver mistakenly hit the wrong pedal.

          • HoarseMann
            September 14, 2021 at 7:38 pm
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            aegisdesign wrote:

            So it presumably has Nissan’s single e-pedal system where the brake pedal and accelerator are combined. I’ve not driven one but this doesn’t seem to square with the explanation that the driver mistakenly hit the wrong pedal.

            — aegisdesign

            All the e-pedal does is provide a function like strong engine braking. You just take your foot off the accelerator pedal and it will slow to a complete halt (no creeping like an auto). There is still a brake pedal and you still need to use it to stop quickly.

            This vehicle will also have AEB emergency braking, which includes cyclist detection using the camera and radar. However, the camera and radar both point forward and the angles might have meant the cyclist was out of the field of view. Also, the AEB system for cyclists/peds is only active at speeds above 10kph and below 40kph. I suspect if you floor the accelerator, it will override any emergency braking anyway (it tends to do for speed limiters and cruise control).

        • Captain Badger
          September 14, 2021 at 12:46 pm
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          brooksby wrote:

           

          Clearly that car had some pretty f-ing amazing acceleration! 

          — brooksby

          The speed required for that level of damage would have been pretty phenomenal. Lets assume:

          • Speed at collision with bike 5mph (2.2m/s)
          • 35mph at point of impact. (15.6m/s) *
          • Acceleration 0-60 = 10s, or 2.7ms-2 *
          • Acceleration  is linear 
          • I’m not accounting for it being downhill.

          that would mean that the driver must have had their foot pressed to the metal for over 5 seconds after a collision, and would have been careening out of control for about 45m

          Are there really no collision investigators in the police?

          I think that the twunt was already speeding, and the rider was lucky to get away with the injuries they did. And that the police prioritised a nice cuppa over a proper investigation.

          *Assumption detail break down

          • 35mph at point of impact. (15.6m/s) ( just to make it easy , but looking at the damage that might be an understatement…)
          • Acceleration 0-60 = 10s, or 2.7ms-2 (hard to say the model but assume a juke, but this is relatively fast. The micra is about 16s. In addition,  top acceleration would be unlikely. Slower acceleration makes this situation look even worse for the driver)

           

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          • AlsoSomniloquism
            September 14, 2021 at 1:02 pm
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            As someone pointed out, it

            As someone pointed out, it was a Nissan Leaf, so 0-60 in 7.8 seconds. Remember when that used to be high performance car speeds? It is another reason why Leccy cars need to be looked at closely because they perform so differently. Tesla for example decide to sell their car on 2 seconds 0-60 if you buy the optional extra Ludricous boost. Ludricous for the Governing authorities to allow that option on the road. 

          • Captain Badger
            September 14, 2021 at 1:34 pm
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            AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

            As someone pointed out, it was a Nissan Leaf, so 0-60 in 7.8 seconds. Remember when that used to be high performance car speeds? It is another reason why Leccy cars need to be looked at closely because they perform so differently. Tesla for example decide to sell their car on 2 seconds 0-60 if you buy the optional extra Ludricous boost. Ludricous for the Governing authorities to allow that option on the road. 

            — AlsoSomniloquism

            My brain is too frazzled to do the calcs again, but yes, facking ridiculous that a car is designed to allow this outcome

          • HoarseMann
            September 14, 2021 at 1:27 pm
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            Captain Badger wrote:

            there really no collision investigators in the police?

            — Captain Badger

            Not required in this case as the whole thing was captured on the drivers dashcam. It would be pretty evident from that – may have even had a GPS speed logged on it. It’s a shame they’ve not published the video.

            I’m astounded that they’ve been handed their licence back and the fine seems really low. Getting the brake and accelerator mixed up is not a mitigation, it’s a massive red flag that you should stop driving!

          • Captain Badger
            September 14, 2021 at 1:41 pm
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            HoarseMann wrote:

            there really no collision investigators in the police?

            — HoarseMann

            Not required in this case as the whole thing was captured on the drivers dashcam. It would be pretty evident from that – may have even had a GPS speed logged on it. It’s a shame they’ve not published the video.

            I’m astounded that they’ve been handed their licence back and the fine seems really low. Getting the brake and accelerator mixed up is not a mitigation, it’s a massive red flag that you should stop driving!

            — Captain Badger

            I’d say that dashcam footage is one strand of evidence at investigators’ disposal. Investigation and summary is still required.

            Agree with you on the judgement. What was the point?

             

    • AlsoSomniloquism
      September 14, 2021 at 11:31 am
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      Maybe Ren or other regular

      Maybe Ren or other regular park users can confirm on what metal barriers he hit as none are showing on Streetview as of August 2020. But the Police explanation of “pulling out of the junction with Ham Cross” makes me think it was this one and if it was, the car ended up next to the tree / pond on the left so not far to do that amount of damage or building up speed to do it. And if he did, those barriers are not exactly safe then. 

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      • Jogle
        September 14, 2021 at 11:55 am
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        AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

        Maybe Ren or other regular park users can confirm on what metal barriers he hit as none are showing on Streetview as of August 2020. But the Police explanation of “pulling out of the junction with Ham Cross” makes me think it was this one and if it was, the car ended up next to the tree / pond on the left so not far to do that amount of damage or building up speed to do it. And if he did, those barriers are not exactly safe then. 

        — AlsoSomniloquism

        I’m guessing that it’s these railings Queen’s Rd
        https://maps.app.goo.gl/adcn4VMg3XF4yvBy5

        There are a couple of photos in the original police Twitter post with railings that look like them https://mobile.twitter.com/MPSRoyal_Parks/status/1362347460845318147?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1362347460845318147%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Froad.cc%2Fcontent%2Fnews%2Fcycling-live-blog-18-february-2021-281009

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        • AlsoSomniloquism
          September 14, 2021 at 12:56 pm
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          WTF, that is a long way to be

          WTF, that is a long way to be careening out of control at 30-40mph. Just dumb luck no other person was in the road at the time. 

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    • iandusud
      September 14, 2021 at 5:52 pm
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      Should someone who doesn’t

      Should someone who doesn’t know which pedal is the accelerator and which is the brake be allowed to drive?

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  5. Carior
    September 14, 2021 at 11:58 am
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    Sorry but a black eye isn’t

    Sorry but a black eye isn’t “common assault” its ABH.  So that’s problem one.

    Problem two – this clearly isn’t common assault – there’s a strong argument for aggravated assault.  That requires the person to have intended to cause serious harm.  Well, close passing, brake checking, leaning out of a moving vehicle and repeatedly attacking someone and pulling them off their bike would suggest that, at the very least, there’s a potential case to answer – even though a jury would no doubt conclude that even if he fully intended to cause harm, those pesky cyclists deserved it so it’s fine.

    Honestly, they really need to put the spade away.

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    • eburtthebike
      September 14, 2021 at 12:18 pm
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      With all those contributing

      With all those contributing factors, this looks more and more like corruption rather than incompetence; no police force could be that incompetent surely?

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      • Secret_squirrel
        September 14, 2021 at 12:24 pm
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        Occams razor applies. 

        Occams razor applies.  Officer made poor on the spot decision but his management have to be seen to be supporting him.  (if it was a him).

        I’m betting there’s a senior rozzer wishing for a time machine right now. Or one wishing those pesky woke cyclists will go away.  50/50 either way.

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        • eburtthebike
          September 14, 2021 at 5:25 pm
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          Secret_squirrel wrote:

          Or one wishing those pesky woke cyclists will go away.  50/50 either way.

          — Secret_squirrelI’m still trying to work out what “woke” means, and no-one I’ve asked seems to be able to define it.

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          • Nigel Garrage
            September 14, 2021 at 5:46 pm
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            That’s because it’s a loaded
            That’s because it’s a loaded term depending on who is saying it.

            If it’s one of its proponents it would mean something like “aware of injustice and racism in society”.

            If it’s a detractor it would mean something like “a person who uses identity politics and anti-white rhetoric to divide and antagonise society”.

          • TheBillder
            September 14, 2021 at 6:15 pm
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            I think it was supposed to
            I think it was supposed to mean “not asleep” and hence aware.

            But its primary use now seems to be to identify the speaker as someone who thinks that currently society is actually perfectly fair and everyone who says it isn’t is either a failure, a class warrior, an activist on the make, or someone out to destroy our basic freedoms to pollute and exploit as we see fit.

          • Philh68
            September 14, 2021 at 10:35 pm
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            That’s always the way, the

            That’s always the way, the people too dim to understand its proper meaning have to turn it into a perjorative.

    • Secret_squirrel
      September 14, 2021 at 12:26 pm
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      I was going to quibble and

      I was going to quibble and say it was only a bruise – but googled instead 😀

      Definition – from a Solictors, not the rozzer’s – so bear in mind its probably the “textbook” answer. https://www.afglaw.co.uk/common-assault-abh-and-gbh/

      What is actual bodily harm (ABH)?

      Actual bodily harm occurs when harm is caused to a victim’s body. The harm doesn’t have to be serious, but it does need to be more significant than a slap or shove. Bruises or scratches as evidence would qualify as ABH.

      ABH contains more intention to use unlawful force. The offender only needs to use unlawful force, even if they do not intend to do harm, for the offence to be classed as ABH. For example, if someone is pushed and they fall and bruise their arm, this is ABH as the offender’s intent was to use unlawful force rather than cause injury.

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      • Carior
        September 14, 2021 at 3:06 pm
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        Secret_squirrel wrote:

        I was going to quibble and say it was only a bruise – but googled instead 😀

        Definition – from a Solictors, not the rozzer’s – so bear in mind its probably the “textbook” answer. https://www.afglaw.co.uk/common-assault-abh-and-gbh/

        What is actual bodily harm (ABH)?

        Actual bodily harm occurs when harm is caused to a victim’s body. The harm doesn’t have to be serious, but it does need to be more significant than a slap or shove. Bruises or scratches as evidence would qualify as ABH.

        ABH contains more intention to use unlawful force. The offender only needs to use unlawful force, even if they do not intend to do harm, for the offence to be classed as ABH. For example, if someone is pushed and they fall and bruise their arm, this is ABH as the offender’s intent was to use unlawful force rather than cause injury.

        — Secret_squirrel

        I remember having the same quibble when I was a law student 11 years ago! Bruising = ABH, once you break the skin (or a bone) its GBH (or for broken skin technically wounding which is GBH’s conjoined twin that no-one recognises the difference).

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    • RichT84
      September 14, 2021 at 5:46 pm
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      Problem one: whilst this
      Problem one: whilst this meets the legal textbook definition of ABH police forces are led by CPS charging standards. These state that minor bruising/reddening is treated as a common assault level offence, a black eye would equate to this.

      Problem two: Aggravated assault doesn’t exist as an offence. If you are talking about Attempt GBH then he would probably have needed to plough the car in to him with the clear intention of seriously injuring him.

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  6. eburtthebike
    September 14, 2021 at 12:15 pm
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    Would you wonderful people at

    Would you wonderful people at road.cc like to ask Surrey Police what they think about Wiltshire, both the incident and the Wiltshire police?

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  7. Surreyrider
    September 14, 2021 at 12:50 pm
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    I’ve asked Wiltshire’s Police

    I’ve asked Wiltshire’s Police and Crime Commissioner for an explanation of why no charges have been brought. I’ll post the response on Road CC (if I get one) but I suggest everyone commenting here does the same. 

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    • bobbinogs
      September 14, 2021 at 4:23 pm
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      Yepp, me too.  Rather be the

      Yepp, me too.  Rather than be the old bloke shouting into the wind I thought I would do something productive and ping a comment over to the PCC…had to check it a few times to make sure I wasn’t the one on the end of a prosecution 

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  8. bobinski
    September 14, 2021 at 1:26 pm
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    CPS guidance on administering

    CPS guidance on administering a caution:

    Views of the Victim

    Before a simple caution (or a Conditional Caution is given) it is important to establish where appropriate and possible what the victim’s views about the offence are and the proposed method of disposal. It will be important to consider the nature and extent of the harm caused and whether any form of compensation could be paid. If so, a Conditional Caution might be preferable to a simple caution.

    Victims’ views although important cannot be the deciding factor. That decision must be made by the decision maker in the light of all the circumstances of the case.

     

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  9. Awavey
    September 14, 2021 at 1:42 pm
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    Is that really a good team GB
    Is that really a good team GB have picked for the worlds ? Barring the juniors/u23 as they always spring a random result, I cant believe they are really expecting any medals.

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    • Zazz53
      September 14, 2021 at 2:39 pm
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      Check out the results from

      Check out the results from the Junior European Track Champs a few weeks ago – if the GB team win anything I don’t think it will be random!  Confession – Flora Perkins beasted  me up Tourmalet when she was 13 ?

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      • Awavey
        September 14, 2021 at 3:23 pm
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        Maybe not random then,just
        Maybe not random then,just very hard to predict,and then there doesnt seem to be this natural progression through for them in the following years.

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  10. Dicklexic
    September 14, 2021 at 1:46 pm
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    Once again Surrey Roads

    Once again Surrey Roads Policing Unit showing how it should be done. Derbyshire Roads Policing Unit however have some way to go to catch up. Anyone else feel this particular post is a bit ‘victim shamey’?

    https://twitter.com/DerbyshireRPU/status/1437400544398675970?s=20

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      September 14, 2021 at 2:16 pm
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      Wow. Compare and contrast the

      Wow. Compare and contrast the response from Surrey on someone advocating all cyclists should wear Hi-Viz. 

      Also the famous “cycling friendly ” WMP one has decided old car drivers are vulnerable road users according to their poster.

      https://twitter.com/Trafficwmp/status/1437745089665802242

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  11. brooksby
    September 14, 2021 at 3:05 pm
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    So was Xander Graham that kid

    So was Xander Graham that kid in the skinsuit and aero helmet hammering it along the pavement while the race leaders were going past?  Who got passed a bidon by the leader?

    I thought that was brilliant 😀

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      September 14, 2021 at 4:11 pm
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      Yes it was. The reply tweet

      Yes it was. The reply tweet to HIGNFY was the best though

      “He’s white and male, I doubt Piers has the remotest interest in suggesting he does things differently.”

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Wimbledon parking chaos, Ant McPartlin’s Lime bike rage, free Santander Sunday rides + more
Wimbledon parking chaos, Ant McPartlin’s Lime bike rage, free Santander Sunday rides + more
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Is this the electric cargo bike of the future, now? A first ride on the Tarran L1s that may just revolutionise carrying stuff by bike
Is this the electric cargo bike of the future, now? A first ride on the Tarran L1s that may just revolutionise carrying stuff by bike
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Avinox-powered Nukeproof Kilowatt launches in time for Eurobike… and prices start at just £3,999
Avinox-powered Nukeproof Kilowatt launches in time for Eurobike… and prices start at just £3,999
Just in time for the entrance at Eurobike to open and, hopefully, accept 1000’s of eager cycling industry people and press, Nukeproof has uncovered its latest model, and yes, it's an e-bike, and YES it has THAT motor!
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Avinox’s MG Concept brings CVT-style gears to an e-MTB motor
Avinox’s MG Concept brings CVT-style gears to an e-MTB motor
Avinox is at it again, but its concept motor looks like quite the leap compared to current models
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Megamo’s RYAL e-MTB is set to bring Avinox motors to a friendlier price point with models starting at £3,999
Megamo’s RYAL e-MTB is set to bring Avinox motors to a friendlier price point with models starting at £3,999
It's not just an accessible price as Megamo aims to bring a more accessible geometry and sizing to its Avinox-powered e-MTB range
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The “world’s first AI solar e-bike” is coming to Kickstarter, with double-disc wheels featuring integrated solar panels for extra range
The “world’s first AI solar e-bike” is coming to Kickstarter, with double-disc wheels featuring integrated solar panels for extra range
17 miles of extra range that is, with a claimed range of up to 120 miles a day utilising the Samsung battery cells and solar power - reservations for the Phosgo City or Hybrid will start from $1,499 on Kickstarter in late July
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A new do-it-all e-bike from Amflow, Halfords profits soar, New Jersey latest to attempt bike licensing and registration system + more
A new do-it-all e-bike from Amflow, Halfords profits soar, New Jersey latest to attempt bike licensing and registration system + more
This week we're looking at three intriguing new e-bikes, poring over Halfords' healthy profit margins, and heading stateside for some disappointing yet typical bike licensing news (will they ever learn?)
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Bosch unveils its first hub motor, semi-pro wins Voi Bike Challenge at Nocturne crit race, Florida sets close pass law + more
Bosch unveils its first hub motor, semi-pro wins Voi Bike Challenge at Nocturne crit race, Florida sets close pass law + more
Bosch's first-ever hub-based motor, Voi crit, and e-bike-related updates from Oxfordshire and Florida feature in this week's round-up
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gadsby06 19 minutes ago

Are you sure they weren't overshoes?

in: Le Col enters administration months after takeover by tennis giant Head
GravelIsNothingNew 2 hours ago

Winning GC is irrelevant, what a relief. The best thing about knowing Pogacar will most likely win GC, is that it frees us to focus on all the more interesting aspects the mountainous chess game that is the TDF. The real challenge for all (riders, teams and spectators) will be the hot weather. This might be the last TDF to be ridden in the heat of the afternoon. There will also likely be major climate protests against the rampant sports washing by fossil fuel corporate sponsors that defiantly continue as the core funding strategy of pro cycling, despite all evidence that their products are endangering the health of the greatest grandstand in all sport. Corporate surveillance and AI will not be far behind for protestors in coming years (if not this year), as a world on fire impacted by corporate greed and wilful ignorance towards the human rights of all earths citizens begins to bite; all whist cycling through some of the planets most glorious and endangered lands. The irony is palpable and the suspension of public disbelief seems about to crack. The onus is on the UCI to shift policy. Protests and epic TDF crowds could yet be the deciding factor in 2026.

in: Is this the most predictable Tour de France of the decade? road.cc’s ‘expert’ panel might prove you wrong
ktache 2 hours ago

I had very much enjoyed his rides around Birmingham previously.

in: Le Great British Tour de Cake by Heth Miller
ktache 3 hours ago

A fine career from a great rider, backed by an exceptional team. I hope that we haven't lost him completely from the world of cycling. There were a few solo breakaways, when and where I cannot recall, but they were just great and for me unexpected.

in: Ventoux heroics, disc brakes, crashes, saddle complaints… memorable moments from Chris Froome’s (former) career
ktache 3 hours ago

The LBS had a few copies of this when I had to pop in a few weeks back, needed a new rim, grrr. It piqued my interest, I like exploring the Chilterns and beyond and I love cake. Almost purchased. But noticed that the ride description wasn't up to what I liked, and the maps are all navigation app based, not really suited to a luddite such as myself. So I'm going to have to stick to my 1p very tatty copy of Nick Cotton's 24 one-day routes in Berks, Bucks & Oxfordshire. Much less cake based mind, but suited to the way I ride, that and a few local OS explorers.

in: Le Great British Tour de Cake by Heth Miller
StevenCrook 3 hours ago

"Continental’s GP5000 S TR tyres are a stable in the pro peloton" Really? A stable? There's a thing...

in: Save over £900 on SRAM Red AXS groupset, Look Keo Blade pedals down to £93.99, Giro Imperial II shoes at £299 + more Tour de France tech deals
mdavidford 4 hours ago

It's trying to gazump everyone else in the claim to be 'the fastest bike ever' - what's faster than a bike that can only exist in a particle accelerator?

in: This is what happens when a mountain biker designs their own custom titanium gravel bike
Simon Withers 4 hours ago

The writer's name is Ty (handy synchronicity for Ti ) Rutherford, hence Rf. I'd have to have a bike made of an alloy of silicon and tungsten, which does exist, but it's apparently used in computer chips rather than bike frames. Hey ho.

in: This is what happens when a mountain biker designs their own custom titanium gravel bike
Xenophon2 4 hours ago

Very interesting, thank you for sharing! Hope you enjoy the bike! Have to ask though, I get the Ti as it’s a titanium frame. But why Rf, a notoriously unstable synthetic and highly radioactive element?

in: This is what happens when a mountain biker designs their own custom titanium gravel bike
MichaelWinnerRIP 5 hours ago

I’m surprised by some of the comments here. I’ve always found Le Col kit pretty decent, from Pro Aqua Zero jerseys to their bib shorts, especially the Pro range.

in: Le Col enters administration months after takeover by tennis giant Head

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