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Mathieu van der Poel cyclocross shove
Mathieu van der Poel cyclocross shove (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

“He should have pushed me even harder”: Cyclocross rider apologises after Mathieu van der Poel shoves him out the way… because he was taking mid-race selfie with a fan; Dave Brailsford spotted at Man Utd win as Ineos deal nears + more on the live blog

It’s an unidentifiable day between Christmas and 2024 (anyone know which?)… Dan Alexander will be putting down the Baileys temporarily to bring you your a post-Christmas live blog
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, Dec 27, 2023 09:53
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SUMMARY

  • "Some of the craziest crowds I have seen at a race today, but also some of the most dangerous": Cameron Mason calls for more measures to prevent cyclocross crowds affecting the race
  • Five Cool Things at Christmas 2023: Show us your cycling-related gifts for the chance to win some cycling schwag!
  • Dave Brailsford spotted at Man Utd win as Ineos deal nears
  • Tesla's Cybertruck inspires Olympic medallist to design futuristic e-bike trailer (+ video)
  • "I read that he apologises, but that's not even necessary... everyone makes a mistake sometimes": Mathieu van der Poel responds to Felipe Nystrom's apology hopes he will "not give up his dream"
  • road.cc reader presents
  • Confession of an e-biker...
  • Sir Dave Brailsford hit with the full force of ranty ex-footballers' wrath...
  • No Van der Poel at today's 'cross race means... Wout wins (obviously)
  • Comment of the day
  • "I think a change of attitude is more important than infrastructure": James May talks about road sectarianism, says "nothing is going to be solved" with "angry drivers and evangelical cyclists"
  • Government touts Frog Bikes as post-Brexit "success" story, just months on from company blaming Brexit "friction" for £500,000 losses
  • "He should have pushed me even harder": Cyclocross rider apologises after Mathieu van der Poel shoves him out the way... because he was taking mid-race selfie with a fan
Mathieu van der Poel cyclocross shove
Mathieu van der Poel cyclocross shove (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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27 December 2023, 09:53

"Some of the craziest crowds I have seen at a race today, but also some of the most dangerous": Cameron Mason calls for more measures to prevent cyclocross crowds affecting the race

17k people in Gavere. Cross is boss. @UCIcyclocrossWC pic.twitter.com/0LPLtYweW6

— Tomas Van Den Spiegel (@tomasvds) December 26, 2023

That’s 6,000 more than who watched the Premier League football match between Bournemouth and Fulham yesterday afternoon, however the festive party atmosphere was not without issues. British rider Cameron Mason said the crowds were the “craziest I have seen at a race” but that it spilt over to “some of the most dangerous”.

“Some of the craziest crowds I have seen at a race today, but also some of the most dangerous. Fans leaning over the barriers, looking the wrong way and impeding the riders. Double barriers needed at most points of the track to keep the fans back and to stop them affecting racing,” he said.

I was there and you’re definitely right. People were looking at the screens as soon as the 5th rider passed while leaning over the barriers at some places. Saw a guy in front of me get hit by a wheel of a rider running cause he wasn’t paying attention. pic.twitter.com/eAUSLIefBc

— Jarko (@EnViJaYo) December 26, 2023

27 December 2023, 09:53

Five Cool Things at Christmas 2023: Show us your cycling-related gifts for the chance to win some cycling schwag!

roadcc xmas 2023
roadcc xmas 2023 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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roadcc xmas 2023 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Five Cool Things at Christmas 2023: Show us your cycling-related gifts for the chance to win some cycling schwag!

27 December 2023, 09:53

Dave Brailsford spotted at Man Utd win as Ineos deal nears

🔴 INEOS’ Sir Dave Brailsford, tonight in attendance at Manchester United game @ Old Trafford. pic.twitter.com/s5nPENPIVz

— Fabrizio Romano (@FabrizioRomano) December 26, 2023

Manchester United’s 3-2 comeback win over Aston Villa was attended by the man touted to be heavily involved with the Premier League giants once a deal for investment from Ineos goes through…

> Jim Ratcliffe wants Dave Brailsford to overhaul Manchester United — billionaire behind Ineos sporting empire remains confident of successful bid 

Manager Erik ten Hag told the Amazon TV cameras pre-match that Brailsford “wants to work with us, we want to work with him. I am looking forward to it” and the familiar face was then snapped in the stands at Old Trafford. 

“I think it’s very positive,” Ten Hag added after the game. “This group has a lot of experience in sport at the highest level, so it will be very good for Manchester United.”

Not everyone has followed Brailsford’s rise through the British Cycling, Team Sky and Ineos ranks however…

Thought it was Greg Wallace off Masterchef

— Josh (@joshpearson180) December 26, 2023

 United came from behind to overhaul a two-goal deficit at half-time, winning the Boxing Day clash 3-2… cue marginal gains talk…

ffs Dave Brailsford has only gone and used ‘2-0 is a dangerous lead’ as one of his famous marginal gains

— Duncan Alexander (@oilysailor) December 26, 2023

And of course… 

Man Utd look in dire need of some asthma inhalers, skin creams, bespoke pillows, maybe even a Triamcinolone shot or some TUE-cleared prednisolone. And obviously some marginal gains. Where on earth are they gonna find that?

— Nick Harris (@sportingintel) December 26, 2023

27 December 2023, 09:53

Tesla's Cybertruck inspires Olympic medallist to design futuristic e-bike trailer (+ video)

Tesla Cybertruck-inspired e-bike trailer (YouTube)
Tesla Cybertruck-inspired e-bike trailer (YouTube) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Tesla Cybertruck-inspired e-bike trailer (YouTube)
Tesla Cybertruck-inspired e-bike trailer (YouTube) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Tesla’s Cybertruck inspires Olympic medallist to design futuristic e-bike trailer (+ video)

27 December 2023, 09:53

"I read that he apologises, but that's not even necessary... everyone makes a mistake sometimes": Mathieu van der Poel responds to Felipe Nystrom's apology hopes he will "not give up his dream"

Mathieu van der Poel cyclocross shove
Mathieu van der Poel cyclocross shove (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Mathieu van der Poel cyclocross shove
Mathieu van der Poel cyclocross shove (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Mathieu van der Poel has spoken to Sporza this morning to address the incident during yesterday’s cyclocross…

“I know Felipe Nystrom’s story and have sympathy for him,” he said. “Yesterday, however, he gave me a fright. I initially thought he had pulled over to let me through, until he suddenly wanted to leave when I was at the same height. I pushed to keep myself straight and not hit his bike.

“I read that he apologises, but that’s not even necessary. I wasn’t angry with him either. Felipe made an error in judgement and that can happen. Everyone makes a mistake sometimes. He should certainly not give up his dream for that. I hope he stays here and continues to complete his planned programme.”

27 December 2023, 09:53

road.cc reader presents

Anyone get anything good for Christmas?

road.cc reader Petras B sent us this picture of their bike chain coaster from Links By Annette…

Chain coaster (Petras B/Email)
Email) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Chain coaster (Petras B/Email)
Email) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

 Apparently they’ve got a few interesting handmade items from used bike parts.

27 December 2023, 09:53

Confession of an e-biker...

Fesshole, if you’re not already acquainted, is the anonymous confession cesspit of the internet, usually filled with tales of sexual misadventure or family troubles, or sometimes both. Today, however, cycling’s on the agenda…

I cycle an e-bike as I commute 40 miles a day, it’s hilly and I don’t want it to take all day, I’ve lost 25kg, gained a 6 pack and can crush melons with my thighs but it still don’t stop some bald obese man commenting an e-bike is cheating at some point during my commute.

— Fesshole 🧻 (@fesshole) December 27, 2023

27 December 2023, 09:53

Sir Dave Brailsford hit with the full force of ranty ex-footballers' wrath...

It’s quite amusing seeing Sir Dave Brailsford, a near ever-present figure within professional cycling for longer than a decade, suddenly come onto the radar of the footballing world… cue meltdown from pundits and former professionals…

“I wouldn’t have a cycling expert!” 😱❌

“Football comes from within. You can have as many laptops as you like.. It’s nonsense!”

Dean Saunders argues why #MUFC should NOT employ Dave Brailsford as a director. 👀 pic.twitter.com/ay7uYFu4G0

— talkSPORT (@talkSPORT) December 27, 2023

Saunders wasn’t the only one… Paul Merson laying into Dave B during Sky Sports’ Boxing Day coverage, and concluding that ” you’ve got to get football people in – in my opinion – and work with football people”.

“The first thing they’ve got to sort out is the recruitment,” he said. “I’m not sure about the man coming in, the cycling man… It didn’t work with (former England rugby coach) Clive Woodward at Southampton. I think you’ve got to get football people in – in my opinion – and work with football people. This is a big football club.

“They’ve got to start performing. At the moment they are all over the place. They’re rotten. I’m not being horrible there.”

No pressure then…

27 December 2023, 09:53

No Van der Poel at today's 'cross race means... Wout wins (obviously)

🏆 Superprestige Heusden-Zolder (C1) 🇧🇪

1 🇧🇪 Wout van Aert
2 🇧🇪 Eli Iserbyt
3 🇳🇱 Joris Nieuwenhuis

4 🇧🇪 Vandeputte
5 🇳🇱 Del Grosso
6 🇧🇪 Wyseure
7 🇧🇪 Huybs
8 🇨🇭 Kuhn
9 🇧🇪 Th. Aerts
10 🇧🇪 Dockx
➡️ Results: https://t.co/hWU5xWlEOY pic.twitter.com/ibkbbr8cWZ

— Cyclocross24.com (@cyclocross24) December 27, 2023

And a win for Fem van Empel too, making it two wins for yesterday’s second-place riders in the absence of their winners, plus two wins for Jumbo…

“What a BATTLE!” ⚔️

Fem van Empel and Ceylin del Carmen Alvarado sprint to the finish in Heusden-Zolder! 🏁#CXWorldCup pic.twitter.com/CiNdgkEhtr

— Eurosport (@eurosport) December 27, 2023

27 December 2023, 09:53

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That’ll do for me…

27 December 2023, 09:53

"I think a change of attitude is more important than infrastructure": James May talks about road sectarianism, says "nothing is going to be solved" with "angry drivers and evangelical cyclists"

James May riding his Orbea
James May riding his Orbea (Image Credit: James May)
James May riding his Orbea
James May riding his Orbea (Image Credit: James May)

Former Top Gear host and one-time road.cc YouTube interview guest James May guest edited this morning’s BBC Today programme, during which he spoke about “road sectarianism”, specifically ending it, and called it more important than infrastructure.

Speaking from the saddle in West London, May said: “I’m a car enthusiast, but I also love bicycles. I love cycling around London because it is good for you and it is quite good fun, and to be honest it is now the quickest way to get about. 

“Cycling is good and I like cycling infrastructure, I like cycle lanes but some of them are overwrought and too complicated […] I think a change in attitude is more important than infrastructure, good though infrastructure is, as long as there is road sectarianism and we have angry drivers and evangelical cyclists, nothing is going to be solved.”

> James May says 20mph is “plenty fast enough”, and hopes “change in attitude” can help end road sectarianism

Explaining that he has just been cut up by a driver turning across his cycle lane and into a side road, May said he has some level of sympathy for drivers in such a situation, as there is “no precedent for this layout on the road network”.

“On my bike rides it normally happens once, and I’m ready for it because I cycle around here a lot, but it only has to go wrong once for it to be quite unpleasant,” he continued.

27 December 2023, 09:53

Government touts Frog Bikes as post-Brexit "success" story, just months on from company blaming Brexit "friction" for £500,000 losses

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2023 Frog Tadpole balance bike (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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2023 Frog Tadpole balance bike (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Government touts Frog Bikes as post-Brexit “success” story, just months on from company blaming Brexit “friction” for £500,000 losses

27 December 2023, 09:53

"He should have pushed me even harder": Cyclocross rider apologises after Mathieu van der Poel shoves him out the way... because he was taking mid-race selfie with a fan

Mathieu van der Poel and Puck Pieterse won the Boxing Day cyclocross in Gavere yesterday, however much of the post-race discussion has centred, not on their dominant mud-taming abilities, but the Dutchman’s shove of a fellow rider on the third lap…

¡QUÍTATE DE AHÍ! 🤣 Van der Poel en modo bestia quitando del camino al tico Felipe Nystrom #CXWorldCup pic.twitter.com/ti2UV0V053

— Camilo Uribe (@Uribecycling) December 26, 2023

And while some seemed to enjoy Van der Poel’s apparent win-at-all-cost, stop slowing me down, attitude towards the lapped rider Felipe Nystrom, others have labelled it unnecessary, overly aggressive, and deserving of a penalty.

I don’t think there was much need for that Mathieu… if anything it looks overly aggressive https://t.co/KWtMpEi9aT

— Peter. ✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿🚴‍♂️(he/him/his) (@PBCycleWrites) December 26, 2023

A key bit of context is the explanation for why Nystrom was there in the first place. No, he wasn’t just lapped, accidentally oblivious to Van der Poel’s storming approach from behind due to the noise of the crowds, but instead… because he was taking a selfie with a supporter…

Spanish pro cyclocross and road rider Felipe Orts Lloret addressed the discussion around the video, saying: “I appreciate and respect Felipe’s effort but any reaction from Van der Poel would be justified. The race is the race and anyone who is not competing in it cannot prevent the first person from going where they need to.”

And on the whole, the fans who took to social media to share their views agreed…

Am I the only one who thinks that this is not aggressive at all and that it’s a pure reflex to avoid a fall?

— Jimi Hendrix (@jimi_on_zwift) December 26, 2023

Clowning around with the fans while the race leader is coming through is unacceptable… Fan favorite or not pay attention while getting lapped!

— Lukáš Ronald Lukács (@lucasaganronald) December 26, 2023

A rider not paying any attention to his surroundings nearly takes out the leader of this race. No, it wasn’t aggressive. It was a natural reflex to stay on his bike.

— James Talks Cycling (@JamesTalksSport) December 26, 2023

Nystrom later told Belgian news outlet Sporza about the incident, his embarrassment and guilt obvious, the 40-year-old urging people against blaming Van der Poel, saying the race winner should have “pushed me even harder”, and even going as far as to say he is ending his season early because “I have to bear the consequences of my actions”.

“I feel terrible,” he said. “It was 1,000% my fault what happened there. Mathieu had to push me — it should have been even harder. I was in the way and I feel very bad about it.

“I am concerned that Mathieu may receive hate messages. Some people tell me I’m stupid, but others say Van der Poel was mean and didn’t have to push me. It’s horrible that he would experience a negative impact from a situation I put him in. I wish that I could look Mathieu in the eye and say how sorry I am.

“I don’t really deserve to be here. I had a dream and I achieved it, but my mistake on Tuesday is too big for me to continue. Normally I would have had the [financial] means to continue until the World Championships. But now I’m just going to leave next week.

“I’m going to give the other Costa Rican (Joseph Ramirez, ed.) one last push in Hulst and then he has to take over the torch. I have to bear the consequences of my actions, I have disappointed people.”

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Dan was the road.cc news editor from 2022-2026. He joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan mainly wrote news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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  1. Capt Sisko
    December 27, 2023 at 1:08 pm
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    17,000 fans at cyclocross etc

    17,000 fans at cyclocross etc – But we Brits can’t watch it as some knob at Disney has pulled the plug on GCN.

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    • Cupov
      December 27, 2023 at 1:17 pm
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      it was on eurosport

      it was on eurosport

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      • Velophaart_95
        December 27, 2023 at 1:56 pm
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        Yeah, there’s been a lot of

        Yeah, there’s been a lot of mis-information about this. If you were already a Eurosport subscriber, then there was no issue. It’s the same as before – no change.

         

        However come June annd the time to re subscribe, I suspect it won’t be £39.99 for the year…….

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    • mark1a
      December 27, 2023 at 1:41 pm
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      Capt Sisko wrote:

      17,000 fans at cyclocross etc – But we Brits can’t watch it as some knob at Disney has pulled the plug on GCN.

      — Capt Sisko

      Disney??

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      • Velophaart_95
        December 27, 2023 at 1:55 pm
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        Disney/ WarnerBros – owners

        Disney/ WarnerBros – owners of Discovery/Eurosport.

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        • mark1a
          December 27, 2023 at 2:15 pm
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          Velophaart_95 wrote:

          Disney/ WarnerBros – owners of Discovery/Eurosport.

          — Velophaart_95

          Disney does not own those and is unrelated to WB. 

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          • Capt Sisko
            December 27, 2023 at 2:26 pm
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            https://discoverysports.com/

            https://discoverysports.com/

             

             

          • mark1a
            December 27, 2023 at 2:43 pm
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            Capt Sisko wrote:

            https://discoverysports.com/

            — Capt Sisko

            Yep – still not DISNEY.

  2. hawkinspeter
    December 27, 2023 at 2:01 pm
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    Well, this is some kind of

    Well, this is some kind of shit Xmas day present:

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-bike-shop-owner-distraught-8999572

    A Bristol bike shop was broken into on Christmas Day. At around 3.30pm thieves reportedly made their way into Bikemaker, on West Street in Old Market, and stole up to £10,000 worth of items.

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  3. Miller
    December 27, 2023 at 2:57 pm
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    Costa Rican CXer should carry
    Costa Rican CXer should carry on as planned, stuff happens, no-one got hurt. Startling incident, yes, end of the world, no.

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    • Rendel Harris
      December 27, 2023 at 3:29 pm
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      Miller wrote:

      Costa Rican CXer should carry on as planned, stuff happens, no-one got hurt. Startling incident, yes, end of the world, no.

      — Miller

      Yes, hopefully his statement that he was going home was made in the heat of the moment in the shock of having done something stupid and MVDP’s very gracious and understanding attitude will persuade him that he can stay on.

      I must admit I hadn’t heard Nystrom’s story, it is quite incredible, well worth looking up if you haven’t heard it: in very brief precis a childhood of sexual and physical abuse ended up with him living on the street as an alcoholic and drug addict, trying to kill himself seven times. After the seventh attempt he suddenly decided he had to make something of his life, moved to America and worked his backside off, sometimes holding seven jobs at once. However he found America lonely and he didn’t know where one could go to make friends except bars, which as a recovering alcoholic he had to stay clear of, so he joined a cycling club and went from strength to strength, eventually winning the Costa Rica National Road Race Championships in 2019, since when he’s been competing in the cyclocross almost completely self-funded. Absolutely awesome and outweighs x 1,000,000 a silly mistake.

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  4. eburtthebike
    December 27, 2023 at 4:23 pm
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    James May on Today R4: well,

    Today R4: the interesting bit starts at 1:35:33.

    James May on Today R4: well, they’ve finally mentioned cycling, so only forty years of pestering has finally paid off, even if it had to take someone famous for being a petrolhead to do it.

    It was almost balanced, but the presenter was clearly anti-cyclist as was the taxi driver, with the usual bingo card of hi-viz, RLJ etc, but incredibly, no mention of helmets.

    The presenter finished off by saying that this debate could go on, so I’ve emailed them suggesting that, for the famous BBC balance, they might dedicate a five minute slot every day for the next year to match their e/hydrogen/self-driving car coverage.  And maybe they could get someone rather more authoritative than an ex-Top Gear presenter, from CUK perhaps.

    If you wanted to join in, it’s today@bbc.co.uk

    Anyway, thanks James, at least you got them to talk about cycling.

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    • wtjs
      December 27, 2023 at 6:54 pm
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      There’s been, of course, a

      There’s been, of course, a lot of coverage of May’s comments on self-driving cars. They’re inevitably coming to the UK, because even a car driven by the speak-and-spell machine out of Toy Story is going to be more safely driven than those featured in the Car Collides with Building and Drivers and their Problems topics- and the great majority of those drivers will be on the road today. PS: safer than the average BMW and Audi driver as well

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    • ubercurmudgeon
      December 28, 2023 at 12:14 am
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      eburtthebike wrote:

      It was almost balanced, but the presenter was clearly anti-cyclist

      — eburtthebike

      The presenter was a typical journalist, in that at one point all the guests agreed on the need for mutual respect, but that was too dull, so he interjected with a comment of his own about cyclists being scofflaws. That was clearly meant to prod the cabbie to fulfil her designated role, and that’s when she obliged with standard-issue guff about compulsory hi-viz and registrations. It was basically the sort of thing that The Day Today so mercilessly satirized here:

      https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/thedaytoday/S01E05/S01E05-V4J0YRUf-subtitled.jpg

      Although, to be fair, the cabbie and the presenter are both presumably based in London, where they are exposed to a higher concentration of dickhead cyclists, because London has a higher concentrations of dickheads in general. Some of the dickheads ride bikes, some crowd around the doors on the Tube, some dangerously squeeze past cyclists in their motor vehicles, some live in palaces, a lot trade on the stock markets, and some present radio news programmes. But nobody calls for Londoners to be registered, taxed, and made to wear signs that say, “Warning, I may be a dickhead.”

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        December 28, 2023 at 8:36 am
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        .

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        Today’s fairest Handle, yeah?!

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@chrisonabike Mercedes was acceptable, but the second one (old Toyota people carrier/ex-taxi) was a prosecutable offence.

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@Steve K corrected just for you!!!

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I wasn't saying that nor talking about people who say that. I said it was silly to claim that wearing a helmet indicates acceptance of dangerous driving and poor infrastructure. I choose to wear a helmet; I also regularly report dangerous driving to the police and correspond with councils and road authorities about ways infrastructure could be improved for cyclists. I rather doubt I'm the only helmet wearer who does so.

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