“Hi-vis distracts from the real issues on our roads,” says makers of bike camera warning signs; “Tedious” number plate debate follows former Met chief’s comments; Friday Facebook Fancy; A front light with a difference; Mythbusting + more on the live blog
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"How about policing the roads properly?": Cyclists shut down former Met Police chief's "tedious" bicycle number plate proposal
The dust is just starting to settle on the story from last night that the House of Lords heard a suggestion to tackle apparently “dangerous” and “entirely unaccountable” cycling by putting number plates on bicycles. And while I’m sure there’s plenty said in the Lords that can be ignored, put away at the back of the mind with all the other ramblings of politicians of a certain ilk, it is always going to be slightly more concerning/infuriating/facepalmingly depressing coming from the man who was in charge of the Metropolitan Police for five years…
Here we go again…
Former Metropolitan Police chief claims “dangerous” cyclists are “entirely unaccountable”, suggests number plates as a solutionhttps://t.co/sA3g26Gkou #cycling pic.twitter.com/7pPInzW84t— road.cc (@roadcc) November 23, 2023
Cycling lawyer Rory McCarron, who works for Leigh Day and assisted British Cycling in its recent call for an end to “hazardous leniency” in sentencing of drivers who kill or injure cyclists, picked apart Lord Hogan-Howe’s comments, in particular the bit about how “on occasion they [cyclists] have terribly injured people and on some occasions killed them”.
“Yes,” he replied. “And these very few cyclists have been identified and held accountable? Ermir Loka, Charlie Alliston etc. How many unaccountable cyclists are killing/seriously injuring people? Not many. He has also failed to outline what he considers dangerous cycling by giving an example. I’m guessing he woke up this morning and felt dangerous.”
Another said it was “classic looking for a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist”, Andrew Buss adding: “Just wait until he hears about the huge number of KSIs [killed and seriously injured] due to car drivers. If only they had a system of registration and licensing. Oh…”
How about policing the roads properly?
Sometimes it’s a free for all out there.— 𝐹𝒾𝓍𝒾𝑒 𝒞𝓎𝒸𝓁𝒾𝓈𝓉 🚴♂️+🌉 (@ViaTowerBridge) November 23, 2023
Over on Facebook, road.cc reader Stephen Ward commented: “Ignoring how well it works for cars and other vehicles I can’t help but think the Met have bigger issues to deal with than getting inundated with reports of cyclists riding two abreast or ignoring cycle lanes.”
eburtthebike: “[Quoting Hagen-Howe]…’On occasion they have terribly injured people, and on some occasions killed them.’
“When? How often? How many compared to cars? How many people are killed by drivers who are not arrested or punished or who are let off with such pathetic excuses as ‘the sun was in my eyes’ or ‘I thought I hit a sack of potatoes’? No, let’s attack an out group whose transgressions are so minor that they barely register.”
Here in the road.cc website comments section, some of our standards are clearly a tad lower…
Clem Fandango: “At least he acknowledged that cyclists are actually people. Baby steps fellow evil lobby members, baby steps.”
Every cloud…
Team Visma | Lease a Bike join the pantheon of whacky pro cycling team names
Sometimes when asked by a friend or family member about how pro cycling works, you’ll end up explaining how teams carry the name of whoever is paying the bills but, since cycling’s still relatively small business in the wider sporting picture, we end up with the world’s best competing as a moving billboard for caffeine shampoo or Belgian laminate flooring.
Add another chapter to that great book…
We are delighted to confirm our new partnership agreements with Visma and Lease a Bike!
Managing director Richard Plugge: “This is another big step forward, ensuring that we have the resources to further develop and improve as a team.”
— Team Jumbo-Visma cycling (@JumboVismaRoad) November 24, 2023
The all-conquering and relentless winners, Jonas Vingegaard, Wout van Aert, Marianne Vos and Co. part of the terrifying and ruthless victory-collecting machine that is… *checks notes*… Team Visma | Lease a Bike…
Out goes the supermarket, in comes the bike hire provider. Crack out the bad jokes when one of their stars ends up grabbing a neutral service bike in a moment of crisis…
In all seriousness here are the comments from Lease a Bike’s managing director Ward Matser on the deal… “Lease a Bike’s mission is to inspire people to go biking. For sports, for commuting and in everyday life. What better way to spread this message than through an extremely inspiring cycling team? We want to encourage people to live healthier and more sustainable lives and see Team Visma | Lease a Bike as a way to contribute to this.
“We are already successful in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Austria and we are expanding to other countries in Europe and to the USA. We believe in innovation, developing talent and doing things a little better every day. A vision we share with the cycling team.”
No greenwashing accusations today… (and by pro cycling’s not so glittering standards, that’ll do for me)…
Cycling mythbusting: nobody cycles in winter when it's wet and cold
Still waiting for the cyclists to disappear from #cycleway4 now that it’s nearly winter and nobody in their right mind would contemplate cycling this time of year. So some say anyway…….#cycling pic.twitter.com/jneREQtQAN
— Greg N (@n00dles71) November 21, 2023
Sorry, excuse my sniggering, seeing Greg post another video’s reminded me of ‘Tug-gate’. Never a bad day to share that again…
> Cyclist catches driver watching adult film and ‘spanking the monkey’ in heavy London traffic
A last-minute contender for best cycling light of 2023?
enlighted pic.twitter.com/ofVoia5lzm
— OriginCycling (@OriginCycling) November 20, 2023
That’s one for the Beam Test 2024…
Five great British bike brands that are pushing the boundaries of cycling tech
The return of Jo's Friday Facebook Fancy... just pray you don't actually have to ride this one...
there’s some rusty tat on facebook marketplace but for not much money at all you can acquire a rare collectible, it’s also the worst bike ever produced. it won’t rust though pic.twitter.com/sP1e4B3fRE
— Jo Burt (@VecchioJo) November 24, 2023
School bike racks destroyed by speeding, out-of-control motorist, as pupils and teachers stage protest demanding introduction of 20mph limit
Wait, it's Black Friday? Nobody told me...
Only kidding. Anyway, hope your Black Friday is going better than Halfords’ social media admin’s…
More like racing to return them due to faults
— Kie M (@kie_morgan3) November 24, 2023
Comment of the day
For the offending review…
> Gorewear Gore-Tex Paclite Pants Men’s
In our defence that’s just the name of the product. Laurence quite rightly points out they easily go over his trousers. Thank you hutchdaddy for giving us all an image to try to forget…
Tom Pidcock checks out Tour de France gravel stage
What do we have here?
Laurens De Plus and Tom Pidcock took a trip to Troyes to recon the route for next year’s ninth stage of the Tour de France, a 14-gravel sector lumpy ride through the vineyards. Maybe not quite as toasty in November, but at least you’re not a four-time Tour de France winner demoted to role of Geraint Thomas’ mechanic.
How many pros does it take to pump up my tyres? 🤷♂️🤣💅 pic.twitter.com/6TLPZFOHr6
— Geraint Thomas (@GeraintThomas86) November 24, 2023
"Would they like the shirt off my back as well?" Bike shop owners fume as Cycle to Work scheme stops retailers charging additional fees
"Hi-vis distracts from the real issues on our roads," says makers of bike camera warning signs
You may already be familiar with the work of PassPixi, the makers of the magnetic bike camera warning signs which aim to dissuade anyone tempted to do something dangerous around the wearer. After all, the looming stick of potential penalty points and a fine through the post is almost certainly more effective than whatever the carrot I’m now struggling to identify is in this analogy.
In fact, through our Near Miss of the Day series we’ve covered this ‘in the wild’…
> Near Miss of the Day 538: Close pass driver hangs back when they realise they are being filmed
In that case our Warwickshire reader had one of the patches displayed, the front and rear camera footage showing a motorist about to perform a dangerous overtaking manoeuvre before, presumably spotting the PassPixi logo, thinking better of it and holding back until it was safer to pass.
Anyway, rambling context done, onto this…
Hi-vis distracts… from the real issues on our roads #cycling pic.twitter.com/ATUOJyADwL
— PassPixi (@PassPixi) November 23, 2023
It would be interesting to see the respective treatment this rider got with and without the little camera sign. The hi-vis question always pops up again at this time of year, the dark nights and shortening afternoons prompting (often admittedly well-meaning) road safety groups, local authorities or police forces to urge using hi-vis clothing as a cyclist. Don’t worry pedestrians, you’ve not been forgotten…
What about pedestrians? pic.twitter.com/J9WN6ZMLIm
— The Sign Minister (@thesignminister) November 23, 2023
> Police ask pedestrians to wear hi-vis following spate of road deaths in Scotland
Other police forces, notably the Surrey Roads Policing Unit’s famous social media account, prefer to point out the main causes of road danger should be prioritised, not forcing personal protective equipment on more vulnerable road users…
How have you turned this into a discussion about high viz?
We have cars covered in it and big flashy lights and drivers STILL don’t see us. pic.twitter.com/e4PF8v7uqu
— Roads Policing – Surrey Police – UK (@SurreyRoadCops) June 26, 2020
A point made in PassPixi’s original post, where they say it “distracts from the real issues on the road”. To many a reply disagreeing, they added to the discussion with this video this morning…
Hi-vis doing a tremendous job of keeping a rider safe #cycling pic.twitter.com/QS7JeG5RRB
— PassPixi (@PassPixi) November 24, 2023
A familiar tale for any of us (regardless of what you’re wearing)…
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I had actually cycled my first century the week before the accident. I got back on the bike straight away then a hip wore out and was replaced so I missed a lot of cycling in 2024 but I was back to my normal level in 2025 not so sure what has happened this year I am not as enthusiastic as usual I have been on the bike just not cycled far. I will have to do more as I will do a 50 mile ride in September the annual charity ride. Not sure fear is the problem exactly more a feeling that there is less enjoyment.in a bike ride than there once was.
What’s all this MTB palaver? The Tour de France was originally a gravel race. 🙃
@wtjs I've sent in 2 close pass videos to kent police, never heard anything back.
@Rendel Harris I had wondered how they might be preparing to deal with the expected heat. Got to keep them as safe as possible. My excitement is building, always a nervy first week, too many crashes in the peleton and no amount of down gearing is going to prevent that. From my cloudy memory, the pogecar lad is very rarely caught out on the wrong side of a crosswind split.
Rumor has it that riding the MMR gives you autism.
Well this looks ominous: real possibility of Tour stages being cancelled due to extreme heat. I'll put the link in a reply otherwise this whole comment will be quarantined - it's on the Guardian if anyone wants to search for themselves.
Having used the street multiple times since it was opened just over a month ago, I can report two issues which are preventing the improvements from working to their full potential. Firstly, there is no signage other than the painted bikes on the road itself, so there is nothing to indicate that cyclists have priority. The second is that the double yellow lines stop about two-thirds of the way down the road, meaning that from that point onwards, there are multiple cars parked half on the pavement and not in the designated parking places, reducing the width of both the footpath and the road to what it was before the improvements were made.
@MaxiMinimalist Really? So this applies only to drivers from Bouches-du-Rhône, Haute-Garonne and Vaucluse, drivers from the other sixteen départements that make up the south are fine?
Yeah, it's great isn't it........
66 thoughts on ““Hi-vis distracts from the real issues on our roads,” says makers of bike camera warning signs; “Tedious” number plate debate follows former Met chief’s comments; Friday Facebook Fancy; A front light with a difference; Mythbusting + more on the live blog”
There is some good content on
There is some good content on road.cc but I get fed up with the way you constantly try to wind us up and get engagement through outrage.
I’m triggered that you are
I’m triggered that you are fed up and outraged!
I’m outraged that you are
I’m outraged that you are triggered
That’s the way the web works
That’s the way the web works these days I’m afraid.
HarrogateSpa wrote:
When the former head of the nation’s biggest police force makes a speech in the national legislative assembly calling for something that would be incredibly restrictive and damaging to cycling, it would be a bit odd if a cycling website didn’t report it, wouldn’t it?
Can’t see anything on GCN or
Can’t see anything on GCN or cyclingnews.com
They must be a bit odd…or maybe road.cc is a bit odd.
They are both, as you well
They are both, as you well know, websites solely dedicated to cycle sport and as such this news does not come under their purview, as it naturally does for a more general cycling site like road.cc.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Oh really? “Global Cycling Network” really sounds like a name they’d choose to focus on the sport side doesn’t it!
And hang on, did you say it’d be odd if “cycling websites” didn’t report it? Which would mean you don’t consider those to be “cycling websites” lol
thisismyusername wrote:
Oh sit down FFS Loser, go and look at the GCN website, every single article on there is about racing in one way or another apart from one article on teaching kids to ride. If you think these websites are so great why don’t you stay on them instead of polluting the one from which you’ve already been banned? One suspects you’re only here because of road.cc’s curiously lax moderation policy whereby people banned from the site for bullying and racism are allowed back under new names, you clearly make this your trolling spot of choice as you know you’d be turfed from the other sites in minutes if you carried on as you do on here, and rightly so.
Now now, calm down, and come
Now now, calm down, and come back into the room once you’ve considered your words and actions.
More of your boring swipes at me – can’t you think up anything else to say to try and get me banned?
It’s about time you were banned with your trolling of new users and pedantic childishness.
It’s not like you need to get that angry at me for correcting you.
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
It’s quite difficult to think of ways that you could get banned, given that you have already been banned as thisismyusername for your bullying, libel and racism. It would be excellent if road.cc had a policy of keeping previously banned users off the site but apparently this is difficult for them.
As much as I enjoy GCN’s
As much as I enjoy GCN’s content they are definitely cycling/industry cheerleaders so I can understand why something like this doesn’t appear on their everything is rosy site.
It’s not news. It’s been
It’s not news. It’s been covered plenty before and the government has said it’s not introducing plates for cyclists. So there is no story.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Nope – coz thats the slipperly slope. When one old buffer in the HoL says something that is in no way on the legislative agenda its irrelevant, giving him attention is what he wants.
HarrogateSpa wrote:
Are you talking about the superb and not at all divisive or engaging reporting that the highly trained road.cc staff do?
They’ve openly admitted that people arguing generates more revenue. Sums up what sort of a site this is.
Article on helmet use
Article on helmet use incoming….I don’t think there’s been one this week.
I’d be interested in people’s
I’d be interested in people’s views on disc brakes vs rim brakes, just in case anyone’s opinion has shifted since a month ago.
Wing mirror!
Wing mirror!
mark1a wrote:
I’ve forgotten where the science and ethics are at on what if any rules should apply if a trans person wishes to compete at the top level of a cycling discipline. Or just any thoughts people might have around that issue.
Don’t forget mechanical vs
Don’t forget mechanical vs electronic shifting.
Or tubes vs tubeless.
Or tubes vs tubeless.
Those cyclists doing 44 m.p.h
Those cyclists doing 44 m.p.h. through Ringinglow – I bet they were all wearing helmets.
NotNigel wrote:
Yep my bingo card is still not complete for a change
Other websites are available
Other websites are available if you don’t like this one.
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
And your contributions appear to be a key part of that strategy.
Steve K wrote:
Yes that’s because I’m really a road.cc undercover employee here to get some more engagement going.
Yours,
Sack Jexty
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
The sort that exists in a capitalist free market?
While the headlines draw clicks through outrage the body tends to be more rational, which is a lot more than you can say for most.
Ah, just grab some popcorn,
Ah, just grab some popcorn, sit back and watch the usual suspects get their lyrcra in a twist over it.
I’m not gifted with height,
I’m not gifted with height, so my frame size is typically around 50cm. Include some mudguards and lights in the winter on my road bike… where exactly would a number plate go?
The fact is that the police just don’t want to do their job. In the summer I was hit by a guy on an e-scooter. I’ve had two shoulder surgeries since and am likely not back on the bike until January. The response from the police was that scooters are on the road illegally, so there is nothing they can do about the guy who hit me. When my MP got involved they just said in a letter to him that it is the government’s fault because they allow e-scooters to be sold by shops. They even commented how they did an “education campaign” locally, stopping e-scooter riders, but it achieved nothing (what a surprise). How about just stopping anyone riding one and confiscating them. That will stop it pretty fast.
It is a ‘brain fart’ of an
It is a ‘brain fart’ of an idea that won’t survive the first contact with reality, so I don’t think it is going to happen.
What it does reveal is a level of prejudice amongst police and lawmakers, that they would blurt this out without a clear understanding of how it might work in practice (i.e. where the plates go, how children’s bikes get registered) nor in terms of criminology (how it might deter ‘dangerous’ cycling) or the proportionality or public interest of this. To me, the danger is not around whether or not we get number plates on bikes, but more what kinds of other things happen as a result of this prejudice.
the little onion wrote:
What you’re saying is the police and lawmakers think exactly the same as the majority of the non-cycling Great British public…
squired wrote:
Thanks, that’s handy to know.
So, if you want to commit a crime, like punch a copper or rob a bank, you can just do it using e-scooters and the police are powerless to do anything.
So, if you want to commit a
So, if you want to commit a crime, like punch a copper or rob a bank, you can just do it using e-scooters and the police are powerless to do anything
No, No, No! What renders them powerless is if the offender fails to provide video evidence of him offending to confirm the video taken by the victim or someone else, or if he can’t remember the incident. It’s some catch, that Police Catch 22!
squired wrote:
We’ve had some pretty convoluted examples of Police Logic before (as wtjs will attest) but surely this must take the biscuit – the Police can’t do anything because he was doing something illegal?
We’ve had some pretty
We’ve had some pretty convoluted examples of Police Logic before (as wtjs will attest) but surely this must take the biscuit – the Police can’t do anything because he was doing something illegal?
These ridiculous dodges seem to be creeping out into other aspects of modern life. I have an 82 year old friend who had several uPVC windows installed. 2 of the locks failed, but the installer has failed for months to turn up to perform the simple job of replacing the locks. The insurer/ industry regulating body told him that they couldn’t do anything because the window installer is still in business!
squired wrote:
By that logic, they can’t do anything about shootings.
Steve K wrote:
Or stabbings, unless it’s by a chef using one of their work knives.
I think I’m going to buy fake brand-name trainers and then I’ll be able to get away with any crime that I want to commit.
Just do it from your cycle
Just do it from your cycle there at night – as long as you’re without pedal reflectors you’re clearly already illegal. Sorry mate, the bike wasn’t legal on the road anyway so…
hawkinspeter wrote:
Even then it would have to happen in the kitchem, because carrying knives around just because you happen to be a chef isn’t a defence, agaisnt offensive weapons charges.
wycombewheeler wrote:
I disagree as it’s illegal to carry most knives or any weapons in public without a ‘good reason’ and a chef carrying their knives with them on the way to or from their work is a ‘good reason’. They would typically be carried in a roll and not just loose in their pocket, so they wouldn’t be mistaken for stabby knives. It’s quite common for chefs to be incredibly possessive of their knives and to not allow anyone else to touch them or use them so it’s not unusual for them to not leave their personal knives in the kitchen.
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Or swords… this was down
Or swords… this was down your way?
chrisonatrike wrote:
Quite likely – there’s a Sikh temple just near my road. In the ‘good reasons’ for carrying bladed weapons, they include religious reasons as Sikhs are supposed to carry a kirpan knife. National costumes are also an exemption.
hawkinspeter wrote:
You’re sort of right and sort of wrong, yes a chef or a carpenter etc is legally allowed to carry their knives and other bladed tools to and from the workplace, but the second it’s taken out of its case/tool roll/pocket to be used in a threatening manner it automatically transforms into being an offensive weapon and the carrier/wielder is subject to exactly the same laws as someone who was carrying it for offensive purposes from the outset.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Well, yes. If you take a work tool and start using it in a threatening manner then it will automatically be treated as an offensive weapon, whether it’s a knife, a hammer or a screwdriver. A more grey area would be if a chef was attacked and was somehow able to open up their knife roll, select the relevant knife and then defend themselves with it – although the chef had no intention of using it that way and had good reason to be carrying it, would that be considered to be carrying an offensive weapon?
hawkinspeter wrote:
Is it normal for chefs to carry their own knives home at the end of every service and bring them back again tomorrow? seems uneccesary to me.
wycombewheeler wrote:
It depends on the kitchen environment and nature of employment. If it’s a stable job with known, trusted chefs then a chef could leave their knives there and know that no-one’s going to start chopping bones with them. If it’s a high-turnover kitchen then you wouldn’t want to leave very expensive knives lying around, especially if there’s a chance that the place could close down or you get made redundant.
Steve K wrote:
No numberplate, so no way to identify him…. The video of the accident wasn’t enough. Or the fact that the camera from my bike shows that he went into the nearby Tesco and did some shopping before disappearing. I suggested they might be able to identify him given that people generally pay by card, but they just closed the case and said there is nothing they can do.
When he hit me he was carrying a can of laughing gas, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he was known to the police in the local area anyway.
squired wrote:
A can? I thought they were usually sold in cartridges (c.f. CO2) for use in whipped cream devices.
That seems extremely poor
That seems extremely poor policing – straying into “can’t be bothered” territory if you ask me.
When he hit me he was
When he hit me he was carrying a can of laughing gas, so I wouldn’t be surprised if he was known to the police in the local area anyway
These 2 were high on nitrous, shouting and laughing while careering round Garstang, blaring the horn, with the driver turning to show this picture of a naked woman’s breasts on his phone. Ignoring incidents like this is just part of the routine every day’s work for a Lancashire copper. Mind how you go!
Or in fact anything.
Or in fact anything.
squired wrote:
I wonder if you could make an insurance claim against the MIB for an illegal scooter.
I suspect that it would fall under motorcycle rules and I seriously doubt they could refuse to cover injuries from an illegal motorbike on the road… Could probably only claim for injuries not property damage, but still.
(depending on the type of e-scooter, it could plausibly be certified as a motorbike if it had plates etc, so I would argue it should fall under MIB cover…)
squired wrote:
The police are reporting that they are powerless to stop people committing crimes? Is this really the position they want to take? Because what are we funding them for if this is the case?
It seems really simple, no need to check if the e scooter is legal or not, stop them, charge them and confiscate.
Isn’t North Korea the only
Isn’t North Korea the only country that actually has a cycle registration system?
Yes, lets go follow their example…
Upto 2021, as a cyclist with a camera, I was getting at least a 70% (if not 80%) success rate in the Met police issuing NIPs/FPNs for my dangerous driving reports.
Since 2022, the Met police are so under-staffed/under-resourced that I’d be lucky to get a 10% success rate now for identical reports with evidence.
So either dangerous driving is being considered OK or they simply haven’t upped their game in dealing with it.
I’ve noticed an increase in dangerous driving lately (we all know phone use behind the wheel is endemic) and a massive increase in red light jumping by drivers as they know they can get away with it.
Very disappointed by the
Very disappointed by the latest clothing review, creeping loss of good British values and slipping down a dangerous slope of Americanisms.
https://road.cc/content/review/gorewear-gore-tex-paclite-pants-mens-305279
As any fool knows they are trousers.
These are pants
hutchdaddy wrote:
You do realise that you don’t have to wait for Xmas to get some new underpants, don’t you?
I only wear black, so it
I only wear black, so it doesn’t show up any, ahem, incidents.
Hey give me back my pants
Hey give me back my pants thief!!
I don’t suppose you actually
I don’t suppose you actually read the review?
Have had to go into the
Have had to go into the office regularly for the first time since lockdown. Also coincidences with darkness going home. Also the first time I have had Garmin radar when commuting home.
The number of speeding drivers in a 30 is quite alarming. So for all the bullshit about wear hi Viz and fluro needs to be – drivers stick to the speed limit because you are the ones in charge of 1.8 T of metal. You are more likely to produce a KSI from speeding than sticking to the limit.
I had a Audi overtake me
I had a Audi overtake me around 200m from a roundabout at 0615 Wednesday morning.
He was braking hard for the roundabout.
My garmin had him at approach speed of 64mph in a 30mph zone.
My Garmin picked up a 70mph approach from the rear on Thursday night … that one turned out to be a train ?
“I’ll set my dog on you”
“I’ll set my dog on you”
Said around 3:40 but the build up is interesting. Earlier beeps the cyclist at a red light…
for not running the red light…
I don’t think your dog will agree much with my Dlock (which would be self defence that a reasonable person would undertake).
* vehicle is also unregistered – how ???
How not to pass horses on the
How not to pass horses on the road
still for those not on twatterX
Are they the late, great and
Are they the late, great and sadly missed Rik Mayals underpants?
Did anyone else see BBC4’s
Did anyone else see BBC4’s programme last night on Mark Beaumont’s ride down the spine of America? Three partner, may have been on before, from BBC Scotland.
Yeah: watched that (I think I
Yeah: watched that (I think I read the book, some years ago – I note that the tv programme was dated 2010). The scene where he showed how badly his marathons had (edited) worn down