BBC radio's Today Debate yesterday centred on car ownership, the ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030, electric cars, reducing emissions, implications for car ownership, and more...
On the panel was former Top Gear host (and now a member of the cycling community) James May, Conservative MP for Lincoln Karl McCartney, professor Julia King chair of the Carbon Trust, former Aston Martin CEO Andy Palmer (fresh from his recent live blog appearance), and Graeme Potts of Eden Motors.
Host Mishal Husain began the debate by stating "the shift demanded by climate and clean air objectives is not however all about drivers swapping to electric cars. It is also about the need for us to drive less or, perhaps, not at all in the future — less car ownership, less private vehicle traffic, leading to better air and lower emissions".
However, the following 25 minutes seemed to largely bypass talk of alternatives to driving, instead discussing electric cars' range, growth of the charging point network, the 2030 target, the price of electric cars, cost of electric car batteries, before Husain asked May about the need to walk and cycle more...
May replied: "I do cycle a lot, I'm not just saying that to be sanctimonious, I've actually noticed recently that even Google Maps has recognised that at certain times of day it's quicker to go across London on a bicycle if you're doing the sort of journey I do, between four and eight miles.
"The car is, like everything else in society, under more scrutiny than it has ever been — how it's used, how it's made, how it's disposed of, where it's left, what speeds it does. I think that's a good thing because questioning stuff is great. And I am starting to think that in some places cars aren't very appropriate."
In reply to an earlier question, MP McCartney had said: "The prime minister and those around him see that we need to be realistic, when you get outside of London and you get further north, over 80 per cent of people use a car to get to work. That's a phenomenal amount, there's not going to be any replacement of those figures."
Graeme Potts from Eden Motors also added: "Motorists are showing over and over again that they are not ready for this alternative because it is unaffordable. They have already demonstrated over many many years, and I have been in this industry for 42 years, that modal shift as it's called is not an option for many customers. Karl [McCartney] makes a very very good point, the average person in Britain travels 18 miles to work, but the travel to work requirement for independent personal transport is as nothing compared with the lifestyle demands mum and dad as taxi drivers, or us going to our lifestyle or leisure activities.
"But if investment in public transport was different you could imagine the landscape where that starts to feel different?" host Husain suggested.
Potts' reply: "As a proportion of travel to work journeys [rail travel] is actually still very low. I don't want to be overly political, but the unreliability of the public sector means there is less likelihood of modal shift, in my view."
Here's the link to the full episode if you wish to listen, mainly to save me transcribing any more of the 45-minute-long segment...