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Police arrest man riding stolen motorbike in Richmond Park area as patrols increase due to bike-jackings; Lycrist infiltrator: the new MAMIL?; Point to camera…driver waits; UCI helps Afghan cyclists; Roubaix behind the scenes + more on the live blog

It’s the middle of the week and Dan Alexander is here for your Wednesday fix of live blog action
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, Oct 13, 2021 07:55
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SUMMARY

  • "We need Rentokil to deal with you lot": Anti-LTN group labels active travel councillor "worse than vermin" in heavily criticised now-deleted tweet
  • Bahrain Victorious tie down key riders: Sonny Colbrelli and Matej Mohorič pen multi-year deals
  • Bike train helps children ride to school — if only that bike lane was still there...
  • Point to the camera...driver magically learns how to drive safely
  • UCI helps evacuate female Afghan cyclists + Israel Start-Up Nation boss Sylvan Adams eyes FIFA World Cup bid for 2030
  • Jo Rigby embraces life as a "lycrist infiltrator"
  • Behind the scenes at Paris-Roubaix with Ineos Grenadiers
  • Lycrist infiltrator...reaction to anti-LTN group's abusive message to active travel councillor
  • Dorset Police investigate attempted robbery by trio on moped after teenager follower on way home from school
  • Ribble opens shiny new Bristol showroom
  • Fancy winning Lachlan Morton's Alt Tour bike?
  • Police arrest man riding stolen motorbike in Richmond Park area as Met increase patrols due to spate of bike-jackings
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13 October 2021, 07:55

"We need Rentokil to deal with you lot": Anti-LTN group labels active travel councillor "worse than vermin" in heavily criticised now-deleted tweet

Completely normal fantasy of exterminating people who use a bike to get around London. pic.twitter.com/42ui1j30Ej

— Jo Rigby (@Jo_Earlsfield) October 12, 2021

One Tower Hamlets, a group “fighting for Liveable Streets to be halted”, has since deleted this grim reply to Jo Rigby’s announcement that she is passing on the active travel lead at Wandsworth Council. The account holder felt the need to mark the moment by calling her a “lycrist infiltrator”, before saying “your type are worse than vermin. We definitely need Rentokil to deal with you lot”…

Even ardent anti-cycling critic and TalkRadio presenter Cristo Foufas briefly called a ceasefire to address the hateful message…

Really don’t think tweets like this are helpful or kind @SaveColumbiaRd . Rats? Vermin? I don’t agree with much of what Jo has to say but resorting to this isn’t cool. Critique opinions. Critique policy. I don’t support you saying this and I suggest you rethink.

— Cristo (@cristo_radio) October 12, 2021

What is it about these “One” groups that makes them so godawful? The people on them do flower arranging and voluntary litter collecting in their spare time, then they join their local “One” group and become completely bilious https://t.co/OM1YkX7VgK

— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) October 13, 2021

For a rundown on the Liveable Streets that One Tower Hamlets is so against, let’s take a look at Tower Hamlets Council’s website: 

The Liveable Streets programme aims to improve the look and feel of public spaces in neighbourhoods across the borough and make it easier, safer and more convenient to get around by foot, bike and public transport.

We also want to reduce people making ‘rat runs’ and shortcuts through residential streets to encourage more sustainable journeys and to improve air quality and road safety.

Terrible, I know.

The good people of cycling Twitter tried not to take the hatred to heart…

That rat is stylish as hell though, look at him go

— Hannah 🚲 (@theeyecollector) October 13, 2021

I would wear a t shirt that said ‘lycrist infiltrator’ on it 👍

— Furcoat (@FurcoatNaeNicks) October 12, 2021

13 October 2021, 07:55

Bahrain Victorious tie down key riders: Sonny Colbrelli and Matej Mohorič pen multi-year deals

Sonny Colbrelli, 2021 Paris-Roubaix
Sonny Colbrelli, 2021 Paris-Roubaix (Image Credit: A.S.O./Pauline Ballet)
Sonny Colbrelli, 2021 Paris-Roubaix
Sonny Colbrelli, 2021 Paris-Roubaix (Image Credit: A.S.O./Pauline Ballet)

Bahrain Victorious have rewarded two of their standout riders from 2021 with new contracts. Paris-Roubaix winner Sonny Colbrelli and double Tour de France stage winner Matej Mohorič have both signed “multi-year deals”.

> The bikes that won Paris-Roubaix – Tubeless, disc and aero for Colbrelli and Deignan

Both riders enjoyed the best season of their careers, Colbrelli winning his first Monument two weeks ago, as well as becoming both Italian and European champion. Mohorič also became national champion, beating Tadej Pogačar to the Slovenian crown. The 26-year-old backed up his success with two stages of the Tour de France.

“I’m one of the few riders wearing this jersey since 2017, the very first season,” Colbrelli said. “Debuting in the WorldTour with Bahrain and arriving up to this stunning season. I can say I grew up with this group, and I must be more than thankful. I’m now where I am, also due to the support and trust that I’ve always felt.”

Mohorič’s season wasn’t without controversy. After the team’s bus and hotel was raided by French police at the Tour de France, he insisted the team had “nothing to hide”. Winning stage 19 a week later, Mohorič crossed the finish line doing the infamous zipped lips gesture made famous by a certain Lance Armstrong. The double stage winner denied knowing the Armstrong connection.

13 October 2021, 07:55

Bike train helps children ride to school — if only that bike lane was still there...

The Old Shoreham Road bike train is open for business…but parents wish they could just use the bike lane. The cycle lane was removed last month after councillors voted to scrap it. To help their kids continue to ride safely to school, about 20 parents and pupils turned up to the first train outing on Friday. It’s initially running once a week but parents told Brighton and Hove News they hope it will pick up in popularity and can be expanded.

“I’d never dreamed of cycling along the road before due to the volume and speed of the traffic,” one dad, Ben Kelly, said. “The arrival of safe, dedicated lanes coincided with my son mastering his bike and we were devastated when they were removed.

“As well as providing a fun, safe, healthy and environmentally friendly service to the local community, we are shining a light on the growing need for a high-quality, permanent cycle lane that support parents, pupils, delivery riders and commuters.”

329 people have signed a petition on Brighton and Hove Council’s website asking for “permanent well-planned and high-quality cycle lanes for the Old Shoreham Road”.

13 October 2021, 07:55

Point to the camera...driver magically learns how to drive safely

The PassPixi penny-drop moment when I point to the sign. It works folks. Not all the time, but enough to make cycling safer #ClosePass #Cycling #PixiMagic pic.twitter.com/u45JNOpOaB

— PassPixi (@PassPixi) October 13, 2021

“I can’t be bothered to wait behind them. I’m going to try and undertake. Yep, I’m going for it. Here I go. Ahhhhh, nope. Right, think I’ll stay here… “

13 October 2021, 07:55

UCI helps evacuate female Afghan cyclists + Israel Start-Up Nation boss Sylvan Adams eyes FIFA World Cup bid for 2030

Sylvan Adams (wikimedia commons/ Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic/ Matty Stern US Embassy Jerusalem)
Matty Stern US Embassy Jerusalem) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Sylvan Adams (wikimedia commons/ Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic/ Matty Stern US Embassy Jerusalem)
Matty Stern US Embassy Jerusalem) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Israel Start-Up Nation co-owner Sylvan Adams has encouraged Israel to bid for the 2030 FIFA World Cup. Adams offered his services during an interview with the Jerusalem Post, saying he’s willing to help “as I did with the Giro d’Italia race, but we need the government’s help”.

Adams also discussed his role in helping 41 Afghan female cyclists flee Taliban rule. The businessman and philanthropist was contacted by IsraAid and worked with the organisation to help the women escape. The UCI, Asian Cycling Confederation, FIFA and governments were also involved in the project which saw 165 people safely evacuated, including female cyclists and members of the Afghan Cycling Federation.

38 have now reportedly been welcomed to Switzerland where the UCI hopes the riders will join the UCI World Cycling Centre, an international accommodation and training facility. It is believed the rest of the refugees will be welcomed to the US, Canada, France and Israel.

“It is very important for the UCI to make a commitment to the members of the cycling family who are suffering due to the current situation in Afghanistan,” UCI president David Lappartient said. “I am delighted that our efforts in this respect are providing opportunities for the people concerned in decent living conditions.”

13 October 2021, 07:55

Jo Rigby embraces life as a "lycrist infiltrator"

Born bad. pic.twitter.com/DRWNzfcrw7

— Jo Rigby (@Jo_Earlsfield) October 13, 2021

I’m just surprised One Tower Hamlets didn’t go for lycrist infiltraitor for some extra insult bonus points…

13 October 2021, 07:55

Behind the scenes at Paris-Roubaix with Ineos Grenadiers

Ineos Grenadiers have released their video round-up from Paris-Roubaix, including some behind the scenes footage of Gianni Moscon in tears on the team bus after his puncture and crash. We’re only disappointed there isn’t any new raging Luke Rowe content…

13 October 2021, 07:55

Lycrist infiltrator...reaction to anti-LTN group's abusive message to active travel councillor

I would wear a t shirt that said ‘lycrist infiltrator’ on it 👍

— Furcoat (@FurcoatNaeNicks) October 12, 2021

Lycrist infiltrator is a new one…Jo Rigby earned that tremendous title from the charming One Tower Hamlets anti-LTN group’s Twitter account holder. The rest of the message was pretty distasteful, as you’ve probably already seen, but plenty of people are getting on board with the marketing potential…it’s got a ring to it.

Tempted to make one for my own amusement. Anyone know the copyright holder of the drawing? Google image search doesn’t bring anything up. pic.twitter.com/tgfGxhh62H

— David (@FranticTeacup) October 13, 2021

I’m a firestarter,
lycrist infiltrator! pic.twitter.com/YMYIHrBe9k

— Elisabeth Anderson (@velobetty) October 13, 2021

Thanks everyone for sharing the ‘did he really write that tweet’ moment. Humour will see us through.

Hopefully a cult t-shirt will land from @philipnormal

I got a follow from @hanleyPa out of this – which is as good as it gets for this forever Fall fan. #lyrcistinfiltrator

— Jo Rigby (@Jo_Earlsfield) October 13, 2021

Of course there was some more serious reaction too. Over on our Facebook, Kevin Blackburn replied to the story saying: “Threatening extermination! I think that is a hate crime.”

You lot under the blog have been on fine form too…Philh68 wrote: “So these One Tower Hamlet folk are so opposed to liveable streets that they’ve forgotten what the opposite of liveable is?”

TriTaxMan did some digging, “I just had a look at the One Tower Hamlets Twitter feed and they claim to be a majority group of residents and business owners in Tower Hamlets…. all of these anti-LTN groups have about 1,000 followers, largely made up of other anti-LTN groups or cabbies/cab companies. I would have thought that if they were so popular with the residents in their areas they would have lots of unique followers….. not all the same people…. just saying.”

SimoninSpalding added: “I like term lycrist, it seems much more positive than MAMIL which involves facing my mortality and the reality that I will never win a race or be paid to ride my bike(s).😁👍”

AlsoSomniloquism pointed out it’s also more inclusive of age and gender than MAMIL. A nice touch. But what about the other ranks? Nnif reckons lycrist infiltrator/agitator/berserker could be the hierarchy…

13 October 2021, 07:55

Dorset Police investigate attempted robbery by trio on moped after teenager follower on way home from school

A3049 footbridge (Google Maps)
A3049 footbridge (Google Maps) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
A3049 footbridge (Google Maps)
A3049 footbridge (Google Maps) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

A Dorset mother urged people to remain vigilant after her son was the victim of an attempted bike robbery by a moped gang last week. The Dorset Echo reports the 16-year-old was followed as he cycled home from school across the A3049 footbridge near Sherborne Crescent, Poole.

The trio on a moped tried to push the teenager off but didn’t manage to take his bike. A police spokesperson confirmed the victim did not sustain any serious injuries in the incident. 

“Dorset Police received a report of an attempted robbery in Poole. It is reported that the victim was cycling across the footbridge near to Tower Park when he was approached by three boys on a moped who tried to steal his bike. One of the boys tried to push the victim off his bike. Enquiries are ongoing into the report. No arrests have been made.”

13 October 2021, 07:55

Ribble opens shiny new Bristol showroom

 
 
 
 
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In August it was Nottingham. In September it’s Bristol. Ribble has been expanding its showroom empire, opening this sharp new retail experience in The Mall at Cribbs Causeway. So whether you’re in the market for a new bike, or just want a nosey at what you could have, it looks well worth checking out…

13 October 2021, 07:55

Fancy winning Lachlan Morton's Alt Tour bike?

Lachlan Morton - Photo Credit Grubers 03
Lachlan Morton - Photo Credit Grubers 03 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Lachlan Morton - Photo Credit Grubers 03
Lachlan Morton – Photo Credit Grubers 03 (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

The bike Lachlan Morton rode around France for 16 days is being raffled off to raise money for World Bicycle Relief. Morton’s EF Education-Nippo team-issue Cannondale SuperSix Evo covered 5,510km over the full Tour de France route, including transfers, in a little over two weeks. You might want to give it some TLC first if you plan on taking it out on the roads…

Four EF Education-Nippo Pro Cycling jerseys signed by the Aussie are up for grabs in the prize draw too. Tickets cost £25, and a winner will be selected once entries close on Monday 1 November. If you want to enter follow the link here…

“During The Alt Tour, in my deepest holes, I wasn’t alone,” Morton explained, apparently not doing an impression of a horror movie trailer. “I could draw on the idea that with each pedal stroke I was sharing that freedom and joy with someone who hadn’t yet had the opportunity to experience riding. I could smile at the endless possibilities that a bike could bring them.

“In many ways, World Bicycle Relief helped me achieve my goals as much as they helped bring the beauty of the bicycle to so many. For both those reasons I’m forever grateful.”

13 October 2021, 07:55

Police arrest man riding stolen motorbike in Richmond Park area as Met increase patrols due to spate of bike-jackings

Royal Parks Police Richmond Park (image credit: Richmond Cycling Campaign/Twitter)
Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Royal Parks Police Richmond Park (image credit: Richmond Cycling Campaign/Twitter)
Twitter) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

It’s worth making it clear from the top, there is no confirmation the man has been arrested in relation to the bike-jacking incidents in south west London these past few days. Only that he was arrested by officers from Operation Venice, a Met Police operation tackling motorcycle-enabled crime, who were deployed to the Richmond Park area because of recent events.

Royal Parks Police reported the news their officers had last night engaged and pursued the man, making tactical contact and arresting him after the motorbike he was riding was established to have been stolen. 

The arrest came hours after Met Police’s Chief Superintendent Owain Richards  confirmed they would be stepping up patrols in and around the park to deter offenders and engage with cycling associations.

The motorbike was established to have been stolen. Officers are continuing their investigation @MPSRichmond @MPSWandsworth

— Royal Parks Police (@MPSRoyal_Parks) October 13, 2021

The officers were seen in the park last night, not least by the Richmond Cycling Campaign who met officers near Roehampton Gate, and reported they were keen to reassure park visitors that they are taking the incidents seriously and working to catch the offenders…

And then saw two more officers arrive ar Sheen Gate. pic.twitter.com/q96KZ0hvD3

— Richmond Cycling Campaign (@RichmondCycling) October 12, 2021

On Friday, pro rider Alexander Richardson was knocked off his bike, dragged along the road and threatened with a machete by a moped gang. Then, on Sunday evening, a moped gang raided junior national closed circuit TT champion Mattie Dodd’s family home in Wimbledon, taking six bikes.

Yesterday, a picture of a moped rider and passenger carrying a road bike emerged on social media. Police confirmed there had been another bike-jacking on Monday evening, while parents at a school just outside Richmond Park said they’d seen another incident.

Monday’s victim today said he feared he would be “decapitated in the street” when a moped gang followed him, again threatening violence with a machete and making off with the bike.

13 October 2021, 07:55

Richmond Park bikejacking victim feared being “decapitated in the street” by machete-wielding thugs

Richmond Park bikejacking victim feared being “decapitated in the street” by machete-wielding thugs

Police step up patrols in the area after spate of bike thefts by moped muggers

13 October 2021, 07:55

Richmond Park bikejacking victim feared being “decapitated in the street” by machete-wielding thugs

Richmond Park bikejacking victim feared being “decapitated in the street” by machete-wielding thugs

Police step up patrols in the area after spate of bike thefts by moped muggers

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Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he’s not working you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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  1. SimoninSpalding
    October 13, 2021 at 8:07 am
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    I like term lycrist, it seems
    I like term lycrist, it seems much more positive than MAMIL which involves facing my mortality and the reality that I will never win a race or be paid to ride my bike(s).??

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      October 13, 2021 at 8:48 am
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      Plus it is much more

      Plus it is much more inclusive of age and gender. 

      Edit:  ​Although I now just have the first few lines of Here comes the Hotstepper in my head.

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      • nniff
        October 13, 2021 at 9:01 am
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        Indeed – and it opens up a

        Indeed – and it opens up a whole host of roles:

        Lycrist Infiltrator/Agitator/Beserker :o)

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        • kil0ran
          October 13, 2021 at 9:05 am
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          I’ll take Lycrist Beserker. I

          I’ll take Lycrist Beserker. I already have the beard and the scars. 

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          • brooksby
            October 13, 2021 at 10:35 am
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            kil0ran wrote:

            I’ll take Lycrist Beserker. I already have the beard and the scars. 

            — kil0ran

            “I channel my aggression, that’s what I do; every day I ride the Tour de F- you!”

    • Velo-drone
      October 13, 2021 at 10:05 am
      0

      SimoninSpalding wrote:

      … the reality that I will never win a race or be paid to ride my bike(s) …

      — SimoninSpalding

      Maybe you need to move out of Spalding and to somewhere with a few hills 😀 😉

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      • SimoninSpalding
        October 13, 2021 at 10:16 am
        0

        Have you looked on a map of

        Have you looked on a map of this area, we have Peak Hill, Chapel Hill and Weston Hills!

        Plus riding in the wind (which we do have plenty of) is a skill in itself.

        Realistically the limitation is that I am old and enjoy food and beer too much, which in addition to my lack of natural talent really holds me back!

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        • Velo-drone
          October 13, 2021 at 10:26 am
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          I lived on Park Road for 12

          I lived on Park Road for 12 years … 🙂

          Biggest hill I could find was the ramp to the swimming pool car park …

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          • SimoninSpalding
            October 13, 2021 at 11:25 am
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            My favourite is the Queens

            My favourite is the Queens Bank bridge over the A16. Admittedly I can ride it in top gear on a good day!yes

        • giff77
          October 13, 2021 at 6:23 pm
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          Having had the privilege (?)

          Having had the privilege (?) to cycle through Spading and other parts of the region I can confirm that the hills as such exist. Though nothing prepared me for the Fen Blow. I remember one occasion it made little difference what direction I pointed there always seemed to be a block headwind. There was no respite whatsoever. 

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      • SimoninSpalding
        October 13, 2021 at 3:56 pm
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        Sadly, I have just found out
        Sadly, I have just found out we have lost another of our own in this part of the world.
        http://www.spaldingtoday.co.uk/news/amp/cyclist-dies-after-tractor-collision-9220484/

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  2. TriTaxMan
    October 13, 2021 at 8:46 am
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    I just had a look at the One

    I just had a look at the One Tower Hamlets twitter feed and they claim to be a Majority Group of Residents and business owners in Tower Hamlets…. all of these anti-LTN groups have about 1000 followers, largely made up of other anti-LTN groups or cabbies/cab companies.

    I would have thought that if they were so popular with the residents in their areas they would have lots of unique followers….. not all the same people…. just saying

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    • Fursty Ferret
      October 13, 2021 at 9:32 am
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      What I don’t understand is

      What I don’t understand is the loathing of cabbies and private-hire drivers for LTNs. Since they’re paid by the mile / minute depending on speed, anything that slows them down or extends their journey actually makes them more money. 

      Or is it the abject fear that someone who used to take a cab to the shops might instead hop on a bike or walk?

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      • EddyBerckx
        October 13, 2021 at 9:47 am
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        Fursty Ferret wrote:

        What I don’t understand is the loathing of cabbies and private-hire drivers for LTNs. Since they’re paid by the mile / minute depending on speed, anything that slows them down or extends their journey actually makes them more money. 

        Or is it the abject fear that someone who used to take a cab to the shops might instead hop on a bike or walk?

        — Fursty Ferret

        nobody outside of Mayfair takes a cab to the shops instead of walking. Black cabs are for tourists, people on business accounts in the city and drunk people leaving nightclubs. Normal Londoners rarely use them due to the expense  – they are literally for the elite

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      • AlsoSomniloquism
        October 13, 2021 at 9:54 am
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        Definitely the last bit. 

        Definitely the last bit. 

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      • Awavey
        October 13, 2021 at 10:30 am
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        Suspect it’s more complex
        Suspect it’s more complex than that

        Taxi drivers probably make more money by taking as many fares in a shift of time,than fewer journeys that just take longer. So get frustrated at delays or being held up for longer in traffic queues because that delays them getting the next fare.

        That traffic queues are the result of more vehicles on the roads and not cyclists and not cycling infra is the point lost on them.All they see is cyclists making much easier progress around those hold ups, they see cycle lanes that they wish if only they could use theyd get to their next fare quicker and after all how many cyclists are using them if they arent as congested as the roads are and then so they start to blame the cyclists for causing the hold ups.

        Chuck in the same average motorists outlook towards cyclists, and you end up with a bunch of drivers who think all congestion is solved by building bigger roads, so dedicating more space to others becomes an anathema to then, and just want pesky cyclists out of their way.

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  3. Captain Badger
    October 13, 2021 at 8:50 am
    0

    Whilst surfing through teh

    Whilst surfing through the Twitterati’s musings, I read @closepassescardiff’s response to JVs tweet. A link to a rather good essay I thought. Now, must get back to work….

    http://closepassescardiff.smokewriting.co.uk/index.php/2021/04/02/cyclists-goths-and-football-fans/

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    • chrisonabike
      October 13, 2021 at 9:08 am
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      Thanks – looks interesting. I

      Thanks – looks interesting. I’ll read later but just struck by their “counterfactual” example at the top because for a second I actually thought they’d got this directly from a road.cc poster of times gone by:

      “Don’t they sometimes make you want to just drop a breeze block off a motorway bridge and listen for the smash?’”

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      • ktache
        October 13, 2021 at 8:42 pm
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        Legseleven, or something

        Legseleven, or something close, and it was a paving slab.

        Left the site and left the UK for the wonders of Amsterdam, and it’s wonderful cycling provision.

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    • brooksby
      October 13, 2021 at 9:36 am
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      Really good read; thanks for

      Really good read; thanks for the recommendation.

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      • Awavey
        October 13, 2021 at 10:10 am
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        Hmm maybe, it reads to me as
        Hmm maybe, it reads to me as one of those essays that wants to really focus on an entirely different subject, but has to stretch the analogies to fit to make it something related to cycling, because well its tagged as a cycling site primarily.

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        • brooksby
          October 13, 2021 at 10:33 am
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          I don’t know: I thought they

          I don’t know: I thought they made some good points.

           

          (And let’s face it, we all know allegedly cycling sites which get diverted off into completely off-cycling topics…).

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        • Captain Badger
          October 13, 2021 at 11:02 am
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          Awavey wrote:

          Hmm maybe, it reads to me as one of those essays that wants to really focus on an entirely different subject, but has to stretch the analogies to fit to make it something related to cycling, because well its tagged as a cycling site primarily.

          — Awavey

          Interesting. I took it that the focus was on the othering and hatred of an out group, and a demonstration of the objectively harmful outcomes that come as a result. The example used was the of football supporters in the 70s and 80s, culminating in Hillsborough, and followed by the continued vilification of the victims for decades afterwards, and a denial of the justice they deserved. I don’t believe that this was an analogy.

          I felt it broke it down into constituent parts of psychological cause and effect that were applicable not just to football supporters, but to a wide range of people including us. 

          The “jokes” that are made by “characters” such as Christo, Clarkeson, Liddle, Parris, Ferarri et al (generally demeaning, dehumanising or even violent in tone), do have real-world effect, even if considered indirectly – and we know that, as we are on the receiving end.

          We often joke that now racism is illegal, these bigots need to find someone else to hate. However, if that hate is real, and the outcome is somewhere on a scale between intimidation through violent assault to murder, can the bigots be considered to be any more morally respectable just cos they are more cleverly selective in identifying their targets?

           

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          • Awavey
            October 13, 2021 at 3:25 pm
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            I just felt it was something
            I just felt it was something they clearly wanted to write about Hillsborough and the treatment of football fans in that era versus the establishment be that government or police, which is fair enough it’s their site they can write what they want. But its not at all about cyclists or how cyclists are treated and they had to stretch the analogy of ‘othering’ all those types of people so it still broadly met their cycling theme.

          • AlsoSomniloquism
            October 13, 2021 at 3:49 pm
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            The hillsborough section is

            The hillsborough section is probably a quarter of the whole article. And it is probably the biggest example of people believing stories about a group of people and so believing anything said about them.

            A minority of football fans were hooligans. Yet people believed, (and still believe to some extent) that Hillsborough was caused by drunken fans, and they abused the Police and emergency services. 
            A minority of cyclists go through red lights or cycle very antisocially. However in every discussion about a cyclist you see the bingo of RLJ, knocking people over, etc. 
            And the press / columnists used to fan the flames of football hooligism back then and now fan the flames of cyclists always behaving badly now. So no, I don’t see wanting to write about a certain thing but tenously linking it to cycling, I actually do see the paralels being pointed out.  
             

    • kt26
      October 13, 2021 at 10:15 am
      0

      Very good read. Thanks for

      Very good read. Thanks for sharing. 

      Looking at Christo’s tweets at the time he appears to suggest transport choice is soley a personal choice, devoid of any financial, societal or environmental pressure. This would suggest he believes every motorist is partly personally responsible for the estimated 28,000 premature deaths each year caused by air polution. Which makes his stance on cycling difficult to understand…

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      • Captain Badger
        October 13, 2021 at 10:45 am
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        kt26 wrote:

        Very good read. Thanks for sharing. 

        Looking at Christo’s tweets at the time he appears to suggest transport choice is soley a personal choice, devoid of any financial, societal or environmental pressure. This would suggest he believes every motorist is partly personally responsible for the estimated 28,000 premature deaths each year caused by air polution. Which makes his stance on cycling difficult to understand…

        — kt26

        Get outta here, with ya…. fffacts, and, and,and…..  lllllogic….

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        • kt26
          October 13, 2021 at 1:26 pm
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          One would be forgiven for

          One would be forgiven for thinking Christo may be recieving contributions from parties who are interested in keeping people in cars – I mean there’s a first for everything right…

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    • eburtthebike
      October 13, 2021 at 11:13 am
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      Thank you for posting that

      Thank you for posting that link, an excellent, informative, erudite read.  And it reminded me that I’m still banned from twitter for calling Cristo a cretin, despite my appeal now being in its tenth month, or as soon as possible according to the twits.  I might throw it a birthday party at the end of December.

      The article also includes a link to “Negative attitudes to cyclists may affect road space given to them: variation in drivers’ perceptions of adequate space when overtaking a cyclist on the road”  which I’ve not read yet.

      https://psyarxiv.com/7659j/

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    • doodlydiddle
      October 13, 2021 at 11:49 am
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      Thanks for the link, a

      Thanks for the link, a superbly well-written and thought provoking essay. The points made are very good, and compare to my experience of being one of the only people in my company who regularly cycles to work.

      In the name of humour, many of my colleagues will make unfavourable remarks about cyclists, whilst trying to make it clear it’s supposed to be funny. It isn’t funny (in fact it is mind-numbingly predictable), but I pick my battles carefully, and these are battles I don’t need to win and will not win anyway. In fact earlier this year when I was knocked off on the way to work (over the bonnet of a volkswagen – not recommended), despite being lit up like a christmas tree and with video footage to show it wasn’t my fault, along with some significant injuries, many of the comments I received fell into the categories of

      a. victim blaming; or

      b. making jokes at my expense.

      This clear bias (conscious or unconcious) runs through wider society and is a worrying trend. These are every day law abiding decent people in many respects – yet when a cyclist is mentioned the hate comes streaming through.

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      • Captain Badger
        October 13, 2021 at 12:27 pm
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        doodlydiddle wrote:

        Thanks for the link, a superbly well-written and thought provoking essay. The points made are very good, and compare to my experience of being one of the only people in my company who regularly cycles to work.

        In the name of humour, many of my colleagues will make unfavourable remarks about cyclists, whilst trying to make it clear it’s supposed to be funny. It isn’t funny (in fact it is mind-numbingly predictable), but I pick my battles carefully, and these are battles I don’t need to win and will not win anyway. In fact earlier this year when I was knocked off on the way to work (over the bonnet of a volkswagen – not recommended), despite being lit up like a christmas tree and with video footage to show it wasn’t my fault, along with some significant injuries, many of the comments I received fell into the categories of

        a. victim blaming; or

        b. making jokes at my expense.

        This clear bias (conscious or unconcious) runs through wider society and is a worrying trend. These are every day law abiding decent people in many respects – yet when a cyclist is mentioned the hate comes streaming through.

        — doodlydiddle

        It’s staggering isn’t it? When driver training for my company, I’d describe the circumstances around, and the experience of being knocked off by a car driver. In fairness most people engaged really well. That is except for the individual who immediately asked “what were you wearing?”……

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      • Mungecrundle
        October 13, 2021 at 2:21 pm
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        Same here. Knocked off on way
        Same here. Knocked off on way home from work in the hit and run I’ve posted up enough times. https://youtube.com/channel/UCoomimAd4tfsRCNLQbK0M_Q

        Advice from colleagues “You should wear a helmet, you were lucky you didn’t land on your head”. A few years ago a colleague turned their car upside down on a country road and ended up with severe concussion amongst other soft tissue injuries. I remember there being far more sympathy about it being an accident, black ice, dangerous road and all manner of excuses when the reality was almost certainly excess speed for conditions but everybody was too polite to say anything about that.

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        • andystow
          October 13, 2021 at 2:22 pm
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          Mungecrundle wrote:

          Same here. Knocked off on way home from work in the hit and run I’ve posted up enough times. https://youtube.com/channel/UCoomimAd4tfsRCNLQbK0M_Q Advice from colleagues “You should wear a helmet, you were lucky you didn’t land on your head”. A few years ago a colleague turned their car upside down on a country road and ended up with severe concussion amongst other soft tissue injuries. I remember there being far more sympathy about it being an accident, black ice, dangerous road and all manner of excuses when the reality was almost certainly excess speed for conditions but everybody was too polite to say anything about that.

          — Mungecrundle

          Did you ask them if they were wearing a helmet?

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  4. chrisonabike
    October 13, 2021 at 9:03 am
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    Hate’s so debilitating. 

    Hate’s so debilitating.  Between the One Tower Hamlets tweet and Rendel I’m confused – so are One Tower Hamlets saying cyclists are Lycrist (“lycraist”?) tories?

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    • Captain Badger
      October 13, 2021 at 9:04 am
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      chrisonatrike wrote:

      Hate’s so debilitating.  Between the One Tower Hamlets tweet and Rendel I’m confused – so are One Tower Hamlets saying cyclists are Lycrist (“lycraist”?) tories?

      — chrisonatrike

      Lychrist, perhaps….

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  5. brooksby
    October 13, 2021 at 9:23 am
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    At least nobody had to invoke

    At least nobody had to invoke Godwins Law, given the historical usage of describing an outgroup as ‘vermin’ which have to be ‘exterminated’.

    Err, wait a minute… 

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  6. Philh68
    October 13, 2021 at 9:53 am
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    So these One Tower Hamlet

    So these One Tower Hamlet folk are so opposed to liveable streets that they’ve forgotten what the opposite of liveable is?

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  7. Daveyraveygravey
    October 13, 2021 at 11:58 am
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    Lycrist infiltrator – am I

    Lycrist infiltrator – am I the only one that associates this with someone like Morrisey or Billy Bragg sitting alone in a bedsit trying to make words rhyme?

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    • Steve K
      October 13, 2021 at 12:22 pm
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      Daveyraveygravey wrote:

      Lycrist infiltrator – am I the only one that associates this with someone like Morrisey or Billy Bragg sitting alone in a bedsit trying to make words rhyme?

      — Daveyraveygravey

      Punctured bicycle, on a hillside desolate…

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      • EddyBerckx
        October 13, 2021 at 1:49 pm
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        Steve K wrote:

        Lycrist infiltrator – am I the only one that associates this with someone like Morrisey or Billy Bragg sitting alone in a bedsit trying to make words rhyme?

        — Steve K

        Punctured bicycle, on a hillside desolate…

        — Daveyraveygravey

        Winner.

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    • chrisonabike
      October 13, 2021 at 1:18 pm
      0

      I’ve had relations with bikes

      I’ve had relations with bikes from many nations, I’ve rode passes on cycles of all classes.

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      • markieteeee
        October 13, 2021 at 1:20 pm
        0

        I can see the kitchen light,

        I can see the kitchen light, from the road where I park my bike.

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        • Rendel Harris
          October 13, 2021 at 2:33 pm
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          Also BB:

          Also BB:

          The chain that fell off my bike last night
          Is now wrapped round my heart
           

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          • Sriracha
            October 13, 2021 at 5:50 pm
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            Charles Wesley got there
            Charles Wesley got there first!
            [I]My chains fell off, my heart was free,
            I rose, went forth, and followed thee.[/i]

          • Rendel Harris
            October 13, 2021 at 9:50 pm
            0

            Well how did he follow

            Well how did he follow someone if his chain fell off? Must have been on a descent…

    • Awavey
      October 13, 2021 at 2:27 pm
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      No that’s a lyricist
      No that’s a lyricist 😉

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  8. FrankH
    October 13, 2021 at 4:43 pm
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    Hell of an echo on that Allez

    Hell of an echo on that Allez Opi-Omi link.

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  9. Organon
    October 13, 2021 at 4:49 pm
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    Van Aert wishes he was as

    Van Aert wishes he was as aero as that rat.

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Giant Reign Advanced E+ 2 e-MTB
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The latest Mondraker Dusty e-gravel bike ditches Mahle in favour of the more powerful TQ HPR60 mid-drive motor
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Latest Comments

Rendel Harris 6 minutes ago

@FragileBoris You said they had sent an NIP, which means that they are planning to impose an FPN or take the driver to court. It's not uncommon for the police to mess up the paperwork so that these don't get followed up, I've had cases fall through several times because of this. It in no way indicates that your or your father's version of events is true.

in: Police say “Operation SNAP has become so successful” as they continue not to investigate close passes without being able to measure passing distances
Daveyraveygravey 7 minutes ago

@mdavidford Surely this warrants more attention? Are they saying the police spun the cranks, and then saw on the display it had done 47 kmh? And that was what they thought made it illegal?

in: “A horse has horsepower, but that doesn’t make it a car”: Bike brand tells cyclists to “know your rights” after police’s legal e-bike seizure fiasco; Closest photo finish ever?; Commie Games pursuit debacle; Tour de France Femmes + more on the live blog
FragileBoris 18 minutes ago

Barnards Green Road

in: Police say “Operation SNAP has become so successful” as they continue not to investigate close passes without being able to measure passing distances
FragileBoris 21 minutes ago

@Rendel Harris I don't know what stage the police got to, they didn't reply...

in: Police say “Operation SNAP has become so successful” as they continue not to investigate close passes without being able to measure passing distances
FragileBoris 24 minutes ago

I live there, I mean the hill that goes from Barnard's green to Great Malvern where the cars park on the RHS side of the road just before the road widens by Phillip serrels auction house

in: Police say “Operation SNAP has become so successful” as they continue not to investigate close passes without being able to measure passing distances
Rendel Harris 31 minutes ago

@chrisonabike You're just being silly there. Like they ever say sorry! Sodoff Not Attempting Prosecution perhaps.

in: Police say “Operation SNAP has become so successful” as they continue not to investigate close passes without being able to measure passing distances
mdavidford 45 minutes ago

They have highly relevant skills in chant detection and suppression. (The bobbies, not the bears.)

in: “Nanny state” hi-vis and helmet laws will discourage active travel, campaigners warn as Irish government signs off on new e-scooter rules amid claims illegal e-bikes causing “havoc”
mdavidford 48 minutes ago

An understandable mistake, since you say you're not familiar with English, but FYI, 'doesn't warrant' doesn't mean the same thing as 'I'm incapable of'.

in: Police say “Operation SNAP has become so successful” as they continue not to investigate close passes without being able to measure passing distances
Rendel Harris 50 minutes ago

@FragileBoris So you allegedly had video evidence that proved your father's innocence in the case, but rather than submit that you decided to try and use a loophole to which you'd been alerted of vexatiously demanding analysis of the cyclists' video. Why? Your excuse of withholding the video to use in a civil case against the cyclists is of course transparent nonsense, there is no reason you could not have used the video twice and furthermore had you attempted to bring such a case you would have been laughed out of court at the first opportunity, given that the police and CPS decided that there was sufficient evidence from the cyclists' camera submission to issue an FPN. Your story is as full of holes as a Swiss cheese in a mouse sanctuary.

in: Police say “Operation SNAP has become so successful” as they continue not to investigate close passes without being able to measure passing distances
perce 56 minutes ago

@FragileBoris The hill? If you'd ever been to Malvern you'd know there is more than one hill.

in: Police say “Operation SNAP has become so successful” as they continue not to investigate close passes without being able to measure passing distances

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