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Panorama’s ‘Road Rage: Cars v Bikes’ reaches the masses… with painfully predictable outcome (+ anti-cycling bingo tally); Quintana loses appeal against Tour DQ; View from the Netherlands; Pogačar v Vingegaard… on FIFA + more on the live blog

It’s Thursday and Dan Alexander is once again live blogging whilst intermittently stuffing dry newspaper into his shoes… thanks, British autumn weather…
  • by Dan Alexander
Thu, Nov 03, 2022 09:07
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SUMMARY

  • 'Road Rage: Cars v Bikes'... an anti-cycling bingo extravaganza...
  • The view from the Netherlands...
  • BBC Panorama's 'Road Rage: Cars v Bikes' reaches the masses (+ episode anti-cycling bingo tally)
  • Here we go again...
  • Tadej Pogačar v Jonas Vingegaard... on FIFA
  • Nairo Quintana loses appeal against Tour de France disqualification for tramadol infringement
  • Jay Vine signs for UAE Team Emirates
  • "My resounding thoughts are that it felt like a missed opportunity": Your views on Panorama
  • Confused Cav
  • Could you be our next tech writer?
  • Bristol City Council to debate how city can be made safer for cyclists
  • Police 'day of action' lands £8,000 haul of suspected stolen bikes
  • Have a good evening...
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3 November 2022, 09:07

'Road Rage: Cars v Bikes'... an anti-cycling bingo extravaganza...

The final tally #BBCPanorama pic.twitter.com/T7aHOM59Lm

— Elisabeth Anderson 🐺🌱 (@velobetty) November 2, 2022

Someone had to do it… 

I would suggest you could fill that board pretty quickly with some of the reaction going around this morning…

3 November 2022, 09:07

The view from the Netherlands...

Watching from the Netherlands, the UK looks like a different universe.

What causes this aggression?

Here in NL drivers are all cyclists too, tomorrow it could be you in the saddle – but surely it’s more complex than that? https://t.co/wwXJtUq3GK

— anna holligan 🎙 (@annaholligan) November 3, 2022

Here’s Dutch news from the cycle path’s Anna Holligan with her snapshot of how different cycling is in the Netherlands…

Sooo you watched @BBCPanorama – curious how life on a bike feels in the Netherlands…?

Here’s a taster, discreetly delivered during your Dutch news from the cycle path 😋#dnftcp

🚲🚲🚲🚲 🦎⚖️⚽️ pic.twitter.com/H9rQI18V8w

— anna holligan 🎙 (@annaholligan) November 3, 2022

3 November 2022, 09:07

BBC Panorama's 'Road Rage: Cars v Bikes' reaches the masses (+ episode anti-cycling bingo tally)

After a day of interest from mainly the cycling community, Panorama’s ‘Road Rage: Cars v Bikes’ went live on air at 8pm last night on BBC One, shooting it into the homes of many more viewers…

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BBC Panorama (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Perhaps painfully predictably the episode has attracted the usual reaction from those without Highway Code knowledge spouting falsehoods, and those who — whatever was broadcast — would still rant and rave about number plates, insurance, licences, red light jumping, two abreast riding and just about any other tediously boring anti-cycling buzzword.

Now, I should probably be more Chris Boardman about the whole thing…

> “Don’t give it air time. Don’t answer stupid questions”: Chris Boardman shuts down cycling registration ‘debate’

But part of the criticism of the episode from many is that it, not helped by that dreadfully culture-warring title, might legitimise people’s idea that cyclists are something to be against, and to dislike, and to spew about online or down the pub (rather than just another person, friend, colleague, family member). For that reason it seems important to mention that some people are saying stupid, things about cycling this morning…

*Feel free to skip this bit*

Cyclists who ride their bikes and obey the rules of the road are fine – but many seem to think that stopping at red traffic lights and stopping at a pedestrian crossing doesn’t apply to them, then complain when they get injured or injure someone else!! 😡😡😡😡😡

— AliHarrowell 💙 (@AlisonHarrowell) November 2, 2022

Just watched tonights show where the presenter was advocating for more cycle lanes and more considerate drivers.…….and promptly chose to ignore the cycle lane and cycle down the middle of the road!! pic.twitter.com/HJdtaqcmRO

— beefy (@beefy63) November 2, 2022 

Those are the take-home messages some took from an investigation into why, in an admittedly questionable survey, one-in-three said cyclists should not be on the road and a quarter admit deliberately driving too close. In true Rod Liddle style… yeah, but what about that one who jumped a red light in town on Tuesday? They need to be registered…

The tide wave of stupidity has started. #Panorama https://t.co/ZyIVduF83y

— MBTom (@MBTom_co_uk) November 2, 2022

Cycling should be encouraged but at the same time needs to be properly regulated #cycling #roadsafety #Panorama https://t.co/DFbQOwV2BK

— Nick Freeman (@TheMrLoophole) November 2, 2022 

3 November 2022, 09:07

Here we go again...

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3 November 2022, 09:07

Tadej Pogačar v Jonas Vingegaard... on FIFA

Pogačar and Vingegaard descend the Galibier on the way to their Tour-defining showdown on the Col du Granon (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
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Pogačar and Vingegaard descend the Galibier on the way to their Tour-defining showdown on the Col du Granon (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
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Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard, the new generation dominating the Tour de France, could be about to lock horns once again. Their latest competition won’t be a bike race across France, however, but instead quite possibly a FIFA World Championship for pro cyclists.

The popular football video game is seemingly played by more than a few of the men’s peloton, with Marc Hirschi, Alessandro Covi, Felix Großschartner, Diego Ulissi, Samuele Battistella, Vincenzo Nibali, Domenico Pozzovivo and Biniam Girmay amongst the riders who have already paid their €50 entry fee to the gaming showdown. The winner will take home a cool £1,000…

The tournament will be streamed on Twitch on 15 December and VeloNews is reporting Vingegaard’s agent has been approached to see if the Tour champ wants to put his FIFA reputation on the line…

3 November 2022, 09:07

Nairo Quintana loses appeal against Tour de France disqualification for tramadol infringement

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Nairo Quintana 2022 TDF (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
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Nairo Quintana has lost his Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) appeal against his disqualification from this year’s Tour de France for an infringement of the in-competition ban on tramadol. 

In a brief statement the UCI commented:

This decision reinforces the validity of the tramadol ban in the UCI Medical Regulations in order to protect the health and safety of riders. 

Quintana returned blood samples from two stages of the Tour de France which showed the presence of tramadol and its two main metabolites.

> World Anti-Doping Agency set to ban painkiller tramadol

 Infringements of the in-competition ban on using tramadol are offences under the UCI Medical Rules. They do not constitute anti-doping rule violations and are instead seen as necessary to protect riders’ health. Consequently Quintana was not suspended from competition, but did lose his sixth place and stage results.

3 November 2022, 09:07

Jay Vine signs for UAE Team Emirates

FIFA tournaments, route reveals and bike sponsor switches aside it’s the time of year for pro cycling transfers. Today’s big news is double Vuelta stage winner Jay Vine is off to be teammates with Tadej Pogačar next year at UAE Team Emirates…

✍️ We’re delighted to announce the signing of @JayVine3 🇦🇺 on a two-year deal.

Welcome Jay!

Full story👇https://t.co/geBmd6HmZc#UAETeamEmirates #WeAreUAE pic.twitter.com/Rw3TRI3lnv

— @UAE-TeamEmirates (@TeamEmiratesUAE) November 3, 2022

No sign yet if Vine will be given the João Almeida treatment and sent to the Giro/Vuelta to chase his own ambitions or if he’ll slot into Pogačar’s ever-improving GC line up…

Vine: “I’m really excited to be joining UAE Team Emirates. With their strong combination of riders and their GC experience, this was the next logical step in my career.

“I’m really grateful for the opportunities Alpecin has given me, and how they’ve helped me find my place in the peloton. I’m motivated for the new season with UAE, and eager to further refine my GC ambitions whilst helping the boys kick some goals.”

3 November 2022, 09:07

"My resounding thoughts are that it felt like a missed opportunity": Your views on Panorama

Let’s do some more of your reviews and thoughts…

pic.twitter.com/e5ZhjR1zjB

— Percy Vere (@Cer_Velo) November 3, 2022

Cartoon by TwistedDoodles…

peted76: “Watched it last night and my resounding thoughts are that it felt like a missed opportunity’ and ‘it could have been worse’…

“I was miffed that there wasn’t any mention of the economic benefits to cycling mentioned (less pressure on the NHS being a headline) and no focus on pollution as I could determine either. 

“It was a bit fluffy for what ‘should’ have been a more hard-hitting programme.”

Bungle_52 commented on Anna Holligan’s Tweet… “From the article: ‘Watching from the Netherlands, the UK looks like a different universe. What causes this aggression? Here in NL drivers are all cyclists too, tomorrow it could be you in the saddle — but surely it’s more complex than that?’

“I don’t think it is, it really is that simple.”

exilegareth was even more critical of the programme: “Just about everything about the programme was wrong […] If this was on Gbeebies, or Channel 5, you’d dismiss it out of hand as just another example of lowest common denominator TV, but this was publicly funded by a channel and programme strand that are supposed to exemplars of quality.”

BalladOfStruth: “I haven’t watched it (I doubt it’ll be good for my blood pressure), but it does seem that they’ve missed a very good opportunity to dispel some long-standing cycling myths.

“Seeing as the ‘trailer’ points out that 28 per cent of motorists don’t view cyclists as equal partners on the road, that 33 per cent don’t think cyclists should be on the road at all, and most of the replies on Twitter seem to start with some form of “iF cYclIsTS aCTuAllY PaID RoAD tAx!”, I can’t help but think that the BBC could have devoted at least some of the runtime setting the record straight on some topics.”

Here’s road.cc Simon’s in-depth look at the episode…

3 November 2022, 09:07

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3 November 2022, 09:07

Could you be our next tech writer?

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road.cc and our parent company F-At Digital is hiring again, and this time we’re looking for a knowledgeable and enthusiastic tech writer. If you love bikes and want to write about them for a living, this is the job for you…

You can find all the details here…

3 November 2022, 09:07

Bristol City Council to debate how city can be made safer for cyclists

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The BBC reports that councillors in Bristol are to debate how to make cyclists safer in the city following a petition signed by thousands calling for more bike lanes and secure storage.

> “Omnishambles” cycle lane fenced off just one week after opening

A full council meeting on 8 November will be the scene of the discussions, with campaigners calling for a comprehensive network of safe cycling routes, rather than “piecemeal” lanes.

“We feel there seems to be a retrograde step in the approach towards cycling,” chair of the Bristol Cycling Campaign Ian Pond said. “We have seen progress in Bristol with short sections of cycleways but they don’t join up very well.”

3 November 2022, 09:07

Police 'day of action' lands £8,000 haul of suspected stolen bikes

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The Daily Echo reports that police in Bournemouth recovered eight bicycles and one e-scooter, worth an estimated £8,400, during a ‘day of action’ along with Beryl bikes in the town centre last week.

> Three quarters of Brits don’t expect police to bother investigating bike thefts

The ‘mobile technology’ the force and Beryl deployed has not been reported, but constable Chris Lee said they had been able to “work with a partner in the private sector to utilise the latest technology and resulted in a significant number of suspected stolen items being recovered. I am grateful to Beryl for the assistance they have provided.” Mysterious.

Three teenagers are assisting officers with their enquiries as the investigation into the stolen bikes continues.

3 November 2022, 09:07

Have a good evening...

The live blog will be back same time and place tomorrow…

Until then enjoy this snap of an advent calendar errand with the perfect tool for the job…

Don’t think my kids follow me on Twitter so safe to post this! They adore these Lindt advent calendars which always sell out by mid November. Elderly lady in the small car park said “oh well done, you’ve saved me a parking space by coming on your bike”. YES, she gets it 🙌 pic.twitter.com/4F5IUe6tnV

— Mrs A (@MrsA4boys) November 2, 2022

You didn’t see that on Panorama, did you? 

3 November 2022, 09:07

Bianchi returns to WorldTour with Team Arkéa-Samsic – but those Air Deflectors are missing

Bianchi returns to WorldTour with Team Arkéa-Samsic – but those Air Deflectors are missing

French team will use Bianchi’s Reparto Corse collection, headlined by the new Oltre RC

3 November 2022, 09:07

The future of composites? New BioFiber bike wheels with "far lower CO2 footprint" are here

The future of composites? New BioFiber bike wheels with "far lower CO2 footprint" are here

Biofiber > carbon fibre? Dart promises its new wheels use "F1 grade" high-end technology, with the price starting at £3,500 a pair

3 November 2022, 09:07

Calls to ban lorries from Wiltshire village where seven-year-old was killed while riding her bike

Calls to ban lorries from Wiltshire village where seven-year-old was killed while riding her bike

Roads around Collingbourne Ducis described as being like the “wild west” due to volume of HGV traffic

3 November 2022, 09:07

Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham blasted after claiming there is a “growing debate” about compulsory hi-viz for cyclists

Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham blasted after claiming there is a “growing debate” about compulsory hi-viz for cyclists

Twitter users react as he also insists that giving more road space to cyclists means they have greater obligations

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Dan Alexander
Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he’s not working you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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52 thoughts on “Panorama’s ‘Road Rage: Cars v Bikes’ reaches the masses… with painfully predictable outcome (+ anti-cycling bingo tally); Quintana loses appeal against Tour DQ; View from the Netherlands; Pogačar v Vingegaard… on FIFA + more on the live blog”

  1. Sriracha
    November 3, 2022 at 9:41 am
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    Is there nothing in the BBC
    Is there nothing in the BBC Charter that prohibits them peddling lies? Knowingly pursuing discredited statistical methodologies and then using the results to frame the debate, in a flagship factual programme, is criminal. I’m sick of hearing presenters trot out the line, “Obviously this isn’t a scientific survey, but our results suggest…”

    They might as well scribe a range of opinions on coloured cards, ask a five year old to pick their favourite colour, then use the result to inform the debate.

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    • hawkinspeter
      November 3, 2022 at 9:50 am
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      Sriracha wrote:

      Is there nothing in the BBC Charter that prohibits them peddling lies? Knowingly pursuing discredited statistical methodologies and then using the results to frame the debate, in a flagship factual programme, is criminal. I’m sick of hearing presenters trot out the line, “Obviously this isn’t a scientific survey, but our results suggest…” They might as well scribe a range of opinions on coloured cards, ask a five year old to pick their favourite colour, then use the result to inform the debate.

      — Sriracha

      The BBC doesn’t seem too interested in quality investigative journalism these days and instead they just go for cheap and easy productions.

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      • bobbinogs
        November 3, 2022 at 11:19 am
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        There is always a connundrum

        There is always a connundrum for the BBC, go for popular or go for quality/unpopular.  If one looks at their “Top programmes trending” then it is clear to see that the public likes absolute trash and there is nothing considered too low brow to be popular.  If the BBC goes back to the ‘quality’ days then I fear they risk alienating the masses…and then get criticised for being elitist.

        People often say that they don’t watch the BBC because it isn’t as good as it was, but the BBC does have big audiences…just not for the stuff that people used to watch, because those folks are dying off (literally).

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        • hawkinspeter
          November 3, 2022 at 11:24 am
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          bobbinogs wrote:

          There is always a connundrum for the BBC, go for popular or go for quality/unpopular.  If one looks at their “Top programmes trending” then it is clear to see that the public likes absolute trash and there is nothing considered too low brow to be popular.  If the BBC goes back to the ‘quality’ days then I fear they risk further alienating the young/old/people…and then get criticised for being elitist.

          People often say that they don’t watch the BBC because it isn’t as good as it was, but the BBC does have big audiences…just not for the stuff that people used to watch, because those folks are dying off (literally).

          — bobbinogs

          I don’t think audiences are necessarily dumbing down, but are probably more discerning nowadays with the increased choice. If you look at the really successful series on subscription services such as Netflix, you’ll see extremely high quality writing and acting and I think they’re starting to replace films as a well produced series gives the story a lot more time and space to develop. The BBC is finding it tough to compete with those kinds of series as they’re expensive to produce and they definitely benefit from being continually available, so if someone recommends “Severance” (on Apple TV), a person can then go and watch the whole series. That’s trickier to do with the BBC even despite iPlayer.

          I think the BBC is now being used as a kind of between-tv service – you switch over to it when you don’t want to focus on a deep and convoluted story and just want some relaxing nonsense.

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          • ktache
            November 3, 2022 at 11:02 pm
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            I hope you are not counting

            I hope you are not counting BBC2 and 4 in that, still some very good stuff. A shame that BBC4 will become repeat only, some of its original programming was exceptional.

          • hawkinspeter
            November 3, 2022 at 11:30 pm
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            ktache wrote:

            I hope you are not counting BBC2 and 4 in that, still some very good stuff. A shame that BBC4 will become repeat only, some of its original programming was exceptional.

            — ktache

            I can’t say that I watch much BBC at all these days. What programmes do you recommend?

          • mark1a
            November 4, 2022 at 12:46 am
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

            I hope you are not counting BBC2 and 4 in that, still some very good stuff. A shame that BBC4 will become repeat only, some of its original programming was exceptional.

            — hawkinspeter

            I can’t say that I watch much BBC at all these days. What programmes do you recommend?

            — ktache

            Beeb show some excellent music documentaries on 2 & 4, two I can think of are “Five Years” earlier this year about Bowie from end of Ziggy Stardust to Ashes to Ashes via Berlin-era Heroes, and (much older) “Synth Britannia” part of a wider “% Britannia” series. Don’t think they’re on iPlayer anymore but worth a YouTube search. That said Sky Arts are doing more of similar. 

          • hawkinspeter
            November 4, 2022 at 9:36 am
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            mark1a wrote:

            Beeb show some excellent music documentaries on 2 & 4, two I can think of are “Five Years” earlier this year about Bowie from end of Ziggy Stardust to Ashes to Ashes via Berlin-era Heroes, and (much older) “Synth Britannia” part of a wider “% Britannia” series. Don’t think they’re on iPlayer anymore but worth a YouTube search. That said Sky Arts are doing more of similar. 

            — mark1a

            I do like a bit of Bowie – I’m downloading Five Years now. I couldn’t find it on iPlayer.

    • exilegareth
      November 3, 2022 at 10:03 am
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      Just about everything about

      Just about everything about the programme was wrong. Start with the journo presenting it – not a transport specialist, or a correspondent with expertise in space and movement, but a tepid generalist with a background in crime and clickbait. Yes, he’s a cyclist, but that’s not enough when there are real transport correspondents out there.

      Then there’s the choice of talking heads. Rod Liddle? The man is a washed up failure, unwelcome in the respectable or selfrespecting media because of his track record of joking about his potential penchant for child sexual abuse, misogyny, his racism and, as the icing on the cake, using piano wire against cyclists. 

      Then, as we’ll all point out, there’s the methodology, framing the debate via the prism of a survey of a self selected panel of motorists who were offered an incentive to participate. If you read this, Richard Bilton, there aren’t degrees of quality for a survey. It’s either reliable (because of methodology and analysis applied) or it’s not, and reputable journalists don’t use unreliable surveys.

      If this was on Gbeebies, or Channel 5, you’d dismiss it out of hand as just another example of lowest common denominator TV, but this was publicly funded by a channel and programme strand that are supposed to exemplars of quality.

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      • Awavey
        November 3, 2022 at 8:29 pm
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        I dont think you have to be a

        I dont think you have to be a transport specialist to present it, the idea is surely you have those as your talking heads, not the likes of Rod Liddle who Ill have to listen to the podcast to hear why they picked him, its like literally oh we got him because the producer still has his mobile phone number from his R4 days.

        you just need a bit of passion for the topic and to have a clear story you are telling, not just a collection of random clips and interviews. How does Cycling Mikeys bit fit in with the guy in Ashby de la Zouche, or the two widows, whats the narrative you are telling/investigating for the audience, and the conclusion they should be taking away from it.

        It was all kind of trying to hard to be so “balanced” it never concluded anything, I dont know if thats common for Panorama these days I stopped watching it decades ago…probably because I thought it had gone too much like this.

        Also why wasnt Jeremy Vine doing this, I thought he was on the Panorama team as thats what got him into trouble as being part of the “news team” for being impartial on the Chiswick bike lane stuff.

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        • Rendel Harris
          November 3, 2022 at 9:36 pm
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          Awavey wrote:

          Also why wasnt Jeremy Vine doing this, I thought he was on the Panorama team as thats what got him into trouble as being part of the “news team” for being impartial on the Chiswick bike lane stuff.

          — Awavey

          He quit Panorama in 2015; he got a mild telling off this year for breaching impartiality when facing down a group of Facebook anti-Chiswick-LTN bullies, but that was related to his role as a Radio 2 presenter.

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    • BalladOfStruth
      November 3, 2022 at 10:22 am
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      I haven’t watched it (I doubt

      I haven’t watched it (I doubt it’ll be good for my blood pressure), but it does seem that they’ve missed a very good opportunity to dispel some long-standing cycling myths. Seeing as the “trailer” points out that 28% of motorists don’t view cyclists as equal partners on the road, that 33% don’t think cyclists should be on the road at all, and most of the replies on Twitter seem to start with some form of “iF cYclIsTS aCTuAllY PaID RoAD tAx!”, I can’t help but think that the BBC could have devoted at least some of the runtime setting the record straight on some topics.

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      • brooksby
        November 3, 2022 at 10:58 am
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        BalladOfStruth wrote:

        I haven’t watched it (I doubt it’ll be good for my blood pressure), but it does seem that they’ve missed a very good opportunity to dispel some long-standing cycling myths…. I can’t help but think that the BBC could have devoted at least some of the runtime setting the record straight on some topics.

        — BalladOfStruth

        Yes, but that wouldn’t be “balanced”, would it?  The BBC would be criticised for woke-left-green bias if they actually did that.

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      • Sriracha
        November 3, 2022 at 11:22 am
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        I don’t necessarily see it as
        I don’t necessarily see it as the role of this programme to “improve” the public, rather I would assume it was designed to throw light on the current state of affairs and hence inform the debate. Given that, I don’t think they would be expected to challenge views such as “iF cYclIsTS aCTuAllY PaID RoAD tAx!”, only to accurately describe their prevalence.

        The issue I have with their “statistics” is that all they do is promulgate prejudiced views, feeding the perception that they hold currency and legitimacy. That then blows the whole debate off course, whilst giving succour to those who hold those views.

        The light entertainment show “Pointless” has more statistical rigour than this Panorama show, and I think it’s title is a knowing nod even to their own worthlessness.

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        • BalladOfStruth
          November 3, 2022 at 12:13 pm
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          Sriracha wrote:

          I don’t necessarily see it as the role of this programme to “improve” the public, rather I would assume it was designed to throw light on the current state of affairs and hence inform the debate.

          — Sriracha

          I get where you’re coming from, but as a “factual” news program if they have (and again, I didn’t watch it, but going from the bingo card above) given airtime to a commenter who has said that cyclists don’t pay for the roads, only cars do, or that cyclists cause congestion/pollution, I do believe that it is their responsibiliy to point out that these statements are not factually accurate – like they’d fact-check a political debate.

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      • efail
        November 3, 2022 at 1:54 pm
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        BalladOfStruth wrote:

        I haven’t watched it (I doubt it’ll be good for my blood pressure), but it does seem that they’ve missed a very good opportunity to dispel some long-standing cycling myths. Seeing as the “trailer” points out that 28% of motorists don’t view cyclists as equal partners on the road, that 33% don’t think cyclists should be on the road at all, and most of the replies on Twitter seem to start with some form of “iF cYclIsTS aCTuAllY PaID RoAD tAx!”, I can’t help but think that the BBC could have devoted at least some of the runtime setting the record straight on some topics.

        — BalladOfStruth

        I think the oppourtunity the BBC missed, was when they say “28 % (motorists) don’t think of us as equals” and ” 33% we shouldn’t be on the road”, should have said, “72% think of us as equals” and “67% think we should be on the road”. Putting the numbers that way makes it positive for cycling and  then poses the question about a minority of poor drivers. We always seem to be defending cyclings position when it’s the aggressive car drivers that should be ‘trying’ to defend theirs.

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      • Awavey
        November 3, 2022 at 8:30 pm
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        I was 4mins in,even before

        I was 4mins in,even before Rod Liddle had turned up and I was ready to switch it off.

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    • Steve K
      November 3, 2022 at 10:55 am
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      Sriracha wrote:

      Is there nothing in the BBC Charter that prohibits them peddling lies? Knowingly pursuing discredited statistical methodologies and then using the results to frame the debate, in a flagship factual programme, is criminal. I’m sick of hearing presenters trot out the line, “Obviously this isn’t a scientific survey, but our results suggest…” They might as well scribe a range of opinions on coloured cards, ask a five year old to pick their favourite colour, then use the result to inform the debate.

      — Sriracha

      ‘Balance’ is prioritised over facts and evidence.

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    • Rakia
      November 3, 2022 at 10:57 am
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      Anything which is presented

      Anything which is presented as a “them vs us” football-style confrontation is going to be bad for cyclists’s safety, regardless of the actual program content, as it gets people’s blood pressure up. If you are relieved at the content, you can guarantee that someone with the opposing view is angry, as it is all subjective.

      I have never hear of Rod Liddle, but I think he has as much right to speak as anyone else on the subject. There are no experts on this, and pointing to Europe is not a good model because these are the low growth economies falling behind the rest of the world. Why copy this failure, correct?

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      • Miller
        November 3, 2022 at 11:08 am
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        Rakia wrote:

        I have never hear of Rod Liddle, but I think he has as much right to speak as anyone else on the subject. 

        — Rakia

        If you knew anything about him you would not think that. But hey, don’t let ignorance stop you pronouncing on the world.

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        • Flintshire Boy
          November 3, 2022 at 2:11 pm
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          .

          .

          I love free speach, me.

          .

          But only if you agree with me. Obvs.

          .

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          • Hirsute
            November 3, 2022 at 2:22 pm
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            Since you believe in Free

            Since you believe in Free Speech take some time to reply this this repeated request.

            https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-21-october-2022-296747

            In that thread you replied to be with

            “Please, please, please. Do not let inconvenient facts get in the way of blind leftie ranting.”

            Are you going to explain this comment as no one in the thread even mentioned anything left wing.

             

            Oh and can you reconcile your claim above of

            “I love free speach, me.”

            with

            ” Do not let inconvenient facts get in the way of blind leftie ranting.”

          • AlsoSomniloquism
            November 3, 2022 at 2:34 pm
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            Did you not complain the

            Did you not complain the other day that the CEO was condescending to you. Wasn’t that his Free “Speach” at play? And surely it is Millers free “speach” that you are not picking up on?

      • brooksby
        November 3, 2022 at 11:13 am
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        https://road.cc/content/news

        https://road.cc/content/news/214626-sunday-times-rod-liddle-wasnt-condoning-%E2%80%98dooring%E2%80%99-cyclists-%E2%80%93-he-was-just-using-

        https://road.cc/content/news/liddle-tempting-use-piano-wire-against-cyclists-273749

        And that’s just in the realm of cycling…

        Then we get onto 

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Liddle#Later_print_journalism

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        • Hirsute
          November 3, 2022 at 11:56 am
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          They are just the latest

          They are just the latest troll to (re)join road.cc

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      • HarrogateSpa
        November 3, 2022 at 11:56 am
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        There are no experts on this,

        There are no experts on this, and pointing to Europe is not a good model because these are the low growth economies falling behind the rest of the world. Why copy this failure, correct?

        You’re Liz Truss and I claim my £5. Sorry it didn’t work out.

        (By the way most European countries have higher growth than the UK).

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      • BalladOfStruth
        November 3, 2022 at 12:08 pm
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        Rakia wrote:

        Anything which is presented as a “them vs us” football-style confrontation is going to be bad for cyclists’s safety, regardless of the actual program content, as it gets people’s blood pressure up.

        — Rakia

        I don’t disagree with this. The program should have been lead by facts and statistics, and greivences and veiws (from both sides) should have been fact-checked. Allowing myths to be perpetuated does nobody any favours.

        There are no experts on this, and pointing to Europe is not a good model because these are the low growth economies falling behind the rest of the world. Why copy this failure, correct?

        — Rakia

        No, not correct. This makes no fucking sense whatsoever. What has a country’s road safety/active-travel record got to do with it’s economic growth? Are you actually suggesting that we copy (for example) India’s approach to road safety because they’re one of the fastest growing economies? Because they have the most dangerous/unsafe roads in the world and copying them would be, objectively, stupid as fuck.

        And what do you mean “there are no experts on this”? What, active-travel? Road safety? Of course there are!

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      • chrisonabike
        November 3, 2022 at 1:14 pm
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        Brief benefit of the doubt

        Brief benefit of the doubt that you’re not just having another happy day of provoking people “because”… I also disapprove of “them vs. us” narratives.  However this is everywhere * – probably because it makes for “salient storytelling” (same as with bed-time stories for kids) and the competition for public attention now is fierce.  Unfortunately I think the “war on the roads” stereotype (it’s actually the tail-end of a massacre) is already widely circulating so although further reinforcement is unwelcome it’s not going to change much.

        “All subjective” – hmm… you don’t believe that there is really a world out there?  Are there no such thing as shared verifiable facts?  Or maybe that is irrelevant as opinion is what we run on?  “No experts” – are you Michael Gove?

        There are in fact experts in this area (here’s one – and some more!) and they broadly agree.  Differences in how we approach our public space design aren’t really due to factual disagreements.  The key is where we (our political and bureaucractic systems) place the priorities.  In the UK these are explicitly to maximise capacity for motor traffic and then look at maintaining a level of safety while doing that.  This leads to “keep the pedestrians out of the carriageway” and putting a minimal fraction of the road budget into walking, cycling (or indeed disabled access).  That’s very common in many countries.  A few have started to move in a different direction however.

        I’m not at all clear about what “pointing to Europe is not a good model because these are the low growth economies falling behind the rest of the world” means.  Anyway, let’s watch some of them doing so – it looks good to me:

        What defines Dutch cycling? (2)

        Copenhagen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyrTx9SXkVI

        Seville: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz20rAJ7oIg

        * Programs looking at the facts of the matter are rather niche and normally limited to special interest channels e.g. history and education.  Even then to spice those up we increasingly like to frame the narrative around personal conflict.  Even worse there are few examples where the reasons for genuine disagreement are properly examined.  Possibly due to the notion that “it’s all relative”.  It seems our broadcasters feel that there’s a general lack of trust so we’ve lost the ability to ignore some red-faced man (it very often is) shouting in the internet market square saying e.g. that gravity is just a lie made up by the deep state.

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      • andystow
        November 3, 2022 at 4:32 pm
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        Rakia wrote:

        I have never hear of Rod Liddle, but I think he has as much right to speak as anyone else on the subject. There are no experts on this, and pointing to Europe is not a good model because these are the low growth economies falling behind the rest of the world.

        — Rakia

        Has this spread from the US to wherever Rakia lives?

        “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

        – Isaac Asimov

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    • eburtthebike
      November 3, 2022 at 12:12 pm
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      Sriracha wrote:

      Is there nothing in the BBC Charter that prohibits them peddling lies?

      — Sriracha

      Yes, and in their Editorial Guidelines too, but such trifling rules are ignored.  For instance, they have been running a long term propaganda campaign about helmets for something like 40 years, and endless complaints change nothing.

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  2. essexian
    November 3, 2022 at 10:09 am
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    I wonder what the BBC would

    I wonder what the BBC would make of this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/girl-seven-died-after-cycling-into-hgv-outside-wiltshire-home-inquest-hears

    Why on Earth do we let lorries of that size on country roads?

     

    Poor child, poor family. 

     

     

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    • Secret_squirrel
      November 3, 2022 at 11:39 am
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      essexian wrote:

      I wonder what the BBC would make of this:

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/girl-seven-died-after-cycling-into-hgv-outside-wiltshire-home-inquest-hears

      Why on Earth do we let lorries of that size on country roads?

       

      Poor child, poor family. 

      — essexian

      Its a tragic death but not necessarily one that should cause any major changes.   The fact of the matter is the poor kid lost control and ended up on a major road.  The article is clear on the point that the driver was not at fault and doing approx 12mph at the time.

      Accidents are sometimes genuinely that.

      And to be clear – this is a country A road – not a country lane.

      One solution to this problem might be to build a bypass – is that what would be best though?

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  3. Bungle_52
    November 3, 2022 at 10:32 am
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    From the article :

    From the article :

    “Watching from the Netherlands, the UK looks like a different universe. What causes this aggression? Here in NL drivers are all cyclists too, tomorrow it could be you in the saddle – but surely it’s more complex than that?”

    I don’t think it is, it really is that simple.

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    • Simon E
      November 3, 2022 at 2:37 pm
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      Bungle_52 wrote:

      From the article :

      “Watching from the Netherlands, the UK looks like a different universe. What causes this aggression? Here in NL drivers are all cyclists too, tomorrow it could be you in the saddle – but surely it’s more complex than that?”

      I don’t think it is, it really is that simple.

      — Bungle_52

      I suspect there’s more to it that. Perhaps compare the mainstream media in NL with UK.

      Daily Mail, Telegraph and others regularly publish what we might call ‘anti-cyclist bingo’, both opinion and editorial. The BBC has done its share of harm, and not just via news and current affairs programmes.

      Are their popular media outlets the same? I doubt it.

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  4. peted76
    November 3, 2022 at 10:47 am
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    Watched it last night and my

    Watched it last night and my resounding thoughts are that it felt like a missed opportunity’ and ‘it could have been worse’..

    I was miffed that there wasn’t any mention of the economic benefits to cycling mentioned (less pressure on the NHS being a headline) and no focus on pollution as I could determine either. 

    It was a bit fluffy for what ‘should’ have been a more hard hitting programme.

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  5. cooper85m
    November 3, 2022 at 11:32 am
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    I had was involved in an RTA

    I had was involved in an RTA/C 3 years ago and I am still not right. I have 1 or 2 good days in a month and the rest I am sore. My story, the driver hit me from behind, on the drivers side, i came off of my bike – ass first into her windshield, hit her bonnet with left shoulder and rolled onto the road (possibly head first, due to injuries sustained). I wasn’t on the road the whole journey, i used the road to move to the other path/s. I musst note that the driver hit me at 50+ mph

    My injuries… damaged spine, knee, head injuries and damaged shoulder. Required 26 stitches and super glue for my head (wasn’t wearing a helmet as was on the paths). I am still hurting and will probably still bee this bad in another 3 years.

    No compensation, bike was lost by police (evidence to prove fault), no follow up by the police either. LIVID! 

    But I am a cyclist, why should they care!

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    • eburtthebike
      November 3, 2022 at 12:08 pm
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      Were you a member of CUK or

      Were you a member of CUK or BC?  I’m sure they would have helped; CUK were brilliant when I’ve been knocked off.

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  6. HarrogateSpa
    November 3, 2022 at 11:34 am
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    ‘paid their €50 entry fee to

    ‘paid their €50 entry fee to the gaming showdown. The winner will take home a cool £1,000…’

    If Liz Truss were still PM, the prize could be worth less than the entry fee.

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  7. henryb
    November 3, 2022 at 11:54 am
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    Not much analysis in the

    Not much analysis in the programme of what to do next. It’s unsustainable for us as a country to continue with everyone driving around in climate-change-contributing metal boxes. Some way needs to be found to increase the proportion of journeys made by bicycle, and for this to be an attractive option for people.

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  8. Fignon's ghost
    November 3, 2022 at 12:04 pm
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    With the cost of fuel being
    With the cost of fuel being exacerbated by even higher interest rates. No doubt, cycling is the future of short term travel.

    We’ll look at this Panorama film in 10 years time and most of the population will ridicule the ignorance of the motor vehicle user.

    Do you need a car to get around?

    That wave of European sentiment will wash over these islands. It’s inevitable.

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  9. nniff
    November 3, 2022 at 12:18 pm
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    So, this morning; it’s

    So, this morning; it’s tipping down. I’ve fixed the camera, but I can’t remember how long the battery lasts, so it’s on test.  I’m on the third hill of the morning’s ‘ride to work at home’.  It’s a narrow lane, slightly wider than single track, but cars have to stop to squeeze past each other and a passing car is always a close pass in either direction.  There’s a car behind me.  There’s no sight line for the car to pass, so I’m not squeezing up to the hedge.  No matter, the driver can’t wait and forces their way past.  Then two cars come the other way.  The driver has three choices.  1) Stop and have an awkward eyeballing moment with the other driver and still be behind me.  2) Drive into the car coming the other way and take the insurance claim.  3) Punt me into the hedge and drive off.  No prizes for guessing which. 

    The first driver coming the other way just drives off too.  The second has stopped and asks if I’m OK and calls the other driver a lunatic.  The final pisser?  The camera stopped 10 minutes earlier.  Battery life = 2 hours 35 minutes.  

    I did not break a speed limit or jump a red light.  I have bright lights and reflectives.  I’m insured.  There are no cycle lanes here.  I pay ‘road tax’ for a car that I mostly use less than my bike.  I possess a licence to drive cars, and various other motorised vehicles.  

    No, I’m not going to tell my wife – I’m already on sufferance after being totally demolished in London last year and spending 9 hours strapped to a board in A&E.  Tell me again about public rights of way, due care and attention, dangerous driving and conscious action to assault a third party.  I’m all ears.

    P.S. no harm done to me or the bike, but happy I am not.

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    • Cycloid
      November 3, 2022 at 2:20 pm
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      They never go for the head on

      They never go for the head on collision, but always involve you in their “accident”.

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      • nniff
        November 3, 2022 at 5:27 pm
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        I’ve just been depressing

        I’ve just been depressing myself by totting up the tally of getting up close and personal with the tarmac.

        It now stands at:

        2 Hit and Run.  One failed prosecution (driver had an alias); bike beaten up and insurance paid.  The other – no harm.

        1 left hook.  Driver no licence.  Car insured.  Drove over front wheel of bike, cut fingers.  No police action.  Insurance paid for bike. Didn’t bother with the fingers.  The passenger in the car tried to claim for whiplash.  Video showed otherwise.

        1 due care, T-bone from the right.  On a cycle superhighway.  No police action. Insured.  Bike written off, 9 hours in A&E.  Bike paid for, still waiting for injuries.

        1 pothole on a roundabout.  Scrapes and bruises.  Pothole filled two days later

        1 operator error – all my own work on a tightening, descending bend.  Road rash. 

        That excludes the years of London commuting and recreational close passes.

        I think that sort of thing came across well in Panorama…

        My wife has got a point……3 trips to A&E. 

         

        PS – this is over 45,000 miles ps (post strava).  Noting much that I recall bs (before strava)

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        • AlsoSomniloquism
          November 3, 2022 at 4:52 pm
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          Not something I like talking

          Not something I like talking about as like the P-word, they happen if you think it has been awhile since one happened. However in the 5 years and 22k milles of my cycling, 

          One hit and run on an island. Have posted the video before. 
          One dooring. Buckled the front wheel.
          One operator error. Decided to try the slightly off-road route instead of walking down the steps to get back on the canal after swapping sides and it was slightly muddy.
          Several clipout failures.
          One icy right turn at some lights when the council decided -5 overnight was not gritting weather. 
          And the recent – One slippy tow path side of canal in Brindley Place. I was only doing 8mph approaching a bridge when a woman appeared with her dog. I touched my brakes and the back wheel locked and slid out. I didn’t move forward any further but the bike was facing back the way I had come. Those paths are really slippy.

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          • andystow
            November 3, 2022 at 7:02 pm
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            Hmm, seven years and 45000

            Hmm, seven years and 45000 miles, I’ve got:

            One hit and run from a pickup truck driver who ran a stop sign, no injury or damage, basically shoulder-checked the bed of the truck.

            About five falls caused by me that injured me enough to require more than a plaster, usually being silly going too fast on gravel, snow or ice. One from turning onto a gravel road from a paved road at about 30 MPH nearly required stitches, but the doctor ended up just taping it shut. One destroyed a helmet when something went between my front wheel and mudguard and stopped the wheel instantly. The steerer actually pivoted more than 360° and ripped out some of the derailleur and brake cables.

            Maybe ten minor falls, again usually me being silly, no injury or bike damage worth mentioning. I suspect 25 years of judo is both causing and helping make up for a lack of fear while I’m riding.

            Edit: one water balloon thrown at me and two others cycling together at night, missed.

    • polainm
      November 3, 2022 at 7:57 pm
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      You have the Right to use the

      You have the Right to use the public highway on foot, horse or bicycle. A driver needs a licence to operate their machine on the public highway, but only if they adhere to the Highway Code. So why is it then, that the police/CPS/judge fail so regularly to remove sociopath drivers from the highway? Is it a special club?

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  10. Hirsute
    November 3, 2022 at 2:12 pm
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    Please don’t feed the trolls,

    Please don’t feed the trolls, it is making the site worse again.

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  11. mattw
    November 3, 2022 at 2:15 pm
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    Catching up with the Panorama

    Catching up with the Panorama.

    I think it told a reasonable version of the story and communicated it clearly, which is unusual for Panorama recently.

    Clearly rather cherry picked for sensation eg in the selection of CycleMikey clips, but that’s our media.

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  12. JustTryingToGetFromAtoB
    November 3, 2022 at 5:17 pm
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    Two black ice fails, one
    Two black ice fails, one definitely my fault for going too tight on a corner.
    One autumn sludge slip on a badly maintained bike path.
    One river side gravel tumble. A nasty deep wound to my knee with that one. Amazingly, as I slowly made my way back home, a car left hooked me as we both set off as the lights went green… on a lane that you can’t legally turn left at.
    Once hit by a Uber that pulled out of a car park without looking. Amazingly not injured, I pulled a truly fantastic slide so I hit him side on. It was actually worth it to see the look on his face. I wish someone had filmed it.
    Bus pulled out as I was alongside it. In fairness to the driver he was horrified, and I think he will be a better driver in future.

    Just two weeks ago a car overtook a car at a give way to move into the main road, 10cm from my wheel.
    Once during a close pass the passenger reached out to hit my arse. I don’t know how I stayed upright.

    Other close passes are to many to mention, I think my lack of serious injury is that I mainly cycle urban and traffic is too congested.

    Let’s not list the verbal abuse.

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  13. polainm
    November 3, 2022 at 7:51 pm
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    Take a look at the definition

    Take a look at the definition of ‘sociopath’ and you’ll be reading the description of at least a third of UK drivers. Instead of the same old media garbage doing the cycle haters bingo, why not research ‘why’ so many drivers become sociopaths behind the wheel of a potential killing machine? If I needed to employ someone I’d just ask them to drive me across town. I’d learn what their true traits are. But ‘why’?

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  14. Rome73
    November 4, 2022 at 7:31 am
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    that’s a nice silver HSD MrsA

    that’s a nice silver HSD MrsA has. I’ve not seen a silver one before. 

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  15. steaders1
    November 4, 2022 at 7:34 am
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    This country has long since

    This country has long since gone to seed and is now full of people who have the attitude that everything revolves around them and them only. It started years ago with things like “I must reserve a sun bed” on holiday and has evolved into “its my road get the fuck off it” The UK and the evolution of man have produced tossers,  all of them tossers

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60somethingcyclist 10 hours ago

@chrisonabike True, things went back to normal once the pandemic was over. In this case, however the problems are still ongoing, and aren't likely to be resolved in the near future. If anything, they're going to get worse. Food shortages are predicted because of the effect that the heatwave has had on crops. This is bound to push prices up. The Straits of Hormuz aren't likely to reopen anytime soon and the strategic oil reserves are running low. Russia is having to import petrol because its own refineries have been badly hit, so that's even more competition for an even more scarce resource. I think that more and more people are going to see cycling as a way of cutting household bills.

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chrisonabike 11 hours ago

I think if "grown up" cyclists * are quibbling about ASLs we've very much missed the road safety point anyway. (Not to mention the wider "better transport choices" picture). ASLs are poor-to-useless "cycling infra", even for their design intent. If the idea is "for less confident cyclists" then a design that requires that you re-position in front of the motor traffic - waiting to accelerate - seems unhelpful. Of course they're only designed to help when traffic is stopped, and you can reach the front in time and if vehicles aren't already occupying them. As we're noting here drivers frequently ignore them - whether that be deliberate, a lack of road craft, because they were concentrating on following the vehicle in front, or because the paint has rubbed off. * Aside: shouldn't cycling also be safe and accessible for kids? Or should they only be allowed to do this when accompanied by sufficient qualified adults? Or be limited to parks and otherwise being driven around by their carers? Perhaps there is another way...?

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Ben Graham 13 hours ago

Hi Bungle, I saw you follow-up comment. I can't imaging there's a tolerance of 4 seconds on camera enforced lights, seems an odd decision - an offence is committed if a vehicle starts crossing on a red, any tolerance is discretionary. There does seem to be some odd thinking about 'advanced stop lines' where the rules relating to them are identical to a regular stop line, as explained correctly elsewhere in the Highway Code. It does seem a regular offence. Where I live it doesn't help that some of them are very faint and disappear in rain.

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Rendel Harris 13 hours ago

@ktache Not sure he's totally ruled out of the worlds yet (though I think it would be best if he doesn't), normal recovery time is about eight weeks but surgery can halve that...depending on the nature of the break he could be just about fit to ride by the time of the elite men's race, but he'll have missed a lot of training. Hopefully his managers and team will persuade him to wait until Lombardia, if not just to knock it off for the rest of the year.

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Rendel Harris 14 hours ago

@Bungle_52 The Met told me a couple of years ago when rejecting a submission that they needed a clear three seconds of red visible before they would consider it for an RLJ prosecution. I pointed out to them that this meant that at 30 mph a driver could see a light change to red from 40 metres away and still get through without sanction, or 55 m if they accelerated to 40 as most do. They just replied "them's our rules..."

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Bungle_52 15 hours ago

@Ben Graham I have just checked the footage from my report. The driver crosses the 1st stop line 4 seconds after the light turns red. All on camera from behind the vehicle. No further action. So I assume the margin is at least 4 seconds.

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chrisonabike 15 hours ago

Oh, and active travel funding per head (in England at least) is laughable compared to other places. Plus it is delivered intermittently. It's more like a Blue Peter contest...

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chrisonabike 15 hours ago

Yup, I see those opportunities being missed all the time in Edinburgh. When it gets really bad, dig it all up and put it back down again how it was. Contrast with what seems to happen in NL - when things are dug up the whole thing seems to get a "let's redo this according to the current standards" treatment. They even coordinate with the utilities, so that after a refurb the street isn't immediately dug up again because of leaking pipes / we suddenly realised the new estate being planned for round the corner will want broadband etc. Pros and cons of course - you may wait longer there for changes as smaller changes may be deferred until a major redo is due. (Though in the UK case you likely wouldn't get them at all...) It seems we "can't have nice things" in the UK in part because a) we have greater motor traffic speeds/volumes spead across "streets" / within urban areas b) the funding and organisational responsibility differs. Are we in the "Sam Vimes boots" territory (being too poor to afford better products which not only save money over time but actually work)? There is long term money pressure on LAs and it seems that due to poor construction and maintenance we have to regularly pour money into (pot-)holes in the road. And it seems there's no budget to check up on or enforce adequate standards from utilities work or even private building.

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ktache 16 hours ago

Shame about the world champs defence. Speedy recovery. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2026/aug/30/tadej-pogacar-vuelta-a-espana-cycling-crash-hospital-stage-nine

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mdavidford 18 hours ago

I believe the accepted form for this kind of argument is "I know you are, you said you were, but what am I?".

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