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Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham blasted after claiming there is a “growing debate” about compulsory hi-viz for cyclists

Twitter users react as he also insists that giving more road space to cyclists means they have greater obligations

Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Burnham has claimed there is a “growing debate” around making it compulsory for cyclists to wear high-visibility clothing – and has also implied that part of the cost of having more road space set aside for cycle lanes is that people on bikes need to take on more responsibility.

The Labour politician’s remarks, made during a phone-in on BBC Radio Manchester earlier today, have been criticised on social media not only by cycling campaigners, but also by roads police officers.

Highway Code Rule 59 does not require cyclists to wear hi-viz clothing, nor does it say they “should” do, simply stating that “Light-coloured or fluorescent clothing can help other road users to see you in daylight and poor light, while reflective clothing and/or accessories (belt, arm or ankle bands) can increase your visibility in the dark.”

But one caller to today’s radio phone-in, a taxi driver named Dave from Harpurhey who also said he cycles, told Burnham: “I can’t understand why it’s not compulsory to wear hi-viz when cycling.”

In response, the Mayor said: “There is a growing debate. If more road space is to be given it follows that more obligation is given on users too.”

While there may occasionally be calls for cyclists to have to wear hi-vis clothing – and to be registered or licenced, take out compulsory third party insurance cover, and wear helmets – many would consider that calling it a “growing debate” as Burnham did, is stretching things a bit.

Indeed, Chris Boardman, previously walking and cycling commissioner for Greater Manchester under Burnham before leaving earlier this year to head up the new body Active Travel England has consistently said that making it compulsory for cyclists to wear helmets and hi-vis clothing distract from initiatives proven to make the roads safer for people on bikes, such as building segregated cycle lanes.

In 2020, he told Telegraph.co.uk: “Messaging is something the car industry has known for decades. You don't see a car advert with a car sitting in a traffic jam. You see it on big open roads.

“So we shouldn't be showing cyclists in body armour and high-vis. We should show it how it can be. And cycling can be nice.

“The beauty of cycling is that it is simple. You can wear your work clothes and just ride to work. You don't have to be sweating. You don't need special clothes. That's the bit we forget.”

Responding to Burnham’s comments today, one Twitter user retweeted a post by Surrey Police’s Road Policing Team from last November which included a picture of a patrol car that had been hit from behind by a driver, with the tweet saying that hi-viz is “Part of our uniform and part of H&S requirements. But those of us that have worked on the roads for years know how ineffective high viz is, especially in daytime. If drivers can’t see high viz WITH flashy lights as well, then just high viz is even less effective.”

Another Twitter user retweeted a picture of a lorry that had struck a railway bridge, despite the latter carrying yellow and black hatching and warning that it had a very low clearance.

Several Twitter users took issue with Burnham’s reference to a “growing debate,” while others pointed out that cyclists are allowed to use road space already, and allocating more of it to them in the form of segregated cycle lanes did not carry with it any additional responsibilities being placed on those who choose to get around by bike.

It's not the first time this year that Burnham has been pulled up by cyclists on social media after making inaccurate claims in a Q&A session on the local radio station.

In January we reported how, ahead of revisions to the Highway Code coming into effect, he had urged for the planned changes to be postponed, and also repeated the misconception that one of revisions permitted cyclists to ride “in the middle of the road,” rather than the middle of the lane – something that they were already allowed to do, with the new wording simply clarifying the issue.

> Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham under fire after calling for Highway Code changes to be paused

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Thank goodness they are all in hi viz !!

https://mobile.twitter.com/thijsniks/status/1588987670356668417

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ktache replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Terrible, stopping all those in poverty from getting to work, all those chemotherapy patients, people probably having strokes and all of those emergency vehicles from getting through...

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mattw | 2 years ago
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TBNVF Burnham is the Vicar of Bray slopey-shouldered 2022 edition.

I was listening to him being interviewed about the report on the Manchester Stadium bombing, and his dedication to blaming causes from outside Manchester or outside his time running Manchester was a remarkable performance.

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hutchdaddy | 2 years ago
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4 years ago I was cycling to work wearing a high vis jacket high vis helmet and high vis shoes. The sun was in the sky. I got hit from behind and my cycle was then run over and trashed. Luckily I got knocked to the side and escaped with minor injuries.
The driver saw me then he said he couldn't see me then he accelerated and hit me.

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Sriracha replied to hutchdaddy | 2 years ago
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hutchdaddy wrote:

The driver saw me then he said he couldn't see me then he accelerated

I wonder if this is the flip side of the phenomenon whereby cyclists are known to materialise "out of nowhere"? I guess it therefore makes equal sense that they could likewise dematerialise into nowhere, leaving the coast clear for the motorist to accelerate into the now empty space.

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chrisonabike replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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Basic indeterminacy of Schroedinger's cyclist, innit?  The clearer you are on where the cyclist is (in the middle of the *$%&$£! road!) the less idea you have of their speed.  So after passing one in a motor vehicle or when setting off across the road as a pedestrian it's shocking when they "suddenly appear".  If you know the speed ("really fast ... racing ... much too fast") then you probably only have a dim idea of where they were ("I didn't realise I'd hit them").

You're right in one way though - if we fix it for more people to cycle some journeys (including some longer trips too) all of a sudden drivers might find less congestion and safer, faster travel.  Perhaps the streets weren't too narrow after all?  It was just we prioritised an inefficient way to use them.

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ChrisB200SX replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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I think that would be Heisenberg's cyclist?

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IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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I wonder what proportion of "I didn't see them" responses to the police are from drivers who deliberately tried to intimidate a cyclist in some way?

I'm guessing that a large percentage of SMIDSYs where some vague apology is given are actually "SMIDIDSY and I haven't got the guts to say I did it deliberately now I realise I am talking to a human being rather than a blob on a bike."

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Bungle_52 replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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Or after they have talked to their lawyer having chosen to make no comment at the time of the incident.

The lawyer can convey their sincere remorse as well.

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Sriracha replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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IanMSpencer wrote:

I wonder what proportion of "I didn't see them" responses to the police are from drivers who deliberately tried to intimidate a cyclist in some way?

And right on cue:
https://road.cc/content/news/driver-blamed-victims-not-riding-single-fil...

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74-year-old Arthur Robert McGrillen, who initially denied seeing Aidan Fitzpatrick and Ralph Mills before hitting them from behind in October 2019, later changed his story to claim that the cyclists were in fact at fault for the collision,...

And who can blame them. By claiming they did not see the cyclist, it falls to the cyclist to prove that the motorist must have seen them - quite a difficult thing to do even if you are still alive. If this motorist had not blurted out that the cyclists were two abreast he might have got away with the SMIDSY.

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mitsky | 2 years ago
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"Another Twitter user retweeted a picture of a lorry that had struck a railway bridge..."

Self-driving lorry?

Or should it be
"Another Twitter user retweeted a picture of a lorry stuck under a railway bridge after the driver apparently didn't see the "hi-viz" paint.."

http://rc-rg.com

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Flintshire Boy | 2 years ago
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But, but, but ....

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A Lay Bah mayor. A LAYYYY Bah mayor.

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How can that possibly be?

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Flintshire Boy | 2 years ago
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What has sheep got to do with this? 

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Seventyone replied to Flintshire Boy | 2 years ago
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Sorry you are far too slow. I'd point ed this out yesterday.

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Car Delenda Est replied to Flintshire Boy | 2 years ago
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If you're expecting Labour or the Tories to be pro-cycling you haven't been paying attention

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Argos74 | 2 years ago
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Manchester resident, and lifelong Labour voter. Well they can do one. Lib Dem or Green next time, unless Burnham buggers off to the Tories or UKIP where asshats dogwhistling to the lowest common denominator are usually found.

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Steve K | 2 years ago
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My anecdotal research from social media is that hi viz is harder to see than black clothing.

- I see plenty of posts from cyclists saying they were hit or suffered near misses, despite the fact that they were wearing hi viz (not to mention examples like the bridge and police cars in the article).

- And I see even more posts from motorists complaining about the cyclists they saw wearing black.

So black (and even better, no lights as well) is better than hi viz.

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Mungecrundle replied to Steve K | 2 years ago
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No, you are just not seeing the posts from cyclists not wearing hi viz whilst at their keyboards.

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Steve K replied to Mungecrundle | 2 years ago
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Mungecrundle wrote:

No, you are just not seeing the posts from cyclists not wearing hi viz whilst at their keyboards.

Ah, but you saw my post and I'm not wearing hi viz.

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chrisonabike replied to Steve K | 2 years ago
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According to your avatar on this site, only your bike is visible.  Although I can only see that because I am a very infrequent driver.

Clearly all those wearing black have been killed already so they couldn't post...

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Steve K replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

According to your avatar on this site, only your bike is visible.  Although I can only see that because I am a very infrequent driver.

Clearly all those wearing black have been killed already so they couldn't post...

I'm wearing hi viz in my avatar.

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CyclingInGawler replied to Steve K | 2 years ago
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Steve, don't rely on anecdotes, you can use scientific fact! After a series of mid-air collisions in training, the RAF conducted extensive research into what would be (on balance) the best colour to paint the training fleet to maximise their visibility. Take a look at a 'photo of any (non-Red Arrows) RAF Hawk, now painted in gloss black.

BTW, the "gloss" bit is important!

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Sriracha replied to CyclingInGawler | 2 years ago
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Indeed so! Caveat - visibility against the day-time sky. But it makes you wonder whether any similar research (as opposed to mere conjecture) has been done in the case of visibility of cyclists to motorists.
https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/online-exhibitions/taking-flight/t...

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hawkinspeter replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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Sriracha wrote:

Indeed so! Caveat - visibility against the day-time sky. But it makes you wonder whether any similar research (as opposed to mere conjecture) has been done in the case of visibility of cyclists to motorists. https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/online-exhibitions/taking-flight/t...

From my anecdata, it clearly shows that cyclists are only visible if there's a nearby cycle lane (magic paint included) that's not being used.

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IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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Following on from Rendel's photo-post below, the question for me is: given I am already fully attired in a variety of highly visible clothes on a bike which in turn has highly visible colouring, what's my next step given the number of incidents that occur.

Visibility is not the issue when the vast majority of incidents occur when a driver is well aware of the cyclist.

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Backladder replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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IanMSpencer wrote:

Visibility is not the issue when the vast majority of incidents occur when a driver is well aware of the cyclist.

And most of the remaining ones are when they are not looking.

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Capt Sisko | 2 years ago
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"making it compulsory for cyclists to wear high-visibility clothing"

How about "making it compulsory for drivers to have an eye test every five years". They're the ones in charge of two tonnes of metal moving at speed. If they can see a cyclist they're not going to see a young mum and their pram either.

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IanMSpencer replied to Capt Sisko | 2 years ago
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Or the pedestrian on the opposite side of the road walking towards traffic without a pavement.

Nearly got taken out in Ambridge today, walking in a residential area between footpaths. Into sun, motorist saw parked van so carefully pulled around it in good time behind me, oblivious to me, and I even hung back to avoid being next to the van ahead. Was less than a foot away at 30mph (2 metres and slow? No!), having a good drag on his fag. Car labelled up with orange signage for bouncy castles or other children's entertainment.

This is not about cyclists, it's about crap driving

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chrisonabike replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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IanMSpencer wrote:

... Nearly got taken out in Ambridge today, walking in a residential area between footpaths. ...

Ambridge?  I heard that story on repeat! (Well I would have done if my reflexes aren't tuned to switch off Radio 4 as soon as I hear the music).

Or were you in America?

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IanMSpencer replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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Inkberrow, to be honest, which has The Old Bull and The Bull's Head just to double up the tourist opportunity.

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