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Driver uses cycle lane to speed past cyclist (screenshot via Idiots in Cars/Reddit video)
Reddit video) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

“If you use my lane, I’ll use yours”: Driver films himself using bike lane to overtake cyclist; Rain, rain and more rain…grim Roubaix forecast; Van der Poel hoping for wet cobbles; Bike lane petrol queues; Mudguard season + more on the live blog

Pinch punch first day of the month, the weather’s grim so stay in with Dan Alexander on the live blog instead
  • by Dan Alexander
Fri, Oct 01, 2021 08:06
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SUMMARY

  • Child can't use cycle lane during Bike to School Week because of drivers queueing for petrol
  • Sorry sorry!
  • Meanwhile in the Netherlands...
  • Mudguard season: When do you give up on summer?
  • Rain, rain and more rain...grim Roubaix weather forecast
  • Be careful what you wish for, Mathieu: "I think it would be quite cool if it rains!"
  • Drum & Bass On The Bike DJ Dom Whiting featured on ITV News
  • Questions asked of Paris-Roubaix Femmes prize money
  • I'm no expert but I'm almost certain that's not how the Hour Record works...
  • "If you use my lane, I'll use yours": Driver films himself using bike lane to speed past cyclist
  • The Run Up: Get in the mood for Paris-Roubaix Femmes by hearing how much it means to those competing
  • Emotional Vincenzo Nibali in tears after winning home race
  • Dan Bigham Hour Record attempt about to get underway
  • Colin Furze builds a 2WD hydraulic-driven bicycle
  • He's done it!
Driver uses cycle lane to speed past cyclist (screenshot via Idiots in Cars/Reddit video)
Reddit video) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
1 October 2021, 08:06

Child can't use cycle lane during Bike to School Week because of drivers queueing for petrol

People queuing for petrol on Bounds Green Road @haringeycouncil block a cycle lane a child is trying to use to get home from school, on #BikeToSchoolWeek pic.twitter.com/t8JFdlpgWE

— Haringey Cycling (@HaringeyCyclist) September 30, 2021

Happy Bike to School Week! Although it might not have seemed quite such a celebration for the kid pictured having to wheel his bike around the queue of stationary motorists blocking this cycle lane in Haringey as they wait for petrol.  

I guess it’s preparing them well for what they’ll have to deal with cycling anywhere in the UK…

The picture attracted a powerful reaction online, with one reply saying we might as well call it Don’t Even Think About Biking To School Week. The London Cycling Campaign also chipped in, sharing the pic to its followers with the message: “London’s young people deserve so much better than this.”

Toby Edwards added: “Sums up our car-mad culture nicely.”

It wasn’t just in London either…these were the scenes in Brighton yesterday as drivers made use of that nicely painted lane on the left while they waited…

A bad day on the roads at #Patcham #Brighton today, @SussexRoadsPol @BHCC_Transport
Drivers queuing in both directions for #Petrol. Southbound cycle lane past filling station on A23 completely blocked, with consequent risk to people cycling. Radical change needed.@CyclePatcham pic.twitter.com/o1ZEbbYyIN

— Becky Reynolds (@Bexonabike) September 30, 2021

1 October 2021, 08:06

Sorry sorry!

broken mech - 1 (1).jpg
broken mech - 1 (1) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
broken mech - 1 (1).jpg
broken mech – 1 (1) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Yesterday road.cc had a massive tantrum, which ended up with us having to create a new version of it and get rid of everything from yesterday… that means unfortunately yesterday’s live blog was lost! Obviously we’re really sorry about this, it’s as frustrating for us as it is for you and it’s certainly not how we wanted our day to pan out. 

To very briefly summarise what happened yesterday… Joss Lowden broke the Hour Record, smashing the previous record to set a new distance of 48.405km. Read all about her bike here. 

There were scenes of chaos around petrol stations again, with motorists seen using a cycle lane as a petrol queueing lane in Brighton. 

Scottish MP Colin Smyth waded into a helmet row when he commented on the Twitter post of Green MSP Patrick Harvie. 

And our big ‘debate’ of the day… someone on social media suggested that there should be a six-month trial banning cleats in London to encourage riders to stop/slow down at lights. A pretty wild suggestion, and many of you surprisingly didn’t agree. 

Peeta Stebbenwolf on Facebook said: “Cleats actually make you more stable on a bike, better at riding in a straight line & faster. For drivers who think they’re dangerous, try them! Oh & if you’re hit by a car, whether you were clipped in or on flats is likely to make little difference.”

Sam Field added: “Maybe we could have 6 months with no booze so drivers drink and drive less?” 

While Bobby Carvell suggested: “Just ban life and have done with it.”

1 October 2021, 08:06

Meanwhile in the Netherlands...

“In a right-side up world, drivers would have to press a beg-button to cross the street…”

The Dutch have it sorted.

At this #Delft intersection, cyclists and pedestrians get a continuous green; the arrival of a car or truck sets off a sensor, which allows it to cross. pic.twitter.com/q7cNxUQcBG

— Taras Grescoe 🐌 (@grescoe) September 30, 2021

1 October 2021, 08:06

Mudguard season: When do you give up on summer?

2020 Flinger Race Pro Clip Mudguards - front wheel side-on.jpg
2020 Flinger Race Pro Clip Mudguards - front wheel side-on (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2020 Flinger Race Pro Clip Mudguards - front wheel side-on.jpg
2020 Flinger Race Pro Clip Mudguards – front wheel side-on (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

As someone who commuted through one of Britain’s wettest winters without mudguards, I now feel ready to join the dark side. And when I say dark, I really mean dry and comfortable…

The white socks are back in the draw and the winter tyres will be making an appearance when the clocks go back. Anyone folded early and got the mudguards on already?

Resisting the temptation to put the mudguards back on the gravel bike. Normally try and wait until the clocks go back. A bit like holding off on the central heating until it gets really cold.

— Velotastic (@Velotastic) October 1, 2021

 If like me you’re in the market for some…check out our 20 of the best mudguards – how to stay dry on any type of bike feature.

1 October 2021, 08:06

Rain, rain and more rain...grim Roubaix weather forecast

Here’s your final Paris-Roubaix weather forecast of the week. Spoiler alert: it’s going to be absolute carnage. Saturday shouldn’t be too bad for the women’s race…although the final may get a bit damp.

Roubaix weather forecast (BBC Weather)
Roubaix weather forecast (BBC Weather) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Roubaix weather forecast (BBC Weather)
Roubaix weather forecast (BBC Weather) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

But look at that rain overnight, then prepare yourselves for Sunday…

Roubaix weather forecast (BBC Weather)
Roubaix weather forecast (BBC Weather) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Roubaix weather forecast (BBC Weather)
Roubaix weather forecast (BBC Weather) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Get whatever you need to do out the way early and glue yourself to the sofa for the afternoon. road.cc Liam is going training at six to be back in time for every single second…Mud, standing water, crashes, mechanicals. It might just be last man standing.

1 October 2021, 08:06

Be careful what you wish for, Mathieu: "I think it would be quite cool if it rains!"

Mathieu van der Poel on the Mur-de-Bretagne
Mathieu van der Poel on the Mur-de-Bretagne (Image Credit: Alex Broadway/SWpix.com)
Mathieu van der Poel on the Mur-de-Bretagne
Mathieu van der Poel on the Mur-de-Bretagne (Image Credit: Alex Broadway/SWpix.com)

In amongst the lost blog yesterday were some quotes from Mathieu van der Poel ahead of Paris-Roubaix. We hopped on a Zoom call with the pedalling phenom to see how he’s feeling ahead of his Hell of the North debut, and there was no sign of nerves from the Dutchman about the prospect of biblical conditions…

“I think it would be quite cool if it rains!” he laughed. “But yeah, dangerous too. If you avoid the crashes then it counts for a lot. It’s always the case in Roubaix. You have to try not to get a flat tyre or crash. When it’s wet it’s even more the case. If they crash in front of you it’s hard to avoid it. But yeah, it would be nice to ride a wet Roubaix once!

“He also gave us the latest on the course and confirmed it was mainly dry on Thursday morning when he did his recon…”The cobbles were dry except for one small part that was bit muddy, but I can imagine it is very slippery when it is raining. If you can stay out of trouble and at the front then wet cobbles are okay. I hope the Worlds added a bit to my shape and I can finish my season in a nice way on Sunday.”

A final nugget is that after Sunday the 26 year-old will take a well-earned rest for a couple of months, returning to competition for the cyclo-cross calendar in December. 

1 October 2021, 08:06

Drum & Bass On The Bike DJ Dom Whiting featured on ITV News

Live blog favourite Dom Whiting’s latest Drum & Bass outing made it onto ITV News…

At this rate he’s going to need a bigger city, having attracted a mega crowd for his Boiler Room special in London. The full episode is up on Dom’s YouTube, which now has more than 120,000 subscribers…

The latest episode features a tunnel rave on CS3 and a man with a parrot…now get yourself over to Amsterdam, Dom…

1 October 2021, 08:06

Questions asked of Paris-Roubaix Femmes prize money

oh I’m BIG mad about this https://t.co/Tz3CwgflV6

— kate wagner (@mcmansionhell) October 1, 2021

 Plenty of lunchtime reaction to this…€7,005 is embarrassingly precise as well. Should we give them €7,000? Nah, add an extra few cents in…

Should be €49,000 each

— Gordon Haywood (@flashpixx8) October 1, 2021

So much horror going on at the moment, I’ve been holding onto @JossyLowden‘s #UCIHourRecord yesterday and the first ever women’s #ParisRoubaix2021 tomorrow (ignoring the fact that not all of it is being televised 🤬) but this is just an insult. 🤬 https://t.co/uhLM9U9vHz

— Jo S (@sockeyejo) October 1, 2021

1 October 2021, 08:06

I'm no expert but I'm almost certain that's not how the Hour Record works...

Ermmm 🤨 https://t.co/MnLRIHj8eT

— Dan Bigham (@DanBiggles22) October 1, 2021

Here’s an interesting take on the Hour Record – a challenge famous for being about riding as far as possible. If the record was about taking metres off, I reckon a fair few of us here could give it a go! Damn, checked the comments and everyone beat me to that joke…

I reckon I could knock a few kilometres off the men’s record.

— Daniel Friebe (@friebos) October 1, 2021

I could probably knock 10 minutes off the men’s record

— Justin Belcher (@justin_belcher) October 1, 2021

Dan Bigham’s up next…we’ll share the link to watch his effort just before 3pm. Unfortunately, as we shared with you yesterday, he can’t take the outright record, even if he beats Victor Campanaerts’ distance. That’s because he hasn’t been in the UCI Testing Pool because he doesn’t ride for a WorldTour or second division team. Either way, Sir Brad’s British record is on the line…

1 October 2021, 08:06

"If you use my lane, I'll use yours": Driver films himself using bike lane to speed past cyclist

This one gives a whole new meaning to punishment passes…the clip was originally posted to Facebook by a profile named Sonny Oldenburger with the caption, “If you use my lane, I will use your lane…ciao”. It came to our attention via the suitably named ‘Idiots in Cars’ Reddit page and shows a driver leaving the road to overtake a cyclist, presumably to prove some kind of point about where he ‘should’ be riding…

From the speculation in the comments and a bit of local knowledge, the video seems to have come from Germany. One commenter explained the path to the right is a shared-use route and the road likely has a speed limit of 60mph (100kph).

Your top (sensible) comment summed it all up nicely: “Wanna see an otherwise normal-seeming person act like a deranged psychopath? Put them behind the wheel of a car on a road with someone riding a bicycle. It’s truly amazing how irrationally mad riding a bike on the road makes some folks.”

Another reply commented: “Well, it is called ‘Idiots in Cars’. He fits the description perfectly. Would be nice to include an IQ test for the driving exams.”

1 October 2021, 08:06

The Run Up: Get in the mood for Paris-Roubaix Femmes by hearing how much it means to those competing

1 October 2021, 08:06

Emotional Vincenzo Nibali in tears after winning home race

#Replay 🎥 / #IlGirodiSicilia 🇮🇹
🇮🇹 Vincenzo Nibali (TFR) craque à l’arrivée de cette 4ème étape. L’émotion est là pour le Requin de Messine qui s’impose chez lui et s’adjuge également le général. 🦈pic.twitter.com/njmkmwjESq

— Renaud Breban (@RenaudB31) October 1, 2021

Vincenzo Nibali had his hands on his head as he crossed the finish line the winner of stage four and the overall at the Giro di Sicilia. This is a rider who has twice won the Giro, won all three Grand Tours, three Monuments and 15 Grand Tour stages. It shows how much winning again, on his home roads, means to the Shark.

The 36-year-old’s last win was on the penultimate stage of the 2019 Tour de France, he’s struggled since. Nibali will be returning to Astana next season on a one-year deal, the same team he won the Giro with in 2013 and 2016, plus the Tour in 2014. Will we see the veteran campaigner back at the top again in 2022?

1 October 2021, 08:06

Dan Bigham Hour Record attempt about to get underway

Here we go… Dan Bigham’s about to see if he can repeat the Joss Lowden magic by conquering the British Hour Record this afternoon. Dan’s riding the same aero machine as Joss, the Argon Electron Pro with some Fast Forward Disc TSL wheels and Vittoria Pista Speed 2.0 23mm tyres.

Interestingly, Dan’s bike is kitted out with some of his own WattShop kit, including the Olympic edition Pentaxi base bar and Anemoi aero extensions. That’s an £8,500 cockpit alone…as per Dan’s website.

He’ll be turning a monster 64×14 out on the track too…

As for his kit, Dan’s opted for the Kask Mistral helmet and a brand new Vorteq Hour Record edition skinsuit in WattShop colours of course.

Those are the details…the short of it is he’s going to be a very aero lad powering around a velodrome for an hour…how far can he go though?

1 October 2021, 08:06

Colin Furze builds a 2WD hydraulic-driven bicycle

1 October 2021, 08:06

He's done it!

54.724km ✅@DanBiggles22 just broke the British Hour Record, held by @SirWiggo since 2015! 🇬🇧👏#BrokenBrad
📸 @HuntlyCaptures pic.twitter.com/BLWVmHc5w5

— British Cycling (@BritishCycling) October 1, 2021

What an achievement! Right up there with his recent appearance on the road.cc podcast I’m sure… here’s the full story on Bigham’s ride, hot on the heels of his partner Joss Lowden’s new world Hour Record yesterday. 

1 October 2021, 08:06

Team Delko racing in iconic ‘Look 1985’ jersey at this year’s Paris-Roubaix

Team Delko racing in iconic ‘Look 1985’ jersey at this year’s Paris-Roubaix

French UCI Pro continental team will be wearing new kit that reflects Look’s Mondrian-inspired logo at this weekend’s cobbled classic

1 October 2021, 08:06

“Barbaric” Queensland driver who allegedly swerved into cyclists on purpose charged with attempted murder

“Barbaric” Queensland driver who allegedly swerved into cyclists on purpose charged with attempted murder

One rider sustained serious head injury as motorist caused catalogue of crashes on Sunshine Coast

1 October 2021, 08:06

Peter Sagan’s Specialized S-Works Roubaix - But will he ride mechanical?

Peter Sagan’s Specialized S-Works Roubaix - But will he ride mechanical?

Sagan has been spotted riding both his Shimano Di2 bike and a mechanical Dura-Ace setup in his Paris-Roubaix recon rides

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62 thoughts on ““If you use my lane, I’ll use yours”: Driver films himself using bike lane to overtake cyclist; Rain, rain and more rain…grim Roubaix forecast; Van der Poel hoping for wet cobbles; Bike lane petrol queues; Mudguard season + more on the live blog”

  1. MattieKempy
    October 1, 2021 at 8:26 am
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    And I bet that most of the

    And I bet that most of the people panic-buying petrol are sat in the cycle lanes with their engines running.

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    • Mungecrundle
      October 1, 2021 at 10:33 am
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      And been “driving around all
      And been “driving around all morning” looking for somewhere to fill up.

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    • eburtthebike
      October 1, 2021 at 11:19 am
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      It has been reported that one

      It has been reported that one motorist was only able to get £2 worth of petrol into their tank.

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  2. anke
    October 1, 2021 at 8:33 am
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    It’s about time to finally

    It’s about time to finally introduce a ground tax for all this imovable property (the auto-immobiles). How much would that be for a patch of 6m x 2m?

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    • chrisonabike
      October 1, 2021 at 11:27 am
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      But but but drivers are

      But but but drivers are already propping up the economy by paying tax on petrol (mostly tax) and road tax and insurance and you have to pay to park most places and cash-cow speed cameras and have you seen the queues on the M25 these days? And what about the roads getting smaller?  My new Tesla barely fits down some of these streets.

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  3. hawkinspeter
    October 1, 2021 at 8:36 am
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    Here’s some good news – the

    Here’s some good news – the pedestrianisation of Cotham Hill in Bristol has been a success and is going to be made permanent: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink/bristol-restaurateurs-celebrate-cotham-hill-5993721

    (I cycled up there the other day and it was quite busy with peds walking around but I managed to not cycle into any of them)

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    • Bmblbzzz
      October 1, 2021 at 8:54 am
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      Actually, I thought that

      Actually, I thought that decision had already been taken. Perhaps it had been “announced” without yet being formally confirmed. Anyway, good news. I wonder how long it will take to sort out some paving so they can get rid of those lumps of tarmac serving as wheelchair ramps?

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  4. GMBasix
    October 1, 2021 at 8:50 am
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    In any sane world…

    In any sane world…

    a) when a petrol station was full of fuelling and waiting vehicles, any subsequent vehicle would be prohibited from waiting on the road to enter the shop, let alone obstructing cycle/pedestrian routes.

    b) people would walk and cycle most places, reducing their need for charging EVs in the first place, using public transport  and MAAS EVsin other instances and private vehicles as a last resort.  Petrol? What’s that?

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  5. brooksby
    October 1, 2021 at 9:01 am
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    Hatched cycle lane (ie. not a

    Hatched cycle lane (ie. not a mandatory lane)? Isn’t that a case of ‘don’t drive in it unless absolutely unavoidable’?  So, send a traffic enforcement officer along there with a camera and a pad of parking tickets…

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    • chrisonabike
      October 1, 2021 at 11:21 am
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      I hate stuff like this – why

      I hate stuff like this – why bother? “Don’t do it, until you do”.

      Amusingly Edinburgh’s council’s Covid “active travel infra” page has what I hope is a typo but may actually sum this up:

      > Advisory cycle lanes tell drivers that they should not use this space on the road, unless avoidable.

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  6. Cupov
    October 1, 2021 at 9:02 am
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    Mudguards and winter tyres

    Mudguards and winter tyres going on this weekend. The Dutch have got the right idea, recommend Not Just Bikes on youtube for a closer look at their infra.

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    • ktache
      October 1, 2021 at 11:42 am
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      My winter tyres (mud specific

      My winter tyres (mud specific, Surly dirt wizards) come in at 1.2kg in their not quite 3inch variant, as stated.  So I’m going to wait until they are really necessary.  Very draggy on tarmac, but the only deep winter filth to have defeated them was a logging area bridleway and my front disk was in the mud, they laugh in the face of the pedals going in and a bit of foot dragging.

      Fitted 1.8 conti mud kings on my 26 inch Getting to Work bike (Ultimate Commuter off the road waiting through the world wide bike boom warranty replacement) last year, wish I had done that years ago, surprisingly nippy on the roads, and they didn’t destroy themselves too much either, even with 4-5 months of use.  Very effective, though not quite Dirt Wizard nearly 3 inch traction.

      Have Crud’s Racepack on her at the moment, alright and year round fitment, most of the mud went during August and September, but never all, but want to give SKS bluemels 75s a go, maybe in long, not quite wide enough, only meant for 2.6s, but want to see if proper guards work for me and the bike before I take the plunge and invest in the full custom American wooden ones. Because of the rohloff setup I need to be able to move the rear wheel back to accommodate chain stretch.  Looking forward to not using a derellieur drivetrain this winter.

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      • brooksby
        October 1, 2021 at 12:28 pm
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        ktache wrote:

        My winter tyres (mud specific, Surly dirt wizards) come in at 1.2kg in their not quite 3inch variant, as stated. 

        — ktache

        Mud specific tyres?  Is that like having Gravel Socks?

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        • ktache
          October 1, 2021 at 12:53 pm
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          Mud specific

          Mud specific

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  7. Hirsute
    October 1, 2021 at 9:04 am
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    Just came across this on

    Just came across this on Richmond Park speed limits

     

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    • Secret_squirrel
      October 1, 2021 at 9:14 am
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      I forget – was it Richmond

      I forget – was it Richmond Park where the Rozzer’s stopped a cyclist for “speeding”, which according to the letter above would have been nonsense.

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      • Hirsute
        October 1, 2021 at 9:27 am
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        See wycombewheeler link

        See wycombewheeler link

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      • Awavey
        October 1, 2021 at 9:49 am
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        But its more complicated than
        But its more complicated than the letter states, as the Royal Parks speed limits were introduced by a Royal Parks regulation in 2010, and its whether you believe a reasonable interpretation of that applies to cycling as a “vehicle” or not. Technically it shouldn’t but the intent of the regulation they introduced clearly it should.

        Iirc they did amend/suspend that speed limit for the 2012 Olympics,(arguably as much for the course/support vehicles following the riders than the cyclists themselves) which might be why the question was posed if they didnt for the duathlon.

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    • wycombewheeler
      October 1, 2021 at 9:22 am
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      has someone told the police?

      has someone told the police?

      https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-16-july-2021-284883

      and the courts

      https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-cyclist-fined-for-speeding-in-richmond-park-after-he-is-clocked-at-38mph-a3102191.html

      Letter looks like entrapment

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      • Rendel Harris
        October 1, 2021 at 9:27 am
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        I’ve just tweeted Royal Parks

        I’ve just tweeted Royal Parks to ask if this is genuine, if so it represents a complete about turn from their previous policy.

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        • Hirsute
          October 1, 2021 at 9:38 am
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          The Department of Parks &
          The Department of Parks & Recreation ? (@ldnparks) Tweeted: ? https://t.co/DUZiiJb4x3 https://twitter.com/ldnparks/status/1443630319542882304?s=20

          I came across it when scrolling through the item above about kids bike to school week.

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          • Rendel Harris
            October 1, 2021 at 9:51 am
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            Yes that’s where I saw it –

            Yes that’s where I saw it – don’t get me wrong, I hope it’s genuine, it just seemed odd that Royal Parks, who generally ignore any queries made to them through tweets in my experience, should provide a long FOI-request style answer to one. Maybe they replied because it was actually from an anti-cyclist complaining about what s/he thought had been a suspension of speed limits for the Duathlon.

          • Hirsute
            October 1, 2021 at 10:13 am
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            I think you must mean “they

            I think you must mean “they replied because they thought it was actually from an anti-cyclist”

            “The Department of Parks & Recreation

            @ldnparks
            The campaign to reclaim The Royal Parks from motorists. Fighting auto-supremacy.”
          • Rendel Harris
            October 1, 2021 at 10:28 am
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            hirsute wrote:

            I think you must mean “they replied because they thought it was actually from an anti-cyclist”

            “The Department of Parks & Recreation

            @ldnparks
            The campaign to reclaim The Royal Parks from motorists. Fighting auto-supremacy.”

            — hirsute

            I accept the correction.

          • Hirsute
            October 1, 2021 at 10:35 am
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            I’ll send Miss Whiplash round

            I’ll send Miss Whiplash round !!

          • Rendel Harris
            October 1, 2021 at 9:59 am
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            Genuine! Well that’s quite a

            Genuine! Well that’s quite a dramatic – and welcome – change in attitude. 

          • GMBasix
            October 1, 2021 at 10:48 am
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            It may be genuine, but it’s

            It may be genuine, but it’s debateable whether it’s law.  Assuming the regulations quoted are the extent of the applicable law (apart from the threadbare Parks Regulation Act 1872 as amended), then the speed limits apply to ‘vehicles’.  The regulations have a short list of definitions, none of which extends to ‘vehicles’. It would seem to be up to external definitions. Without silly references to a dictionary of choice, the applicable interpretations would necessarily be common law (Godwin v Taylor) in which a bicycle is a carriage (to the detriment of the cyclist in that case); and in the Highways Act.  The speed limits are not applied by virtue of the Road Trasffic Act, so it is the handling of the regulations that apply speed limits to Royal Parks that are important.

            The regulations refer to ‘vehicles’ for speed limits. Assuming no other interference, it would appear to apply to cyclists as well.  However, the regulations make reference to ‘vehicles’ then separate reference to ‘pedal cycles’ for similar considerations.  Take regulation 3(10):

            [3. no person using a Park shall—] (10)
            (a) ride any animal,
            (b)drive or ride any vehicle, or
            (c)use any pedal cycle, roller skate, roller blade, skate board or other foot-propelled device

            the separation of (b) & (c) might be inferred to separate (motor) vehicles from cycles.

            So, the speed limits may only apply to motor vehicles. The social media and FOI epxressions from the Royal Parks would tend to support that theory.

            As far as cycle racing is concerned, I imagine it might be argued that the Secretary of State’s authority to give permission under regulation 4(28) has been delegated to the RP administration for the purposes of the race in question.  Nothing prevents the police from stopping a cyclist whom the police suspect of cycling without consideration, care, etc for others, even if the speed limits don’t apply.

          • Steve K
            October 1, 2021 at 10:54 am
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            GMBasix wrote:

            [3. no person using a Park shall—] (10)
            (a) ride any animal,
            (b)drive or ride any vehicle, or
            (c)use any pedal cycle, roller skate, roller blade, skate board or other foot-propelled device

            the separation of (b) & (c) might be inferred to separate (motor) vehicles from cycles.

            — GMBasix

            I’m not a legal professional, but I do have some experience of interpreting legislation.  I would say, in the absence of any other definition of vehicle, that the separation of pedal cycle here would give a pretty strong indication that bicycles are not vehicles (in the way you say).

          • Awavey
            October 1, 2021 at 11:48 am
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            And that maybe a reasonable
            And that maybe a reasonable interpretation of the law the way it’s been written, but it would be up to a court to decide that and agree with you,not the public court of approval that is Twitter.

            And whilst that regulation has still been signed into law and states the speed limit exists in the royal parks whether a vehicle is driven or ridden on a park road it really doesnt matter what opinion someone offers on Twitter about it or even on here, that regulation is still there and it’s back to then is it a reasonable interpretation as to whether or not “vehicle” applies to cyclists or not.

          • TheBillder
            October 1, 2021 at 5:39 pm
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            Awavey wrote:

            the public court of approval that is Twitter.

            — Awavey

            And there I was labouring under the impression that it was just an online hate-bucket. Has it changed?

          • OnYerBike
            October 1, 2021 at 3:57 pm
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            Steve K wrote:

            [3. no person using a Park shall—] (10)
            (a) ride any animal,
            (b)drive or ride any vehicle, or
            (c)use any pedal cycle, roller skate, roller blade, skate board or other foot-propelled device

            the separation of (b) & (c) might be inferred to separate (motor) vehicles from cycles.

            — Steve K

            I’m not a legal professional, but I do have some experience of interpreting legislation.  I would say, in the absence of any other definition of vehicle, that the separation of pedal cycle here would give a pretty strong indication that bicycles are not vehicles (in the way you say).

            — GMBasix

            Exactly the same argument that Road.cc presented 8 years ago… https://road.cc/content/news/95155-are-police-fining-speeding-cyclists-richmond-park-exceeding-their-authority 

            I think the only way to get a final answer would be either for the Regulations to be amended to be specific, or for someone who is fined by a magistrate to appeal that fine in a higher court which can form case law. But understandably people are reluctant to appeal when it’s such a massive faff over a relatively small fine. 

          • GMBasix
            October 1, 2021 at 4:02 pm
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            OnYerBike wrote:

            [3. no person using a Park shall—] (10)
            (a) ride any animal,
            (b)drive or ride any vehicle, or
            (c)use any pedal cycle, roller skate, roller blade, skate board or other foot-propelled device

            the separation of (b) & (c) might be inferred to separate (motor) vehicles from cycles.

            — OnYerBike

            I’m not a legal professional, but I do have some experience of interpreting legislation.  I would say, in the absence of any other definition of vehicle, that the separation of pedal cycle here would give a pretty strong indication that bicycles are not vehicles (in the way you say).

            — Steve K

            Exactly the same argument that Road.cc presented 8 years ago… https://road.cc/content/news/95155-are-police-fining-speeding-cyclists-richmond-park-exceeding-their-authority 

            I think the only way to get a final answer would be either for the Regulations to be amended to be specific, or for someone who is fined by a magistrate to appeal that fine in a higher court which can form case law. But understandably people are reluctant to appeal when it’s such a massive faff over a relatively small fine. 

            — GMBasix

            Or for the SoS to state that cyclists have permission to exceed the speed limits under regulation 4(28).

      • Hirsute
        October 1, 2021 at 9:29 am
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        That court case was 2015

        That court case was 2015

        Maybe the regs have changed since or the FOI officer got it wrong.

        Would be an interesting case if it ever got to court.

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    • leipreachan
      October 1, 2021 at 10:13 am
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      hirsute wrote:

      Just came across this on Richmond Park speed limits

       

      — hirsute

      Can we print this and staple to every single sign “20 mph” in Richmond Park? It would be nice. Also it’s handy to keep it in a pocket.. just in case a policeman stops you.

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      • Rendel Harris
        October 1, 2021 at 10:29 am
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        I have taken a screenshot and

        I have taken a screenshot and will keep it on my phone just in case!

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  8. Steve K
    October 1, 2021 at 9:11 am
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    This is Britain – keep your

    This is Britain – keep your mudguards on all year round.

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    • Awavey
      October 1, 2021 at 9:26 am
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      This year definitely, the
      This year definitely, the weather has been very unsettled, think I took mine off just for a week or two.

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    • Hirsute
      October 1, 2021 at 9:35 am
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      Yep. Didn’t think they make
      Yep. Didn’t think they make any difference to speed.
      My new ones are good at collecting leaves though.

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  9. Sriracha
    October 1, 2021 at 9:46 am
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    Quote:

    The white socks are back in the draw now

    Who do they play next?

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    • Awavey
      October 1, 2021 at 10:07 am
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      The Tigers
      The Tigers 😉

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      • belugabob
        October 1, 2021 at 11:00 am
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        Tiger feet, by Mud?
        Tiger feet, by Mud?

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  10. brooksby
    October 1, 2021 at 10:03 am
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    Quote:

    While Bobby Carvell suggested: “Just ban life and have done with it.”

    Wasn’t that a long running Judge Dredd storyline…?

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  11. stonojnr
    October 1, 2021 at 10:11 am
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    Not queuing in a cycle lane,
    Not queuing in a cycle lane, though that is happening, but speeding and avoiding a speed bump in a cycle lane. https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/cycle-lane-speeding-prompts-woodbridge-road-review-8373634

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      October 1, 2021 at 1:35 pm
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      I thought it had been

      I thought it had been established from a story a few months ago that head teachers can block off public rights of way if they feel their pupils are endangered. 

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      • GMBasix
        October 1, 2021 at 3:59 pm
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        AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

        I thought it had been established from a story a few months ago that head teachers can block off public rights of way if they feel their pupils are endangered. 

        — AlsoSomniloquism

        Is that irony?  Because they aren’t.

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        • Hirsute
          October 1, 2021 at 4:04 pm
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          https://road.cc/content/news

          https://road.cc/content/news/north-london-school-head-blocks-new-cycleway-cones-284683

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      • stonojnr
        October 1, 2021 at 4:29 pm
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        Well a few years back the
        Well a few years back the official council and police position was that road was too dangerous to promote cycling on,so the school didn’t allow children to cycle at all.

        The 20mph limit came in a few years back for safety reasons, the speed bump & 30metre if that cycle lane, which joins up with nothing else, appeared only last year.

        I suspect the school still doesn’t allow cycling and the review will just remove the cycle lane completely.

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        • chrisonabike
          October 1, 2021 at 4:50 pm
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          All too common pattern. Road

          All too common pattern. Road busy? Can’t have kids there.

          Someone hurt / parental campaign?  Put in some minimal changes / inadequate infrastructure.

          No kids cycling? Clearly no demand so reverse those changes.

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  12. HoarseMann
    October 1, 2021 at 10:48 am
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    The time I’ve spent looking

    The time I’ve spent looking out of the window to see if the road has dried yet would have been better spent just fitting the mudguards!

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  13. GMBasix
    October 1, 2021 at 11:22 am
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    I just assumed the recent

    I just assumed the recent problems were a DDOS attack by FairFuelUK, extending its line of logic.

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  14. P3t3
    October 1, 2021 at 12:29 pm
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    “Meanwhile in the Netherlands

    “Meanwhile in the Netherlands…”

    It looks to me like the articulated lorry in the video jumps a red light, ironic really…

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    • AlsoSomniloquism
      October 1, 2021 at 1:33 pm
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      And the sports car a few

      And the sports car a few seconds earlier.

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  15. Awavey
    October 1, 2021 at 2:41 pm
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    I’m guessing the Paris
    I’m guessing the Paris Roubaix prize money is so precise because it will be the bare minimum amount for a one day race per UCI rules which probably states it in swiss francs to begin with.

    And if that amount upsets people,and it should,just wait till you see what the GC winner of the Women’s Tour will get, €2,750, now they obviously will get extra money on stage placings and could pick up extra jerseys or the team prize so overall could be slightly better off, but the GC winner of the Tour of Britain took £12,400, even if the winner of the womens race finished 1st every day, won all the jerseys & team competitions, they still wouldnt match the Tour of Britains GC prize.

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  16. Nigel Garrage
    October 1, 2021 at 3:02 pm
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    Just to show that drivers get

    Just to show that drivers get off with ridiculously lenient punishments regardless of if a cyclist is involved, did anyone see the footage of the M6 toll drug driver on the BBC?

    No prison and 3 year ban for nearly killing the toll booth operator and causing complete carnage? And “cannot be named for legal reasons”?

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    • chrisonabike
      October 1, 2021 at 3:26 pm
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      A pretty striking video. 

      A pretty striking video.  Lucky that it was on a motorway, with the speed the car was going it’s likely houses would have been put at risk.  Unfortunately drink and drugs are about the only thing that seem to attract significant social ire when it comes to driving offences. Given that I’m a little surprised at the sentence.  Only thing I can think of is if he severely damaged himself and earned a bit of “I can’t punish you more than you already have yourself”? Can’t find much more about this – particularly the “cannot be named” bit, but the Birmingham Mail has:

      The 28-year-old drug driver, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was arrested and charged with dangerous driving after the collision.

      Swab samples showed he had several controlled drugs in his system at the time.

      The man was later convicted and sentenced to 14 months imprisonment, suspended for 18 months.

      Yahoo news thought he’d also been told to do community service.

      “Dangerous driving” – it was dangerous before, by the time of the offence he wasn’t driving as he was airbourne.

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      • AlsoSomniloquism
        October 1, 2021 at 4:08 pm
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        I was mentioning that to the

        I was mentioning that to the Mrs. Some weird stuff there and maybe more criminal charges to follow which is why they can’t be named so other ongoing court cases are not prejudiced. 

        But even with further stuff ongoing, the suspended prison sentence is a joke. Especially as the worker is still having ongoing treatment for injuries suffered 13 months on so has almost suffered a longer sentence then one the driver doesn’t have to.

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        • chrisonabike
          October 1, 2021 at 4:47 pm
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          Agree – it seems a trivial

          Agree – it seems a trivial sentence.  “Excess speed” doesn’t seem to trouble people that much.  And you’re right the anonymity is most likely because the driver is going to be back in court again – possibly high on their own supply?

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  17. brooksby
    October 1, 2021 at 3:54 pm
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    A lot of motorists do seem to

    A lot of motorists do seem to be under the impression that if a shared-use/cycle path has been put in place then that is automatically the “cyclists’ path” and the main carriageway somehow becomes the “motorists’ path”.  Weird.

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  18. AlsoSomniloquism
    October 1, 2021 at 4:20 pm
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    And for those who haven’t

    And for those who haven’t been told by cycling news. Womens Tour of Britain takes place next week. The second day is taking place about 1.5 miles where I live and is a small 10 lap loopped circuit so I should be able to get several laps viewed before a quick cycle to the finish. The QOM section is abit …. small though. They might go up into the park entrance for those laps to extend it but still less then 100 metres long with maybe a double figure on the turn section if they do extend it. 

    Edit: Google Streetview for QOM

    They will come up Bridle Lane and then either turn onto the main road or take the park entrance up the hill. If they don’t do the park, then I have done the “climb” in about 10 seconds. They ride all along Bridle lane which does have a slight double figure lump half way along so might be taking the length of it as KOM.

    If they do the park though, the descent could be interesting….

     

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    • Awavey
      October 1, 2021 at 2:58 pm
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      I’m not as close to the Stage
      I’m not as close to the Stage 6 route as it winds through Suffolk as that,but its certainly within easy spectating range, though if I ride, I’d not have chance to see them anywhere and still get to the finish in time. Equally unless the fuel panic eases it might be the only option.

      But yes the QoMs are interesting choices,Suffolk might not be blessed with many steep hills, though theyve picked a very lumpy constantly up/down route, but the steepest hill of the day isnt the designated QoM. And if there isnt a big crash on the bunch sprint to the line in Felixstowe I’ll be amazed.

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        October 1, 2021 at 4:14 pm
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        I was half tempted with the

        I was half tempted with the Stage 3 TT at atherstone but wanted to keep my Holiday days primed. Will make the decision on Tuesday weather permitting.

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        only live few miles from the
        only live few miles from the course and not million miles from the finish,easy enough to get a train for me,though be aware Ipswich are at home in the football so going through the town will be busy. But that last 5 miles is all downhill,not too technical, if the wind is in their favour they’ll absolutely be hammering it coming down onto the seafront, and that’s where the road gets really bumpy. Be interesting for definite.

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hawkinspeter 3 minutes ago

Dagnammit - have road.cc stopped the img tags from working?

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
Paul J 3 minutes ago

"caused by a force as low as 10kgs" This sentence does not make much sense. Either you are misremembering or mischaracterising whatever research this was, or else this research you are quoting was done by people unqualified in this area.

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
hawkinspeter 4 minutes ago

Speak for yourself, why not [img]https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2012/01/03/09/bald-squirrel-415x275.jpg[/img]

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
hawkinspeter 6 minutes ago

Well, they (medical professionals) almost always make "life-saving" claims about helmets though they're typically not that well versed in how bike helmets are designed to work (i.e. reducing acceleration by the foam compressing). Also, their view is skewed as they usually only see alive cyclists who've had a collision, so they're not in a good position to evaluate how effective helmets are. Again, the issue with bike helmets is not whether they do or do not provide some protection (they obviously do), but whether the cycling population is well served by focussing on PPE such as helmets instead of focussing on road traffic safety measures (e.g. increased enforcement of traffic laws, providing separate infrastructure etc). I mean, you never seem to hear of medical professionals stating how many lives have been saved by separated infrastructure even when stats across different countries suggest that they are much more effective in reducing the general danger level that cyclists face.

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
Rendel Harris 16 minutes ago

Genuine question, how much of that increased likelihood is attributable to the fact that less confident/ more nervous riders might be more likely to wear a helmet and also more likely to have a crash, and also to the fact that people are more likely to wear helmets in a perceived-risk environment? If all urban commuters wear helmets and nobody who rides on quiet country roads wears a helmet, obviously the urban commuters are going to be have more collisions and so the figures would show riders with helmets have more collisions but it would be primarily attributable to the environment, not the helmets. Is there any research that shows that amongst a cohort of riders of similar experience and ability, riding in the same type of environment, those wearing helmets will have more collisions?

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
Rendel Harris 25 minutes ago

They really aren't that tough, researchers have found that a simple skull fracture can be caused by a force as low as 10kgs; it has been known for people to fracture their skulls simply by walking into a door frame, and a very significant proportion of fractured skulls come from simple low-impact falls when walking. The idea that hair can protect you from abrasions is pretty risible, maybe if it was woven into a mat it might but on your head it's in individual strands; try running your fingernails over your scalp, does the hair protect you? No, it parts. Now imagine your fingernails are a rough road surface, the same thing would happen. None of this particularly is meant as a pro-helmet argument, but if you think you can rely on your skull and your hair to get you out of a crash undamaged I'm afraid you might well end up severely disappointed.

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
Psi Squared 37 minutes ago

If there's one thing for sure, you don't anything about her crash. Her helmet shows a crack, and that's significant. Maybe you think it's no big deal. That's your right, but don't think you're making any informed decision or that you know anything about potential consequences. After having had a closed head injury and going through everything that followed, I can safely say I don't want to ever go through that again. As a result, I do what I can to make sure I get home safe and intact. I understand the physics behind how a helmet works, and I further understand the limitations of helmets. With that said, I'm willing to pay for the possibility that a helmet might dissipate enough energy to keep me alive if for whatever I have to exchange energy and momentum with a car, road, or whatever. As for your handwaving statistics, come back when you understand statistics and all the factors that influence statistical outcomes.

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
Paul J 50 minutes ago

Person who gains financially from the support of a helmet company makes superlative claims for the product they are financially rewarded to wear and promote. Shocker.

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
Paul J 52 minutes ago

If you strap something to your head, and you fall, and the thing strapped to your head is damaged, you can NOT infer you would have died if not for that thing. Particularly when that thing is itself fairly fragile. To make the flaw in such logic clear, if you strapped eggs to your head, fell and the eggs broke, would you seriously be able to claim "The eggs saved my life!!!"? Skulls are already pretty tough things. Hair is also a pretty good abrasion resistant material protecting your skin.

in: “If I hadn’t had it on, maybe I wouldn’t be here today”: Zoe Bäckstedt recalls horror crash which smashed helmet “into so many pieces”
Paul J 55 minutes ago

Fast forward to 2050. MTBers and gravelers are riding bikes with tyres compatible with the olde Penny Farthings.

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