It’s the rim brakes that done it! Illi Gardner smashes Annemiek van Vleuten’s Monte Zoncolan QOM by 86 seconds – and secures tenth-fastest Strava time ever on 14% Italian monster; “Is a bit less dangerous for cyclists enough?” + more on the live blog
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Speaking of Strava KOM/QOM hunting…
In case you missed it on Friday, and are on the look-out for some tips to help you emulate Illi Gardner’s QOM destroying climbing prowess (though I think it might be too late for many of us), here’s some Strava and hill climb-related podcasting for you to get stuck into this Monday morning:
> “If you’re not wearing aero socks, you’re not getting a KOM”: The painstaking prep that went into bagging the ultimate Box Hill Strava KOM
“Is a bit less dangerous for cyclists really what we want?” Council ridiculed for “achievement” of creating step-filled ‘fourth-worst cycle lane in the UK’, as campaigners increase pressure on decision to scrap bike lane from new harbourside revamp
The controversy surrounding Torquay’s harbourside revamp is showing no signs of going away, is it?
Over the past few months, cyclists in the Devon seaside town have been up in arms after Torbay Council unveiled a new set of designs for its much-vaunted harbour regeneration scheme – which, thanks to the local authority being forced to move a line of trees due to the discovery of some water pipes, no longer include the cycle lane earmarked in the original plans.
So, instead of protected cycling infrastructure, cyclists along the harbourside will be shunted onto a new one-way 20mph road, a decision local activists say will actually “worsen the provision for cyclists” in the area and discriminate against those who use cycles as mobility aids.
And last week, these campaigners protested outside a public question time session on the matter, which saw a number of local cyclists take the council to task over the controversial scrapping of the planned bike lane.
During the meeting, while responding to Conservative councillor Chris Lewis’ assertion that the new road layout would be safer for cyclists than the existing one, protester Beth Huntley asked: “Is ‘a bit less dangerous’ really what we should be achieving with this multi-million pound, once-in-a-lifetime funding?
“This infrastructure would have been a flagship for active travel and I firmly believe that the message ‘build it and they will come’ would have been the case here, with families and people of all ages using this safe, protected, enjoyable path.
“Instead cyclists are to be given ‘safe access to the road’ – a busy, narrowed road where cars are now going to be forced to wait behind cyclists as opportunities to pass safely will be rare.”
“I believe this project is a good project,” Lewis, who described the decision to scrap the bike lane as a “rapid” one following the discovery of the pipes, hit back.
“It’s unfortunate that we can’t include the cycle lane, but it’s only 200 yards. The layout before was a bus terminal and it was highly dangerous. This will be a lot safer for cyclists.”
However, the harbourside scheme wasn’t the only cycling-related project that Torbay Council came under fire for at the meeting.
> Warning signs to be placed at “crazy” cycle route steps after 83-year-old injured in horror fall
Dr Simon McGinnes also challenged the council on the Shiphay-to-Chelston path, the head scratching route which runs behind Torre Station through Torquay woodland, cost £350,000 to build, and includes a steep flight of steps where cyclists push their bike through a gulley while climbing or descending the 30 steps.
It was opened in 2016 to offer riders a route away from the busy main road. Original sketches for the cycle route showed a gentle slope through the trees, but a 60-metre set of steps was built instead – earning it We Love Cycling magazine’s accolade of the fourth worst cycling path in the UK.
“That’s an achievement for Torbay,” said Dr McGinnes. “Torbay is so far behind on cycling. It needs to step up and start supporting cyclists. How genuinely does the council support active travel?”
In 2022, we reported that 83-year-old Ron Keegan, a former road racer and clubmate of Robertson’s at Mid-Devon CC, fell while trying to negotiate the steps in cleats, somersaulting down the steep descent and suffering a list of “cuts and bruises, various wounds and aches and pains”, prompting a five-hour stay at hospital.
Speaking at the meeting, Keegan asked why the council had not consulted local cycling groups before scrapping the harbourside bike lane – which, considering one councillor said at last week’s meeting that they were “optimistic” the stairway cycle path problem could be resolved soon, two years on from the cyclist’s fall, may be a question that answers itself.
‘Friends! Canadian race-winning, era-defining cycling friends!’
It wasn’t a bad long weekend of racing across the pond for Michael Matthews.
The Jayco-AlUla rider sprinted to his third career win at the GP Québec on Friday, before pulling the pin nice and early during round two in Montréal yesterday, allowing the Australian to soak in his old mucker Tadej’s latest Pogcineration of the peloton:
🇦🇺 Michael Matthews high fives @TamauPogi mid-race at GP Montréal! 👋
Bling did not finish the race, while Pogacar went onto win by a margin of 24 seconds ⏱️
🎥: Kat Matthews pic.twitter.com/PVnBoIg0KV
— SBS Sport (@SBSSportau) September 16, 2024
Aw, isn’t that nice? Not if you’re hoping to win the world championships later this month, of course, but still…
“This is why we run cameras”
More frontline news from the so-called ‘war on the motorist’…
> Cyclists share horrifying stories of assault after rider pushed off bike by man in passing van, as police launch appeal over “despicable random attack”
“Not ideal, but it happens”: Lachlan Morton wakes up “drenched in sweat” and vomits up breakfast – but still manages to compete 500km in one day during Lap of Australia attempt
It may be a new week, but for Lachlan Morton it’s simply a case of more of the same.
Ef Education EasyPost’s WorldTour pro-turned-ultra endurance superstar reached Darwin yesterday, the northernmost point of his epic attempt to break the ‘Lap of Australia’ record, over 5,000km and ten days into what will end up being a 14,200km ride.
But, just like any of us would after a few too many big mile days (though I’m not sure the local club ride compares to doing the equivalent of Bordeaux-Paris everyday in the sweltering Australian heat), Morton wasn’t quite feeling it on Saturday, after a sweat-drenched night and a rough breakfast that he, ahem, quickly saw again.
“I woke up drenched in sweat in the middle of the night, I think my body was trying to heal itself,” the 32-year-old said in his daily video updates.
“I felt like death getting out of bed, but once I got the legs moving it was alright. I’m a bit nauseous, I lost all my breakfast – not ideal, but it happens.”
Not ideal – there’s an understatement. So what did Morton do after his rough morning? Carried on and rode 500km, that’s what, before being rewarded with a well-deserved ice bath in Katherine.
Then, after a much-needed seven-and-a-half hour’s sleep, he got up and completed another 320km to reach Darwin, and is currently in the middle of what could be another 600km day as he heads southwest.
I feel nauseous just thinking about it…
“I end my career like this, not at the peak of glory, but with bitterness in my mouth”: Vittoria Bussi, the first woman to ride more than 50km in an hour, retires from cycling after falling short of 3,000m world record
Vittoria Bussi, the first woman in cycling history to break the 50km mark in an hour when she claimed the UCI Hour Record for a second time last year, has announced her decision to retire from the sport, the morning after failing to break the world record for the 3,000m individual pursuit.
The Italian spent the weekend in Aguascalientes, Mexico, the scene of her Hour Record triumph last October, in a bid to Chloé Dygert’s time of 3:16.937 for 3,000m, set in 2020 by the American. However, after a late collapse, Bussi was forced to settle for 3:19.787, which was still enough to break the Italian record.
“At 2,500m for a moment I believed in the fairy tale of a third world record and the girl who finds redemption by reaching the top of the world in a specialty she may not have been made for, in which she was never given a chance,” Bussi wrote on her Instagram post.
“Then Mr Lactic Acid arrives and the seconds fly by, the legs no longer move. She’s gone.”
The 37-year-old’s 3,000m attempt came almost a year after she set a blistering new benchmark of 50.267km for the Hour, easily surpassing Ellen van Dijk’s previous record of 49.254km as well as bettering her own past Hour Record by over two kilometres.
That previous 48.007km benchmark set by Bussi in September 2018, also achieved at the high-altitude velodrome in Aguascalientes, stood for three years before Britain’s Joss Lowden, and then Van Dijk, surpassed it in quick succession in 2021 and 2022 respectively.
> Flying Vittoria Bussi becomes first woman to break 50km barrier as she reclaims UCI Hour Record
Bussi’s history-making Hour was the culmination of her ‘Road2Record’ campaign, which brought together aerodynamic, training, and nutritional experts with the specific goal of enabling her to surpass the 50km mark.
The Italian, who holds a DPhil in Pure Mathematics from the University of Oxford, utilised her mathematical expertise by playing an active role in the aerodynamic preparation for her effort, the third time she has taken on the Hour Record, after falling just short in 2017. She also launched a crowdfunding campaign to support her attempt, raising over €12,000 on GoFundMe.
In her post this morning, Bussi – who spent two years in the pro peloton before focusing on individual track and time trial efforts – said this weekend’s 3,000m attempt started out as a “joke” in the wake of her Hour Record triumph, based on the “bizarre idea of learning to go from a standing start and reach almost 60kph in seconds”.
She said she moved to the UCI’s Swiss headquarters in Aigle to prepare – even clocking a 3:18 a few days after her wedding – and aimed to beat Dygert’s time by “starting at record pace and trying to hold it for as long as possible”, but ultimately fell short in what has turned out to be her last record attempt.
“I end my career like this, not at the peak of glory, but with bitterness in my mouth. In the end, happy ending movies are kind of boring, right?” she wrote, announcing her immediate retirement.
“I will hang the sign of the Italian record for the 3km next to the two world records on the hour, maybe with even more pride, for courage, for accepting the pain, for not having regrets. Always push yourself further, even where you are not capable.”
Puck Pieterse: the off-road.cc interview
After a sensational summer which saw her win a stage and the white young rider’s jersey at the Tour de France before winning the mountain bike cross-country worlds a few weeks ago, multi-disciplinary phenom Puck Pieterse is aiming her a unique triple before the year is out, by targeting the rainbow jersey at both the road and gravel world championships.
Luckily for us, off-road.cc managed to nab a few minutes with the 22-year-old – before she decides to start racing yet another new discipline – to chat about her breakthrough ride at the Tour, her recent varying mountain biking experiences at the worlds and the Olympics, her ambitions on the road and in the ‘cross field, and about “taking the opportunity” when it presents itself, regardless of the course or the bike she’s on…
> Rising to the Top – Puck Pieterse’s amazing rainbow adventure
While we’re on the subject of elite multidisciplinary stars, France confirm Olympic mountain bike champion Pauline Ferrand-Prévot in their line-up for the Zurich world road race championships
After almost a decade faffing about (and winning lots of rainbow jerseys and Olympic medals) the PFP road era 2.0 is about to begin…
From £12 chain ring wear checkers and wrapper-less snacks to Kask’s new £320 aero helmet and the latest Coros Pace 3 smartwatch, here’s the best of the cycling accessories that have arrived at road.cc HQ this week
> Five cycling accessories coming soon from Oakley, Kask, Coros, Connex and One Good Thing
Shock horror! UCI chief David Lappartient joins Seb Coe in list of candidates to replace IOC president Thomas Bach
In news absolutely no-one, no-one at all with even the most in-depth knowledge of the cycling world, saw coming, UCI president David Lappartient has formally announced his candidacy to replace Thomas Bach as the head of the International Olympic Committee.
Career politician Lappartient – who has never once even seemed remotely interested in gunning for world sport’s top job, despite combining his UCI duties with a new role as president of the French National Olympic and Sports Committee last year – is one of seven candidates, including the similarly unambitious Seb Coe, standing for the job, with elections due to take place next March.
The deadline for individuals to confirm their candidacy was midnight on Sunday, with the IOC announcing this morning that Lappartient, Coe, Juan Antonio Samaranch (the son of the former ICO president), Zimbabwe sports minister Kirsty Coventry, International Gymnastics Federation president Morinari Watanabe, Prince Feisal Al Hussein of Jordan, and International Ski Federation president Johan Eliasch are all confirmed on the list to replace the outgoing Bach, who was first elected in 2013.
The seven candidates will present their programmes to IOC members at a private meeting in Lausanne in January, before the votes are cast at the committee’s session from 18-21 March in Greece.
(ASO/Charly Lopez)
Despite spending most of the last 15 years climbing up sport’s greasy pole after being elected president of the French Cycling Federation in 2009, before moving on to head the European Cycling Union four years later and eventually beating incumbent Brian Cookson for the UCI presidency in 2017, Lappartient has always remained coy about his wider ambitions in the sporting world.
It’s all about the bike, he’d say, in-between updating his CV.
Even at the weekend, he was stand-offish when the subject of Bach’s impending departure was brought up by L’Équipe.
“I invite you to read the IOC’s press release on Monday, as they will announce the names of the candidates at that time. I won’t comment before Monday,” the 51-year-old told the newspaper at the French Olympic ‘parade of champions’ in Paris.
“What I have said is that I am interested in continuing to serve the Olympic movement in the broadest sense of the term in my international federation, at the CNOSF and at the IOC. Where I fit in, we’ll see.”
(Pauline Ballet/SWpix.com)
Like Steve Ovett back in the day, he’ll be up against it with Coe on the line-up, but Lappartient can certainly call on the success of last year’s ‘cycling Olympics’ in Glasgow as evidence of his credentials to put on a big quadrennial sporting show.
And what’s more, with the exception of a few pesky traffickers and drug rings, the Frenchman has almost single handedly banished the spectre of cycling’s doping past – at least if we only focus on positive tests at the elite level (which is all that really matters, eh Lance?).
As cycling statistician Cillian Kelly wrote on Twitter today after the IOC candidates were announced: “Amazing luck for Lappartient that doping stopped for the entire time he’s been UCI President and that he’s had a lovely time to get his campaign for the IOC all in order.
“Number of riders positive at the Tour de France while he’s been in charge: 0.
“Number of riders positive at the Tour de France during the eight years before that: fucking loads.”
To be fair, I’ll think he’ll fit right in at the IOC…
“I don’t need to be part of the cycling world anymore and suffer all this”: Vuelta winner Primož Roglič reveals he considered retirement after latest Tour de France-ending crash
Primož Roglič may have written his name into the Vuelta a España’s history books this month, winning three stages and drawing level with Roberto Heras on a record four overall victories at the Spanish grand tour, after steadily chipping away at red jersey Ben O’Connor’s lead for two weeks before overhauling the Australian within sight of Madrid.
(Or is he now ahead of Heras, who was initially stripped of his record-breaking 2005 win due to EPO use, but later reinstated as the winner after a lengthy court case? Who knows, the 2000s were a weird time in cycling).
However, the Slovenian has revealed this week that back in July he was contemplating stepping away from the sport for good, after yet another Tour de France campaign ended in a crash, after Roglič suffered what turned out to be a lower back fracture on stage 12 of this year’s race on an otherwise innocuous flat stage.
(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
“After all, I’m only human,” the 34-year-old told Slovenian newspaper Delo after his latest Vuelta win. “And when what happened to me happened to me again, my thoughts went in the direction of what do I need – I don’t need to be part of the cycling world anymore and suffer all this.
“Even I only found out a few days later what kind of injury it was, that something was broken after all. At that time, I had to take care of my health, I had to get to a state in which I felt fairly normal.”
Despite these retirement doubts, after a third attempt to win the yellow jersey was scuppered by a crash, Roglič said what followed in the weeks after the Tour was “a look ahead and the realisation that I never run out of new challenges.
(Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
“Of course I feel the pain, it’s not pleasant, but on the other hand, all these unpleasant events in my career, which I wished would not have happened to me, brought me also a lot of positive things.
“The support of my family and other loved ones, which I feel when getting up after falls, is exceptional. Despite this support, it’s not easy to pedal with pain, but this support makes it much easier for me to make decisions about how to proceed. So the decision to start the Vuelta again after another crash at the Tour was, in the end, quite easy.”
“Not one of those men pay road tax”: The bike industry summed up in three Sea Otter Europe panels?
Big cycling industry conference on this week. What do all the speakers have in common… pic.twitter.com/9weohFkesZ
— Dr Josie Perry (@Josephineperry) September 16, 2024
And no, contrary to what one smart alec suggested in the comments, the thing these conference speakers all have in common isn’t that they don’t pay road tax…
Is a bike discount voucher the key to getting more people to cycle?
> Almost two million people on low income or not in employment want to cycle, but are “effectively excluded” due to high costs and lack of discounts, Sustrans research finds
It’s the rim brakes that done it… Or maybe the insane climbing talent: Illi Gardner smashes Annemiek van Vleuten’s Monte Zoncolan QOM by 86 seconds – and secures tenth-fastest Strava time ever on 14 per cent Italian monster, days after taking Stelvio QOM
The Queen of the Mountains is back… and she’s busy ripping up the Strava record books once again – and putting a few cycling legends to the sword in the process.
Welsh climbing ace Illi Gardner, who after a brief spell as a pro for CAMS-Basso at the start of the decade turned her attentions to the mountains, is indisputably the uphill queen of both Britain and Europe, securing two consecutive British national hill climb championships, the 2023 Championnats d’Europe des Grimpeurs, and an Everesting record.
But it’s on Strava where he’s really made an indelible mark on the mysterious, captivating art of riding a bike up a mountain really, really fast.
The 24-year-old has over 11,500 Strava QOMs or Course Records (when she inevitably beats all the men too) to her name, including some of the most iconic climbs in the world, such as Sa Calobra, the Col du Galibier, and Mont Ventoux.
Back in July, she set another QOM on Alpe d’Huez (three years after breaking mountain goat and world time trial champion Emma Pooley’s previous best mark by over two minutes), before returning a few days later to chip another minute off her time – which, despite Demi Vollering’s all-or-nothing ride at the Tour de France Femmes last month, remains intact.
And now, Gardner is back for another mountain-themed holiday, this time in the Italian Alps. And the QOMs are falling like skittles.
On the iconic, switchback-laced Stelvio, one of the Giro d’Italia’s most emblematic climbs, Gardner battled through the snow and frosty conditions to beat the existing QOM by over two minutes, completing the 24km beast in 1:22.55, at an average speed of 17.2kph.
“Kicked off my holiday in Italy with a proper Stelvio experience… aged a few years towards the end of that one!” she wrote on Instagram. “Turned into quite a battle to reach the 2,757m but that’s what it’s all about – a really memorable ride on a spectacular pass.”
And if that wasn’t enough, after a brief recon ride a few days before, Gardner set her sights on Monte Zoncolan, that brutal 7.7km-long, 14.2 per cent monster which has been the sight of stage wins by the likes of Chris Froome, Annemiek van Vleuten, and Ivan Basso, and often leaves the Giro peloton resembling a bunch of Sunday club riders as they toil up its horrid, relentless slopes.
Not that Gardner was doing much toiling, however. Yesterday, she flew up the Zoncolan at an average speed of 11.6kph and at 249 watts, completing the official Strava segment in 39.47 – 86 seconds faster than Van Vleuten when she won her stage atop the legendary climb in 2018.
Gardner’s Zoncolan marker is also 3.21 faster than the third-quickest women’s time, recorded by climbing specialist Amanda Spratt, over seven minutes faster than Elisa Longo Borghini, and was enough to secure the tenth-fastest time ever on the mountain, behind a litany of male pros such as KOM Thibaut Pinot, Mike Woods, Ben O’Connor, and Jack Haig.
“Zoncolan we meet again! But this time I love you. Way better temps, super painful but really enjoyed that,” she wrote on Strava after yet another lung-bursting QOM. ‘Enjoy’ is a funny word to use when your heart rate averages 185bpm for 40 minutes, but I won’t argue.
And, as mountains-loving cycling writer Simon Warren said on social media, she also did it with “no sponsor’s logos, and an old rim brake Factor with alloy wheels”.
Oh, and also insane amounts of climbing talent too, of course…
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Interesting that the pictures you've used are the road to Famara beach and the Tabayesco climb, both in Lanzarote. On that climb 20km/h below the speed vehicles can actually go in some places (rather than the speed limit - don't know what it is) would potentially mean cyclists needing to overtake them!
Too many drivers towing caravans or trailers still drive as though they aren't towing! The number of times that I've nearly been taken out by a caravan is lots, IMO drivers should have to take a course before being allowed to tow anything and that should show on their licence. With regard to painted cycle lanes, I refuse to use them for the reasons stated, I'll ride out from the kerb and painted lane and if it pisses drivers off so be it... I despair at the cycling provisions in most parts of the country, cycle paths ending by main roads, short paths, painted narrow lanes, etc... I went once to a cycle planning meeting for Somerset County Council in Taunton, they had loads of boards showing the (disjoined) cycling lanes... I stood up and asked the 25 or so councillors and various other planners, "how many of you cycle regularly in Taunton?" Guess what? I was the only cyclist there🤣
@Smoggysteve Its the unfortunate nature of a sport where you can have 2 riders competing for the same place and one of them can coast whilst the other one absolutely buries themselves and the coaster wins. I think its a case of spiting your opposition. I won't work if you won't work.
@mctrials23 Reminds me of Del Toro's attitude towards the Giro last year. He lost the race because he cared more about stopping Carapaz. It doesn't mattter how talented a rider is, if their attitude is all wrong they won't succeed
"Police action warning letter sent to the company, didn’t even identify the driver despite the video clearly showing registration and route number plus the time of the incident... I now no longer bothering reporting these, as what’s the point of wasting 20 minutes filling in the website form when they don’t even ask to see the video – no Operation Snap in Kent." I'm confused - does this mean that these two got warning letters based just on a written complaint from (presumably the two) of you, without police viewing the footage? I would like / not like to see the front facing footage from your wife - I've only had that once, but the experience of thinking "**** that was close", and then realising there's a trailer coming too is terrifying. I hope the second, sensible bus driver gave the first one some words of advice when they got to the depot, that was ridiculous.
@mitsky As Dept Supt Andy Cos said a while ago: reporting dangerous drivers help uncover other serious crimes Unfortunately, the rest of the UK police don't agree with him and regard the people who report offences as the real problem on UK roads ttps://upride.cc/incident/pk05opm_freelander_closepass/
The Range Rover driver is either purely an arrogant twat who doesn’t give a shite about any other road user or he is just totally incompetent when it comes to not having the comfort of following a vehicle at their desired speed. The timings of the overtakes, what I’m assuming is down hill, and the risk to the cyclists and the oncoming motorists is shocking. Arrogance or incompetence, either way it would be safer if they weren’t on the roads.
"Thousands of illegal ghost plates on cars revealed by new cameras" 1) Presumably a good use of drones would be to follow a driver of a vehicle with illegal plates when spotted on the ANPR cameras. 2) As I've said many times before: The government should put in a law saying petrol stations need to have their CCTV linked to DVLA and police databases. The payer of the fuel can have their card tagged so the police can trace them with their face on CCTV. Or they can be refused service if they are wanted. 3) Given there is only one reason to have cloned/ghost plates, the sentencing and prosecutions for suppliers must be high to deter them. We have the technology. We just don't have the political will to put it in to place. "Not a week goes by where we don't see an example of someone on cloned plates involved in serious and organised crime," As Dept Supt Andy Cos said a while ago: reporting dangerous drivers help uncover other serious crimes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq9860162dj2o
@Smoggysteve Perhaps we need to treat drivers like the toddlers so many of them are. If they think that bike lanes remove the requirement for 1.5m then lets play along. Every bike lane must be at least 2m wide so that they can be sure that when they aren't in the bike lane they are 1.5m from cyclists.
@Rendel Harris one of cyclings little mysteries isn't it. So many teams/riders would rather lose and not help each other than risk being accused of losing "because" they helped each other. Its like being scared to try because your scared of failing. Makes no sense but its rife in everyday life as well.
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might want to revisit this
might want to revisit this sentence..
But it’s on Strava where he’s really made an indelible mark on the mysterious, captivating art of riding a bike up a mountain really, really fast.
I’ve climbed Zoncolan. Its
I’ve climbed Zoncolan. Its utterly horrific, literally nothing good to say about it. You go round each hairpin and are presented with yet another wall of road. I got cramps in both legs on a really steep section and couldn’t get going again as it was too steep to regain momentum and clip in. Ended up riding across the road slightly downhill hoping to get enough momentum to turn back up again, which worked. Until I dropped my glasses and had to stop again. Looking back, it took me 1hr 21m
You cant even relax on the way down as its so steep!
Stelvio was a joy in comparison.
Conservative councillor Chris
Conservative councillor Chris Lewis “It’s unfortunate that we can’t include the cycle lane, but it’s only 200 yards.”
The depth of the stupidity of tory councillors has reached rock bottom, but they keep digging. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link Chris, and those 200 yards will deter all the people that we need to get cycling.
It isn’t unfortunate that you can’t include the cycle lane, it’s total incompetence.
Re Sea Otter Europe panel. Is
Re Sea Otter Europe panel. Is it that they all have a penis?