Ignore or challenge? Is it worth engaging with Nigel Farage about cycling?; No new deal at Bahrain McLaren for Mark Cavendish; Chris Froome’s emotional reflection after final race for Team Ineos; New study supports e-bike safety + more on the live blog
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Chris Froome emotional after final race with Team Ineos
“A massive thank you to Sky over the years and the new sponsors INEOS as well, everyone part of the team on the road, behind the scenes, it’s been a pleasure to be part of this group.” @chrisfroome spoke to @friebos following his final race for @INEOSGrenadiers 👏 pic.twitter.com/WkF31NUY5u
— ITV Cycling (@itvcycling) November 8, 2020
Four Tour de France titles, two Vuelta a Espana, one Giro d’Italia and a decade later and Chris Froome has raced for Team Ineos for the final time. Visibly emotional after the finish line in Madrid, the 35-year-old relived his favourite memories with the team. Froome was awarded the trophy for his first Grand Tour win, the 2011 Vuelta, before Stage 21 after it was retrospectively given to Foome following Juan Jose Cobo’s three-year suspension for doping offences last year.
“Obviously it’s been an emotional day. My last day with the team, it’s been 11 years. I’m excited for what lies ahead but it’s also time for me to reflect on all the highs and lows,” Froome said.
In 11 years we’ve been through it all, together. There will never be enough words, so we’ll just say this:
Thank you, Froomey ❤️ pic.twitter.com/cQlMI3HTVv
— INEOS Grenadiers (@INEOSGrenadiers) November 8, 2020
Study suggests e-bike injuries no more serious than those sustained on normal bikes
A Dutch study on injuries sustained by cyclists has found that the injuries sustained by e-bike users were no more serious than those sustained by riders of non-electric bikes. The study looked at 169 cases where cyclists were admitted to hospital and found that the only major difference was that e-bike users tended to be older than those riding non-electric bikes. No group suffered injuries much more serious than the other with the study concluding: “Except for a higher rate of thoracic and soft-tissue trauma in e-bikers, no differences were found in the mechanism and severity of injury.”
Vuelta reaction
🇪🇦 #LaVuelta20
Our team. Our red! ❤#samenwinnen pic.twitter.com/v7GQbasWrN
— Team Jumbo-Visma cycling (@JumboVismaRoad) November 8, 2020
Pascal Ackermann won the stage, Primoz Roglic won the race…three weeks of scintillating racing finished a reduced but much-needed 2020 season. The Slovenian was able to lift his Bianchi above his head in Madrid as the winner of the Vuelta for the second year running.
Richard Carapaz finished second but you wouldn’t have known it from the celebrations of hundreds of Ecuadorian fans who greeted their hero after the final stage…
The pride of Ecuador! 😍🇪🇨
We’re blown away by this incredible show of support for @RichardCarapazM at #LaVuelta20. #FuerzaRichie pic.twitter.com/WsMIeFnQ5T
— INEOS Grenadiers (@INEOSGrenadiers) November 8, 2020
And there was this nice moment between Chris Froome and Rui Oliveira as well…
Class gesture from Chris Froome, giving his signed race number to our young Grand Tour debutant @roliveira57
Chapeau 👏🏼#UAETeamEmirates #RideTogether #LaVuelta20 pic.twitter.com/MsOCo6bkzQ
— @UAE-TeamEmirates (@TeamUAEAbuDhabi) November 8, 2020
Is it worth engaging with Nigel Farage about cycling?
In defence of all regulated and taxed road users. https://t.co/3oVNovGg66
— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) November 8, 2020
Who’d have thought it? We can add Nigel Farage to the list of ignorant anti-cyclists… In his woeful Daily Mail article titled: “Cyclists need to stop being so pious, pay road tax – and obey the rules like us motorists”, Farage wheels out all the usual baseless claims that cyclists are familiar with by now.
Unsurprisingly Farage has received a great deal of pushback for his ‘argument’…
Actually @Nigel_Farage there’s no “road tax” in the UK
Tax for motor vehicles doesn’t fund the roads
Local councils maintain roads, paid for by council tax, which people pay whether they own cars or not
But many people own both cars and bikes. It’s not “drivers” vs “cyclists”
— Richard Betts (@richardabetts) November 8, 2020
There is no such thing as being taxed for using the roads. Taxes on vehicles are for the vehicles and based upon the amount of CO2 they put out. pic.twitter.com/XVEWWcJfBA
— Amedeo Felix (@amedeo_felix) November 8, 2020
It’s funny really. All the people claiming cyclists should have insurance etc and cause damage and are dangerous etc.. if that’s the case, why do you drive so close to cyclists and try and intimidate them?
I’m a motorcyclist and see it every day, car drivers are dangerous.
— #18 (@arcticmartyn) November 8, 2020
What you forget is that many cyclists own cars and pay road tax. Cycling is good for the environment and for health. Many cyclists choose to cycle some days to do their bit for the planet. Maybe you should do that instead of being driven around in big chauffeur driven vehicles?
— Carrie B 🕷😷😰🇬🇧🇪🇺#FBPE (@cbtwittle) November 8, 2020
But is it worth engaging with Farage, and others, on issues involving cycling? Last week, Jeremy Clarkson once again blamed cycle lanes for congestion in London and many of you suggested it would be better to ignore the former Top Gear presenter rather than engage with his argument. Farage has made his ignorance evident and is unlikely to change such strong anti-cycling views even when faced with facts…so should we just ignore him?
Let us know your views by voting in our poll…
Twitter reaction to Farage question
Well that was pretty unanimous…. @BeeCycling captured the mood on Twitter pretty well.
Ignoring Nigel Farage about everything is always my preferred option.
— BeeBee 🐝🐝 Buzzing along (@BeeCycling) November 9, 2020
Transcontinental Race hopes to go ahead as planned in 2021
Transcontinental No 8 is to go ahead as planned in the summer of 2021, as things stand. The Race Manual for the 2021 edition is due to be released in December which will provide more detail about the race. The organisers hope the race can run in a similar format to previous years but have stressed the need to stay adaptable to any COVID-19 restrictions that may apply next summer.
Your round...
Last stage @lavuelta …but…do you still want coffee? @vincenzonibali @chrisfroome @ivan_cortina ….Valerio Agnoli express coffee ☕️😂🚴🏻♂️ #happy #life #cyclinglife pic.twitter.com/4oNSJ3gL13
— Valerio Agnoli (@AgnoliValerio) November 8, 2020
It’s normally Champagne that the pros are sipping on the final stage of a Grand Tour, but this throwback to the final stage of the Vuelta in 2017 is much more to our taste. Coffee on the go for race winner Chris Froome, even delivered by second-placed Vincenzo Nibali’s teammate Valerio Agnoli. With the cafe shut for the foreseeable future we might just have to give this a try next weekend.
New Selle San Marco saddle
The new Aspide Short saddle has a reduced length which Selle San Marco claim increases comfort on the bike. It is 28mm shorter than the previous Aspide model and can be bought in eight different models depending on width and material of rail.
No new deal at Bahrain McLaren for Mark Cavendish
Mark Cavendish’s exit from Bahrain McLaren looked to be all but confirmed yesterday when the team announced nine riders who had signed new contracts for 2021 – Cavendish was not included. It has long been suspected that the Manxman would depart the team after just one season, with the 35-year-old struggling to recapture the form that saw him win 30 stages of the Tour de France between 2008 and 2016. After Gent-Wevelgem, the sprinter suggested that it might have been the final race of his career before reasserting his desire to continue racing beyond 2020. Welsh rider Stephen Williams and Heinrich Haussler were two of the nine to have signed new deals. On Friday we reported that the team will be renamed Bahrain Victorious next season.
Positive news from Railton LTN
We have surveyed traffic in #RailtonLTN over the past three months, during the morning rush hour.
This is what we have found. #lowtrafficneighbourhood pic.twitter.com/2JjrAcE4uh— Railton LTN (@RailtonLTN) November 9, 2020
The positive impact that infrastructure can have on cycling participation is exemplified by these encouraging statistics from Railton LTN. Having surveyed the LTN for three months they saw a 131% increase in cyclists, 75% of all journeys on Railton Road were by bike and perhaps most importantly there was a 450% increase in children and cargo bikes.
Last week LTNs were debated in Parliament and more than 120 doctors and nurses wrote to Sadiq Khan asking for him to push ahead with plans for more schemes in the capital.
Sir Chris Hoy staying active
215kg for 4 today, chipping away towards a one rep max in a few weeks hopefully.. #dadstrength #beardstrength #bbqstrength pic.twitter.com/s4AMPYcJm4
— Chris Hoy (@chrishoy) November 9, 2020
We’ve long since known that track sprinters win the award for ‘biggest quads in the sport’. There’s no power-to-weight ratio here, just pure power and it seems Sir Chris Hoy is putting his tree trunk legs to good use with some retirement gym work.
We’ve done some maths to put 215kg in persepctive and it turns out it’s the equivalent of Hoy squatting with three and a half Nairo Quintanas on his back…impressive.
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It's slightly weird, the more expensive the bikes they dump on us, the more the industry looks in peril. Being someone who rides motorbikes as well as bikes, to say the cycle industry is taking the p155 is an understatement. 10 grand of motorbike buys you so much more than another average 10 grand bike that scores 3.5 in the reviews. Wake up guys and smell something, the golden goose is well and truly migrating.
Gaining credit for 'remorse' for an attack against a cyclist in a UK court is as simple as declaring 'yeah, yeah, remorse, remorse'. If you conjure up a few tears, you'll be established as a 'humanitarian' and be sent home with an award, and that's only if you can even get the case past the established resistance from the police.
This year I went to see the Clitheroe Blackpool stage of the Tour of Britain Women where the girls had to wait around in the rain because of closed roads due to typical Lancashire banzai drivers crashing all over the place. Next year the men's TdF comes close to me on the hills SE of Lancaster, which is lucky. Unfortunately, the TdF women Leeds to Manchester stage would involve a lot of miles on Death Highways through lots of towns, so that's out
I've applied to be a volunteer, or a "joy giver" as they are insisting on calling it. I'm surprised at the prices, generally in Scotland there's been good crowds anyway for events and they've been very inclusive. Last year the crit circuit for the final stage of the Women's Tour of Britain in Glasgow was kept closed for 3 hours after the race for the public to ride on (mostly, there were still pedestrian crossings with marshals) closed roads, and a wee circuit for younger riders or anyone unable to manage the full circuit.
@ChrisA - at sentencing lack of remote is indeed an aggravating factor which is why any advocate worth their salt is a pains to say how the incident has left their client tangled up in blue.
@Rendel Harris Whilst a large number of drivers who have killed & injured others may shed crocodile tears (your legal advisor will certainly advise you to do so). They all have to live with the consequences. This will obviously weigh more heavily on some than others. I know someone who was involved in an accident, in their youth, where someone was killed. They were not at fault. They have not driven since. They did not want to be in the position where they felt responsible for another injury or death, even if it wasn't their fault. Having said all that, I don't see why an expression of remorse (or hardship) is a mitigating factor in sentencing. Lack of remorse, I would suggest, should be seen to be an aggravating factor.
@the little onion Yep, there's a certain troll of this parish (not, to be fair, the regular idiot but another one who turns up occasionally) who, in addition to stating that there's no point in sending drivers to prison if they kill or maim cyclists unless they were speeding or drunk frequently asks us to "have sympathy for the driver who will suffer the trauma of this unfortunate event for the rest of their lives."
@the little onion You're right! I hope we don’t see this kind of garbage come to the UK, we are seeing the seeds being sewn already Yes, by the police. They're happy to send out the despicably insincere 'thoughts and prayers' when a cyclist is killed, but actively work against anything being done about the close-passing we're enduring day in, day out. They refuse to do anything about the hordes of vehicles being driven around without MOT, and this forgiving nature persists even when the vehicle has failed MOT for serious safety defects. ttps://upride.cc/incident/kv69ztm_vivaro_closepass/ etc. etc
@eburtthebike eburtthebike Don't forget how much airtime and how many column inches are devoted to climate change denial, despite the overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary.
@eburtthebike eburtthebike Don't forget how much airtime and how many column inches are devoted to climate change denial, despite the overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary.
21 thoughts on “Ignore or challenge? Is it worth engaging with Nigel Farage about cycling?; No new deal at Bahrain McLaren for Mark Cavendish; Chris Froome’s emotional reflection after final race for Team Ineos; New study supports e-bike safety + more on the live blog”
Does Nigel Farage read road
Does Nigel Farage read road.cc ?
What form and medium do you perceive this engagement will take ?
I’ve had enough of the hate
I’ve had enough of the hate filled clown. I decided to call him out on his mis-information. If it causes even one of his fanbase to think again, it feels worth it.
I dare not do Twitter – i
I dare not do Twitter – i would explode with rage. So thanks for having the stamina and giving the c++t the response he deserves.
Lukas wrote:
I had to delete my account – I was spending too much time engaging with people who were idiots. It’s a shame cos there are so many decent folk on it too, but it’s always the time-sucking twonks who push your buttons
Please ignore Farage
Please ignore Farage generally, not just in relation to cycling (and the Loophole bloke too!)
Ignore the person, but
Ignore the person, but challenge the ideas.
Farage is just mirroring or repeating stuff that comes up with monotonous regularity about cycling,that any delve into a local paper story about cyclists will confirm alot of people believe are true statements.
How we challenge them I dont know as we dont ever seem to make much ground on it,but pretending that people dont think like that towards cycling is a bad idea imo.
On the local neighbourhood
On the local neighbourhood forum (N London) some one has posted ‘is anyone else frustrated with the new cycle lanes installed by the council?’ And lo, there are hundreds of comments all repeating the same lies and misinformation. It’s profoundly depressing. Not just that people hold such baseless, hateful attitudes towards people who ride a cycle but because the Cllrs will waver and before long the cycle lanes will be scrapped.
The deplatforming of “people”
The deplatforming of “people” like H*pkins and Yaxley-Lennon proves that the lack of engagement with their so-called commentary works; don’t engage, don’t amplify.
Ignore the fascist Toad of
Ignore the fascist Toad of Toad Hall, he’s only lashing out because he knows he’s now about as welcome in the White House as a lingering fart.
Also, how great would a coffee domestique be! Especially in these pandemic times when a coffee stop is difficult.
Farage is symptomatic of the
Farage is symptomatic of the whole populist politicians that are endemic at the moment, one wonders if this was what Germany was like in the 1930’s, but with added online echo chambers like TwitBook.
Challenge the message – ignore the people.
If pigfaceshagger had not engaged Farage with how different this 2020’s UK would be.
Our relationship with the EU was 10th on the things people worried about in 2010.
Road.cc is so sincere about
Road.cc is so sincere about the idea of ignoring Farage that they’ve filled the whole of the Live Blog with “news” about him, and even created a poll…shall we ignore him or not? Well, by creating the poll you’ve answered your own question.
I wish we could just ignore
I wish we could just ignore him, but can we? Wikipedia claims The DM is the UK’s “highest-circulated daily newspaper”. It is a sad truth that a lot of people will read this – and a lot of them will believe it. I don’t think it’s much of a leap of faith to accept that this sort of drivel leads to attacks on cyclists (including deliberately dangerous driving), along with the aggresive resistance to any infrastructure designed to make life better for people traveling by bike (which, incidentally, will make life better for everyone else too).
That said, I am also very aware that any article published here is just going to be preaching to the choir. Is responding to it in that manner actually going to achieve anything? Or will it just generate revenue for the DM through people clicking through to the article in order to ogle at the stupidity on display?
I’m not sure what the solution is. Letters to the editors? Can anyone get some column inches in a national newspaper to set the record straight? Write to your MP’s – make it clear that Mr Garage does not speak for the “common person”?
The mail online make more
The mail online make more from advertsing revenue than any other paper. So yes, you are correct – clicking through increases their revenue. The advertisers don’t know that you clicked through to correct them when they make an honest error or deliberately pubish nonsense, to argue with stupidity, to support refugees, to protect a minority, to counter their hate-filled bile, in outrage at their misogyny or to see what Nigel is banging on about (which may contain all of the previous examples). A click is a click. If you visit, they make more money.
The thing that always makes
The thing that always makes me laugh is how motorists go on about how cyclists need to be punished for breaking the law, like drivers, as if every driver is penalised as soon as they do something illegal. Yet I’m not sure I could give a percentage for the number of cars going past my house that actually abide by the 20mph speed limit because it is so low. Or I could add to that the number dangerously cutting the corner (per the image I’ve added).
Or I could add to that the
Or I could add to that the number dangerously cutting the corner
That’s what started me on my anti-police crusade. I was stationary waiting to turn right and I escaped serious life wrecking injury by inches when he hit me with the usual claim ‘didn’t see you’. That, as you know, is enough for the police: not dead=don’t care. To that they added ‘it was only a momentary loss of concentration by the driver’ – an excuse which you can use to refuse prosecution of every motorist. Music to the ears of the police.
That corner cutting has
That corner cutting has become so normal (and acceptable??) to so many that I now find (when I am driving) and I am turning right out of a junction that drivers who want to turn right into the junction will stop (holding up thru traffic) to (politly?) let me out the junction before they turn in. I have concluded that this is due to a combination of things.
1. they assume I will be on the wrong side of the road so I can cut the corner as I turn out, hence narrowing the lane
2.They are too bloody lazy to turn thier wheel, or completly incapable of judging where their vehicle will sweep as they turn
I will excuse (cautious) drivers of larger or towing vehicles as they tend to sweep a much tighter radius
I routinely had drivers
I routinely had drivers losing their minds when I would line up close to the centre line to turn out of a road which they were epecting to be able to cut the corner of turning in. As if I was cutting them up in some way.
If they are incapable of driving on te correct side, they should probably let me out first.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.616847,-0.7223292,3a,75y,353.66h,68.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFR0mfFSOmzAxUIEOAHbRfg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This car caught by the streetview car taking a wider line than most. It’s not like there a shortage of space for turning right in the correct lane.
one of the ‘sleb’ cyclists
one of the ‘sleb’ cyclists needs to invite Nigel out for a bike ride. Like Germany invited Al Murray (pub landlord character) to do a TV travelogue there.
Really? The best thing to do
Really? The best thing to do with Farage is to starve him of the oxygen of publicity. He is only saying what has been said to me by countless morons over the years.
sadly, it is indicative of UK society – cyclists are considered as ‘other than’, weak, second class and a nuisance who get in the way. So they are vilified and targeted by loud mouthed louts like Farage and Co.
Or, invite the spiteful tool
Or, invite the spiteful tool out onto the roads on a bike in the rush hour for a chat about how cyclists cope will people like him in cars, vans, suv’s etc performing close passes etc.. Might open his eyes a bit. You never know, loosing £10k on the Trump bet, he might need to cycle more..
KR1960 wrote:
“Really? The best thing to do with Farage is to starve him of the oxygen of oxygen. “….
TFTFY
[credit to the much-missed Linda Smith]