Driver spotted ignoring no cars sign to overtake kids on bikes during BBC interview; Evenepoel signs for Pizza Hut; BikeExchange’s equal pay promise; Concussion protocol questioned; Inspiring female cyclists; Old man yells at cloud + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
Old man yells at cloud...and skateboarding teens
“This is a private road sunshine, it belongs to Horsham District Council” pic.twitter.com/UrXMOomEn6
— James Stafford (@Jamesdestafford) March 5, 2021
It’s always nice to see the “anti-social grandpa” as he’s been dubbed online, get done over by some kids armed with basic facts. Also good to see it isn’t just cyclists who get the ‘you don’t pay to ride on roads’ treatment. When I say good, obviously I mean incredibly boring and incorrect…
Perhaps most bizarrely the man argues: “It is a private road sunshine it belongs to Horsham District Council” and that cyclists aren’t allowed on the road either. Right on cue two cyclists roll past the man’s front door…
Prominent transport journalist Carlton Reid shared the video commenting: “Anti-social grandpa wrong on everything in this vid, including the fact a car licence pays for road use. Good on the socially responsible kids.”
Mark Treasure came forward to say he had a run in with this man too and that in his case he was upset about him riding on the roads. Have a read of the other baffling interaction…
Amazingly enough (or… perhaps not that amazingly) this is exactly the same man who told me off for cycling past this very same house. https://t.co/ZaO7DjCC1g
— Mark Treasure (@AsEasyAsRiding) March 6, 2021
Team BikeExchange to introduce equal base salary for women's team
Team BikeExchange has become the second WorldTour team to commit to paying their female riders the same minimum salary as the men. In January, Trek-Segafredo made the same promise. New signing Teniel Campbell told The Cycling Podcast it is a positive step forward for women’s cycling.
“Now I can support my family back home and I can invest in my future. It is really good. we put in the same amount of work as the guys, we are dedicated and committed just as much as the guys. We put our life on the line like them, so it’s a really good thing. Hopefully, next we’ll see more live broadcasts so my family can watch the races more. I think everything is heading in the right direction,” she said.
We must have missed this part of the Oprah interview
— Phil Gaimon (@philgaimon) March 8, 2021
Phil Gaimon, the former pro rider and now full-time YouTuber with a passion for hunting down Strava KOMs and Everesting records, has been providing us all with the Oprah interview memes…On Friday he predicted the big twist would be Harry admitting to using EPO…Today he’s picked out the key moment we must have missed. Harry giving Oprah the full low-down on Mathieu van der Poel’s Strade Bianche performance…
Colchester and Clacton to host 2021 Women's Tour penultimate stage
The penultimate stage of the rescheduled Women’s Tour will run from Colchester to Clacton. Race organisers SweetSpot hopes the race will be able to go ahead in a revised spot on the calendar in October, with the latest stage to be announced scheduled for Friday 8 October. It will be the first time the Women’s Tour has visited Colchester and will showcase the Northern Gateway Sports park, a new 76-acre multi-use venue featuring a one-mile closed-road cycling circuit. The town will also host the Grand Depart in June 2022. Clacton last hosted a stage finish at the race in 2015 when Jolien D’Hoore won the bunch sprint pictured above.
Riding full Tour de France route to inspire female cyclists
Sarah Hope believes she can inspire more women to get into cycling by taking on The Tour 21 event this summer. Along with former England footballer Geoff Thomas and 23 others, Sarah will take on the full Tour de France route, one week ahead of the professionals. She is the only woman on the team this year but has already inspired 29-year-old Nicole Perry from London to sign up for next year’s event. The riders are hoping to raise over £1 million for blood cancer charity Cure Leukaemia and will need to ride 3,384km to complete the full Tour route.
Concussion questions asked after George Bennett continues Paris-Nice after fall
Questions have been asked about the UCI’s concussion protocol after Jumbo-Visma rider George Bennett was allowed to continue on yesterday’s second stage of Paris-Nice despite suffering a fall. The New Zealand national road race champion’s helmet snapped during the crash with ex-pro David Millar describing it as “completely unacceptable” for Bennett to continue.
UCI equivalent of testing for concussion…#ParisNice #GeorgeBennett pic.twitter.com/qi2axJ6zPQ
— Colin Lynch (@FormerTTchamp) March 8, 2021
So George Bennett crashes hard, smashes helmet, clearly dizzy and not jumping back on bike BUT allowed to get back on bike with what appears to be no check from race doctor! What happened to the @UCI_cycling concussion protocol? @ParisNice
— Leda Cox (@LedaCox) March 8, 2021
Stefan Bissegger wins stage three individual time trial at Paris-Nice
🇨🇭@aka_muni passe devant 🇫🇷@remicav pour moins d’une seconde ! ⏱
🇨🇭@aka_muni beats 🇫🇷@remicav for less than a second! ⏱#ParisNice pic.twitter.com/6h0isyNRxP
— Paris-Nice (@ParisNice) March 9, 2021
EF Education-Nippo’s 22-year-old Swiss rider Stefan Bissegger earned his first WorldTour victory during this afternoon’s individual time trial at Paris-Nice. Bissegger pipped Rémi Cavagna by less than a second on the rolling 14km course around Gien. Rohan Dennis had set the best time of the early starters, before he was ejected from the hot seat by Søren Kragh Andersen who was in turn bested by GC favourite Primož Roglič. Cavagna looked to have done enough to win Deceuninck-Quick-Step their second stage of the race before Bissegger powered up the final climb to nab it. An impressive late time by Brandon McNulty was enough for fourth place for the young American.
Race leader Michael Matthews was 17th, 23 seconds down on Bissegger, who will wear the yellow jersey tomorrow. Roglič is the best placed of the race favourites, six seconds behind.
🥇Steffan Bissegger (EFN) had an amazing TT performance, stopping the clock at 17’34” on the finish line.
🥈 Remi Cavagna (DQT) +1″
🥉 Primož Roglič (TJV) +6″
🟨Bissegger also takes the GC lead🟨#ParisNice2021 pic.twitter.com/vdtogkGMhy— Cycling Worldwide (@CyclingWRLD) March 9, 2021
Tech news: Brooks' new Pickwick model, Nex-Gen Super-Sealant, Vizirider LED cycle wear
Brooks has a new model of its Pickwick backpack made from repurposed remnants of textile stocks. The top roll backpack features a 13-15inch padded laptop pocket and is made from water-resistant cotton to keep your belongings safe and dry. Aimed at city commuters and casual tourers, the new Pickwick model has an expandable capacity and aims to be easily adjustable.
Nex-Gen has released a new Super Sealant for tubeless tyres that is non-polluting and high performance. Designed specifically for higher pressure, lower volume road and gravel tyres it seals holes up to 5mm.
Vizirider’s new LED cycle wear aims to help cyclists stay visible while riding at night. The jacket has 12 LEDs, six white on the front and six red on the back as well as reflective panels and is charged via a removable USB battery that lasts up to 20 hours…
Driver spotted ignoring no cars sign to overtake kids on bikes during BBC interview
Had a chat with a BBC reporter about Fishers Lane.
Even as we stood there a driver passed the restriction sign & overtook 2 children cycling there..
in a place that is supposed to be car-free!Yet if the driver is fined, that’s who some feel sorry for.
How messed up is that?! pic.twitter.com/ib4k1sDLBQ
— Drew White (@drewsonix) March 7, 2021
Fisher’s Lane in Chiswick is meant to only be used by cyclists and buses, however, from Drew White’s thread it’s clear that many motorists ignore the signs banning cars from using the cut through. In a perfect piece of timing, just as he was speaking to a BBC reporter and cameraman about the problem, a driver demonstrated his concerns for him by ignoring the no cars sign and overtaking two kids riding their bikes. Drew also highlighted that the problem goes beyond cyclists and also affects parents and children crossing the road from a playground nearby.
Last month the Chiswick Herald reported that Fisher’s Lane had become one of the most profitable traffic cameras in Britain with Ealing Council issuing 3,348 PCNs for drivers ignoring the restrictions in the first eight weeks of the scheme.
The reporter asked “is it right a council can make so much money here?” – I commented that there shouldn’t be all those fines to collect!
And it’s not just cyclists it affects, it’s parents crossing from the playground..
and, even in the report, this man trying to cross the road pic.twitter.com/wxpaZ1Nnrm— Drew White (@drewsonix) March 7, 2021
I didn’t choose this as a safe cycling route, or have a say in how it was implemented or enforced.
But I should be able to use it without close-passes & tailgating.Do drivers really not see the signs?
Or just check for a camera car before deciding whether to drive through? pic.twitter.com/xlcPkVkiLB
— Drew White (@drewsonix) March 1, 2021
Remco Evenepoel signs for Pizza Hut making us all very hungry and jealous
I know what I’ll be eating on cheat days 🍕🤩 Super happy to announce that I’ll be the new ambassador for @PizzaHutbe !https://t.co/QJ1mgdFV6V pic.twitter.com/vNRvI40FMn
— Remco Evenepoel (@EvenepoelRemco) March 8, 2021
That’s it right there. The single best thing about being Remco Evenepoel. Forget the race wins and potential, a Pizza Hut sponsorship is enough for me. The 21-year-old is the brand’s new ambassador in Belgium and they clearly think a lot of him describing the Deceuninck-Quick-Step wonderkid as a “young cycling god”.
The brand’s CEO in Belgium, Stef Meulemans said: “Pizza Hut likes to identify with world leaders; we only enter into partnerships with ambassadors in whom we really believe. We have every confidence that in the coming years he will become the Belgian cycling phenomenon.
“Remco Evenepoel is a top athlete with enormous focus, passion and ambition. But everyone needs moments of relaxation. It’s important to find a balance between a healthy lifestyle and pampering yourself every now and then.”
The big question is just how much pizza will Remco get to stuff in during the off-season? Let’s hope nobody tells Patrick Lefevere.
School run by bike
The Chiswick school run – helped by Cycleway 9 pic.twitter.com/Ox1hTtOutz
— OpenChiswick (@OpenChiswickW4) March 9, 2021
British Cycling announces dates activities can resume
British Cycling has announced the provisional dates for when their activities can resume, with the return coming in stages on the same dates outlined in the government roadmap out of lockdown. From March 29, British Cycling-affiliated club rides and recreation programmes with up to 15 patricipants can resume as well as outdoor club, local and regional competition and challenge events, such as sportives. Indoor regional disability competition and under 18s competition can also resume.
From April 12 at the earliest, outdoor regional and some national competition and challenge events across a range of disciplines, including pilots for road racing and mountain bike events can start up again.
After May 17 it is hoped that recreational group and club rides of any number, coach-led club training and coaching indoors and outdoors as well as indoor regional and national competition for all ages will be able to resume.
Beyond June 21, in line with the government roadmap out of lockdown, all activities can resume, subject to any further restrictions.
Lightest disc wheel in the WorldTour carries Stefan Bissegger to victory at Paris-Nice
Stefan Bissegger was carried to victory aboard his Cannondale TT machine this afternoon. The team are using the brand new Vision Metron TFW tubeless-ready wheel for time trials this year, which is the lightest disc hoop in the WorldTour according to Vision at just 969 grams. Vision says the wheel even uses ultralight paint that weighs just 4g, and has “special chemistry” to improve aerodynamics. Pretty handy on that steep ramp to the line then…
Team boss Jonathan Vaughters took to Twitter to say the Swiss rider also has the lowest CdA of any rider the team knows. That’s his drag coefficient to you or I, which basically means he’s more aero than a bubbly mint chocolate bar. One to keep an eye on.
For tech nerds: Bissegger has the lowest CdA of any rider we know of.
— Jonathan Vaughters (@Vaughters) March 9, 2021
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@Nigel Garage Sexual offences are not an appropriate subject for your particularly laboured and weak "bants". Grow up.
Omata. Don't get it. Cool way of displaying the information and neat hardware integration. But you could have done that display with no moving parts using a touchscreen instead of the mechanical display and kept the electronics. Been less than half the price too, and just as cool tbh.
@mdavidford using a "Bath cap", you mean?
For a moment there I thought that said Silca were going retro and bringing back omerta...
Would they have been able to finish that bit properly if they hadn't lopped a couple of grand off the budget to get it under £500k?
@chrisonabike "The countryside is difficult when it comes to transport choices. " You're not wrong. "Recreational cyclists – as evidenced by the folks on here – will likely cycle anyways, probably even if it was banned!" Twice.
@Rendel Harris whoa there son, put away that tinfoil hat. The Telegraph (a trusted broadsheet since 1855) was merely quoting home office figures, which shows knife crime rising steadily under Khan, even after 2019. By the way, on the off chance you're out tonight, make sure you keep your back to the wall on the way home? There's a good chap, despite our differences I'd hate for anything bad to happen to you.
@Nigel Garage Is that the Telegraph that has the same obsessive hatred of Lord Khan as yourself, doubtless for the same reasons (brown, Muslim, left wing, popular, successful, caned the Tories three elections in a row)? The Telegraph that in 2024 claimed London gun crime had risen 2,500% in a year when in fact it had risen by 1%? If the Telegraph says it's Monday I check my watch to see if it's true. Knife crime offences have risen under Khan, by about 50%, from 9,086 offences in 2016 to 13,850 in 2025. What the Telegraph doubtless failed to mention is that a large part of this increase is due to stricter knife laws having been brought in in 2019, so that many offences that previously wouldn't have been recorded as knife crime now are. They doubtless inadvertently failed to mention that the number of under-25s injured by knives has fallen 25% since 2016, and the overall number of hospital attendances for knife crime has fallen 50% in the same period. Probably also didn't mention that homicides have fallen to the lowest level since records began in 1990, despite the population rising by more than two million people over that period. One imagines they also failed to mention that the Tory governments from 2010 to 2024 slashed over a billion pounds from the Metropolitan Police Service budget? Thought so. "Just this evening it was reported that legendary comedian Paul Whitehouse was the victim of an attempted mugging in Islington while using a cash machine, it’s completely out of control." In 1995 I was mugged at knifepoint in Bath, does that mean knife crime in Bath was completely out of control then?
@Backladder Do locals never drive to Thornhill for the cafe, community centre, school, vets etc.? Yes, this is "proper countryside" and maybe most people simply drive the fair ways to the big town (Dumfries!). The countryside is difficult when it comes to transport choices. I do know that in many places where it's made less unattractive people do choose the car less often. I'm not convinced more than a couple of the locals would walk on that road. Kids and older people cycling there seem rather unlikely also. But maybe they're hardy folk? Recreational cyclists - as evidenced by the folks on here - will likely cycle anyways, probably even if it was banned!
@jackcycles I can hear the Pub Landlord - "I'm sick of all those cells going to foreigners! I want to see Great British bike thieves in Great British prisons!" Given Mr.Farage has made a big thing about security while simultaneously refusing the offer of it * ... ... I'm guessing he'll be for blaming his pet hates for "an epidemic" of bike theft. Then refusing to use the police budget to tackle cycle crime, taking a millions from some dodgy donor "to fix crime", after which he'll refuse to answer any questions about what it was spent on **... * Apparently because it wasn't commensurate with his ego - sorry, his public profile - because "I'm bigger than the leader of the opposition!" ** AFAIK the latest explanation for the donations is "none of your business". Looking forward to the next report of eg. a judge receiving a large "personal gift, no strings attached" from the mob and offering the same explanation!
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Funny how old ‘uns still talk
Funny how old ‘uns still talk about the rates some 30 years after they were replaced.
Another one to add to the post lockdown places to ride !
You should hear what they say
You should hear what they say about road tax some 90-odd years after that was replaced!
Tbf some people do still pay
Tbf some people do still pay rates for their water
A water bill might be based
A water bill might be based on an RV but nothing to do with roads (which are provided by the county council not the district).
Absolutely, but it’s not
Absolutely, but it’s not unreasonable for people to still talk about ‘rates’ as a thing that materially exists to them, which was my point
I refer to rates because it’s
I refer to rates because it’s quicker to write than ‘council tax’ in my accounts book. Just think of the time I’ve saved in over 50 years as a ratepayer.
Write ctax – there saved you
Write ctax – there saved you some more time.
Is that where Tacx for the
Is that where Tacx got the idea for their brand name?
Deluded or just lonely? You
Deluded or just lonely? You decide.
I’m going to say that the
I’m going to say that the lads responded really well. They remained polite and able to rationally argue their (correct ) point and stand up for themselves in an articulate and respectful manner. I might not have been quite so reasonable. Chapeau!
If they were my kids, I’d be
If they were my kids, I’d be glowing with pride. Well done them!
The old man is an antisocial disgrace.
The old man is worse than
The old man is worse than that – he’s a bully.
I’m not saying that all old
I’m not saying that all old people should be locked up for the public good, but we have seen before that an antisocial minority can spoil it for everyone else.
Mungecrundle wrote:
yes, it’s time they were tested, licensed, taxed, and MOT’d. And made to wear helmets and hiviz. That’d sort them out
Captain Badger wrote:
…and put a crystal in their right hand so we can see when they get too old
Right film, wrong picture!
Right film, wrong picture!
I can’t see her lifeclock,
I can’t see her lifeclock, though
I’ll have to admit, that wasn
I’ll have to admit, that wasn’t where my attention was drawn.
I once almost met Jenny, at a wildlife sanctuary in Cornwall. She laid the foundation stone for the otter habitat. I happened to visit the same place about 6 years later. It is one of my fondest memories of how my life might have been different had fate not conspired so cruelly to keep us apart.
Mungecrundle wrote:
Have you considered reaching out? I suppose it might still be quite raw for her…
hawkinspeter wrote:
Look harder
hawkinspeter wrote:
Is that a euphemism?
hawkinspeter wrote:
Ooooh I like what you did there!
Of course, until we get the technology we can use evidence such as, idk, moaning about private roads as an indicator. Naturally, ranting about people reversing out is perfectly reasonable and certainly no indication of senility
Well maybe the old bloke
Well maybe the old bloke should reverse into his drive. It’s generally considered the safer option.
HoarseMann wrote:
Drives me nuts when I see people reversing out. I always reverse in, and get this, people give me grief when I’m positioning myself to do so. W*nkers
Same here. I always make a
Same here. I always make a point of reversing into any sort of parking space or driveway where possible. I also get hooted at desparingly frequently when I am trying to reverse into my own driveway! There is of course an HC item for this;
201 – Do not reverse from a side road into a main road. When using a driveway, reverse in and drive out if you can.
Although I must admit that I am not entirely sure where the distinction lies between main road and not main road in this context.
Dicklexic wrote:
The principle is that you should not reverse out of a junction (or driveway).
Dicklexic wrote:
Although I must admit that I am not entirely sure where the distinction lies between main road and not main road in this context. — Dicklexic
It doesn’t have to be the M25, it means the main road compared with the one you’ve reversed out from.
Imagine getting to this stage
Imagine getting to this stage of your life and being A – so wrong, and B – so miserable.
Bet he was outraged about straight bananas, vegan sausage rolls and brown people getting the vote too.
Poor sod – what a sad life.
Presumably if he’d ranted on
Presumably if he’d ranted on twitter it would be reported as news ?
“This is a private road
“This is a private road sunshine, it belongs to Horsham District Council” – err, WTF???
On that line of reasoning, every single person operating any sort of vehicle would need a licence to travel on every single separate roadway.
Is that what he wants?
(“Oy, you! – You’ve got a licence to drive on the High Street but where’s your licence for Acacia Avenue??”)
brooksby wrote:
I think you are labouring under the misapprehension that there is any logic, or desire to broadly apply the principles that he has espoused.
Completely off-topic here,
Completely off-topic here, but I seem to remember that there was an article somewhere on Road.cc saying that HMRC had dropped the requirement for the work Cycle schemes to mainly be used for qualifying journeys to the office.
I’ve just checked my workplace benefits for this year, and my employer has discontinued the cycle scheme on the basis that COVID is stopping people cycling to the office.
I’m therefore wondering if anyone would have a link to the article or a HMRC press release about them dropping the office requirement? I have tried to look but found nowt 🙁
Nigel Garrage wrote:
I may be wrong (Iknow, I know, but it has happened before), but I don’t think that employers are required to offer the CS as part of their benefits package.
If they have dropped it they are being jerks as there is little overhead to the scheme (obvs if you work for a small company that might be different but even then…).
I’m not sure if there is a way to pursue it outside your company.
https://road.cc/content/news
https://road.cc/content/news/cycle-work-scheme-tax-rules-relaxed-due-covid-19-280019
Ah, from the linked article
Ah, from the linked article it appears there may indeed be an issue with bikes purchased since December 20th 2020, which is probably why they’ve discontinued it – thanks for the link…
@badger They’d offered the scheme for years until now, I’d imagine they are more concerned about HMRC implications – they are a good employer in terms of benefits overall and active travel.
If that is the reason they’ve
If that is the reason they’ve pulled the cycle scheme (it may not be) then it may be worth a question on if they’ll re-introduce it as that exemption is only valid for another 4 weeks up to April 5th after which normal rules apply again. (or they may extend it as per the roadmap to normality allows, I guess)
There is a governemnt
There is a government document called ‘safer travel guidance ‘ which advises – ‘if you need to travel, walk or cycle if possible’. If an employer is removing the means to obtain that form of transport then I suppose you could try and enter a discussion on the back to work implications of that for any employee trying to now follow that guidance.
I assume the basis for
I assume the basis for stopping the scheme is that everyone is currently working from home, and so no-one would be travelling to the office anyway. One would hope that once plans to re-open the office materialise, the company in question will re-open the cycle to work scheme too (although I appreciate in the current climate you might be waiting a long time to actually get a bike!)
For info, the link to the
For info, the link to the HMRC guidance is here.
https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/employment-income-manual/eim21664
Seems odd to pull the scheme unless your company is saying you will never return to the office.
Post lockdown anyone fancy a
Post lockdown anyone fancy a Grand Fondo to Horsham? Looks a like a lovely piece of public highway to ride up and down ad nauseum. I’ll bring some cake.
https://www.singletracks.com
https://www.singletracks.com/mtb-videos/watch-follow-the-leader-urban-downhill-mtb-edition-red-bull-valparaiso/
I think somthihg like this may be better pref though there house, ohh but only if we put some mats down to save the carpets!!!!
What a complete bell-end.
What a complete bell-end. Someone please tell me where that road is in Horsham and I’ll ride up and down it all day!
https://www.google.co.uk/maps
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.0580126,-0.3303538,3a,75y,91.23h,78.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4NaU8P0_ch3tDQTUXZiIuA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
This appears to be it.
Fordingbridge Close
Could just about make out a embankment and tunnel when the camera showed the cyclists, so just had to see what roads itercepted the railway and found it in about 30 seconds.
It’s crying out for a Strava
It’s crying out for a Strava segment…
I look forward to pictures of
I look forward to pictures of Evenepoel pretending to eat substandard pizza. I shall file them alongside pictures of him pretending to drink substandard lager.
https://cyclingtips.com/2020/05/the-beer-remco-didnt-drink/
Quite. Not sure why road.cc
Quite. Not sure why road.cc is reporting on this in glowing terms.
Re: BBC Interview. When Drew
Re: BBC Interview. When Drew states “here you are, here’s one” does the BBC man say something about “those kids aren’t supposed to be there”??
He did realise he was supposed to be there to show drivers going down a road they were banned from and not criticising the kids.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
I thought he said “those kids are supposed to be there”.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
I think he said
“those kids are meant to be there, that driver isn’t”
Mike Ashley-owned Evans
Mike Ashley-owned Evans Cycles to axe 300 staff
Remainder of workforce to be moved on to zero-hours contracts in cost-cutting move
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/09/mike-ashley-owned-evans-cycles-to-axe-300-staff
Yeah, saw that. Very sad. I
Yeah, saw that. Very sad. I bought my bike from Evans just after the takeover. The staff were excellent, all genuine bike people. Between ordering and collecting already some had left, others were fearful for their futures. Seems they were right to be. Nothing shittier than converting full time jobs into zero-hours contracts. Ashley said way back he would be changing his ways, but he’s proved himself to be a man of straw.