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Moto-normativity; the idea that behaviours, in response to events, that wouldn't be acceptable in any other walk of life are acceptable and even exceptional when the event involves motoring and/or motorists.

billymansell wrote:

Moto-normativity; the idea that behaviours, in response to events, that wouldn't be acceptable in any other walk of life are acceptable and even exceptional when the event involves motoring and/or motorists.

I remember reading an op-ed where someone was comparing driving to pushing a shopping trolley...  Trolley rage, close passing, tailgating, &c...

IanMSpencer wrote:

A long argument ensued (JLR driver - either garage employee or direct employee) of which the main points were a cycling bingo of all over the road (but strangely able to pass). .

JLR take bad driving very seriously when their employees are driving JLR vehicles.. a lot of workers there use their subsidised lease scheme and as a whole they are very encouraging of cyclists. I believe they have a yellow card system for any employee seen to be acting like a tit in one of their cars. You can tell JLR employees as they have OV or OY at the start of their registration plates.. if it happens again report them. 

Motorists do seem to be particularly thin skinned and sensitive to criticism or even to perceived criticism of their driving... 

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Nothing like cyclists then!!!

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Bizarre experience on the way home! Had a car behind me for just on one minute, country lane, national limit, he could've passed, but it wouldn't have been possible to give me a 1.5m gap. That doesn't stop a lot of drivers, but there you go. So, I signal and pull up into a side lane to let the car past. He stopped, wound the window down, and said 'you didn't stop for me, did you?'. I said I had. He said 'You shouldn't have, I'm quite happy doing 25 mph on these roads, even that seems a bit fast sometimes'. I told him that he must be one of the few drivers to think that! He said 'Have a nice day', and drove off. It made me smile.

Humblebrag?

It was the driver that quoted the speed, I think I average about 17-18mph along the stretch of road we were on. 😁

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Oh, FGS!!!

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Guy can't win!

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If he'd said the opposite, you'd a criticised that!

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IIRC the Dutch "cycle street" ("fietsstraat") doesn't automatically require "no overtaking of cyclists" but I think that's also signed in many places (article, translated Wikipedia entry).

There are actually "do not overtake cyclists" signs in at least one place in Edinburgh (e.g. "do not pass cyclists on bridge" sign on Dean Bridge).  This has minimal effect as it's just another part of a busy road.

It's a combination of measures (infra, motor traffic reduction, enforcement, training, time for social norms to change) that we need to tame the car.

I'm afraid it is the opposite. They are invariably deliberate decisions. However, they are based on only looking as far as the cyclist - there is no other requirement.

I think the MGIF thing is as much as anything about the inability of some drivers to observe more than one thing at once. I had one last week riding to work, I was doing about 16mph in a 30, and the chap in the Golf decided he must over take me inspite of the fact that about 300m in front an ambulance on blues and twos was heading towards us straddling the white line with cars stopped on either side. He got past to immediately jump on the brakes to move in, forcing me to slow down too, when if he had stayed behind we could have both carried on as we were until the ambulance had passed.

There have been a few instances when I've been in my car, Ive seen a cyclist ahead and a queue of traffic further ahead and I've slowed right down, knowing that overtaking the cyclist is pointless. I've then had a fusillade of angry horn tooting from the driver behind. On one occasion the driver overtook me aggressively (despite an oncoming vehicle), only to grind to a halt a few metres further ahead. The sum total of the less than safe overtake was to get one car further ahead.

Some drivers don't think ahead.

I see this when cycling, riding my motorbike or driving my car.

I do think cycling should be a compulsory portion of the driving test. And anyone renewing their driving licence should have to undergo compulsory cycle training.

This is it - lack of observation and forward planning.  I was taught to be looking 3-4+ cars in front of me to plan based not on the car directly in front but much further up the road and give myself time to react.

OldRidgeback wrote:

 The sum total of the less than safe overtake was to get one car further ahead.

in front of the cyclist at all costs.

I pulled over in the car once to be tooted. Just as I was about to get out and ask him if he could see the massive ambulance with flashing lights and sirens, he sheepishly put up his hands in apology.
Wish I had asked the passenger if they wanted a lift with me instead!

The one that gets me is when you're moving at pretty much the same speed as the line of traffic, and a car overtakes and then brakes straightaway, with the net result that you just swap places, until either the line slows and you overtake them all, or vice versa.  It happened twice yesterday.  It's worse when they realise that there is no space at all into which they can go, and so they then squeeze you out. The trouble is, the the car behind them will have moved up too, so there's no space behined you either.  First up against the wall when the revlution comes, I tell you.

nniff wrote:

The one that gets me is when you're moving at pretty much the same speed as the line of traffic, and a car overtakes and then brakes straightaway, with the net result that you just swap places, until either the line slows and you overtake them all, or vice versa.  It happened twice yesterday.  It's worse when they realise that there is no space at all into which they can go, and so they then squeeze you out. The trouble is, the the car behind them will have moved up too, so there's no space behined you either.  First up against the wall when the revlution comes, I tell you.

I had a glorious moment on Sunday.  Heading for home on a fairly busy narrow road, a few vehicles had passed me.  I saw a grey Mondeo out of the corner of my eye creeping up, about to pass too, but close.  He backed off, and further ahead an AA van pulled out, towing with a rigid bar an older chavved up BMW 3 series with a young-ish fella steering it.  This combination held a steady 20-25 mph so I took primary and enjoyed a draft for a couple of miles, so Mondeo man had to sit and wait.

I might have shared this one before but I had a SUV driver overtake, in a no overtaking zone, the car behind me, that was holding back because they knew there was a line of stationary traffic, and me just to come to a stop seconds later. I of course gave a cheery wave and a "seeya" as I cycled past.

One a couple of weeks ago, which I will share once Northants Police have finished with it, a van driver started an overtake where they couldn't actually finish the manuever, then drove straight at me to get out of the opposite carriageway whilst shouting and shaking his fist like I was the f$*kwit. 

I've had a similar one with a van.

A bit further up the road he was waiting, all pumped up.

I put him on his arse, took his van keys and drop them in at my local nick thus ensuring he couldn't follow me and knock me off and also, it wouldn't be theft by me.

IanMK wrote:

I might have shared this one before but I had a SUV driver overtake, in a no overtaking zone, the car behind me, that was holding back because they knew there was a line of stationary traffic, and me just to come to a stop seconds later. I of course gave a cheery wave and a "seeya" as I cycled past.

One a couple of weeks ago, which I will share once Northants Police have finished with it, a van driver started an overtake where they couldn't actually finish the manuever, then drove straight at me to get out of the opposite carriageway whilst shouting and shaking his fist like I was the f$*kwit. 

Yes it is covered in the 1x video piece, with costly and inconvenient chain drops. I notice that Vingegaard has a chain catcher attached to the front mech mount, which wasn't an option with the 3T frames, because no mount. Did I see that K-Edge have now produced a mahoosive chain catcher for 1x set ups that attaches to the bottle cage mounts on the seat tube?

Probably being less aero and heavier than an actual regular setup

Hmmm I thought the article said a 1x (said 1 times 😁) setup was less likely to drop the chain... they just need to keep selling us stuff

My bike is a commute bike, with 2x8 setup. I haven't moved to the smaller front gearing in a couple of months now.

I have just purchased a new chainwheel, which is still 2x - but that is mostly because I am not skilled enough yet to convert it to a 1x. (I also took the opportunity to jump from 46T to 50T so I want to see how that goes)