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Met Police - learning results of submissions

London camera cyclists may be interested to know that, according to a response I've just received from the traffic public reporting team (after I said that if they wouldn't tell me the outcome of a submission I would have to make an FOI request for it) that apparently "a project is underway and hopefully will be live in December 2024, where you will be able to view the results of Public Reporting traffic offences." That would be a definite step forward if it comes to pass!

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wtjs | 3 hours ago
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We're approaching half way through December 24 now- any progress on the Met's hopefully will be live in December 2024, where you will be able to view the results of Public Reporting traffic offences?

I'm compiling my evidence to APPGCW, and pointing out the great lengths the police go to in covering-up that they didn't do anything about offences against cyclists. Lancashire refused to tell me, citing the usual GDPR distortion, while Northampton puts out huge lists of what happened in all their cases- you just have to know the reference number to find the relevant case on the published spreadsheet. So is the Carrick-Couzens Memorial Police Force going to come up with the promised counterpart to the Northampton scheme?

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wtjs | 2 weeks ago
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I'm pleased to say I didn't 'do' Latin, but I was also pleased to learn the origin of 'laconic'

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Bungle_52 | 2 weeks ago
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Gloucestershire have told me the outcomes to nearly all my reports. I have to wait 12 months to find out now whereas I got them immediately before 2023. They are rarely the outcomes I want but it just highlights the inconsistency between forces. Gloucestershire will now only send an advisory letter for a close pass no matter how close (used to be NFA until recently) but will tell you the outcome where as other forces are the exact opposite.

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David W | 2 weeks ago
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Semper ubi sub ubi (nisi sub lycra?)

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jaymack replied to David W | 2 weeks ago
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While I suspect the Met would prefer the term 'caput tuum usque asinus tuus' when refering to we cyclist you shall have have both a 'like' and a cheery comment just for brightening my Wednesday morning.

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wtjs | 2 weeks ago
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after I said that if they wouldn't tell me the outcome of a submission I would have to make an FOI request for it

This has been discussed at length before, but it's a lot to read. I don't think the police are worried by threats to make FoI requests because they will simply refuse them. Here is the Information Commissioner's Decision Notice on my attempt to expose the police lying about taking action over this case. They did essentially nothing- most likely a joke advice letter

https://upride.cc/incident/4148vz_travellerschoicecoach_closepass/

This proposed Met scheme to reveal all follows the Northamptonshire Police equivalent, which I was informed about by HoarseMann last year. There's a mass of information in there, but without the reference you won't find out much- nearly all of the offences against cyclists will be shown at the top end of the spreadsheet if it's sorted 'Ascending' on the Offence Description column, but they'll be hidden under the great mass of 'Driving without due care and attention' and you won't be able to find ones involving cyclists. I haven't spent much time on this because what I want is information on Lancashire Constabulary- and they're prepared to spend an almost infinite amount of time and money on making sure I don't get it.

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Hirsute | 2 weeks ago
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Romanes eunt domus

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hawkinspeter replied to Hirsute | 2 weeks ago
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Hirsute wrote:

Romanes eunt domus

People called Romanes they go the house?

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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Try running it though a spelling and grammar checker?

"Romans eat dormouse"?

I'm not sure that is relevant, but it is at least factually correct.  (Actually anything which helps to reduce rodent populations is probably a good idea).

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mdavidford replied to chrisonabike | 2 weeks ago
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chrisonabike wrote:

"Romans eat dormouse"?

What about squirrels, though?

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hawkinspeter replied to mdavidford | 2 weeks ago
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mdavidford wrote:

What about squirrels, though?

https://www.greatbritishchefs.com/recipes/squirrel-celeriac-lasagne-recipe

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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That is some rustic sashimi there...

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wtjs | 2 weeks ago
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Just remember the LancsFilth Dodge! They refused to tell me what they actually DID when they claimed they would take action after a gross offence by a bus driver. FoI, ICO, Information Tribunal procedure terminated by the Upper Tier Tribunal when I was refused leave to appeal there. That takes ages so I'm going to repeat the FoI request soon. They're prepared to spend all that time and effort refusing - obviously because what they did was send the joke advice letter or did nothing at all. They don't like lying in print!

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jaymack | 2 weeks ago
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I'm reminded of King Leonidas's comment at Thermopylae "...if".

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Rendel Harris replied to jaymack | 2 weeks ago
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jaymack wrote:

I'm reminded of King Leonidas's comment at Thermopylae "...if".

Spartan response to Philip II of Macedon ("If I invade Laconia you shall never rise again!" Spartan response: "If.") I think, a century after Thermopylae, but yes, we shall see...

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momove replied to Rendel Harris | 2 weeks ago
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You two are going to have to help out the undereducated here!

On a side note, very happy to hear the Met may be publishing the outcomes of reporting. Will have to wait and see what it ends up being.

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Rendel Harris replied to momove | 2 weeks ago
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The Battle of Thermopylae (480 BC) was one of the most important battles of the ancient world, where 7,000 Greeks, led by the Spartans under Leonidas, defeated a Persian invasion force under Xerxes of between 120,000-300,000 men. 140-odd years later Greece was invaded by Philip II of Macedon; having defeated several of her city states, he sent the message to Sparta as above, "If I invade Laconia you shall never rise again!" to which the Spartans replied "If." This is the origin of the word "laconic" meaning brief and to the point, Laconia being the region of which Sparta was the capital.

On the sidenote, yes it will be interesting to see whether they fulfil their promise, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for the moment. The email I received yesterday promised that not only would cases be listed in future but there would be access to historical cases as well so it will be interesting to catch up on old submissions where no information has been provided apart from the fact that in an NIP was issued.

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momove replied to Rendel Harris | 2 weeks ago
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Cheers for the lesson! Wasn't expecting one so was pleasantly surprised, especially getting to find the origin of "laconic"!

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jaymack replied to Rendel Harris | 2 weeks ago
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My blunder will have those that had the thankless task of teaching me Latin & Greek to be turning in their graves!

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Rendel Harris replied to jaymack | 2 weeks ago
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jaymack wrote:

My blunder will have those that had the thankless task of teaching me Latin & Greek to be turning in their graves!

My posts would have those who had the similarly thankless task of teaching me leaping from their graves and crying, "My God, it's only taken 40 years but Harris has actually remembered something at last!"

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mattw replied to jaymack | 2 weeks ago
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jaymack wrote:

My blunder will have those that had the thankless task of teaching me Latin & Greek to be turning in their graves!

Alea iacta est.

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Bill H replied to mattw | 2 weeks ago
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"Hoc Rendel dixit"; tu quid?

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brooksby replied to Bill H | 2 weeks ago
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Erm...  "Caecilius est in horto."  3

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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brooksby wrote:

Erm...  "Caecilius est in horto."  3

Yeah, I bet he's just lounging around whilst his slave is working in the atrium

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Rendel Harris replied to hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

Yeah, I bet he's just lounging around whilst his slave is working in the atrium

Poor old Grumio. But I do seem to recall he had a good thing going with the kitchen maid and possibly Caecilius' missus as well so...

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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There's a book that can help you with that!  I can't remember if it covers traffic jams on the Via Appia specifically but I'm sure there are some suitable phrases for addressing other road users.

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brooksby replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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brooksby wrote:

Erm...  "Caecilius est in horto."  3

It's terrible - I did Latin at O level (got an A, IIRC).  I remember doing Virgil in the exam.  But now I'm reduced to this… 

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jaymack replied to mattw | 2 weeks ago
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Somehow "veni vidi erravi" doesn't have quite the same ring as the original. 

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