Michal Kwiatkowski clashes with Movistar’s Alejandro Valverde and Enric Mas after Stage 7; Lucky cyclist dodges terrifying collision; 50 Cent’s two cents on Tour crash; Britain’s best routes; Brompton bling; The Cav effect + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
CCTV footage captures the moment one lucky cyclist dodges out of control driver who smashed into zebra crossing
This could have been a lot worse 😮
The incident happened outside the popular Italian @Golarestaurant on Fulham Road pic.twitter.com/vQyiqeno4w
— Evening Standard (@standardnews) July 1, 2021
Here’s an absolute shocker to start Friday. This CCTV footage from outside Gola, an Italian restaurant on Fulham Road caught the moment a lucky cyclist and pedestrian somehow managed to avoid being hit by an out of control driver. The vehicle can be seen drifting across the wrong side of the road before the driver pulls away from the pavement at the last minute, smashing into the zebra crossing instead.
Not too many details on this yet, but both the pedestrian and cyclist appear to have got away unscathed…the latter can be seen stood further up the road as people rush to the driver.
Plenty of speculation in the replies, along with several facetious questions of could this all have been avoided if the zebra crossing was wearing hi-vis and paid ‘road tax’?
Cav's win broken down by the man who knows him best
Want to geek out on Cav’s latest sprint triumph? If the answer’s yes, Mark Renshaw has just the vid for you. The legendary lead-out has all the analysis you could need of how Deceuninck-Quick-Step delivered their man for his 32nd Tour stage win…
Win number 33 today? Unlikely. Stage seven looks a real tough test for the riders. At 248km it is the longest Tour stage for 20 years and has 3,000m of climbing largely packed into the back end of the day. In our stage-by-stage preview, road.cc news editor Simon MacMichael highlighted the penultimate climb as the key point, with the riders tackling a 1.5km climb averaging 11.5 per cent with ramps of 18 per cent…and there are bonus seconds on offer at the top. Tasty.
TV bike buddies...meet the ITV peloton
This is not a cycle club outing, it’s the ITV Tour de France production crew – sound, camera, director, everyone – just out for dinner like any other night.
How wonderful is that.
(Imagine if they’d all come in a car) pic.twitter.com/IzZxpgzUTJ
— Chris Boardman (@Chris_Boardman) July 2, 2021
Katie Archibald and Co talk track bikes with the Olympics one month away
Team GB track riders Katie Archibald, Ethan Vernon and Jack Carlin have spoken about their new bikes ahead of the Olympics next month. Aero gains are obviously key for Lotus’ speed machine which is designed so the forks are in line with riders’ knees and has wider seat stays for better air flow. Lotus will be hoping to be part of another chapter of GB track success having designed the Type 108 which Chris Boardman powered to Olympic gold in Barcelona in 1992, Britain’s first Olympic cycling medal for 72 years.
Hosted at the Izu Velodrome in Tokyo, the track cycling medals will be decided during competition in the first week of August (2nd-8th).
Panic stations for UAE Team Emirates...and there is still 200km to go
I can’t recall a breakaway this big getting away in the opening week of the Tour de France. This usually happens in the final week all the time when the time gaps on GC are massive.
But on Stage 7? This is highly unusual and could turn the Tour upside down if UAE don’t manage it
— Cillian Kelly (@irishpeloton) July 2, 2021
Yellow jersey Mathieu van der Poel, Wout van Aert, Vincenzo Nibali, Kasper Asgreen, Mark Cavendish, Philippe Gilbert, Matej Mohoric and Simon Yates are just a select few of the 24 riders who have made an incredible bid for freedom at the Tour this morning. UAE are panicking and have sent the whole team to the front, but the gap is still going out. It’s over one minute now…193km to go…
Fuelling like a pro
Cav really knows how to prepare himself for a tough day in the saddle at the #TDF2021 👇 pic.twitter.com/UPWLiqKSJ8
— Deceuninck-QuickStep (@deceuninck_qst) July 2, 2021
Something tells us Cav’s escape in the stacked morning breakaway might have been planned, based on these loaded pockets…eating copious amounts of scran is the bit of pro cycling we’d be more than happy signing up for… although admittedly it might be problematic stopping for a slice of cake from the cafe mid-stage.
50 Cent weighs in on Tour de France crash debate...no, really
👀they should jus give her a fine, this was not done with malice. it was just a mistake she wasn’t even looking. 😆They gonna give her 10 years in the FED’s for fu**ing up the bike race. LOL #bransoncognac #lecheminduroi pic.twitter.com/zPvhE2FILO
— 50cent (@50cent) June 30, 2021
Twitter is a weird place at the best of times; a place where anyone can voice their opinion on anything. Even if you’re 50 Cent and the topic is the Tour de France…
The rapper weighed in on the debate surrounding the spectator who caused the crash on the opening stage, telling his 12.6M followers essentially the same message as G and Luke Rowe said yesterday…great minds.
“they should jus give her a fine, this was not done with malice. it was just a mistake she wasn’t even looking. They gonna give her 10 years in the FED’s for fu**ing up the bike race. LOL,” he tweeted with hashtags advertising his Cognac business…
Wait until 50 hears that Mathieu van der Poel and Wout van Aert have launched a 200km breakaway on stage seven…
Petition for 50 Cent to be next President of the UCI #TDF2021 https://t.co/es2Sw5Pdh9
— Issie 💙 (@IssieAtch) July 2, 2021
Going about your daily business and then 50 Cent weighs in on cycling. #TDF2021 https://t.co/vao2Koy0IG pic.twitter.com/qNZyOI4B4r
— Sadhbh O’Shea (@SadhbhOS) July 2, 2021
Won't somebody please think of the Wiggle customers
Wiggle customers may be an unexpected victim as German confectionery giant Haribo says it is struggling to deliver its sugary goods to shops in the UK because of a shortage of lorry drivers. The BBC reports the problem is affecting deliveries of all the company’s sweets. We’ll get in touch with Wiggle to see if you should expect fewer bags of Haribo goodness in your orders…
The haulage industry has blamed the pandemic and Brexit for thousands of unfilled HGV driver jobs. It is estimated that around 30,000 HGV driver tests did not take place last year due to the pandemic which means the industry is working at an estimated shortfall of 60,000 drivers.
Bring your alpaca to work day at the Tour de France (or is it a llama?)
— Cycling out of context (@OutOfCycling) July 2, 2021
Much more civilised than the Giro’s chainsaw-wielding maniacs chasing Egan Bernal up Passo Giau…
Maybe we have a camelid mammal expert in our midst who can give us help with the ID? Anyway, I’m banking on alpaca…
The Cav effect
Result: Isle of Man’s RL360 League
Wins by Mark Cavendish inspire youth riders on the Isle of Man as over 200 turn out for the Youth league (Tuesday) in Douglas despite that football match (England against Germany)https://t.co/ouuGULLfJg pic.twitter.com/hB4NQP6NH6
— VeloUK Cycling Mag (@AussieLarry) July 2, 2021
Where are Britain's best cycling routes?
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The people over at money.co.uk have seen searches for cycling gear increase by 3,890 per cent in the past year and were inspired to find Britain’s best routes. So they analysed all the routes on letsride, looking at the average ratings to come up with the following list…
West Sussex came out on top with an average rating of 6.7 out of 10, closely followed by Cardiff in second with 6.6. East Sussex was third on 6, while Renfrewshire represented Scotland in fourth. Durham, Bristol, South Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire, Tyne and Wear and Suffolk rounded out the top ten in that order.
Interestingly, West Sussex’s routes averaged 7.9 miles and had an elevation of just 87 metres, making them highly rated while also being family and commute friendly. Neighbouring East Sussex’s average routes were by contrast far longer at 29.75 miles with 563.5 metres of climbing.
Did your favourite place to ride make the list? Are there some glaring omissions?
It was a llama after all...Al-pack-up my things and see myself out
Miller has done great work in the comments showing up my shoddy mammal identification. It was a llama.
Also some great shouts for 50 Cent headlines have left me kicking myself. Credit to all involved, we should let you write the headlines more often.
Brompton bling
There’s a bloke here with an absolutely gorgeous copper-plated @BromptonBicycle, one-off custom job. Turns out he lives on the site of the very first factory too. pic.twitter.com/e0ENaKpbHq
— Simon MacMichael (@simonmacmichael) July 2, 2021
Michal Kwiatkowski clashes with Movistar's Alejandro Valverde and Enric Mas after Stage 7
Valverde, Kwiatkowski, and Mas have an animated discussion after the stage pic.twitter.com/UwbWSzFuDn
— Race Radio (@TheRaceRadio) July 2, 2021
There’s plenty to unpack here. Whatever happened away from the cameras left two of Movistar’s leaders visibly agitated, with Enric Mas in particular taking issue with the former world champion. Michal Kwiatkowski, Alejandro Valverde and Mas, all crossed the finish in the main bunch, 5:15 behind stage winner Matej Mohoric. Kwiatkowski’s leader, Richard Carapaz, formerly of Movistar had made a late attack before being chased down by his former teammates.
Kwiatkowski and Valverde were then seen having words as they rolled away from the finish before Mas, who crashed earlier in the stage, went after the Ineos rider to remonstrate about something, grabbing his arm before they continued their ‘discussion’ riding out of shot.
What caused it? Who knows. Hopefully we’ll get some answers soon. One thing we do know is that the third season of Movistar’s Netflix documentary can’t come soon enough…
You just know Kwiatkowski is saying ‘Get the f*** out of my face’ in a scarily controlled voice https://t.co/VZHc5ZAJWw
— VeloVoices (@VeloVoices) July 2, 2021
Keep an eye on the Movistar/Ineos beef centered around Richard Carapaz; it could end up being one of the most compelling storylines of this Tour de France #TDF2021
— Neal Rogers (@nealrogers) July 2, 2021
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Cry me a river architect guy
Hookless is still a bad idea. I agree that it should be safe when all guidelines are adhered to, but that is not always going to happen in the real world. I've had several clients come to my workshop with bikes that they've bought 2nd hand and have no idea what I mean when I ask about their hookless rims. Just yesterday I someone with a Scott bike with Zipp 303 S hookless wheels; he'd been pumping his tubed tires up to 90-100 psi on them, because that's what he's always done. I had to educate him and he's now going to be using his new 30mm tires at 60-65 psi and checking that his pump is somewhat calibrated. Why do brands like Zipp continuing to put people in dangerous situations that are totally unnecessary?
I can't think of anywhere I have seen cyclists getting more space than pedestrians unless we count the fact that twats in cars like to park blocking pavements as a matter of course around me. I would also suggest that if you want people to travel around an area effectively instead of using a car, cycling is the best way to do it. I wouldn't walk 2-3 miles to get somewhere but I would happily cycle it because it would take me about 1/4 of the time or less.
There is basically no cycling infrastructure in Edinburgh that is not either a shared footpath or shared with motor vehicles. Cyclists are subservient in both cases. On shared use paths this is by legislation and common sense. On the road it is because most cycle lanes in residential areas are parking spaces, bus lanes have busses in them and the lanes segregated by wands peppered with give ways to cars every few feet. And people still park in them. Pretty much the only exception is that side of the extremely wide path through the meadows, for a few hundred yards. The total width of the paved region is probably wide enough to land a light aircraft, there is absolutely no restriction to pedestrians and pedestrians completely ignore the cycle markings on one side anyway. Given the colossal amount of space given over to motor vehicles in the city, which are predominantly single occupancy, and the fact it is illegal to cycle on all of the pavements dedicated formpedestrians, I going to put this guy's comments in the "idiotic" category.
I believe the Miners Pension Fund has proved a nice little earner for Government coffers, generating a huge surplus and that Government has been pocketing half of it. This payment that you apparently resent so much is a partial settlement of that unfairness!
Mr Fraser would seem a perfect paraphrase of the old cartoon about the millionaire with a thousand cookies telling the working man with one cookie to watch out or the immigrants will steal his cookie...incidentally, in this age of obesity I often see pedestrians far wider than me and the bike, not to mention people with pushchairs twice as wide or more, they don't feel guilty about the amount of space they're taking from me, or so I surmise from the way they wander into the bike lane whenever it suits them...
Motor-heads are the champions of false equivalence.
10 years in prison for killing a cyclist should be the minimum sentence. The objective is to raise awareness and remind motorists they must remain vigilant at all times when behind the wheel. Drivers who harm people and/or damage properties shall be sent to retest. No excuses. No exceptions.
@wtjs No remorse from the 84 year old driver though. " He fully accepts responsibility and places no blame on the cyclist whatsoever". Which seems to imply he'd like to blame the cyclist if he could.
Hookless and yet still ‘just 1585’ grams. No and no . The only thing ‘industry leading’ is their marketing team that convinces folk to part with their money for this product.
96 thoughts on “Michal Kwiatkowski clashes with Movistar’s Alejandro Valverde and Enric Mas after Stage 7; Lucky cyclist dodges terrifying collision; 50 Cent’s two cents on Tour crash; Britain’s best routes; Brompton bling; The Cav effect + more on the live blog”
So, on the phone, asleep at
So, on the phone, asleep at the wheel or what? It seems the bump up the pavement brought the driver to his senses luckily (althought saving the peds life, he then almost took out the cyclist.)
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
I thought that, but others have commented on not applying brakes before hitting the beacon, so it is possible that hitting the kerb at an angle was enough to deflect the vehicle. but viewing again the car continues staight immediately after crossing the kerb, then suddenly changes direction. I guess drivers instinct is to adjust course and not apply brakes.
This belisha beacon failed to
This belisha beacon failed to make itself visible enough.
Pedestrian should have been wearing hi viz too.
thats got phone use written
thats got phone use written all over it
half_wheel79 wrote:
My thoughts exactly
Riding home last night on an
Riding home last night on an empty road into my village (long straight road), I noticed a car approaching me slowly drift toward the centre line and then across the centre line; I was deciding whether I’d need to take any avoiding action when the car suddenly swerved back across onto the correct side of the road and carried on its merry way…
(Now, the fact that just before it swerved I could see that the driver was leaning down and looking down and to his right inside the car, I’m sure had absolutely nothing to do with anything)
brooksby wrote:
Captain Badger wrote:
I do not think that this word means what you think it means…
brooksby wrote:
But I don’t use it a lot
The very worst part of this
The very worst part of this is the guy gets out of the car and shows not the slightest interest in the two people he’s almost killed. Hands on hips, he looks exasperatedly at his car, “well this is another fine mess you’ve gotten me into”. It’s digusting. The de-humanisation process of driving makes good people bad and bad people worse.
There is no place for cars in built up areas, we can all point at this and exclaim but two people were inches from losing their lives, or at least experiencing life changing injuries and it’s considered completely normal.
Cars should be restricted to areas where they and their drivers can’t harm anyone not in a car. Like the moon.
samuri wrote:
proabaly wasn’t even aware of them cos his BookFace post was more interesting/important. Either that or fell asleep. What a w&nker
Edit. Didn’t even touch the brake until after hitting the eBelisha….
Don’t think it had anything
Don’t think it had anything to do with phones, far more likely to have fallen asleep or had a medical episode. Great reactions by both the cyclist and pedestrian
Nigel Garrage wrote:
You may well be right, although if it was a medical episode it didn’t look acute. Possibly chronic. If that’s the case hopefully that will be taken as prompt to see his GP
If he can get an appointment…..
I think the reason is
I think the reason is irrelevent. The police should charge him for driving without due care and attention (& potentially criminal damage) and see what mitigation the driver presents. If he goes down the medical episode route he might well lose his license entirely.
I suspect that once again no charge will be brought and the incident will be handed over to his insurance company.
I agree. The duty to keep
I agree. The duty to keep control of a vehicle is unequivocally the driver’s. I maintain that there is no such thing as an ‘accident’, and any crash is the result of somebody’s failure.
I was telling this to a group of cubs a while back, when another leader argued (in front of the cubs… can you believe that?!) that if somebody has a medical moment, it’s an accident. I accept that it might be unexpected, but that is mitigation, not an excuse – especially if the illness was known beforehand.
It is for the driver to prove that what is evidently dangerous has some unanticipated cause beyond the driver’s control… and that control extended back to his decision to drive, not just his actions in the moment.
In this case…
… it wasn’t the driver that saved the pedestrian’s or the cyclist’s lives. They each took agile evasive action, without which, the car would have hit them. The car swerved, but not enough. I suspect he was avoiding the building (being the biggest obstacle in his vision), not anybody in his way.
Yes on rewatch, the sweve
Yes on rewatch, the sweve would have been too late on the ped without his jump but that action put the cyclist in a worse situation.
Also on rewatch, anyone see the Chelsea Tractor almost take out the cyclist on the side road as well?
IanMK wrote:
Yes, the medical angle as a possible reason could be gathered, and then the CPS might make a decision with all teh accompanying evidence as to whether to prosecute.
But as you say, I suspect that won’t happen
A ‘medical episode’ ..
A ‘medical episode’ …watching Holby City on his iPad?
if he was asleep, he took long enough to wake up and get out of the car.
if it was heart attack, he made a pretty rapid recovery.
Given the number of people
Given the number of people who are on their phones whilst driving, if it is more likely they are asleep or had a medical episode, then a ban on cars in urban environments would be the solution to this huge problem.
Absolutely, if I saw one
Absolutely, if I saw one driver having a heart attack/stroke/fit for every one driver I see on a mobile phone then Covid and cancer put together would pale into insignificance.
The driver reacts to be able
The driver reacts to be able to swerve from Pedestrian in front because hitting the kerb made him aware he had mounted it. Would he have recovered from a medical thing that fast to perform such a manouvre?
But I agree with the original poster that he almost killed two people, might have actually hit someone at the crossing he was unaware of and then seems to be more intersted in his car damage only, however shock does different things to different people. I’m sure the last lady in shot has Ambulance written on her shirt back, passing paramedic?
pockstone wrote:
I didn’t mention “heart attack”, I said “medical episode”. For example, he could have fainted or similar, or had an undiagnosed underlying condition.
I hope they do follow up on this case, as it will be interesting to see what the underlying cause of the accident was.
You didn’t specifically
You didn’t specifically mention ‘heart attack’ but to lose control like that suggests a pretty serious acute episode, I could have mentioned ‘stroke’ , TIA’ or ‘epileptic fit’. None of which would fit with his ability to get out of/demeanour on getting out of the car.
My money’s still on the phone.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
Reacts remarkably quickly to mounting the kerb (which is a good thing as otherwise the pedestrain would have been killed) for someone who had fallen asleep. I thought falling asleep at the weheel was normally a motorway/rural road type of thing. Very unusual for it to happen in a crowded urban environment.
I hope this results in dangerous driving charges, I think they should be default for anyone who mounts the pavement and demolishes street furniture, as only luck has prevented serious injury to pedestrians. But I doubt it will happen, it will just be treated as another whoopsie, no one killed don’t bother investigating.
“Didn’t even touch the brake
“Didn’t even touch the brake until after hitting the eBelisha….”
Or the vehicle’s system detected a crash and applied it for him !
hirsute wrote:
Shame this crash detection system only works retrospectively……
Captain Badger wrote:
It is a shame, and some modern cars have Collision Avoidance Systems which are meant to apply the brakes before a crash. However, post-collision automatic braking systems are also a thing, designed to prevent secondary collisions (e.g. see https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/automatic-post-collision-braking-system-3660) I’m not enough of a car nerd to work out what model/make the car in the video is to look up what safety equipment is likely to be installed!
OnYerBike wrote:
Every day’s a school day! cheers for the link Onyer, really interesting.
Porsche Cayenne or something
Porsche Cayenne or something very similar I think.
Its a KIA Sportage I believe
Its a KIA Sportage I believe. Blanking out the reg obscures the grill which would have given it away.
https://www.motoringresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IMG_3404.jpg
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
Yep, but an older model. The newer ones send a notification to your phone if you’re about to crash.
Surely it was the car that
Surely it was the car that lost control, mounted the pavement and was then in collision with the crossing beacon? If it was not for the prompt action of the driver both the pedestrian and the cyclist could have been seriously injured.
Car accidents nearly all
Car accidents nearly all suffer this odd way of reporting. ‘The car’ lost control or whatever. When you see a report involving a lone motorcyclist or cyclists it’s always the rider the lost control never the bike. Maybe autonomously driven cars are everywhere I didn’t notice. KITT lives.
Car crashes you mean. The
Car crashes you mean. The word ‘accident’ suggests that it was an unavoidable incident caused by a freak situation. It was a car crash, most likely caused by poor driving. As I commented elsewhere, it’s a straight stretch of road with a 20mph speed limit. If someone can’t drive a vehicle in a straight line at 20mph, they shouldn’t be driving at all.
Mungecrundle wrote:
Mungecrundle wrote:
I think you’ve identified the true hero of the hour Munge, they don’t all wear capes…. Loafers, slacks and a crisply ironed shirt is this lifesaver’s uniform!
Having been away from the
Having been away from the cycling game for quite a few months due to non-cycling related injury I have noticed driving seems worse than ever.
Done a full week of commute cycling and the worst offenders are these online order van twats. Just trying to get my legs back but I feel like I’ll be lucky to have legs at this rate.
May be time to invest in a camera.
Rick_Rude wrote:
I don’t leave home without one these days. It’s an imposition I resent, but it’s necessary due to the aggression from some drivers
Rick_Rude wrote:
Cameras are useful, but on the delivery driver front I’m not sure that trying to tackle the issue from the driver end will make much headway. In larger companies (thinking amazon in particular) the performance metrics rule everything. If a driver slows down to pass cyclists too much or goes doesn’t do the full 60mph down that single track country lane in the wet, or just in general doesn’t drive like a reckless twat, they are likely to lose their jobs.
The whole setup seems to go out of its way to encourage and select for bad driving. Making bad drivers more aware or taking them off the road it important but without any changes to the underlying issues they will just be replaced by equally bad drivers.
tdw wrote:
Do we actually know that? – it may be the case (I don’t work for Amazon) however I’ve heard similar stories about my company, that aren’t actually the case in the slightest. To be clear I have no interest in defending Bezos (or my own CEO for that matter), but how a driver drives is the driver’s responsibility.
Clearly where drivers are penalised for late delivery that would in my view make the company culpable, and they should be chased down. But that is separate campaign to ensuring that drivers fulfil their own culpability on the road for being unduly distracted by outside factors.
Captain Badger wrote:
I must admit I don’t work for amazon either and can’t confirm that this is going on in the UK but the in the US it has recently come out that amazon flex workers (the independent gig based workers) are being rated and “fired” by an algorithm with little to no human oversite, and to top it off the response style of the appeals process rases a couple of red flags that it might also be a bot.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-28/fired-by-bot-amazon-turns-to-machine-managers-and-workers-are-losing-out
tdw wrote:
I must admit I don’t work for amazon either and can’t confirm that this is going on in the UK but the in the US it has recently come out that amazon flex workers (the independent gig based workers) are being rated and “fired” by an algorithm with little to no human oversite, and to top it off the response style of the appeals process rases a couple of red flags that it might also be a bot.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-06-28/fired-by-bot-amazon-turns-to-machine-managers-and-workers-are-losing-out— Captain Badger
Absolutely, their workers rights record is appalling, and deserves condemnation in itself.
Edit: just read that article. Sickening.
They might not have got the
They might not have got the algorith quite right yet, but I welcome the idea of being managed by a robot. No more nepotism and personal favours, but raw meritocratic talent shining through.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
Not getting it quite right means still in testing whilst running alongside accountable (human) systems. It doesn’t look like this was the case reading the article – basically sacking people wholesale for no good reason. Don’t forget what’ “right” for Bezos isn’t necessarily ethically right, or even pragmatically right for the individuals or wider society
In addition they also have form on recruitment algorithms. ” What does merit look like?” basically translated to white, male and middle class, which was what the algorithms were frighteningly able to pick up in spite of anonymising CVs. Note that the algos themselves weren’t racist classist or sexist, neither was Amazon’s intent (probably) but the results most certainly were.
No, fallible humans that can be held accountable, retrained or redeployed for me every time
Plenty of articles out there
Plenty of articles out there about racism unintentionally programmed into Algorithims and AI bots. (plus other biases as well.)
Rick_Rude wrote:
If you haven’t seen “Sorry, We Missed You” it is well worth a view. Like others, I won’t ride on the road without two cameras.
The cameras will look very cheap when you are contesting the driver’s version when you claim damages.
It’s ‘odds on’ the driver was
It’s ‘odds on’ the driver was on a mobile device of some kind……and failed to see a zebra crossing/pedestrian,cyclist…..
And the sad fact is that shoulders are shrugged but nothing can/will be done.
At first I wondered if the
At first I wondered if the driver had a medical episode of some kind. But then you see the person stepping out of the vehicle a bit after the impact. The driver was either drunk or distracted by a phone. That’s a straight stretch of road and it’ll have a 20mph speed limit now. If you can’t drive along a striaght bit of road at 20mph then you shouldn’t be driving at all.
OldRidgeback wrote:
I agree that those are the most likely, but there is the possibility of, for example, an absence seizure (previously known as petit mal epilepsy) in which an individual can zone out for a few seconds and then be back as if nothing happened. People can have this sort of condition for years without ever noticing it, or simply regarding it as having poor concentration abilities, until one occurs in a critical situation such as driving a car. I daresay the reason will come out in the wash, just thank goodness nobody seems to have been hurt.
Velophaart_95 wrote:
I thought the same, but there are other, less plausible perhaps, explanations; attacked by a wasp, sneezing fit, attacked by passenger……
eburtthebike wrote:
Of course! The passenger had a medical episode. Then they died and woke up as a zombie. And the driver was just so very distracted by all that….
(Sorry, been watching ‘Black Summer’ on Netflix).
On the ITV thing,anyone been
On the ITV thing,anyone been listening to Ned & Dave’s Never Strays Far podcast ? Apparently they are sharing hotel & production studios with the ITV Euro2020 football crew and Ned had a very interesting chat over breakfast with Roy Keane who is very much into his cycling, though sadly not an audio interview for the podcast, but definitely worth a listen.
“the latter can be seen stood
“the latter can be seen stood further up the road”. By whom?
By anybody who watches the
By anybody who watches the video.
stood by whom?
stood by whom?
Gerraint Thomas, Nigel
Gerraint Thomas, Nigel Garrage and 50 cent. Even the angriest ranter on here has to agree with one of us! Love 50 Cent! There definitely seems to be a consensus building around the dubious nature of how it came to pass that a pro rider was taken out by a stationary piece of cardboard.
Would be great to hear more voices from the black community on this like lil Pump and Candace Owens.
50 cent gives his 10 penneth
50 cent gives his 10 penneth
2 cent’s (or tuppence) worth
2 cent’s (or tuppence) worth surely? Fancy missing that pun, sack the headline writer!
I came to comments just for
I came to comments just for this. 52 cent
Ratfink wrote:
Very good sir, very very good!
Nigel Garrage wrote:
Not Candace Owens, the notable far-right speaker and anti-semite (look it up: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/01/candace-owens/no-soros-and-foundation-do-not-pay-people-protest/), and Lil Pump aka Gazzy Garcia, the rapper who is of – wait for it – Peurto Rican, i.e. Latin American heritage?
vthejk wrote:
Sigh, I was merely alluding to the fact that you rarely hear black voices in cycling and how refreshing it is to hear that 50 Cent’s is clearly a fan. I’d love to see someone like stormzy make a comment too.
Candace Owens is a visionary commentator and has a good shot at being candidate as the first black female president of the US. Her book – Blackout – is a must-read. Lil Pump isn’t from Puerto Rico either.
Btw – I’m sure Ms Owens, a mainstream Conservative, won’t be paying any attention to Politi-lies, the same Democrat/Pro-CCP organisation that stated the theory that Covid-19 started in a lab was “Inaccurate and ridiculous. We rate it Pants on Fire!”
Why doesn’t it surprise me to hear you were “training to be a teacher”?
You have got what you aimed
You have got what you aimed for Nigel, it started with a discussion on the TdF incident and you have steered it towards the ‘Culture War’.
Must make you very happy.
Entirely my fault and I do
Entirely my fault and I do apologise for rising to it, but the rubbish gall of someone claiming to ‘promote black voices’ while somehow inserting contentious political views AND mis-identifying someone’s ethnicity got to me. I am new here, though – easily done.
No need to apologise.
No need to apologise.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
Way to dredge up other comments made by me in an attempt at some form of argument. I’ll blame my ineptitude in typing Lil Pump’s heritage wrongly on the Year 7 Art and Design class I’ve just taught (as an employed teacher, shock!) – they were a handful and I am tired. He is of Columbian descent, though, so IS Latin American, Latino or Latinx as is more universally acknowledged these days. He isn’t Black, hence my point. Not that I would ever confuse Columbia and Puerto Rico or ‘claim they’re all the same,’ before you think of making such accusations.
I should’ve guessed this was going to turn into a consiparacy theory war. Whatever your contentious views on Candace Owens, it is funny how you wish to hear more from the Black community and yet choose an agreeably controversial political speaker, a Black rapper, another (not Black) rapper and a Grime artist, and why not, say, the fantastic Justin Williams, former USA national crit and road race champ? He certainly seems to be a prominent voice in the subject.
Perhaps let’s not turn this article highlighting the funny and unexpected instance of 50 Cent tweeting about the TdF – significant i this instance not because he is a Black man tweeting about cycling, but a rapper with little connection to the sport tweeting about cycling – into a half-cocked statement on ‘it’s good to see black voices talk about cycling’? Because it is, it’s great, but your response simply sounds like a phoney and poorly researched attempt into ‘promoting’ diversity while somehow pushing controversial opinions forward.
You owned him and neatly
You owned him and neatly skewered his increasingly bizarre attempts to simultaneously be a raging Tory and at the same time some sort of race/gender/disability liberal, just because in his usual pathetically supercilious way he desperately attempted to wriggle out doesn’t change that.
vthejk wrote:
Let’s be clear: The only reason why this story was reported, in my view, was due to it being “culturally unusual” for a black rapper to discuss cycling. If black rappers talked about cycling all the time the story wouldn’t have commanded a headline. So yes, it is great to see this interest.
And on this ridiculous “Tory supports liberal causes” bullshit, of course free market advocates want to best in society to rise up and be the best, it’s how the economy will function optimally and meritocratically.
Which is the reason why the Tories have many many BAME superstars their team (here’s looking at you Priti Patel and Kemi Badenoch, amongst others), while Labour has a 3rd rate solicitor in charge whose only interest in bicycles was avoiding getting prosecuted when he ran over a cyclist in his Range Rover on the way to the tailor’s.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
I took it as more it is unusual for 50c to mention cycling. We’ve had reports o from Road.cc on all kinds of surprising people weighing into various cycling related stories
Me, it just made me smile
Btw it’s unusual to call villains like Patel “superstars”. As for Badenoch… who?? (yes I know who she is, but she’s hardly a superstar…)
I don’t get why, for some
I don’t get why, for some reason, Nigel sees 50 Cent’s involvement as being that of a ‘black rapper’ talking about cycling. No appreciation for how random it is for 50 Cent, a man who had previously never shown any interest in cycling, tweeting about the TdF. If anything, surely this speaks about how cross-cutting and divisive the whole issue of the crash is (suuuuuurely, the point of this article in the first place)? I mean, it’s in every newspaper and outlet. This ain’t no step towards ‘bringing more black voices into cycling’ or any such BS conclusions.
It made the Late Show
It made the Late Show Monologue on Monday or Tuesday.
Nigel Garrage wrote:
Not the the theory published independently by a scientist, non-peer-reviewed and rubbished by pretty much every other academic body including the WHO?
And unlike the famous Fox
And unlike the famous Fox Legally Non-News shows, Politifacts acknowledge when new information might be available that could change a discourse. Although of course the same Political Alignment that turns “Dr Seuss Organisation have decided to stop publishing a couple of minor books with majorly racist depictions” into claims “The Left are cancelling Cat in the Hat!” wouldn’t be able to spot the difference of claims it was “definitely man-made and deliberately released” to “investigating if it had accidently escaped from a bio lab that studies these natural diseases”. Nope, just use it as another excuse to debunk a source for fake news and carry on watching the Anti-Woke channels and papers who never lie.
AlsoSomniloquism wrote:
Some interesting tangential posturing there, but the base problem with politi-lies is that it pretends to have a crystal ball where certain people are favoured and others aren’t. In the case of the story I linked to, it should have been given a rating of “unproven” or “speculative” at worst. Compare this to the disgraceful sucking up they did to Barack Obama, for example.
As always, I approach these things without the need for a biased “fact checker” to tell me what to think, and with a bit of common sense and independent thought I’m able to rise above the noise and debate to form sensible, solid conclusions with an open mind.
The WHO are a disgrace and
The WHO are a disgrace and Donald Trump was right to defund them, as they are a mouthpiece of the CCP. Check this out for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlCYFh8U2xM.
So, Owens is an anti-Semite
‘Not Candace Owens, the notable far-right speaker and anti-semite (look it up: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/01/candace-owens/no-soros…(link is external)), and Lil Pump aka Gazzy Garcia, the rapper who is of – wait for it – Peurto Rican, i.e. Latin American heritage?’
So, Owens is an anti-Semite eh? I’d be very careful with defamatory claims like that, without having very good evidence to back it up.
It doesn’t really meet any
It doesn’t really meet any criteria for being defamatory, so your concern for vthejk is kind but misplaced.
It’s a view that any reasonable person could hold, due to her comments in support of Hitler. It doesn’t cause her serious harm or damage her reputation, partly because her supporters don’t mind her holding these sort of views but also because it’s a comment below the line in a cycling thread where no-one she knows will read it.
Although if you meant it might provoke right-wing loons into hounding him, you might have point.
Always nice to see cycling
Always nice to see cycling reaching a wider audience but ‘it was just a mistake she wasn’t even looking’….err thats the whole point fiddy
The reaction time from the
The reaction time from the ambulance though!
It drives me up the wall that
It drives me up the wall that Wiggle send me sweets I didn’t order, in plastic packaging. They just go in the bin – what a waste.
Same, I add a note to the
Same, I add a note to the order for them to be removed which generally works
HarrogateSpa wrote:
I use them instead of gels, fast energy in about the right amount
I’ve never liked Haribo, but
I’ve never liked Haribo, but cant remember the last time I got some from Wiggle in an order, I thought after their last buy out theyd kind of stopped it.
Has Sigma squeezed Wiggle out
Has Sigma squeezed Wiggle out of the market? I had some Haribo in the last order I received from them.
We all know what they’re for.
We all know what they’re for. If you’re single and your deliveries are not under scrutiny at home, good for you. For a lot of us who are, they’re the right sweet treat in the right place at the right time.
> Bring your alpaca to work
> Bring your alpaca to work day at the Tour de France (or is it a llama?)
It was a llama, not an alpaca. Here are some alpacas:
Miller wrote:
No need to be a-llama-ed. Alpaca some lunch to take with us…
Teams should start sponsoring
Teams should start sponsoring roadside camelids, then we could have Alpecin Alpacas.
That’s Sean on the right,
That’s Sean on the right, there.
Twitter
Twitter
“I had to swerve several times before finally hitting the cyclist! “
Re. car mounting pavement. We
Re. car mounting pavement. We can debate the cause but we can be pretty sure that all the driver has to do is say he had a “momentary lapse of concentration” and he needs to drive for his job and he’s off scott free.
Too bad the belisha beacon
Too bad the belisha beacon crashed into his Porsche and wrecked it. Otherwise, having skilfully avoided the uninsured cyclist and the oblivious pedestrian the unfortunate motorist could have continued unimpeded to his destination. I think he’s got a strong case against the council.
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How does this crap make it in
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