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LADbible readers talk cycling…but only to moan about Highway Code changes; “The strongest message is a good bike trip!”: Your thoughts on cycling advocacy; Desert Island Disc wheel; Wout van Aert potatogate; Zwift with Chris Hoy + more on the live blog

How do you do this again? Dan Alexander returns to the live blog today…don’t worry, Ryan will be back soon!
  • by Dan Alexander
Wed, Jan 19, 2022 08:57
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SUMMARY

  • What is the strongest pro-cycling message?
  • Desert Island Disc (wheel)
  • Merckx's monster year
  • "The strongest message is a good bike trip!": Your thoughts on cycling advocacy
  • Wout van Aert sparks 'potato peelergate'
  • LADbible readers talk cycling...but only to moan about Highway Code changes
  • Why do less than 1% of Dutch cyclists wear a helmet?
  • Why don't Cofidis just try harder?
  • From Somerset? Ride a carbon bike? Like cheese?
  • East Suffolk cycling and walking plans "lack ambition"
  • All Points North | Go The Distance
  • Ride with Sir Chris Hoy
  • CANYON//SRAM's cool kit
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19 January 2022, 08:57

What is the strongest pro-cycling message?

Leeds pop-up cycle lane (Leeds Council)
Leeds pop-up cycle lane (Leeds Council) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Leeds pop-up cycle lane (Leeds Council)
Leeds pop-up cycle lane (Leeds Council) (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Being a cyclist is different to most hobbies/transport/sports…you rarely have to justify your existence as a Sunday league footballer or someone who commutes by train.

Yet, getting about by two wheels can land you in coffee break chats with colleagues, pub discussions with mates and Christmas dinner drudgery having to explain yourself…

Whether it’s helmet use, cycle lanes, stopping at red lights, doping in pro cycling, you’ve all probably had it explained to you at some point or other…and, if you really want to put yourself through it, hopping on social media is a quick way to hear just how many people have something to say about you riding a bike.

So what do you say back? This Twitter thread outlines why one rider thinks the strongest cycling advocacy message is the simplest — “cyclists don’t deserve to die riding their bikes”.

A hot take I have is that cycling advocacy is strongest when the message is at its simplest: cyclists don’t deserve to die riding their bikes. Period. That is the core, visceral truth of it. It is the message that speaks clearest and with the utmost humanity.

— rebecca midwest (@mcmansionhell) January 18, 2022

What about the other stuff?

Anecdotal but my parents started seeing cyclists on the road differently when I became one, when there was a human face on the issue. They live in the middle of nowhere and don’t care about mobility that doesn’t exist there. Still to them the cyclists should be safe

— rebecca midwest (@mcmansionhell) January 18, 2022

What do we reckon?

19 January 2022, 08:57

Desert Island Disc (wheel)

Things that happen at Eolo Kometa’s training camp…because Cycling is music.#Eok22dream pic.twitter.com/lTQEGMezo6

— EoloKometaCyclingTeam (@EoloKometaTeam) January 17, 2022

It’s cool, but it’s not quite performing Darude’s Sandstorm with the help of a Tacx Neo… 

In November 2020 (what a time to be alive that was) Aussie pro Cyrus Monk put his quarantine time to good use, recreating classic tracks with items from around his hotel room. First, Nirvana’s Come As You Are, then the Tacx-enabled noughties dance classic, finishing with a rendition of Down Under by Men at Work.

19 January 2022, 08:57

Merckx's monster year

Eddy Merckx’s 1972 season:

Tour de France
Giro d’Italia
10 Grand Tour stages
Milano-Sanremo
Liege-Bastogne-Liege
Il Lombardia
Fleche Wallonne
Scheldeprijs
Giro dell’Emilia
Giro del Piemonte
Escalada a Montjuic
Hour Record

— CafeRoubaix (@CafeRoubaix) January 18, 2022

What did Frank Sinatra sing again? It was a very good year for Eddy Merckx in 1972, was it? I think that’s how it goes…

19 January 2022, 08:57

"The strongest message is a good bike trip!": Your thoughts on cycling advocacy

Credit: Wiggle - cyclist
Credit: Wiggle - cyclist (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Credit: Wiggle - cyclist
Credit: Wiggle – cyclist (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Right, let’s round-up that morning musing about cycling advocacy with some of your comments…

Chrisonatrike reckons we should be celebrating the joy of the ride: “The strongest pro-cycling-as-transport message is a good bike trip! I got to exactly where I wanted, with less stress, got some pleasant exercise, could enjoy being outside, noticed some things along the way I probably don’t in a car and might even have got there faster.”

Steve K commented on the original ‘cyclists don’t deserve to die riding their bikes’ thought…”It’s very strong message, but I think where it falls down is the response becomes ‘that’s why I don’t ride a bike, it’s too dangerous’ and ‘I do worry about you riding on busy roads – I wish you’d just get the bus/train/drive’. I.e – rather than let’s make it safer, it’s ‘you’re right, it’s dangerous – people shouldn’t do it’.”

SimoninSpalding channeled his inner sub-editor: “To avoid the possibility of this being divisive I would amend the message to ‘NOBODY deserves to die on the road through the actions of another.’ I am sure I am not the only one that has been told to my face by a motorist that I deserve to die, and there have been the rare but high-profile incidents where pedestrians have died as a result of the actions of a cyclist.”

19 January 2022, 08:57

Wout van Aert sparks 'potato peelergate'

 
 
 
 
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A post shared by Domo Elektro (@domo_elektro_)

Wout van Aert has gone all big time on us. Cristiano Ronaldo represented Armani, Lionel Messi with Adidas, Roger Federer and Rolex. All the best athletes get monster sponsorship deals with high-profile luxurious brands. 

That’s why Van Aert is popping up in *checks notes* Belgian household electrics brand Domo Elektro’s social media ads…pro cycling has a long way to go before it’s at the top table…

Some were more concerned with how Wout peels his potatoes…

So… Wout is doing something to a sweet potato… but what on Earth is that thing in his hand? Do Belgians use different peeling devices to the rest of us? Am I living a sheltered life?! 😅 pic.twitter.com/54wnqvtW4Y

— Katy M (counting down to road season) (@writebikerepeat) January 18, 2022

Cue aero jokes…

So quick even his peeler is aero. Something like this maybe? pic.twitter.com/2HeKYGUSCU

— blueskies820 (@craigw8844) January 18, 2022

19 January 2022, 08:57

LADbible readers talk cycling...but only to moan about Highway Code changes

Selling a car if anyone wants it 🤦🏻‍♂ https://t.co/bgoX1uqr8h

— Callum Mein (@CallumMein) January 18, 2022

LADbible: “A place for the people”…the Facebook page says. Stop laughing at the back. The news site “created for the youth community” dipped into the cycling world to share with its readers the Highway Code changes that come into force next week.

> Public must be told about Highway Code changes, says Cycling UK

As expected, the site’s readership was a wealth of healthy debate and constructive feedback…not. I said they moaned about the Highway Code changes…maybe it would be more accurate to say most of the comments were actually just about what they wanted to see changed…e.g. people on bikes on the road.

 It’s been too long since I heard the words ‘road tax’. I now don’t want to hear them ever again…

Neither of them pay Road Tax, it was abolished in 1937. Roads are funded from Council Tax and general taxation, so cyclists pay as much as everyone else towards them. Whilst causing minimal road wear and not causing any pollution.

— Christopher Day (@IndieChris71) January 18, 2022

 Another classic up next…presumably Ben converted his motor to a single file seating arrangement too?

Stop cyclists riding next to eachother on roads. Drives me mad. Single file rule

— Ben Mullard (@mullet_90) January 18, 2022

Insurance is risk based, cyclists are very low risk. When cyclists do this, they’ll have compulsory insurance pic.twitter.com/ZpWgfHHju2

— Take That, Cyclists! (@TakeThatCycIist) January 18, 2022

And, one we haven’t heard before (rare for anti-cycling bingo, I know)…

make it a law so that cyclist’s can’t go down country lanes that are either 50mph or 60..

— 👽 (@EvOLLzz) January 18, 2022

One we definitely have heard before…

The new Highway Code rules make it very clear that there is no obligation for them to use cycle lanes, and that usage of cycle lanes is a free choice to be made by a rider depending on their experience and skills and the situation at the time. You should read it.

— #99 (@HateToHate) January 18, 2022

19 January 2022, 08:57

Why do less than 1% of Dutch cyclists wear a helmet?

Less than 1% of Dutch cyclists wear a helmet, because true traffic safety is reached through engineering and infrastructure, not by covering the heads of the most vulnerable road users.

Video @modacitylife pic.twitter.com/kN6CUI3Q4t

— Dirk Janssen🇳🇱🇺🇸 (@NLinSF) January 18, 2022

19 January 2022, 08:57

Why don't Cofidis just try harder?

“There’s 21 stages every Grand Tour, I don’t know why Cofidis like just don’t work harder just to win all of them.” pic.twitter.com/l6DRmjGK1Z

— Quicklink Podcast (@QuicklinkPod) January 19, 2022

Fine, we’re a week late to this meme, but it’ll be a good reader demographic test…

I didn’t have many of our readership down as big Love Island fans, but maybe you now unfortunately know who this is thanks to her heavily criticised comments a couple of weeks back about how people should just work harder…we’ve all got the same 24 hours in the day, after all.

Anyway, if that’s all gone over your head I wouldn’t bother wasting your time looking up who she is. It’ll only make you wish you hadn’t…

Now if only Cofidis just tried harder… 

19 January 2022, 08:57

From Somerset? Ride a carbon bike? Like cheese?

Editor Jack pitched this one to me as possibly “the most tenuous live blog post ever” so bear with while we try and unpack this into something vaguely cycling-related. The headline? Wyke Farms has launched the world’s first carbon-neutral branded cheddar.

Well, if you’re local to road.cc in Bath then perhaps you like riding in the Mendips? The very same Mendips where Wyke Farms, the UK’s largest independent cheese producer, makes its world-first carbon-neutral cheese…

Maybe you ride a carbon bike? Carbon…as in carbon-neutral…like…Wyke Farms Ivy Reserve world-first carbon-neutral cheddar?

I told you the link was tenuous…and no, we haven’t been paid to say any of this or been sent any free samples.

Anyway, it’s matured for 18 months under wood to bring out an “unmatched ’rounded’ flavour profile” (whatever that means)…”slightly sweet, nutty, and complex, this award-winning Cheddar cheese is everything that a Cheddar from Somerset, the home of Cheddar should be”. 

If you’re not from Somerset, don’t like cheese and don’t ride a carbon bike, then I apologise for what you’ve just read…right, distraction over, let’s get back to the normal stuff…

19 January 2022, 08:57

East Suffolk cycling and walking plans "lack ambition"

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oxon travel cycle lane picture 2 - via twitter (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
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oxon travel cycle lane picture 2 – via twitter (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Measures to encourage active travel in east Suffolk don’t go far enough, according to councillors. The Green Party at East Suffolk Council told the BBC it feels safety concerns are hindering people from cycling, and the Conservative authority’s walking and cycling strategy needed to go further.

A consultation on the plan ended last week, with responses now being considered. Suffolk Coastal Green party chairman Julian Cusack said that although many of the measures were welcome, “We are disappointed that the council’s plans for rural areas lack ambition.

“The council does not seem to recognise that people are deterred from cycling between villages or into their local town by understandable fears for their safety. The gold standard for cycling is physical separation from motor vehicles and pedestrians.”

19 January 2022, 08:57

All Points North | Go The Distance

All Points North is a self-supported, ultra-distance, endurance cycling event, organised by Angela Walker from A Different Gear, an independent bike shop in Sheffield.

Riders are able to choose their own route around 10 checkpoints. In 2021, ultra-cyclist and Kinesis Brand Ambassador Rupert Robinson finished 9th in 60 hours and 16 minutes, on less than an hour of sleep. This documentary follows him from start to finish through the magical landscapes of northern England.

19 January 2022, 08:57

Ride with Sir Chris Hoy

Last reminder for this evening’s @GoZwift ride for #DoddieAid! Starts at 6:15pm; 25km social ride. We have a cracking line up tonight-@v_pendleton plus stars from the world of TV, rugby, F1 and of course cycling too! Sign up here, all to support @MNDoddie5 https://t.co/8UZpol9tyh

— Sir Chris Hoy (@chrishoy) January 19, 2022

One and a half hour warning if you want to go for a Zwift spin with a six-time Olympic gold medallist. It’s listed as a social ride at a pace of 2.5-3w/kg up until the 20km mark when it is “every man, women and dog for themselves and a race to the finish for those with a competitive streak.”

The ride is in aid of raising funds and awareness for Doddie Weir’s My Name’5 Doddie Foundation, which aims to find effective treatments for the currently incurable MND/ALS.

Full info here 👉: Chris Hoy’s Doddie Aid Social 25km

19 January 2022, 08:57

CANYON//SRAM's cool kit

Capturing the chaos of the elements, our all-new CANYON//SRAM Racing design charts the energy the team will bring to attack the 2022 campaign.#TakeTheLead

🎥 by @ertzuifilm for our new clothing partner @canyon_bikes pic.twitter.com/y7Em7HnURn

— CANYON//SRAM Racing (@WMNcycling) January 19, 2022

Let’s end the day with a colourful new kit…

I’d be lying if I said I fully understood the meaning behind it…but it’s a bit different, and definitely catches the eye in the peloton. 

If you’re joining Sir Chris’s Zwift spin then I hope you’re nicely warmed up…we’ll be back in the same place tomorrow for another live blog… 

19 January 2022, 08:57

Check out the big bike trends coming your way in 2022

Check out the big bike trends coming your way in 2022

Find out all about the tech trends we expect to see – or in some cases hope to see – this year

19 January 2022, 08:57

Brompton drops its ‘lightest bike ever’: new 7.45kg titanium version of iconic folding bike revealed

Brompton drops its ‘lightest bike ever’: new 7.45kg titanium version of iconic folding bike revealed

A new steel-armoured carbon seatpost is specced for its low weight and ability to withstand daily use on a folding bike

19 January 2022, 08:57

Residents blame increase in motorist-related collisions on recently installed cycle lanes

Residents blame increase in motorist-related collisions on recently installed cycle lanes

An Edinburgh residents group says the new pop-up lanes are at fault for a surge in accidents in the area, despite three of the five reported collisions involving drunk, distracted, or hit-and-run drivers

19 January 2022, 08:57

Here’s why the bike shortage isn’t going away any time soon

Here’s why the bike shortage isn’t going away any time soon

China’s omicron lockdown measures along with ever-prevalent imbalances in the shipping container chain are not good news for seeing the end of supply chain issues

19 January 2022, 08:57

Tory activist criticised for “anti-cyclist” and “jingoistic” opposition to new roundabout

Tory activist criticised for “anti-cyclist” and “jingoistic” opposition to new roundabout

Olly Scargill published a leaflet opposing North Tyneside Council’s plans to construct a Dutch-style roundabout at Rake Lane

19 January 2022, 08:57

Apeman promises "all in one cycling safety solution" with new Seeker action camera featuring 'rearview e-mirror'

Apeman promises "all in one cycling safety solution" with new Seeker action camera featuring 'rearview e-mirror'

The e-mirror is designed to keep you informed on any incoming vehicles from behind, “allowing you to safely change between lanes without worry” says Apeman

19 January 2022, 08:57

SRAM acquires GPS computer brand Hammerhead

SRAM acquires GPS computer brand Hammerhead

Component giant jumps into cycle computer market with latest addition to portfolio

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Dan Alexander
Dan was the road.cc news editor from 2022-2026. He joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan mainly wrote news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too. Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, you’ll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he’ll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he’s a bit strange like that.  

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57 thoughts on “LADbible readers talk cycling…but only to moan about Highway Code changes; “The strongest message is a good bike trip!”: Your thoughts on cycling advocacy; Desert Island Disc wheel; Wout van Aert potatogate; Zwift with Chris Hoy + more on the live blog”

  1. AlsoSomniloquism
    January 19, 2022 at 9:11 am
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    And yet certain columnists

    And yet certain columnists and main newspapers do seem to allow the message of “killing a cyclist is ok as they are annoying” to be broadcast out there with little acceptance of responsibilities. And then call it a joke. 

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  2. SimoninSpalding
    January 19, 2022 at 9:19 am
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    To avoid the possibility of

    To avoid the possibility of this being divisive I would amend the message to “NOBODY deserves to die on the road through the actions of another.” I am sure I am not the only one that has been told to my face by a motorist that I deserve to die, and there have been the rare but high profile incidents where pedestrians have died as a result of the actions of a cyclist.

    I think the trick that was missed with the latest Highway Code proposals is the heirarchy has been couched in terms of responsibility, when actually it should be a vulnerability heirarchy (which should be self-evident anyway), then you could avoid representative groups such as RHA and AA campaigning against.

    Most cyclists I know instinctively get this, we are more vulnerable than motor vehicles but less vulnerable than pedestrians and horse riders and behave accordingly. Most motorists get it when it comes to horses, they just need reminding (repeatedly) where cyclists sit in terms of vulnerability.

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    • marmotte27
      January 19, 2022 at 9:39 am
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      SimoninSpalding wrote:

      we are more vulnerable than motor vehicles but less vulnerable than pedestrians

      — SimoninSpalding

      I don’t think so. When hit we have no more a crumple zone than pedestrians and fall from higher up. And we can’t instantly change direction and jump back like a pedestrian.

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      • wycombewheeler
        January 19, 2022 at 9:44 am
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        marmotte27 wrote:

        we are more vulnerable than motor vehicles but less vulnerable than pedestrians

        — marmotte27

        I don’t think so. When hit we have no more a crumple zone than pedestrians and fall from higher up. And we can’t instantly change direction and jump back like a pedestrian.

        — SimoninSpalding

        Depends on whether or not you wear a helmet I suppose. I have missed the campaigns for pedestrians to use helmets when crossing the road, obviously so have the pedestrians as they are steadfastly refusing to adopt this safety measure that can do no harm, and will be worth it if it saves one life….

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        • Backladder
          January 19, 2022 at 4:54 pm
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          “that can do no harm”

          “that can do no harm”

          be very careful with that phrase

          will be worth it if it saves one life…

          and that one, the government will find a way to use them against you!

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          • wycombewheeler
            January 20, 2022 at 1:23 am
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            Backladder wrote:

            “that can do no harm”

            be very careful with that phrase

            will be worth it if it saves one life…

            and that one, the government will find a way to use them against you!

            — Backladder

            clearly missed the whole point, which was to show how ridiculous these phrases are (which are routinely used in the pro cycling helmet arguments), by applying them to pedestrians.

      • SimoninSpalding
        January 19, 2022 at 9:56 am
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        But we do have 10kg of metal

        But we do have 10kg of metal and carbon that typically impacts a pedestrian first and at greater speeds than a pedestrian can achieve.

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        • marmotte27
          January 19, 2022 at 1:10 pm
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          SimoninSpalding wrote:

          But we do have 10kg of metal and carbon that typically impacts a pedestrian first and at greater speeds than a pedestrian can achieve.

          — SimoninSpalding

          This and (mainly) the speed at which we move our slightly larger weight is why we have greater responsibility. But the bike doesn’t protect us from anything, rather the reverse. So we’re not less vulnerable, but rather more.

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      • Secret_squirrel
        January 19, 2022 at 2:07 pm
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        marmotte27 wrote:

        we are more vulnerable than motor vehicles but less vulnerable than pedestrians

        — marmotte27

        I don’t think so. When hit we have no more a crumple zone than pedestrians and fall from higher up. And we can’t instantly change direction and jump back like a pedestrian.

        — SimoninSpalding

        Depends how you define vunerability.  A good stab is on here by looking at Deaths: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-road-user-risk/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-road-user-risk-2020-data

        TL:DR. – Car occupants then Motor cyclists most likely to die followed Pedestrians then Cyclists in terms of absolute deaths.

        Per mile travelled its Motorcyclists with a tie next for Peds vs Cyclista’s.

         

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    • Captain Badger
      January 19, 2022 at 9:40 am
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      SimoninSpalding wrote:

      To avoid the possibility of this being divisive I would amend the message to “NOBODY deserves to die on the road through the actions of another.” I am sure I am not the only one that has been told to my face by a motorist that I deserve to die, and there have been the rare but high profile incidents where pedestrians have died as a result of the actions of a cyclist.

      I think the trick that was missed with the latest Highway Code proposals is the heirarchy has been couched in terms of responsibility, when actually it should be a vulnerability heirarchy (which should be self-evident anyway), then you could avoid representative groups such as RHA and AA campaigning against.

      Most cyclists I know instinctively get this, we are more vulnerable than motor vehicles but less vulnerable than pedestrians and horse riders and behave accordingly. Most motorists get it when it comes to horses, they just need reminding (repeatedly) where cyclists sit in terms of vulnerability.

      — SimoninSpalding

      Did the AA actually campaign against? – I’ve slagged them off myself on this estimable organ many times, but I think their main gripe here was the (lack of) publicity campaign.

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    • chrisonabike
      January 19, 2022 at 10:22 am
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      Cyclists are in an odd place

      Cyclists are in an odd place in the vulnerability / responsibility map.  If they hit pedestrians that can certainly cause serious injury or even death, but as mentioned the cyclist may be falling from a greater height (especially on a more upright “transportation” bike). Also cyclists move at higher speeds and in many collisions (whether with pedestrian or other) this means they end up absorbing more energy than e.g. a pedestrian falling. In collision with a pedestrian the cyclist may come off the bike and keep moving until they hit something else.

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      • Captain Badger
        January 19, 2022 at 10:49 am
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        chrisonatrike wrote:

        Cyclists are in an odd place in the vulnerability / responsibility map.  If they hit pedestrians that can certainly cause serious injury or even death, but as mentioned the cyclist may be falling from a greater height (especially on a more upright “transportation” bike). Also cyclists move at higher speeds and in many collisions (whether with pedestrian or other) this means they end up absorbing more energy than e.g. a pedestrian falling. In collision with a pedestrian the cyclist may come off the bike and keep moving until they hit something else.

        — chrisonatrike

        Did I read some where that annually whereas typically 1-2 peds are killed in collisions with cyclists, 6 cyclists closed their lives in this way?

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        • chrisonabike
          January 19, 2022 at 1:56 pm
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          Captain Badger wrote:

          [bloody pedestrians]

          — Captain Badger

          Did I read some where that annually whereas typically 1-2 peds are killed in collisions with cyclists, 6 cyclists closed their lives in this way?

          — chrisonatrike

          I’m not aware of that one but it could be true. Gotta be careful on these though because you pick a set of figures then have to unpick where the data was from, how that data was “coded” etc.

          But it’s true in my experience – pedestrians have killed me at least as many times as I’ve killed them. Bloody pedestrians. And their dogs / goats / pigs.

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    • Shelders
      January 19, 2022 at 11:03 am
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      SimoninSpalding wrote:

      “NOBODY deserves to die on the road through the actions of another.”

      — SimoninSpalding

      The issue I have with this is that it becomes a little like the “All lives matter” response to Black Lives Matter, while not meaning in any way to diminish the BLM movement.

      Cyclists are the ones mainly in danger so need highlighting as more vulnerable to those likely to cause more harm. i.e. drivers of motor vehicles 

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      • SimoninSpalding
        January 19, 2022 at 1:34 pm
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        I was thinking about this
        I was thinking about this comparison when I posted. I am very definitely not someone who argues against BLM, but as cyclists are seen in some quarters as arrogant selfish entitled lycra louts I wanted to bring other vulnerable road users along with us.

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        • chrisonabike
          January 19, 2022 at 1:57 pm
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          SimoninSpalding wrote:

          I wanted to bring other vulnerable road users along with us.

          — SimoninSpalding

          I hate it when that happens – slows you right down until you’ve unhooked them from your rack / fished them out of your wheel…

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        • GMBasix
          January 19, 2022 at 2:12 pm
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          SimoninSpalding wrote:

          I was thinking about this comparison when I posted. I am very definitely not someone who argues against BLM, but as cyclists are seen in some quarters as arrogant selfish entitled lycra louts I wanted to bring other vulnerable road users along with us.

          — SimoninSpalding

          Vicar of Dibley:

          of course all lives matter, but until all lives matter the same, black lives matter

          therefore:

          “NOBODY deserves to die on the road through the actions of another.”

          But, until road users stop treating cyclists as though they were less entitled to be there or to live, 

          “cyclists don’t deserve to die riding their bikes”.

           

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  3. Steve K
    January 19, 2022 at 9:24 am
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    It’s very strong message, but

    It’s very strong message, but I think where it falls down is the response becomes “that’s why I don’t ride a bike, it’s too dangerous” and “I do worry about you riding on busy roads – I wish you’d just get the bus/train/drive”.  Ie – rather than let’s make it safer, it’s “you’re right, it’s dangerous – people shouldn’t do it”.

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    • Captain Badger
      January 19, 2022 at 10:41 am
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      Steve K wrote:

      Road.cc.  I find about 1 in 20 of my posts I can delete. WHy not permanent?

      Edit – sorry Steve, replied to you in error

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    • chrisonabike
      January 19, 2022 at 1:21 pm
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      Yes – it’s effective argument

      Yes – it’s effective argument that’s needed. Difficult to avoid the usual chicken-and-egg of “but I don’t feel it’s safe (or convenient) *now* because of all the other drivers so I’m not going to start” – from everyone.

      Being able to actually show it ain’t so via *decent* infrastructure can stop that one, but a) a network of good quality infra is not considered an option in most parts of UK and b) you can fall into another “but there are no cyclists so why should we build it?” circle.

      Strangely when you actually engage with individuals, listen to their concerns and show them some small changes (walk with their child to school, do an occasional shopping trip on the bike) and the benefits they can get they’re often very positive. But it’s not simple to scale that up. This is doing culture change and that’s hard (quoted this one before)!

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  4. mdavidford
    January 19, 2022 at 9:33 am
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    Quote:

    you rarely have to justify your existence as a Sunday league footballer

    I think I would. To the rest of the team.

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  5. chrisonabike
    January 19, 2022 at 10:29 am
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    The strongest pro-cycling-as

    The strongest pro-cycling-as-transport message is a good bike trip! I got to exactly where I wanted, with less stress, got some pleasant exercise, could enjoy being outside, noticed some things along the way I probably don’t in a car and might even have got there faster.

    The strongest anti-cycling-as-transport message is a bad bike trip in the UK. But you don’t even need to make one. People trying to change a journey from another mode to cycling may discover it’s effectively impossible for them (too far, missing infrastructure, unhelpful types of bike, no safe parking, poor navigation etc.)

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  6. Awavey
    January 19, 2022 at 11:05 am
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    It is a strong message, and I
    It is a strong message, and I agree simplest is best, but does it really cut through the rabid anti cycling rhetoric ?

    When I’m reading comments in local newspapers by people advocating all kinds of anti cycling nonsense, bourne in most cases simply out of jealousy that cycling is cheaper and far more practical than the amount of money it costs & frustration they get driving their metal square on wheels around, do those people care if I die on the road cycling ?

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  7. Tom_77
    January 19, 2022 at 11:17 am
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    “stop the child murder” is a

    “stop the child murder” is a pretty strong message.

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  8. IanMK
    January 19, 2022 at 11:30 am
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    I started cycling when I

    I started cycling when I turned 50 and had snapped my ACL. To be honest with you I was just another over-weight bloke on a bike. I started to take it seriously when, a couple of years later I was diagnosed with Type II Diabetes. I lost weight and my Diabetes is in remission. It’s literally protecting both me and the NHS.

    It has also improved my mental health. Despite the idiot drivers I rarely regret going out and as Cadel Evans said a really good ride is “Close to Flying”.

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    • capedcrusader
      January 19, 2022 at 12:11 pm
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      yup second that, restarted

      yup second that, restarted cycling after becoming pre-diabetic plus stage 1 kidney disease – WAKE UP CALL.

      Newcastle diet, not as fun as it sounds, plus dropping salt in diet and a shedful of cycling sorted out the medical issues. 

      ‘close to flying’ when cycing feels transcendental, and something I would very much like to achieve – without a tailwind. 

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  9. mdavidford
    January 19, 2022 at 11:39 am
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    Never mind the peeler choice

    Never mind the peeler choice – he’s chopping them in to fries as he goes? That first lot will be black and manky looking by the time he’s finished with the rest. Get them peeled and into some water and lemon juice, then chop them all when you’re done!

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  10. peted76
    January 19, 2022 at 12:48 pm
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    Ref Merckx’s strongest year. 

    Ref Merckx’s strongest year. 

    Lest we forget that the legend himself was kicked out of the Giro in 1969, tested positive in 1973 after winning Lombardia, 1975 at Fleche Wallonne… so celebrating a year of him winning everything under the sun seems a bit insensitive for todays clean cut image or perhaps a bit naive. 

    Of course it wasn’t ‘just Eddy’ doping.. but if you go down that conversational rabbit hole, it just leads to a squirrel.

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    • hawkinspeter
      January 19, 2022 at 1:02 pm
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      peted76 wrote:

      …but if you go down that conversational rabbit hole, it just leads to a squirrel.

      — peted76

      Sure it wasn’t a squabbit?

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      • peted76
        January 19, 2022 at 1:53 pm
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        hawkinspeter wrote:

        …but if you go down that conversational rabbit hole, it just leads to a squirrel.

        — hawkinspeter

        Sure it wasn’t a squabbit?

        — peted76

        It might have been, it was dark so I only managed a glimpse, it could have been a vole to be fair. 

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    • brooksby
      January 19, 2022 at 3:44 pm
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      Does the squirrel on your

      Does the squirrel on your picture think it’s being intimidating?

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      • peted76
        January 19, 2022 at 4:11 pm
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        brooksby wrote:

        Does the squirrel on your picture think it’s being intimidating?

        — brooksby

        He wouldn’t usually say boo to a butterfly, but that pic was taken at ‘Gandaf Corner’ and he just couldn’t help himself. 

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  11. Daveyraveygravey
    January 19, 2022 at 12:57 pm
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    No-one has said it yet, so I

    No-one has said it yet, so I will. Cycling is fun…

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  12. srchar
    January 19, 2022 at 1:09 pm
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    LADBible’s readership

    LADBible’s readership consists of terminally thick arseholes who find a video of a man falling down a hole to be the height of comedy.

    They are to be ignored.

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    • brooksby
      January 19, 2022 at 3:44 pm
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      srchar wrote:

      … terminally thick arseholes who find a video of a man falling down a hole to be the height of comedy.

      — srchar

      On the other hand, You’ve Been Framed has been running for how many years, now…? 

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      • SimoninSpalding
        January 20, 2022 at 7:32 am
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        And to be fair I really miss
        And to be fair I really miss Mr T’s World’s Craziest Fools. The episode consisting entirely of people walking into plate glass windows was an absolute classic!

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        • ktache
          January 20, 2022 at 7:26 pm
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          I pity the fool…

          I pity the fool…

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    • zeeridesbikes
      January 19, 2022 at 5:56 pm
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      Unfortunately these idiots

      Unfortunately these idiots are hard to ignore when they act on their views out on the road. 

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      • Rome73
        January 20, 2022 at 8:03 am
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        Or when they vote. U can

        Or when they vote. U can kinda guess what type of things they vote for. 

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    • Eton Rifle
      January 20, 2022 at 5:29 pm
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      Agreed. It’s a site for dim
      Agreed. It’s a site for dim manbabies.

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  13. IanMK
    January 19, 2022 at 2:19 pm
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    Okay, I don’t like to be too

    Okay, I don’t like to be too controversial on road.cc (I know we’re a touchy bunch) but if Wout is going to make sweet potato fries shouldn’t he leave the skin on?

    (Although I appreciate that endorsement isn’t going to pay as much.)

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  14. mdavidford
    January 19, 2022 at 3:55 pm
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    Quote:

    don’t like cheese

    Ridiculous!

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    • peted76
      January 19, 2022 at 4:15 pm
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      mdavidford wrote:

      don’t like cheese

      — mdavidford

      Ridiculous!

      I’m feta up with this, just brie yourself!

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      • Rendel Harris
        January 19, 2022 at 5:42 pm
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        Stop all this arguing, I just

        Stop all this arguing, I just camembert it.

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        • eburtthebike
          January 19, 2022 at 6:26 pm
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          Rendel Harris wrote:

          Stop all this arguing, I just camembert it.

          — Rendel Harris

          What cheese is made backwards?

           

           

           

          Edam.

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          • Rendel Harris
            January 19, 2022 at 6:32 pm
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            eburtthebike wrote:

            Stop all this arguing, I just camembert it.

            — eburtthebike

            What cheese is made backwards?

            Edam.

            — Rendel Harris

            Very Gouda!

          • hawkinspeter
            January 19, 2022 at 6:55 pm
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            Rendel Harris wrote:

            Stop all this arguing, I just camembert it.

            — Rendel Harris

            What cheese is made backwards?

            Edam.

            — eburtthebike

            Very Gouda!

            — Rendel Harris

            I was going to post a cheese joke, but we’re about to havarti

          • Rendel Harris
            January 19, 2022 at 7:11 pm
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            hawkinspeter wrote:

            I was going to post a cheese joke, but we’re about to havarti

            — hawkinspeter

            Oh well, I’ll just talk to myself then. Halloumi!

  15. Awavey
    January 19, 2022 at 5:03 pm
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    All I’ll say on the East
    All I’ll say on the East Suffolk cycling/walking plans, whilst they did certainly lack ambition, I didnt see much prompting for feedback, campaigning, discussion or alternate proposals from any local party whilst the consultation was open. The only proposal I’ve seen from the Greens since the consultation closed was a segregated lane around Darsham on the A12, which frankly is just ill-thought out.

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  16. AlsoSomniloquism
    January 19, 2022 at 5:22 pm
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    Re:All Points North: Whilst I

    Re:All Points North: Whilst I admire endurance cycling for distances travelled, I think they are starting to get into very dangerous areas now. I wouldn’t want to be on the road with someone who has had less then 1 hours of sleep in 2.5 days whether bike, car or whatever other transport they are using.

    Yes, on a bike they are probably only putting their own life in danger (although the person who might hit them through a manouvre they pull when sleep deprived might be mentally affected), but all that will happen is the next person will push it more and more. They need to start putting in safeguards to enforce a minimum rest time in a 24 hour period for the health of the competitors.

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    • Garage at Large
      January 19, 2022 at 5:53 pm
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      You are talking some sense
      You are talking some sense there. These endurance events should have a mandatory limit of 16 hours a day riding.

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  17. eburtthebike
    January 19, 2022 at 6:32 pm
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    Why do less than 1% of Dutch

    Why do less than 1% of Dutch cyclists wear a helmet?

    Brilliant, clear, concise and inarguable.  Maybe now the helmet zealots will stop?

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    • marmotte27
      January 19, 2022 at 10:37 pm
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      No they don’t when you read
      No they don’t when you read the comments underneath…

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      • eburtthebike
        January 20, 2022 at 8:48 am
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        marmotte27 wrote:

        No they don’t when you read the comments underneath…

        — marmotte27

        OMG!  You’re so right.

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    • Jackslad
      January 20, 2022 at 8:33 am
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      My takeaway was how these two

      My takeaway was how these two guys were so comfortable with sharing the road with cars/vans etc.  No having to scan 360 degrees in case some 4 wheeled f***wit decided to close pass them.  To be able to ride safely on the infra like that is a dream for the UK, alas.

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  18. Awavey
    January 19, 2022 at 7:20 pm
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    “cool” is a word to describe

    “cool” is a word to describe Canyon Srams new kit, not a word Id use, but a word. But then I kind of think any kit design you have to spend time explaining what it means, automatically is missing the mark.

    Then again does launching a kit with a video where the camera angle cuts every second interspersed with blinking flashing lights mean you really want to people to see it properly anyway.

    At least its not another fruit salad kit to add to the list, even if it looks like 90s tie dye combined with hi-viz

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    • mdavidford
      January 20, 2022 at 9:45 am
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      Awavey wrote:

      I kind of think any kit design you have to spend time explaining what it means, automatically is missing the mark.

      — Awavey

      i kind of think that as soon as you’re worrying about ‘what a kit means’, you’re already missing the mark.

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Pub bike 37 minutes ago

@Rendel Harris I get close-passed by more riders than cars in Richmond Park. Maybe I should ride faster.

in: “The problem is fear”: Cyclists sound warning over bikejackers on illegal bikes intimidating riders in Richmond Park
Rendel Harris 1 hour ago

@perce I'm normally a big fan of your excellent posts perce but I must take issue with this one. The idea that Lord Khan of Tooting would ever, in any circumstances, have been friends with Nigel is surely beyond the bounds of even your fertile imagination?

in: “The problem is fear”: Cyclists sound warning over bikejackers on illegal bikes intimidating riders in Richmond Park
Rendel Harris 1 hour ago

Not to downplay the seriousness of bikejacking, but Mr.Taylor might want to consider that fact that many riders have been put off using the park at weekends due to the aggressive, intimidatory behaviour of members of his own club, who are notorious for riding as if the park is a private training facility just for themselves, and that's a pretty sad state of affairs as well.

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Riggers 2 hours ago

In Wiggle/CR's absence, what are people using nowadays? I've been out of it for a while, but now returned.

in: RIP Wiggle and Chain Reaction Cycles: Doomed cycling retailers’ websites now redirect to Evans Cycles two years after relaunch attempt
quiff 3 hours ago

I did a multi-day ride many years ago with someone who was a better cyclist than me by every conceivable measure but this one. I remember watching them up ahead on a quiet road trying to teach themselves - snatching brief seconds with their hands off the bars before losing balance and grabbing on again. 'Watch this' I said to the rest of my group, before I accelerated to catch them, then nonchalantly sailed past them uphill riding no hands. Very satisfying. I've been able to ride most of mine hands-free, but had a Specialized Allez that really didn't cooperate. Haven't been brave enough to try it on a Brompton or cargo bike though. And still can't do a wheelie, or any of the other things on Jo's palmares.

in: I cannot wheelie. I cannot ride with no hands. I am s**t at bikes.
Slartibartfast 3 hours ago

@Hamster now that is an exciting development. I do remove/amend signs but reporting them for flyposting is much more satisfying.

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Hamster 4 hours ago

@Slartibartfast If the sign-maker can be caught in the act then the council Environmental Health can get a report for littering/fly-tipping. Hours of endless fun for that person trying to explain away a conviction. Don't report unless you're prepared to go to court though. Or remove the litter and put in the nearest bin with a sticker explaining how littering is a crime.

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kingleo 4 hours ago

What would make driving safer for motorists is if they stopped driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol and driving faster than the speed limit.

in: Thousands sign petition to “rebalance” active travel schemes away from cycle lanes and focus on safety of “those who must rely on cars” instead; Robot Wars, Bike Edition: Fuming cyclist flings delivery bot into hedge; Vuelta battle + more on the live blog
mudfish 4 hours ago

Some good ideas there. One point tho. Whilst I love those Wera Allen keys for steel bolt heads, they can be risky on alloy socket screws. Not ideal, IMO, for Rochshox fork axles as they eat into the alloy and lock into the socket. Play soon results. The hex+ system seems to be based on an inside out adaptation of the Snap On “Flank Drive” spanner or socket - and that’s a great idea, but sadly the design seems to overstress alloy socket head screws. Could it be that the profiled section on the end of the tool doesn’t have enough penetration on a fork axle? Maybe. All I can say is my axles last a lot longer using a regular Allen hex key. (Ideally on a torque wrench I guess). Ooh and ChrisA is right - a “Vernier Caliper” relies an a sliding scale more like a slide tile. Digital is way easier, but battery dependent.

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hawkinspeter 4 hours ago

@Rendel Harris - ginger ale can be alcoholic when it's traditionally brewed. Not nearly as strong as mead, though.

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