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17 January 2024, 09:02
"Peak UK nonsense": Disbelief from cyclists and walkers at "utterly bizarre" barriers and signage installed on popular route controversially closed by council

Before we get stuck into this one, some context...

This is the popular road that runs along the western shore of Thirlmere reservoir in the Lake District. It is a "key part" of the National Cycling Network and, in Cycling UK's campaign on the matter, is described as "one of the only safe road cycling routes" towards Keswick. If this route were to disappear then vulnerable road users would be forced to use a busy A-road "hemmed in by walls with fast flowing traffic and heavy goods vehicles" as the "only alternative".

Quiet road on western shore of Thirlmere. Image by Cathredfern (CC BY-NC 2.0)

> "If it was important for motorised traffic it would have been done": Cyclist slams council's plan to permanently close quiet route and send everyone along busy main road

Unfortunately the quiet and picturesque waterside route was closed, at first temporarily, for two years due to storm damage. However, in the autumn, Cumberland Council proposed a Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) to close the road to all traffic, including cyclists and pedestrians.

> "Beyond credulity" – Cycling UK slams council's assertion that busy Lake District road is safe alternative to closed National Cycle Network route

Despite calls from many, including Cycling UK and the more than 1,000 cyclists and walkers who ignored the closure to protest the proposed closure, it was approved in November, which leaves us here today. Introducing your new Thirlmere reservoir barriers and signage...

Thirlmere Reservoir signs and barriers (Philip Humphries/Facebook)

Yes, this is the route now closed to cyclists and pedestrians, but where horse riding is allowed, hence the barrier design.

Needless to say there has been a fair bit of reaction to this...

Richard Brown: "I don't understand why all traffic apart from horse riding. Surely the risk is even greater being on a horse than being in a vehicle if there is falling debris."

Simon Douglas: "Peak UK nonsense. There will be nothing that a weekend of work won't fix and they'll spend more adding barriers over the years to stop people walking along the road than they would on just fixing it."

Merton Cycling Campaign: "The insanity (for cyclists) is the alternative route — the A591 — is FAR more dangerous. As a cyclist you cannot leave decisions about risk to organisations who don't understand or care about cycling."

Paul: "An absolutely bizarre option."

Duncan O'Sullivan: "Just fix the damn road already."

Neil Evans: "What in the hellscape is this nonsense?"

During the campaign, road.cc reader Dave got in touch to say he had cautiously avoided the previous construction site-style barriers to ride through during a summer bikepacking trip and took the picture below...

Thirlmere road closure (image supplied)

In fairness, a quite considerable amount of damage, as noted in his report, however: "There was an obvious route through and evidence of plenty of use [...] It seemed clear to me, and the other cyclist I met, that: there has been a totally unnecessary delay on dealing with this route. If it had been important for motorised traffic it would have been done very quickly."

The official line was there is a risk of falling rocks, however as Cycling UK pointed out, that while public safety is most important and falling rocks are an "obvious hazard" there "are plenty of roads around the country where falling rocks remain a risk without resulting in the extreme solution of permanent closure", not least on... the A591 on the opposite shore...

A glimmer of hope?

The road is owned by United Utilities, Cycling UK calling upon the water company to make the necessary repairs and that it should be fined if it failed to do so, and that such works could be carried out under a Temporary Traffic Regulation Order (TRO).

It is the company's responsibility, as local historian Ian Hall pointed out during the campaign, the 1879 Manchester Corporation Waterworks Act entitled the corporation to dam the lake at Thirlmere, thus creating a reservoir to pump water to Manchester. But crucially, under the act the company would be required to build and maintain a road for public use, a route that "shall be maintained by and at the cost of the corporation forever" (not until some trees fall down and you can't be bothered).

A United Utilities statement released on January 12 said:

A section of the West Road at Thirlmere is currently closed beneath Rough Crag for safety reasons. We’re currently working on a project to make the Crag safe so that the road can be reopened again as soon as possible.

A glimmer of hope? I'm sure many will want to see action before believing words... 

Thirlmere western road. Image by Heliosphere (CC BY-NC-ND 2.0)

 

17 January 2024, 16:48
Your thoughts on Thirlmere reservoir's latest addition... some very strange barriers
Thirlmere Reservoir signs and barriers (Philip Humphries/Facebook)

You've been filling the comments section with thoughts on this... (what's the best way to describe it?)... bizarre (being kind)... face-palmingly baffling (being less so)... barrier. Let's get stuck in...

Benthic: "In a prominent display of ignorance, they have erected a 'no cycling' sign in addition to the 'no vehicles' sign."

mctrials23: "Luckily as a cyclist that barrier looks like a lovely little bunny hop." Too dangerous, I'm afraid... now get back on that fast, busy A-road...

Live blog comment 17/1/2024

I think Muddy Ford gets comment of the day however...

"Obviously someone key to the decision is an equestrian. They need to get off their high horse and allow the commoners access to what they were legally entitled to do."

Cue the puns...

hawkinspeter: "Has the route been closed furlong? Back in the day, it used to be that motor cars were only for the wealthy and horses were for the poor people, yet now it's only the wealthy that have horses and cars are for the poor. My, how the stables have turned."

Steve K: "Is it a mane road?"

And plenty more after that worth a chuckle. On a (marginally) more serious note...

Creakingcrank: "Somebody should talk to the horses, to find out why their lobbying for access was successful while the cyclists and pedestrians failed." 

Which would mean of course, as pointed out by the little onion, getting the answer straight from the horse's mouth... our work here is done...

17 January 2024, 16:34
Water company slammed after "absolutely vile" sewage spill on popular cycle path used by schoolchildren
17 January 2024, 15:04
"We don't doubt this letter will get criticism... We're human, we use our roads too and we want to sort this": Council pens open letter apologising for potholes
Glasgow pothole (@SpamRogic/Twitter)

Derbyshire County Council has published an open letter to residents on Derby Live, apologising for the deteriorating state of the county's roads and pledging to tackle the issue:

Dear residents

On seeing this, we can hear the immediate response: don't write about it, just fill them! We do agree but we also wanted to acknowledge the problem.

We're stating the obvious to say there's been a massive increase in potholes to what we would usually see. We’re sorry for this. Whilst we always prepare for winter, the last few months really have thrown exceptional things at us. Many communities sadly are still dealing with the destruction of October and Babet's floods (with a month of rain in a single day), November's freeze and snow, and December's double the usual rainfall. You're right though when you say this recent damage isn't the only problem: this has been decades in the making with ageing highways and reducing investment comparatively.

But we're not going to fluff or filibuster with reams of stats or politics on what we're facing. We're filling hundreds of potholes each day and have extra teams on. It doesn't matter though how many potholes we're filling if the one outside your house or on your journey is still there. You, rightly, don't care about the 90,000 we filled last year, just the ones that are there now. We're also not doing comparisons with other counties. What matters is Derbyshire.

So, we're further bumping up resources to deal with the current backlog and changing from how we usually do things to focus on wider fixes where we can. We've also started a resurfacing patch programme of an extra 250 sites where we have pothole hotspots.

We'll post further updates over the next few weeks on this but, crucially, we want you to see it on the roads in action. We know that's what will make the difference.

Just to touch on a few further points, we can't always resurface every road immediately. All the budget and resources still wouldn't make that possible given how far we cover.

Sometimes the weather or underlying road problems also means a repair won't last. So we have to do temporary repairs to try to make things safe. But we do try to do permanent repairs or resurfacing where we can. Likewise, we're reviewing the materials and methods we use so we can make sure we're using the most efficient and longest lasting solutions.

Many also ask why one road has received works over another which looks worse. We sometimes have to intervene at the point we do so it protects and prolongs the life of the road at a lower cost. This then means we can do more and focus on more places.

We’re also making the case nationally for more investment — this is starting to filter through, which is what means we can do the above, but we will keep working together with others on this.

As a final but no less important note, we're seeing an increase in abuse towards our staff who are out working on the network. We understand the frustration, and share it, but hope people don't take it out on those teams. In many cases they're working round the clock in often rubbish weather. Many are stepping into roles they don't usually do to help. They're doing the best they can so, genuinely, thank you to them.

We don’t doubt this letter will get criticism. It probably would've been easier not to do it when we read the comments back. But please take this for what it is: acknowledging the challenges and problems, and being open in what we're doing. We're human, we use our roads too and we want to sort this.

We'll be out too with the teams when we can. We know actions speak louder than words so please be assured that’s what we’re doing.

17 January 2024, 14:43
Tadej Pogačar, Jonas Vingeagaard and Primož Roglič top the charts for cycling's highest-paid riders
2024 Colnago V4Rs UAE Team Emirates Tadej Pogacar - 1

Tadej Pogačar is the highest-paid rider in the men's WorldTour, a new report published in La Gazzetta dello Sport has suggested. The Slovenian will earn €6 million this year, compatriot Primož Roglič's transfer to Bora-Hansgrohe reportedly seeing him jump to second in the earnings list on €4.5 million per year, while Jonas Vingegaard is third on €4 million.

Away from the Grand Tour big hitters, the Italian newspaper reports Mathieu van der Poel is also on €4 million a year, while Wout van Aert will be paid an estimated €3.5 million for his 2024 efforts.

2023 Paris Roubaix Mathieu van der Poel © Zac Williams-SWpix.com - 1 (5)

[Alex Broadway/SWpix.com]

The top ten is rounded out by Remco Evenepoel (€2.8 million), British duo Tom Pidcock and Adam Yates (€2.7 million), and Egan Bernal and Carlos Rodriguez (€2.5 million). This does not include the commercial deals enjoyed by the aforementioned riders, so in reality the figures will be higher. Not bad... especially if you live in Andorra or Monaco...

"No athlete in my career has had such a strong appeal to brands," Pogačar's agent Alex Carera said. "In cycling, Pogačar can be seen as the most universal, the most versatile, the one with the greatest communicative reach."

17 January 2024, 13:13
"He drove towards me at speed, then shouted 'b***h' in my face": Nine out of ten women face abuse while cycling, shocking new survey finds
17 January 2024, 12:28
"Not stopping after a collision seems to be almost normalised": Warning hit-and-run collision numbers at record high
Police tape (CC licensed by freefotouk on Flickr)

The number of hit-and-run collisions in London has hit a record high, with a London Assembly member who carried out research on the issue concluding that the offence has been "almost normalised".

Caroline Russell was speaking to Ross Lydall of the Evening Standard, her research looking into the fact that there were 7,708 hit-and-run incidents recorded in 2021, the most on record for a year where data is available.

That is up 14 per cent on the 7,079 recorded in 2020, with 761 people seriously injured and 12 killed in hit-and-runs in 2021. This compared with 682 serious injuries and 14 fatalities in 2020. And while the shorter-term year-to-year statistics may also be impacted by Covid lockdowns, Russell explained that in the long-term the number of casualties in hit-and-runs in London had doubled since 2009.

The number of cyclists injured in London by hit-and-run drivers in 2021 was 1,859, with 1,327 pedestrians injured in incidents too.

"This apparent increase in irresponsible and dangerous driving on our roads is worrying," she said. "In 2021 there were nearly two-and-a-half times as many hit-and-run casualties on London's roads as there were in 2009. Not stopping after a collision seems to be almost normalised and the people that do it appear not to care about their victims or to fear any legal consequences."

The campaigner and Green Party London Assembly member has called on the city's mayor Sadiq Khan to establish an action plan to reduce such offences as part of the wider Vision Zero project.

17 January 2024, 11:38
Important news in The Telegraph: How to cycle to work — without becoming a cyclist

Interestingly this was promptly changed to... 'How to start cycling to work – without completely hating it'.

17 January 2024, 10:29
Scathing select committee report finds "not enough" communication of Highway Code changes and Department for Transport "not on track" to meet active travel goals

If you missed our story on the Public Accounts Committee's report on the Department for Transport's work on active travel here's your bullet point summary:

  • Not on track to meet its active travel targets by 2025
  • Not ensured active travel schemes are sufficiently joined-up with wider transport infrastructure
  • Failed to communicate effectively with the public to help tackle perceptions that active travel is unsafe or to encourage more people to take part
  • Is holding back local authorities from delivering on projects due to "considerable uncertainty" in funding

Yep, not the most positive appraisal...

Big Ben © Simon MacMichael

>  Scathing select committee report finds "not enough" communication of Highway Code changes and Department for Transport "not on track" to meet active travel goals

17 January 2024, 10:05
Pro cycling's next noughties-born superstar?

UAE Team Emirates might just have another special young talent on their hands. Clearly Tadej Pogačar and Juan Ayuso are getting on a bit, so step up Isaac Del Toro from Mexico. Date of birth? Are you ready for this? Brace yourselves? 27 November... 2003!?

The 20-year-old won Tour de l'Avenir, including the Col de la Loze stage, the race that is essentially the 'baby Tour de France' and that has been won by riders such as teammate Pogačar, Egan Bernal, Miguel Ángel López, David Gaudu, Cian Uijtdebroeks and other notable names in recent times. In short, win that and you're more than on the right track...

Well, now he's arrived in the big leagues, winning the second stage of the Tour Down Under with a monstrous attack with a kilometre to go to hold off the rest of the bunch and take his first professional win (on only his third day in the peloton). Isaac Del Toro. Remember the name.

17 January 2024, 10:01
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Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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Rendel Harris replied to Steve K | 3 months ago
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Enough with the horse puns, you're all being very filly.

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HarrogateSpa replied to Rendel Harris | 3 months ago
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I'm counting the puns, and putting this stallion a piece of paper.

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Surreyrider replied to Rendel Harris | 3 months ago
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This whole issue is a total (night) mare.

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leaway2 replied to Muddy Ford | 3 months ago
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Enough puns now, you all need to rein it in.

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David9694 replied to leaway2 | 3 months ago
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David9694 "blimey, they're literally using the comments on the exact same article in the body of the article"

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wtjs | 3 months ago
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'Peak UK Nonsense' is an understatement of this malevolent anti-cyclist (and anti-pedestrian) foolishness. I was about to complain about the effect on the Keswick to Barrow charity walk, but I now see they have completely changed the route since I last did it.

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Creakingcrank | 3 months ago
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Somebody should talk to the horses, to find out why their lobbying for access was succesful while the cyclists and pedestrians failed.

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the little onion replied to Creakingcrank | 3 months ago
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Get the answer, straight from the horse's mouth?

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jaymack replied to the little onion | 3 months ago
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I'm sure they'll make the answer up in the hoof

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Creakingcrank replied to jaymack | 3 months ago
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That's unfair. Lots of horses are outstanding in their field.

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Rendel Harris replied to Creakingcrank | 3 months ago
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Creakingcrank wrote:

That's unfair. Lots of horses are outstanding in their field.

True, and many have a very impressive track record.

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Morgoth985 replied to Rendel Harris | 3 months ago
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Have we heard from the Mare of Greater Manchester about this?

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Surreyrider replied to Rendel Harris | 3 months ago
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And they've had to overcome a lot of hurdles.

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ROOTminus1 replied to Creakingcrank | 3 months ago
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With the exception of bizarre bylaws like this, access for horses and riders means it's a bridleway, which allows cyclists and obviously pedestrians.
What happens here if the horse [-]gets a puncture[/-] throws a shoe, and the rider has to get off and walk with their animal, is that allowed?

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brooksby replied to ROOTminus1 | 3 months ago
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They'd have to pick the horse up and carry it, obviously  3

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the little onion replied to brooksby | 3 months ago
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If the horse dies, they would have to flog it.

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 3 months ago
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brooksby wrote:

They'd have to pick the horse up and carry it, obviously  3

I think it depends on whether it's in a stable condition or not

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Drinfinity replied to Creakingcrank | 3 months ago
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The council found that they didn't have the powers to exclude horse riders when making the TRO, and so came up with this option. There is still ongoing discussion on the eventual full reopening. I would not make too much noise about the current situation - I view it as a very creative fudge to open the road without opening the road. 

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Creakingcrank replied to Drinfinity | 3 months ago
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Informative, thank you.

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ROOTminus1 replied to Drinfinity | 3 months ago
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Intentional grey areas to allow access without officially granting access. All well and good, but councils have a habit of springing enforcement on such vague-ities and wonder why people get pissed off.
Usually because there's nothing so permanent as a temporary solution, then management changes hands and someone becomes a dick about things

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Secret_squirrel replied to Drinfinity | 3 months ago
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Drinfinity wrote:

The council found that they didn't have the powers to exclude horse riders when making the TRO, and so came up with this option. There is still ongoing discussion on the eventual full reopening. I would not make too much noise about the current situation - I view it as a very creative fudge to open the road without opening the road. 

That would be interesting to know more... TRO's can usually be made applicable to Hosses so there must be something peculiar about the deal between UU and the Council.

Secondly - it may be a fudge but its a damn inconvenient one and those barriers arent accessible friendly...

 

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kil0ran replied to Drinfinity | 3 months ago
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Important not to be a neigh-sayer on these sorts of things

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Rendel Harris replied to Creakingcrank | 3 months ago
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Creakingcrank wrote:

Somebody should talk to the horses

Perhaps a Gallop poll?

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60kg lean keen ... replied to Creakingcrank | 3 months ago
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In the past, the people who had money used horses, the poor used their feet and walked, the lobbying has been done for a very long time. Nothing changes!

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belugabob replied to Creakingcrank | 3 months ago
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The solution would appear for cyclist to use the road in pairs. When stopped, both riders should point to the other and say, in unison, "horses only? I'll have you know that this is a palomine..."

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chrisonabike replied to belugabob | 3 months ago
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Go on a tandem in costume - it didn't say "only horses *except* pantomime horses".

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wycombewheeler | 3 months ago
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I'm all for it, if the road might dangerous, use the horsists as canaries to find out if it is safe or not.

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