“No one cares if you’ve won three, four, five Vueltas”: Geraint Thomas weighs in on Jumbo-Visma leadership debate; “Always been there”: CyclingMikey rubbishes claim that camera cyclists cause more hatred + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
Bizarre Vuelta scenes as Jumbo-Visma staffer grappled to the ground by Spanish police
The drama just keeps coming for Jumbo-Visma at this Vuelta a España. As good teammates (how quickly things change) Jonas Vingegaard and Primož Roglič took Sepp Kuss’ thanks for their new-found loyalty, the aftermath of yesterday’s stage saw a bizarre scene unfold, captured on video by Marcelo La Gattina…
Situación en el final de etapa. La policía intentando poner orden, empujó a un auxiliar del Jumbo mientras asistía a los corredores. La situación se puso tensa y terminaron en el suelo. El asistente no fue detenido, pero se vivió un momento desagradable. #LaVuelta23 pic.twitter.com/WRKvhsKRcX
— Marcelo La Gattina (@MLaGattina) September 14, 2023
A member of Jumbo-Visma staff ending up on the floor, kicking out at three Policía Nacional officers. La Gattina reported: “The police, trying to establish order, pushed a Jumbo assistant while he was assisting the riders. The situation became tense and they ended up on the ground. The assistant was not arrested, but there was an unpleasant moment.”
Another angle here:
Incidente en la línea de meta de La Vuelta.
📌 Un auxiliar de Jumbo se enzarzó con la Policía y tuvo que ser reducido en el suelo.
📌 Vingegaard ha ido después a preguntarle cómo estaba.
📌 Los agentes insistían en que las normas hay que cumplirlas.
🎥 @danielarribas96 pic.twitter.com/LzQoXVPdEA
— Relevo (@relevo) September 14, 2023
So not an investigation into crimes against Sepp…
Anyway, the scene was similar to what was seen at the finish of stage 11, on our live blog from that day, a Cofidis soigneur perhaps overzealously willing stage winner Jesús Herrada to the line… and getting tackled by police for his troubles.
La Guardia taking down the soigneur is a new one for me. Probably Remco’s fault. pic.twitter.com/PQWVd7Y3WA
— How The Race Was Won® (@Cyclocosm) September 6, 2023
Cycling once again being a completely serious and normal sport.
Today should hopefully be, for someone working for a cycling website at the end of a long week, relatively straightforward and uneventful, the peloton getting a rare flat stage for the sprinters (or perhaps even one of those breakaway days that annoy the fast men when everyone’s tired at the end of a tough three weeks?)
Thomas De Gendt takes notes
That’s a way to beat Jumbo Visma.
— Thomas De Gendt (@DeGendtThomas) September 14, 2023
"It's an honour to have two such champions working for you": More reaction to Jumbo-Visma's civil war ceasefire
When I say ‘ceasefire’ I mean with each other, not the authorities, anyway, we got some quick reaction from the big three immediately after yesterday’s stage, but here’s what they had to say a bit later…
Sepp Kuss: “It’s an honour to have two such champions working for you. They have both won some big races in the recent past. So this is a great honour. I’m glad that I was strong enough to stay at the front. I always try to stay focused, have confidence in myself and ride to the finish as fast as possible. I’m grateful for the work that Jonas and Primož did for me today. It means a lot to me. Although it might be difficult to see from the outside, we have a clear plan.”
Jonas Vingegaard: “That plan was to defend Sepp’s leading position. As a team, we have done that with flying colours. We are in an excellent position, but we are not there yet. Saturday’s stage is treacherous. It’s fantastic to be able to do something for Sepp in this way. I will always remember what he has done for me. So, I wanted to give something back. Hopefully, we can bring his red jersey to the finish line.”
Primož Roglič: “I’m happy with the way things are going. Today’s stage was mainly about defending our positions in the general classification. Sepp is still wearing the red jersey, which puts us in a good position. In the next few days, we still have some tests that will require us to stay focused. Winning the Vuelta would be amazing.”
Dare I say a slightly more polished line from Roglič than what was heard when he was asked by the TV cameras if it has been difficult to not go for the win… “Definitely,” he replied. “I have my own thoughts about it but for sure I will try to make sure it [the GC] stays the way it is.”
[Images: Rafa Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency©2023]
"I don't think I've ever seen this before?": 'Cyclists dismount' gets an upgrade
I don’t think I’ve ever seen this before? 👀 Spotted in Bath. pic.twitter.com/oAKHLtwpx5
— Ben Bowskill (he/him) (@BenBowskill) September 14, 2023
Ironically, spotted in Bath, where on Wednesday we reported a councillor had taken issue with the council’s ‘safety’ decision to install ‘cyclists dismount’ signs on a National Cycle Route while works are undertaken. Saskia Heijltjes pointed out the road is a “major route for cycling east to west in a low-traffic environment” and “not every person on a cycle can dismount”.
> Questions asked of ‘cyclists dismount’ signs on national cycle route during works
Earlier this month, a campaign group for disabled cyclists called upon North East Lincolnshire Council to implement clearer signage for a town centre cycling ban. Wheels for Wellbeing said the “just get off an walk” attitude, that one councillor told local cyclists, “only works for people who can” walk their bikes.
“If you can’t walk without pain or risk to your health, it’s not as simple as ‘just get off your bike and walk’,” they said, highlighting signage seen in Wandsworth in London that instead states: ‘Cyclists dismount unless a mobility aid’.
What was that? You wanted to read a feature about all the different types of cycling-related signs? Your wish is our command…
The drama continued long into the night at La Vuelta
A organização da Vuelta passando trabalho#Lavuelta23 #ciclismonaespn pic.twitter.com/ejD3JMiA0s
— O País do Ciclismo (@opaisdociclismo) September 15, 2023
"The hatred has always been there": CyclingMikey rubbishes claim that camera cyclists cause more hatred towards bicycle riders
It’s been another week where Jeremy Vine’s cycling videos have attracted millions of views and prompted thousands upon thousands of comments and replies in the never-ending social media discussion about camera cyclists.
> Jeremy Vine’s lucky escape as bike run over by reversing driver who turned onto cycle lane
Perhaps the most famous sharer of cycling camera footage CyclingMikey has spoken about perhaps the most often heard accusation about those who record dangerous driving and road offences on their rides — ‘it just increases hatred of cyclists’…
Last night Mikey, real name Mike van Erp, who has reported thousands of drivers using his GoPro footage, replied to the accusation, saying the “hatred has always been there” towards cyclists.
> Here’s what to do if you capture a near miss, close pass or collision on camera while cycling
“All the people thinking that camera cyclists cause hatred. No, friend. You haven’t cycled in the days before cameras. The hatred has always been there. Now at least cameras tame drivers to some degree. They don’t fix everything, but they certainly don’t make it worse. Unless you’re the convicted driver. Then it’s worse for you only.”
What do you think?
Councillors slam "ludicrous" and "cockamamie" idea of cycling path next to elderly people's club and children's park
New bikes from... Specialized, Giant, Liv, Wilier, Bianchi, Trek and Ridley
It’s International New Bike Release Week’ apparently. As much so I can keep up as informing you lot, here’s everything that’s been launched in the past seven days… *deep breath*…
> Giant launches “lighter, smoother and more efficient” Defy endurance road bike: first ride
> Bianchi combines light weight and aero credentials with updated Specialissima road bike
> Wilier introduces cheaper versions of Filante aero road bike
> All new Roubaix SL8 is the “smoothest” and fastest endurance road bike ever, claims Specialized
> Trek lightens entry-level Domane AL road bikes
> Ridley combines light weight and aerodynamics on new Falcn RS road bike
And breathe… for a ‘fun’ Friday night drinking game, take a sip every time a bike brand says its new release is lighter, faster or stiffer. road.cc cannot take responsibility for any hangover that results from playing this game…
Conservative MP claims cycling routes has turned city into a "ghost town"
> Conservative MP claims cycling routes has turned city into a “ghost town”
Almost a third of Glaswegians estimated to have watched UCI Cycling World Championships
Glasgow SNP councillor Chris Cunningham has called the World Championships a “huge success”, and estimated that 190,000 Glaswegians watched the event in their home city, Glasgow Live reports.
“If you look the numbers for the elite men’s race on the Sunday, it was estimated that 190,000 Glaswegians came out on the streets and watched that event,” he said. “It confirms the extent to which the event was a huge success for the city.”
A pre-event survey had suggested that just 18 per cent of residents intended to go watch the road race events, the same survey showing that 43 percent knew Glasgow was hosting the event, and 74 per cent saying they believed it would have a positive effect on the city.
Alberto Dainese wins Vuelta a España sprint
What. A. Finish. 🔥
After a collision in the final 2km, it’s Alberto Dainese who wins Stage 19 of #LaVuelta23 pic.twitter.com/wQ2GHl1BMD
— Eurosport (@eurosport) September 15, 2023
So close for that Filippo Ganna sprint win, just pippo-ed (see what I did there?) on the line by compatriot Alberto Dainese who in turn secured a very underrated achievement of a third consecutive Grand Tour where he’s won a stage. That despite most of his dsm-firmenich teammates ending up in the crash that ended Kaden Groves’ chances.
Tomorrow we go climbing one final time before Sunday’s sprint procession in Madrid.
"Spain's for holidays, not riding a bike": Geraint Thomas weighs in on Roglič leadership debate, says "no one cares if you've won three, four, five Vueltas"
[Luis Angel Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency©2023]
Geraint Thomas and Luke Rowe discussed Jumbo-Visma’s leadership struggle on the latest edition of their Watts Occurring’ podcast, Thomas taking aim at Primož Roglič’s apparent ambition to ride his own race, leaving Sepp Kuss behind on the Angliru stage earlier this week.
Jumbo-Visma have since settled on a whole team strategy of course, Kuss getting the help of Jonas Vingegaard and Roglič after something of a PR meltdown on Wednesday evening. Summing up the situation, Thomas joked: “Spain’s for holidays, not riding a bike” and said Vingegaard has more to gain from winning a maiden Vuelta than his Slovenian teammate adding a fourth red jersey to his collection.
Thomas yesterday said he thought Kuss “deserves more respect” from the teammates he has helped on so many occasions and, during the podcast, added that Roglič “got nothing” out of pushing on and leaving Kuss.
“[On the Angliru] he continues to ride, maybe he was hoping to drop Jonas as well. He would have won the stage if he had backed off 10 watts and let Sepp stay in the wheel,” Thomas said. “I’d say Jonas has more to achieve, as in, by winning the Vuelta he’d get more from it than Primož winning a fourth. Let’s be honest, no one really cares if you’ve won three, four, five Vueltas. Spain’s for holidays, not riding a bike…”
There was one major talking point on last night’s pod: #JumboGate
Listen now to get the full thoughts of @GeraintThomas86 and @LukeRowe1990 on the wild last few days at #LaVuelta23 pic.twitter.com/FSz1S7P796
— Watts Occurring (@Watts_Occurring) September 15, 2023
What about riding your bike while on holiday in Spain, G? That’s a question we need answered…
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Would he have performed better on his normal bike?
the National Bus and Rail Union told the Oireachtas (Irish Parliament) the following month, saying the requirements (making the cyclist scum wear helmets and HiViz) would, “make the roads a safer place, as it would make potential hazards easier to spot.” Nothing to do with driver behaviour then? Stagecoach is even putting intimidating threats against cyclists on the side of the buses now! ttps://upride.cc/incident/px60beo_stagecoach41-closepass/
.......the government was focused on the “enormity of the e-scooter problem” Just wait until they find out how absolutely effing gigantic the car problem is. The whole thing is just motornormativity at government level, and while Ciarán Cannon talks sense, Seán Canney is fecking eejit.
40% of fatal road incidents (70 deaths p.a.) in Ireland involve excess alcohol. Pass a law mandating compulsory alcohol interlocks for all motor vehicles and see what that does for road safety first.
@mitsky I didn't say it was applicable in this case or that I thought it should be, I was simply answering your question as to whether anyone had ever shot someone and been charged with anything other than murder or attempted murder, to which the answer is yes.
@perce The new troll, my friend, is solely piss and wind, the new troll is solely piss and wind.
Very correct price for a basic, no-frills frameset. Older and wiser -after a warranty case on a '100 year' Ti frameset that lasted 5 years before a drive side chain stay weld said sayonara- I'll never again purchase a really high cost Ti frame. If the replacement -3999 Euro at retail but I paid 800, which is what it took for them to +- honour the warranty- fails, I'm done. Firstly because they do fail. Titanium is very finicky where welding conditions are concerned and good luck with that warranty, better read the wording very carefully. Secondly, often the price is justified with 'it's a frame for life'. Errrr....yes, unless you decide you want something different after 5 years, it breaks or technology evolves to a point where your frameset becomes aa anachronism and after 10 years you can start hunting for spares(UDH and disc brakes, anyone?). Third: I'm getting a bit tired reading about these so-called 'magical' properties of Ti. The only magical thing about it is the corrosion resistance. All that absorbing of vibrations etc is mainly function of frame design/geometry. If you want vibration damping: larger tires, lower pressure, done.
True,but I can't count thé number of times I've seen him on TV as an invited expert for comments since
"...there was enough suspicion to warrant an out-of-hours knock on the door for the Tour’s then-top two." A generic statement that sounds like a cover-your-arse mumbling. Can they be more specific? Nope. Good to see Vaughters join Lefevere to add up some controversy to the very politically correct pro peloton. In the late 1990s and early noughties, when cycling was becoming a global phenomenom, officials, race organisers and team managers turned a blind eye on doping. Nobody wanted to slay the goose with golden eggs.
Am I missing something. Pogacar would be firm favourite no matter what you did unless you made it a very flat edition which no one would want. Outside of Pogacar its all up for grabs. You can't build a good multi-week race with Pogacar in the form he is in. Take Pogacar out and this would be fine.
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YES! Another tick on the road
YES! Another tick on the road.cc bingo card for this week, we have content from Cycling Tripey.
Bet he loves the road.cc fan club
Serious question, what is the
Serious question, what is the point of this? Do you feel good at the end of a day of being a twat on Road.cc? Is there a bunch of other forums you also go to and be a twat or is it just this one? Does the attention you get feel good even though it is almost entirely negative attention directed at hateful, pointless posts?
Would it not feel better to find a community where you can be a positive influence on the conversation? I know it is a lot harder to get people to engage with positivity but spouting negative, hateful shite constantly has got to make a normal person feel bad about themselves over time.
He just comes for the obscure
He just comes for the obscure band references now. It’s really not worth reading anything else in to the comments.
I didn’t think anyone took
I didn’t think anyone took him seriously to be honest.
perce wrote:
One person here has a grain of common sense.
It’s called bantz
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
ahhh – “bantz”! everything you post is purely for entertainment purposes!
I freely admit I struggle with the nuances of “internet speak”, so I have been finding your posts difficult to decode. This clears things up for me.
Go away you ridiculous little
Go away you ridiculous little troll before I call a policeman. And your mum.
perce wrote:
Ooh no need to lose it over that, it was a compliment after all!
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
You are Rod Liddle/Matthew Parris* and I claim my £5!
*They’re interchangeable for the purposes of my own banter.
For me bantz/banter is a
For me bantz/banter is a nasty little expression, often used by nasty little men as a cover for misogyny, racism or homophobia. (Order does not reflect seriousness/frequency) And it does seem to be men, sometimes policemen, where it has replaced the rather disingenuous “canteen culture”
I agree
I agree
Patrick9-32 wrote:
Hello – a rare treat to speak to you!
The point of what may I ask? Becuase it sounds like you’re being a bit of a twat to me?
This is a perfect example of the complete lack of social awareness of the road.cc commenters. I mention once about playing road.cc bingo, yet there are many, many references here of people talking about playing “anti-cycling” bingo on other sites – just because this is a “cycling” site doesn’t make it worse.
It’s not hateful, and certainly not pointless.
Now, back to your box my boy.
“Back in your Box My Boy” was
“Back in your Box My Boy” was on Now 57 I think. It was never an album in it’s own right.
Can’t remember the artist. May have been People in Glass Houses, Pigeon on Chessboard or someone like that
I think it may have been Bit
I think it may have been Bit of a Twat. He never made it on the club circuit because his mum wanted him back by seven so he was stuck to playing Saturday afternoons at the Top Rank. I think I’ve heard people say he was a top ranker.
Ah yes. I agree.
Ah yes. I agree.
Speaking as a recovering
Speaking as a recovering troll-feeder myself: don’t feed the troll.
Cart-before-the-horse
Cart-before-the-horse argument. If there wasn’t already a crap-load of unjustified, disproportionate hate and aggression aimed towards cyclists, none of us would feel the need to spend hundreds of pounds on cameras in the first place.
Indeed, if the hate and
Indeed, if the hate and aggression wasn’t already there, we would have had a peaceful time in this cycling specific forum prior to the video recorders becoming a common occurrence.
Alas, the proportion of users who seek to not engage, but only to spew their bile has remained distinctly constant through the years.
^^this. I’d much rather spend
^^this. I’d much rather spend my hard earned cash on new shiny bits for my bike.
tigersnapper wrote:
If I had the choice between making my bike lighter with a Hunt carbon wheelset, or making it much heavier by covering it, and me, in cameras for the same price, I’d much rather go for the wheelset. Unfortunately, UK driving standards necessitate that I go for the cameras.
Me too in the end. Adds
Me too in the end. Adds another few minutes to getting ready for a ride and sorting out chargers afterwards. Fortunately haven’t had any incidents that I’ve needed them for yet, but I also haven’t ridden much since getting them. There has been a marked increase in the amount of traffic on the country roads I generally ride on and a small minority seem to think they are driving the British Rally Championships.
I quite enjoy watching the
I quite enjoy watching the dashcam compilations on youtube. There will be a 10 minute video with drivers nearly causing massive pile ups on the motorway. Crashing into each other and generally driving appallingly. There will be a single incident of a cyclist doing something silly, often a teenager and I can guarantee that 20-30% of the comments will be direct abuse of the cyclist or general absude of cyclists. Something which is 2% of the clips in the video will have by far and away the most comments.
Until they sort out driver sentiment towards cycling it will never be safe. Cyclists don’t want to have to record their rides. They don’t want to have to charge the battery, buy the camera, download and submit the footage. They do it because they are sick of shit driving. They are sick of people putting their lives in danger in order to save a few seconds. They are sick of people putting their lives in danger simply because they don’t like cyclists.
I can have some vague understanding for close passes in built up areas where there is not room but I regularly get people overtaking me within a meter on completely empty roads.
mctrials23 wrote:
All those dashcams would suggests drivers are sick of shit driving too!
But I’ve never felt the need
But I’ve never felt the need to fit a car dashcam, yet I won’t ride a bike, on the same kinds of roads, without one.
Drivers are sick of other
Drivers are sick of other people’s shit driving, never their own, which is of course impeccable.
Kind of…but I find a good
Kind of…but I find a good proportion of the videos are of drivers recording their own shit driving.
mctrials23 wrote:
I think you’re being conservative. I had to stop watching them because of the comments. In a 12–15-minute video, crammed end-to-end with short clips of drivers doing insanely dangerous shit, usually resulting in collisions and injuries, if there was a single clip of a cyclist doing something dumb, ~75% of the comments were just shitting on cyclists – not that cyclist, but cyclists in general. Many calling/hoping/wishing for death and injury on cyclists too.
There is such a worrying difference in the way that the public view a driver doing something dangerous, and a cyclist doing something (much less) dangerous.
Pretty sure it’s not
Pretty sure it’s not compulsory to read the comments!
There’s probably a small
There’s probably a small component of the feedback loop going the other way (it allows media to run stories about “vigilantes“).
However … without an existing ready market for that content it wouldn’t be worthwhile.
IMHO I think negative things around “image” are mostly down to:
– Rarity – hence salience. For example we’ve learned to mentally filter out lots of similar “concerns” around motor vehicles – that’s normal.
– People cycling are naturally an out group because most people drive / are driven, then do a bit of walking either end. This is enhanced by some cyclists wearing “odd clothes / big hats / funny shoes”.
– “cheating” – cyclists are in my space (roads are for cars / pavements are for pedestrians) but they’re obviously not playing by the same rules e.g. filtering past cars, going faster than walkers.
– Inconvenience / hazard. On roads they’re “in the way” – they may make cars slow down or they have to manoeuvre to overtake. Many pedestrians are not used to them (see rarity) so this raises their stress / alertness levels. They “nearly kill” pedestrians by appearing close to them without much sound and going much faster. I think most people are surprised how quickly ordinary cyclists can move.
And – it is true – there are a few specific groups of cyclists who stand out e.g. criminal (“yoof”, the grey area of delivery cyclists etc.) and “men with strong opinions who are not particularly concerned to be liked”. There are many in those groups who also drive of course… However they may be over-represented as cyclists due to conditions for cycling in the UK.
While I appreciate the
While I appreciate the ‘Except disabled’ sign … how exactly am I to prove that I am disabled and exactly how disabled do I need to be?
What is the criteria here?
PiP?
Blue Badge?
Amputee?
I’m none of the above … but still disabled.
Needs a ‘not all disabilities
Needs a ‘not all disabilities are visible ‘ sign below it…
ChasP wrote:
it is there but not all “not all disabilities are visible” signs are visible.
Oldfatgit wrote:
They shouldn’t be requiring any proof and even if they did, wouldn’t they need some kind of medical training to evaluate it. Maybe you should carry around an exemption card that simply says “None of your f***ing business”.
hawkinspeter wrote:
They shouldn’t be requiring any proof and even if they did, wouldn’t they need some kind of medical training to evaluate it. Maybe you should carry around an exemption card that simply says “None of your f***ing business”.— Oldfatgit
I’m not sure that They are even allowed to ask you what your disability is, if you say you have one.
“Not all disabilities are visible” is a reminder to the curtain-twitching, pearl- clutching, neighbourhood-watch types who maintain proper seat discipline on public transport.
brooksby wrote:
Exactly.
The only time that a disability needs to be known by someone else is if they’re trying to ensure that your needs are being met (and they should ask first to check if their help is even wanted).
Back when I was travelling to the office, there was a blind man who caught the same train. He was one of these people that was intensely proud and self sufficient, so he’d get really angry if anyone tried to assist him without asking first. It’s understandable if you’re just about to get off a train and some stranger grabs your elbow to “help” you.
In a similar vein, is there a
In a similar vein, is there a definition of a “Mobility Aid”? Aren’t all bikes, almost by definition, mobility aids – in that they help their rider travel further and faster than they could on foot?
There is a legal definition
There is a legal definition for mobility aid, and unfortunately bikes are not included … tried looking and I can’t find it now.
Show ’em your scars !
Show ’em your scars !
I don’t think they’d have
I don’t think they’d have that long …
?
???
I’ve had to do it a few times on the train though.
Even had a lower leg amputee tell me it looked “fucking horrific”
It is, of course, quite right
It is, of course, quite right that some disabled people use cycles as mobility aids and equally right, therefore, that equalities legislation means it can be unlawful not to make exceptions to “no cycling” rules for them. That all should be absolutely without question.
However, generally, if it’s safe and ok for a disabled cyclist to use a route, in the vast majority of cases, why isn’t it also safe and ok for any cyclist to use that route. (Likely volume of cycle traffic may be one reason, I guess.)
Slightly different take on
Slightly different take on the argument about the hatred always being there. I agree that cameras haven’t increased hatred. But surely hatred is only a few decades old? In grand terms, it was only in the 1970s or so that the number of cars in the UK outnumbered the number of regular cyclists. Rather, motornormativity is a creation of the last few decades, the gerroff-my-road arguments, the assumption that car traffic is ‘normal’ and everything else is not, the car adverts of unrealistic empty streets, and so on.
So the question is not whether cameras increased hatred, but rather how this hatred first emerged, and how it can be reduced.
Apparently the UK government
Apparently the UK government will ban the American Bully XL because of a danger to the public. Unfortunately, it’s a dog breed, not a car model……….
the little onion wrote:
They’re always happy to ban dog breeds as it shows how much they care about people being attacked by them (despite the crumbling hospitals being far more of a danger to more people). More importantly, dog breeders aren’t rich, powerful lobbyists.
People should wear bite suits
People should wear bite suits.
It’s the only way to protect yourself.
(They are some 210000 dog attacks a year with 4000 postie’s suffering. In 21/22 8790 hospital admissions in England as a result of a bite or strike).
Hirsute wrote:
That’s a lot more than I would have guessed.
Personally, I have more trouble with cats being randomly vicious than dogs, though it might be because I’m more of a “dog person” and understand their body language better.
hawkinspeter wrote:
That’s a lot more than I would have guessed.
Personally, I have more trouble with cats being randomly vicious than dogs, though it might be because I’m more of a “dog person” and understand their body language better.— Hirsute
Yes, but if it saves one person, it’s clearly worth it. It should be the law that everyone must don a bite-suit to leave their house. Common sense. You wouldn’t want to bitten without one, surely?
Cat communication seems to be
Cat communication seems to be commonly misunderstood; this may be partly their fault as they seem to be lacking a way to express “cease fire!” It’s not quite the same thing but I did find this handy guide if that helps:
These zones change in nature
These zones change in nature without warning. Just remember you are likely to be wrong, the cat is right and if a cat let’s you caress it anywhere on it’s body you are privileged.
That spot forward of the tail
That spot forward of the tail is a real thing. One of our cats goes mad for it. Gets quite arsy if you stop doing it.
Get lost cats are perfect.
Get lost cats are perfect. The main thing wrong with dogs is that they’re dogs and not cats and they eat other animals excrement.
Yes I am doggist. Having said that there is a dog I know and he’s alright…
the little onion wrote:
Lovely trucks those – and incredibly useful too.
the little onion wrote:
Ah the pointlessly-massive, usally-pristine, spends-it’s-whole-life-in-an-urban-environment, never-has-anything-in-the-bed mobile. Love those. Some of my favourites.
BalladOfStruth wrote:
Don’t forget with the double cab version like that there’s also the “massive tax break as I can get a 4×4 but claim it’s a work vehicle” element.
Perfect for transporting
Perfect for transporting fragile egos!
Also great for visibility – you can clearly see you’re higher up and better protected (A-posts) than all the other road users … who you can’t see when they get close, or move behind an A-post.
Great for manufactures’ profits / salespeople’s commisions too!
I think the hatred towards
I think the hatred towards cyclists has always been there. When I started cycling to work in the seventies I couldn’t believe the amount of abuse I received on a daily basis. It nearly put me off cycling for good. I honestly thought I was doing something wrong.
perce wrote:
Ahh don’t worry, we’ve all got our tiny violins out for you 🙂
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
“We all” being you, Flintshire Boy and…? All the other members of your sad little bullygroup have been banned, I believe, as you were.
I think they were all part of
I think they were all part of a band called Facile Comment. The lead singer was the ”would like to be notorious” Insignificant Nobody.
Didn’t Facile Comment have a
Didn’t Facile Comment have a violinist at one stage? “Tiny” Dick Poster I think it was?
Yes you’re right I think they
Yes you’re right I think they did. How could I forget him?
Rendel Harris wrote:
Haha, was it you who mentioned about the song “Creepy Obsession”
Kindly stop following me around.
Left_is_for_Losers wrote:
That’s not a violin, so stop fiddling with it.
belugabob wrote:
Take a bow!
To go with your tiny little
To go with your tiny little mind.
Even more stupid to build
Even more stupid to build roads for high-energy motor vehicles anywhere near parks, schools, etc., then surely?
It seems a cockamamie idea to
It seems a cockamamie idea to build roads next to pavements. Seriously, all cars driving next to designated pedestrian facilities, used by both the young and the old, should be limited to 20mph or even less.
That actually makes sense.
That actually makes sense. Unlike banning bicycles from near pedestrians.
Meanwhile in the Tour de
Meanwhile in the Tour de Romandie…a perfect example of “it’s never over till it’s over” and “don’t celebrate too early/before you’re won”
P.s. before the trolls say it, yes they are both fabulous band names
Dreadful band names. I’ve
Dreadful band names. I’ve seen both in fortune cookies though.
Go away you ridiculous little
Go away you ridiculous little troll before I call a policeman. And your mum.
Still a believer. Hilarious.
Still a believer. Hilarious. You utter halfwit (just bantz obvs)
Lol yes very funny you
Lol yes very funny you complete dope (also just bantz)
When does this become cyber
When does this become cyber bullying?
Well…quite.
Well…quite.
I just copied and pasted comments you have previously written.
Or are you just commenting on my comments for the bantz still?
When did I write that comment
When did I write that comment about trolls & policemen then?
Comments for the Bantz the Detroit based gangster rap outfit you mean? My kids love them.
Still waiting….
Still waiting….
Still waiting.
Still waiting.
Do I really need to spell it out for you again?
Calm down dear you’ll give
Calm down dear you’ll give yourself a stroke.
True that – there’s some
True that – there’s some scary revelations therein. In the past they’ve told me I was not for human consumption.
30 mph coming up, large van
30 mph coming up, large van coming the other way, 41mph, cyclist
Mikey Made Me Do It
I assume this is a parody
I assume this is a parody account but who knows these days
“We can’t have bike lanes, roads were made for ca—Roman centurions!”
Paging Rendel Harris
Paging Rendel Harris
“On September 30, Mr Jones will take on a virtual bike ride where he will be completing an Everesting – a challenge which sees the participant cycle the height of their chosen mountain, in continuous repetitions, in one single activity.
Admirably, Owen is taking on the Alpe d’huez and will not be stopping until he hits the total height of 29,000ft.
The cyclist says the challenge will take 18 hours to complete and more than 9,000 calories will be needed – he is also not permitted to sleep for the duration. “
Can you join him Rendel !
(page is normally pay walled
https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/23787845.harwich-man-fundraising-east-anglian-air-ambulance/)
Wow, fair play to Owen!
Wow, fair play to Owen! Unfortunately I’ve not been enjoying the best of health for a while which limits my virtual idiocy but I’ll certainly be cheering him on in spirit and chucking a couple of bob his way – I know three people who wouldn’t be alive today if it weren’t for the air ambulance services in various parts of the country so a great cause.
Well I must say that leftie
Well I must say that leftie is being particularly antagonising today.
Oh I’m terribly sorry
Oh I’m terribly sorry
What an incredible amount of frothing going on here btw over one person’s posts. It’s laughable in fact – no wonder there are never any new users here.
(other than the more thick-skinned)