Active travel campaigner leaves Twitter after abuse & threats; Cav content; TDF behind the scenes; But cyclists; New pro kit: Movistar go dark; Virtual Everesting; Pog to ride Flanders; Dashboard gunsight; Hairpin porn; Bye Bailey + more on the live blog

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1. Do we really need to know

   Do we really need to know about cyclist hate from a random Twitter troll from Finland? It’s a fine balance but sometimes, quite often in fact there’s no need to report this sort of thing….don’t let road.cc turn into a social media hate fest!!

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   • Quite

     Quite

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   • EddyBerckx wrote:

     Do we really need to know about cyclist hate from a random Twitter troll from Finland? It’s a fine balance but sometimes, quite often in fact there’s no need to report this sort of thing….don’t let road.cc turn into a social media hate fest!!

     — EddyBerckx

     My thoughts exactly

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   • As an antidote here’s a video

     As an antidote here’s a video about winter cycling in Oulu in Finland – 22% modal journey share for cycles (and 38% of people cycle at least occasionally year-round)!

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   • I think its particularly

     I think its particularly ironic given the post from Jo Rigby about Twitter in the next news item.  Since Twitter is so full of toxic trash – should Road.CC being thinking a bit harder about whether they increase its reach?

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     • Secret_squirrel wrote:

       I think its particularly ironic given the post from Jo Rigby about Twitter in the next news item.  Since Twitter is so full of toxic trash – should Road.CC being thinking a bit harder about whether they increase its reach?

       — Secret_squirrel

       Yes, it seems needless to satisfy random trolls in Finland with the response they want (“hey look I’ve riled some road lice in UK!) when we have the likes of Peter Hargreaves enabling the criminal harassment of elected representatives. 

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   • That’s true. We’ve enough

     That’s true. We’ve enough trolls here in the UK, some of whom even post regularly on this website.

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     • ‘Troll : someone who dares to

       ‘Troll : someone who dares to have a different opinion to you, and in the interests of democracy must be silenced immediately.’

       Or something like that.

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       • If you asked who is (are) the

         If you asked who is (are) the troll(s) on here, you would get a very small list back from posters.

         People who post here are easily able to distinguish between those who have minority opinions and those who post simply to bait people.

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       • So Flintshire. (and unlike

         So Flintshire. (and unlike Nick_cb who will debate back and forth, I don’t expect you to answer these as you never seem to want to backup your convictions when queried)

         Do you think fat cyclists cause accidents because they block out other cyclists in front?
         Do you believe Nick Freeman is a top road safety expert being as his living is to defend people who broke road safety laws regularly?
         Do you think being banned for racism, then coming back on under a different psuedonym that they then regulalry change including using it to blame a cyclist who died in a collision because of the bike they rode is just a different opinion?

         And please give reasons why these are valid opinions rather then deliberately trolling comments if you do agree with Boo on the above items. 

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         •  

           If you want it straight from the horse’s mouth, you have to ask the horse. Don’t harangue Flintshire Boy, simply because he has a different opinion to you:

           Do you think fat cyclists cause accidents because they block out other cyclists in front?

           — AlsoSomniloquism

           Yes, in rare circumstances that would be the case.

           Do you believe Nick Freeman is a top road safety expert being as his living is to defend people who broke road safety laws regularly?

           — AlsoSomniloquism

           This is a mischaracterisation of Nick Freeman’s job. I’ve already explained the ethical justification for what he does in my previous post. He clearly is a road safety expert, as he regularly does TV and radio interviews, as well as newspaper columns on the subject, which might involve tightening up existing laws, introducing new ones, or improving safety for vulnerable people.

           Do you think being banned for racism, then coming back on under a different psuedonym that they then regulalry change including using it to blame a cyclist who died in a collision because of the bike they rode is just a different opinion?

           — AlsoSomniloquism

           This simply isn’t true. As I already said, there was a previous poster that asked for his account and posts to be deleted, and the Road.cc team carried out the request. I temporarily changed my handle to “tt danger” as there was a php error in logging in, and I stand by my entirely justifiable position that riding TT bikes is dangerous.

         • [/quote]
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           This is a mischaracterisation of Nick Freeman’s job. 

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           I know there’s a lot of interest here, so I thought I’d note that lawyer extraordinaire, road safety expert, and all-round good egg Nick Freeman

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           Which tw*t was it who said the above? Oh yes the resident Road.cc sea lion!

            

            

         • Ok Boo, I will go against my

           Ok Boo, I will go against my normal stated policy but you have asked me to get the details straight from the arses mouth. 

           So where you claim you are not Boo even though all what he used to state and all you state tallies up and that person is different.
           You claim banned boo did not get banned but deliberately asked for all of his postings and his account to be removed “cause reasons”, so how did he contact you to tell you this? I mean afterall, when I previously confronted you over this you had never heard of this person before. Surely if I’m so mistaken he would have contacted me to put the record straight rather then contact another total stranger. I mean it did seem weird that the morning after he posted racist comments about Irish people all his posts and his account disappeared. I wonder why after posting that he thought “no, I better just ask to leave” Was it because people were rightly calling it racist I wonder? So again, the main question I would like answering is how did someone you have never heard of who left this site before you ever arrived, manage to contact you to put the record straight instead of contacting the person who is spreading the news he was banned. 

           I will pre-empt you in that I smell your favourite smell, Bullshit. It must be your favourite as you seem to worship it in all your role models. 

           Oh and to pick up the other obvious lie about username issues. PHP errors stopped you logging on, but you could still change your username to logon past the errors without managing to logon. Maybe the errors happened because you had already changed your username to “YouareallCyberbullies” when you had a hissy fit and vowed (but of course broke that vow straight away) to leave the site and never post again. Also very starnge that the only username to work for you was TTDanger which you used to post some vile comments about the death of a young lady that even more laid back members of this site reported you over and were removed by admin. Just a shame that you then didn’t “ask for your account to be removed” just like boo to save the rest of us from putting up with you. 

           And before the more right wing members argue that my last coments are about silencing opinions and not being democratic. Can I just remind you that #boycottGBNews was trending when a presenter decided to do an AntiRacism gesture after twitter bile went through the roof in the summer and he was subsequently forced to resign. So both sides of the spectrum will hate differing opinions that the “majority” of the platform users might not have.  

            

         • All correct especially the

           All correct especially the nonsense about ‘I had to change my username because I couldn’t login’ even though you had to have logged in successfully to change it.

           Then change it another 5 times.

         • AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

           I mean it did seem weird that the morning after he posted racist comments about Irish people all his posts and his account disappeared. I wonder why after posting that he thought “no, I better just ask to leave” Was it because people were rightly calling it racist I wonder? So again, the main question I would like answering is how did someone you have never heard of who left this site before you ever arrived, manage to contact you to put the record straight instead of contacting the person who is spreading the news he was banned. 

           — AlsoSomniloquism

           Sigh, this isn’t what happened. I’ve just been in conversation with the previous user, who I’m acquainted with – he told me that Bradley Wiggins had told a joke about Sean Kelly’s Irish accent on Eurosport, and he made a tribute to the joke, by jesting about the Scottish accent here and not being able to tell what was being said. This had nothing to do with him asking to have his account removed.

           Oh and to pick up the other obvious lie about username issues. PHP errors stopped you logging on, but you could still change your username to logon past the errors without managing to logon.

           — AlsoSomniloquism

           That’s correct, yes. I was trapped on the user page, and every time I tried to get out of it the site kicked an error. The only way I could seem to resolve it was by changing my user name. Many other people had a similar issue around that time – there was a long thread about it.

           Also very starnge that the only username to work for you was TTDanger which you used to post some vile comments about the death of a young lady that even more laid back members of this site reported you over and were removed by admin. 

           — AlsoSomniloquism

           Again, this never happened. There was an article that appeared – after I changed my username – that mentioned someone had got injured in a TT competition. I pointed out that there had been a number a recent casualties in TT events, and that people should look at whether it’s suitable to run them on open roads. Another user then complained about the post and it was removed (I believe without due reason, but it’s not my decision to make). Again, no one was banned and no rules were broken.

         • Funny how you were the only

           Funny how you were the only one who had to change their name and then decided to change it to ‘you are all cyberbullies’ then one or two days later to ‘tt danger’. Instead of the normal nigel garrage1. More lies.

           And you did post as TT danger on the woman who was badly injured and trolled about the incident. Of course, you could have changed your username back but you prefer to suck people into responding, leaving them thinking it is a different poster.

           Your whole approach is baiting and any other forum would have banned you months ago.

            

            

            

            

         • Garage at Large wrote:

           Lie after lie after lie after lie after lie after lie

           — Garage at Large

           Boris and Donnie would be so proud. 

           Ok, lets break down this then. First you knew Boo IRL, but even though you both have similar interests in riding only by yourself, supporting far right and bumbling leaders, hating cycling clubs, hating TT bikes, victim blaming cyclists and having a hard on against Cycling Mikey, you only decided to join a site your “mate” left 8 or so months previously. Yep ok. SoIF I would now believe you, it would obviously meant you lied when I confronted you previously about this and you stated you don’t know anything about the fella. Of course so strange you know the exact thing that was posted and was then gone the very next day. 

           Yes, there was a long thread about issues on the site, not one thing about being trapped in user page and I don’t remember anyone else having to change their username at all. You must be so unlucky that you needed to change it several times and not one other person did but also very lucky that your name change occurred before the news of the collisions. I mean even though it must have been seconds before as I distinctly remember the name was You Are All CyberBullies that morning and then it was TT Danger that afternoon with me commenting about the name change having to do with that story and Hirsute stating he had made the complaint about your crass comments. 

           So anyway, as you are now clearly a fantasist on a windup making offensive comments and still peddling conspiracies when you want to, I will go back to talking about you and not talking to you Boo.

            

       • First – story was about

         First – story was about whether we needed stuff from some guy in Finland joking about driving into cyclists.

         Does that mean you agree with the sentiment, think this is all in good robust humour or are merely pitching in in favour of a friend / your master?

         Kind of you to activate your dictionary mode though.

         I think I’ll run with these definitions myself:

         https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/troll

         troll noun [C] (COMPUTING)
         someone who leaves an intentionally annoying or offensive message on the internet, in order to upset someone or to get attention or cause trouble
         a message that someone leaves on the internet that is intended to annoy people:

         troll verb [I or T] (ANNOY) informal
         to leave an insulting or offensive message on the internet in order to upset someone, or to get attention or cause trouble:

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       • Not sure what dictionary you

         Not sure what dictionary you pulled that definition from. But it’s definitely not in any of the dictionaries I have. 

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   • You mean that it isn’t

     You mean that it isn’t already, at times???!!!

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2. I know there’s a lot of

   I know there’s a lot of interest here, so I thought I’d note that lawyer extraordinaire, road safety expert, and all-round good egg Nick Freeman did a fantastic and wide-ranging interview on e-scooters, cycling registrations, electric cars and why London’s cycling lanes make it the most congested city in the world.

   I’ve just listened to it myself as I was working, and found myself silently nodding along to his sage words. Perhaps you will too.

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   • There isn’t a lot of interest

     There isn’t a lot of interest.  Only Nigel stirring it up and everybody else telling him Nick Freeman is an arse.

     Can we just take that as read and ignore him?

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     • I still don’t get why no one

       I still don’t get why no one who ever lets Poophole spout his bile in the context of road safety never asks the questions.

       “If you are so adamant on road safety, why have you supposedly made millions defending drivers who do actually speed and drive dangerously, but get away with it because you argue on  technicalities rather then they didn’t actually do the offence?”

       “How many times have you had to defend the same offender for the same driving offences being committed again and again and don’t you feel that you publicising it all means drivers feel that they can get away with these more and more?”

       Those should always be the first questions asked for balance before they allow him to justify his other claims. 

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       • TV interviews have a limited

         TV interviews have a limited time, and these questions have already been posed to and graciously answered by Mr Freeman:

         “If you are so adamant on road safety, why have you supposedly made millions defending drivers who do actually speed and drive dangerously, but get away with it because you argue on  technicalities rather then they didn’t actually do the offence?”

         Well, first of all there’s no “supposedly” about it. Mr Freeman has made millions rightfully defending drivers. Secondly, as anyone who respects the rule of law knows, everyone has the right to a fair trial, and that involves access to the best defence team you can find.

         You cannot blame a top lawyer for finding holes in badly written laws. You should instead be lobbying your MP to tighten up the law itself. Mr Freeman’s work is entirely ethically justifiable, and indeed is necessary in a free society. Indeed, Mr Freeman himself regularly campaigns to rewrite badly-written laws and statutes.

         “How many times have you had to defend the same offender for the same driving offences being committed again and again and don’t you feel that you publicising it all means drivers feel that they can get away with these more and more?”

         Firstly, there are no rules, nor should there be, for a lawyer to represent a client more than once.

         Secondly, Mr Freeman isn’t a newspaper or a journalistic output. The fact is that he – as a top lawyer – represents celebrity clients, and that in itself generates its own publicity. 

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         • Garage at Large wrote:

           <stuff about Nick Freeman.  again.>

           — Garage at Large

           I think we’ve got you all wrong – I name you, ‘Uriah Heep’.

         • But not nearly so ‘umble…

           But not nearly so ‘umble…

         • brooksby wrote:

           <stuff about Nick Freeman.  again.>

           — brooksby

           I think we’ve got you all wrong – I name you, ‘Uriah Heep’.

           — Garage at Large

           Oh that’s really good, spot on!

   • Go away Nigel.
     Thank you.
      

     Go away Nigel.

     Thank you.

      

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   • I love how you’ve become such
     I love how you’ve become such parody of a troll that I find myself silently nodding along to your biting sarcasm.

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   • Does good old “road safety
     Does good old “road safety Nick” drown out the other voices?

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3. It’s such a shame that Jo

   It’s such a shame that Jo Rigby, an exemplary hard-working public servant dedicated to cycling and active travel, has been hounded off social media by the foul abuse she’s received, having already decided that she wouldn’t stand for re-election as a local councillor partly for the same reason. I’ve seen a fair bit of the abuse she’s received, nearly all from men from “One” anti-LTN groups and it’s been astoundingly vile.

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   • Rendel Harris wrote:

     It’s such a shame that Jo Rigby, an exemplary hard-working public servant dedicated to cycling and active travel, has been hounded off social media by the foul abuse she’s received, having already decided that she wouldn’t stand for re-election as a local councillor partly for the same reason. I’ve seen a fair bit of the abuse she’s received, nearly all from men from “One” anti-LTN groups and it’s been astoundingly vile.

     — Rendel Harris

     Has the abuse been reported to twitter, fb and any other platforms it appears on?  These people should be named and shamed and banned from the media.

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     • One of the replies in the

       One of the replies in the threads stated it has been reported. 

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4. = Our Nige wrote:
   [quote Our Nige]

   … that lawyer extraordinaire, road safety expert, and all-round good egg Nick Freeman

   [/quote]

   Is it me, or is their use of language growing more and more over the top?

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5. That Maggie Dodge in Jo’s

   That Maggie Dodge in Jo’s comment appears to have form, and has been forced to apologise publically for defamation in the past. What a lovely person.

   https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/karen-liebreich-defamation-proceedings-settled-out-of-court/

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   • Tinbob49 wrote:

     That Maggie Dodge in Jo’s comment appears to have form, and has been forced to apologise publically for defamation in the past. What a lovely person.

     https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/karen-liebreich-defamation-proceedings-settled-out-of-court/

     — Tinbob49

     Not only a vicious liar, but too stupid to learn after paying out £1,300 last time.

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     • If you do want a laugh and

       If you do want a laugh and literally see how rabid anti cyclist she is, MortonPeas is her twitter handle. She was in the debate on a video of a Richmond park stating parks are their to be driven in and not to be cycled in. When someone stated we want to remove the cars from the park she piped up, so you want to make them inaccessible to everyone but cyclists and walkers. I think she actually lives in her car and just teleports from it to anywhere else. 

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6. Today’s local story – that hi

   Today’s local story – that hi viz is certainly effective in the daytime with that background…um

   

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7. With regard to the idea of

   With regard to the idea of cyclist registration, I think Nick our new moral leader is too soft and just going for the low hanging fruit. I would go much further. A national database of all people in the UK containing personal information, including DNA samples, and a network of CCTV cameras with advanced facial recognition software. Eventually, I hope we can find a cunning ruse to trick everyone into having computer chips implanted, an idea that I’ve secretly code named “jabs in arms”.

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   • IanMK wrote:

     [ … ] Eventually, I hope we can find a cunning ruse to trick everyone into having computer chips implanted, an idea that I’ve secretly code named “jabs in arms”.

     — IanMK

     Too little ambition! “The bourgoisie will pay for the mobile devices and install the apps we will use to spy on them” – Lenin Mark Zuckerberg

     (Actually it looks like Lenin never said anything so snappy – unsubstatiated as many good stories)

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8. I think Movistar’s kit has

   I think Movistar’s kit has never been as good as when the M was green.

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   • I like this one more fwiw
     I like this one more fwiw shades of blue always work well together and it’s kind of a combo from their cyan kit last year and the older navy one.

     It does remind me of another kit from somewhere, but it certainly wasnt the Man City thing.

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     • Be interesting if the bikes

       Be interesting if the bikes still have the two tone blue shade or go for this darker colour all over. 

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       • They could do a colour fade
         They could do a colour fade between the two, that would look very swish imo 🙂

         La Passione have more details on their design process for the kit.
         https://uk.lapassione.cc/pages/la-passione-for-movistar-team

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9. The Movistar kit is ok.  The

   The Movistar kit is ok.  The Man City kit is awful.

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   • That is clearly just a

     That is clearly just a training t-shirt, not an actual football shirt.

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     • Organon wrote:

       That is clearly just a training t-shirt, not an actual football shirt.

       — Organon

       you’d think so but

       https://shop.mancity.com/gb/en/manchester-city-3rd-shirt-21-22/701219466-navy.html

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10. Whenever, I jump in my car I

    Whenever, I jump in my car I like to offer up a quiet prayer to apolgise in advance for all the blinkin’ carnage I’m about to create. I like to call it my apology of blinkin’ absolution (ABA).

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    • IanMK wrote:

      Whenever, I jump in my car I like to offer up a quiet prayer to apolgise in advance for all the blinkin’ carnage I’m about to create. I like to call it my apology of blinkin’ absolution (ABA).

      — IanMK

      Rest assured that you will unlikely be prosecuted on your rampage, and even if dragged before a court, with multiple murders in your vehicle, you will unlikely lose your licence or be inconvenienced from any sentencing. Such is the UK’s car-centric motorist-appeasing legal system.

      Coincidentally Katie Price has been banned from driving for about the seventh time, for driving while banned, without insurance, on drugs, drunk, on the way to buy more drugs – Result: Another pointless ban, no prison time at all.

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      • Jenova20 wrote:

        Coincidentally Katie Price has been banned from driving for about the seventh time, for driving while banned, without insurance, on drugs, drunk, on the way to buy more drugs – Result: Another pointless ban, no prison time at all.

        — Jenova20

        I think most people treat the prospect of being caught with fear, abhorrence, disgust, shame and variations of those feelings.

        Most people.

        For some, it just seems like an occupational hazard, with a reasonable chance of absolution in court with (the right ‘highly regarded road safety expert’ as your brief*) – at most a slap on the wrist and a short walk to the Head’s office, giving off cheeky smiles and winks to yer mates as you go.

        Then it’s back to your high profile meeja work (what is it you do, Katie?) to explain how she suffers ever-so from all the something or other.

        Sadly, the things KP talks about are real issues, and may be real in her case. But if those become any part of the excuse for her behaviour behind the wheel of a 2-tonne vehicle, then enforcement should be effective and meaningful for somebody who can pay for a driver during the ban, and whose 100 hours of communuty service will simply inspire series 2 of Misfits.

        Meanwhile, apparently, as her friend tells the Sun, 

        “She is happily planning Christmas. All of her plans for next year are intact. Some of those close to her are worried she is in denial about the situation she is in. When she is asked, her response is that she has been to The Priory, and they will let her off because her family [disabled son & terminally ill mother] need her. But the crimes she has admitted are serious and some are concerned she is burying her head in the sand.”

        Then, Her Jordanship posts on Instagram to say, “It seems that at the moment the media won’t leave me alone and are trying to portray that I’m not taking this situation serious. Well I’m here to confirm that I definitely am.” [ibid]

        I’ll just reiterate that, Katie Price takes to Instagram to tell her 2.6m followers, that the media won’t leave her alone… “I am takin’ it seriouslike, coz Instagram, innit!”

         

        (* a different one from the usual name that keeps popping up.  Even KP’s defence didn’t seem to be her best friend in court: “It’s a complicated driving history. Things tend to be quite complicated with this lady. She does not deal with her problems, particularly with paperwork.” 

        I’m at a loss to understand how taking drink and drugs before driving and rolling a car is ‘paperwork’, and I applaud the police for considering appealing the sentence.)

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        • We’ve already had series 2 of

          We’ve already had series 2 of Misfits !

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          • You’re absolutely right. 

            You’re absolutely right.  Wrong show.  Outlaws.

        • The Grauniad has said today

          The Grauniad has said today (16/12) that the police are considering appealing against Price’s sentence as being unduly lenient.

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        • And the court effectively

          And the court effectively said “Roll another one, just like the other one, you’re not holding on to it (your licence), just don’t drive for a bit. Don’t bogart that jeep, my friend …”

          Far as I’m aware she can afford a cab / chauffeur so it is pretty outrageous she’s dodged the clink – but not surprised rich folks do better in court. (Also please police are taking that sentence on). I’m more interested in what would effectively keep her (and lots more like her) off the roads for longer. So it’s how to better enforce that on a budget? Prison would – but only for a short time.

          Possibly why there’s no national forum for reporting road offenses – probably everyone knows that the system would be swamped in no time.

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          • chrisonatrike wrote:

            Far as I’m aware she can afford a cab / chauffeur so it is pretty outrageous she’s dodged the clink – but not surprised rich folks do better in court.

            — chrisonatrike

            She was declared bankrupt in November 2019 so she may not be as rich as you think.

            I suspect her reckless behaviour and inability to take responsibility is not just a driving thing.

            For clarity, I believe her sentence is far too lenient too.

            It may also be why she wasn’t represented by Nigel’s favourite lawyer this time around.

          • Sniffer wrote:

            She was declared bankrupt in November 2019

            — Sniffer

            was once worth more than £45m, but bankrupt in 2019 over £3m in debts,

            what was the car that she flipped over leading to this case? hard to tell from the images of the underside, but I would not be surprised if it was an X5, hardly a cheap car. And this despite th fact she has crahed other cars since her bankruptcy.

          • Previously reported as a bmw.

            Previously reported as a bmw. Although who owns it is another thing. Probably rented like nearly all new cars.

          • When she was declared
            When she was declared bankrupt the court heard she had average earnings of £45,000 per month & her mansion was worth at least £2million. As it happens it’s more likely now she will face jail time for not keeping to the bankruptcy agreement to repay her creditors as part of the CVA.

          • Awavey wrote:

            When she was declared bankrupt the court heard she had average earnings of £45,000 per month & her mansion was worth at least £2million. As it happens it’s more likely now she will face jail time for not keeping to the bankruptcy agreement to repay her creditors as part of the CVA.

            — Awavey

            because property >>> safety every time.  

          • Didn’t know that – but still

            Didn’t know that – but still can afford to run a car (and indeed upend it) and lawyers (presumably – although maybe she’s bilking them?) and obtain Bolivian marching powder. Although I hear that does at least provide its own motivation for getting more…

            I think for many people going bankrupt is “bad times” but there are rumours that some folks are seen not doing badly afterwards.  Guess it depends on the conditions and who checks up on them.

11. That cycle path on the

    That cycle path on the mountain looks like something from Apple Maps…

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12. Family react after HGV driver
    Family react after HGV driver jailed over cyclist death https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/crime/family-react-hgv-driver-killed-elderly-cyclist-bungay-8565444

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13. Have a look at this story on

    Have a look at this story on the BBC, and note that ‘every’ motorist on this video was fined £846 or disqualified.

    Pity that if these were filmed on a bike camera the police would bleat ‘insufficient evidence, not in the public interest, too busy, blah blah blah’. Especially the crazy overtake at the beginning. If this was a NMOTD, there would be no further action, or insufficient evidence.

     

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-59657711

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    • Yep, I added the same link on

      Yep, I added the same link on late yesterdays blog as well. It is about time the Police actually has national guidelines on submissions and following through with them rather then it being piecemeal for each force. 

      I envy people who get feedback on NIP status etc and stare in horror at WTJS’s local force deciding that red light jumping at the one set of lights is fine. Surrey Twitter account do good public knowledge share but are let down with actually actioning. 

      And that latest video with Herts, Beds and Bucks Police starting please submit because look how bad this driving is and it is all offences and then NMOTD 671 having a response that the driving with the trailer was not an offence in any way even though cyclist had to take evading action to avoid dying. 

       

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      • Yes, Lancashire are my local

        Yes, Lancashire are my local force too. And they are completely useless. Lazy, no interest at all in doing anything to make our roads safer. I have given up reporting dangerous drivers to them. Supplied with HD footage with sound, they still decide that it’s not in the public interest, too busy, not enough evidence, blah blah blah.

        I have zero respect for the police now, and would not lift a finger to help them. And I used to be a police volunteer, and gave a lot of my spare time to them, usually Friday evenings and weekends. Never again.

        Yes, the red light jumping is dreadful. I know that junction well, the A6 at Garstang. It is a fast road and the approach to the lights from one side is on a downhill from a canal bridge. I use the A6 regularly to get from one place to another but try to avoid it where possible, using the small lanes instead.

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        • I have zero respect for the

          I have zero respect for the police now, and would not lift a finger to help them. And I used to be a police volunteer, and gave a lot of my spare time to them, usually Friday evenings and weekends. Never again

          Can’t argue with that- I despise the b******s. This is black Berlingo VO12 HXU crashing the lights at the usual A6 junction

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          • Have you noticed that a lot

            Have you noticed that a lot of the traffic lights around the Preston area seem to be biased towards causing collisions?

            What I mean is, for example, the roundabout at Bamber Bridge, between Sainsburys and St Catherines Hospice. Which I avoid like the plague on the bike btw, but if you sit in the car at any point, as the lights to your right turn red, the ones for you turn amber, green immediately. There is no break between the lights, the amber lights up as the opposing red lights up. So, if someone is going to drive through on red, they may well collide with you as you are already moving across the roundabout.

            This is not unique to this junction, I see it at many traffic lights in the area. Almost as if they want the accident rate to increase so they can add yet more lights.

      • I envy people who get

        I envy people who get feedback on NIP status etc and stare in horror at WTJS’s local force deciding that red light jumping at the one set of lights is fine

        I feelI should reward this mention with the evidence of one of my rarely mentioned cases- black Astra PK66 JYP speeding through a red light. I think this one (I have the evidence, I just can’t be bothered to look it up) was treated to a formal statement and was then binned. This was a regular dodge of Lancashire Constabulary late last year- they now refuse to communicate at all about the outcomes. I write to the SRU Court Presentation Officers (employees of LC, usually Roseanna Nuttall- laugh all you want: SRU stands for Safer Roads Unit) and she refuses to tell me anything about the case and suggests I ask the relevant police officer- usually PC 1583 Bryan Harrison, who styles himself as Tac Ops Dash Camera. I had, of course, already asked PC Bryan Harrison who refused to reply. I ask him again, and he still doesn’t reply. The reason is, of course, that there is no outcome to the case because it was just a sham statement and a sham prosecution which was never intended to take place and they have just decided to keep quiet about it for fear of incriminating themselves further. I have all the statements as .pdf files. It is difficult to describe to people in other areas what it’s like dealing with a police force as bent as Lancashire.

        Since New Year they have abandoned this ‘statements dodge’- they just refuse to respond in any way to evidence of red-light offences. You may well ask why they are putting more effort into not prosecuting people than they would have to put into dead certainty convictions. The reason is that officers are accepting payments to abandon prosecutions- it’s the only explanation

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    • hey if that first one were

      hey if that first one were ignored just because it was a bike cam, I think Id quit cycling on UK roads completely, how the heck they missed crashing into the car there I do not know, I hope thats the one that was disqualified. The rest Im not sure were much more than atypical stuff you see on the roads daily, though why people feel they need to use hard shoulders to speed, when there were  completely empty lanes they could have sped on, is perplexing.

      but maybe an FOI request to Cambridge,Bucks & Herts on how many NIPs from cyclist videos might be in order for an article.

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      • I agree, but my point was

        I agree, but my point was that if all the footage was supplied by cyclists there would be no further action taken.

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        • and my point was if that

          and my point was if that first one were given that specific NFA treatment just because it was supplied by a cyclist, I would not cycle on UK roads anymore, because I would not consider it safe to ride as we would not have any fit for purpose legal recourse or protection.

          maybe Im naive, but I do not agree that first incident would be treated anything other than deadly seriously by the police, whoever submitted it. the others I dont know, its going to be down to the force involved.

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          • Try reporting that first one,

            Try reporting that first one, and supplying the video footage to Lancashire police. You will see what I mean.

14. To be fair, after I berated

    To be fair, after I berated Jeremy yesterday for seeming a bit horn-happy, that was entirely appropriate honking, and he seemed to be able to brake at the same time. 

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15. You can’t Everest in your

    You can’t Everest in your livingroom.

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    • Organon wrote:

      You can’t Everest in your livingroom.

      — Organon

      correct, because the boss would never let me set up the turbo trainer there.

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    • What if your living room is

      What if your living room is actually on Everest?  Surely theres a few Tibetans who can?

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