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“Unusual for a cyclist”: Pedestrian aims dig at Jeremy Vine – just as motorist drives onto zebra crossing; Race official drives into Giulio Ciccone during post-race interview; Paint is not protection, pro cycling style + more on the live blog

It’s Friday (thank goodness) and Ryan Mallon’s back for the last action-packed live blog of the week – when he’s not looking out at the snow…
10 March 2023, 09:00
“Unusual for a cyclist”: Pedestrian aims dig at Jeremy Vine – just as motorist drives onto zebra crossing

Ah, one last Jeremy Vine video this week wouldn’t hurt, would it? Come on, let me off with this one, it’s Friday…

Anyway, the latest snazzily-annotated commuting clip from the meme merchant and Mad Max impersonator (sorry, presenter-broadcaster) highlights how some people just can’t resist a dig at cyclists – even when drivers are putting them in danger.

In the video, titled ‘How people see cyclists, part 41’ (I swear he’s getting his ideas from the live blog), Jeremy stops at a zebra crossing before waving at two pedestrians to cross.

So, how does one of the pedestrians react?

Well, he turns to Vine, waves back, and remarks, “Unusual for a cyclist”… before making his way around the motorist abruptly stopped bang in the middle of the zebra crossing.

“He is completely blind to the danger posed by the metal lump beside me,” Vine wrote in his video.

“That’s how it works on Planet Petrol.”

10 March 2023, 16:35
Pedestrian aims dig at Jeremy Vine – just as motorist drives onto zebra crossing (credit - Jeremy Vine)
Passive aggressive compliments and waves of death: Readers react to Jeremy Vine’s latest clip

Cycling broadcaster Jezza Vine’s latest clip from his London commute has certainly fired up everyone in the comments section. Here’s a selection of what some of you were saying, from ingrained anti-cycling attitudes to zebra crossing etiquette:

Rendel Harris: “Those sort of passive aggressive ‘compliments’ are extremely tiresome. I had a recent example in The Mall when I stopped at the red light halfway down because I wasn’t sure whether the road had been reopened to traffic or not after the Horse Guards had ridden through.

“A policeman on the corner said, ‘Go on, you can ride through’. I thanked him and then he said, ‘Cyclists usually ignore red lights, why stop now?’ – indicative of an almost psychopathic desire to get an insult in somewhere, oh, you haven't done anything wrong I can have a go at you about, I'll have a go at cyclists in general instead then.”

Cycle92: “It might just be me, but I wouldn’t have bothered filtering here as he’s turning left and the space and view are limited. Too much of tight squeeze looking at Jeremy wobble through.

“Waving the pedestrians on is a big no for me as well. They need to make the decision to cross, not the people already on the highway. They weren’t on the crossing when the vehicle moved off. It’s in the Highway Code. Poor awareness from both the driver and Jeremy.”

HoarseMann: “The ‘wave of death’ perfectly executed by Jeremy there. I make a point of almost never waving pedestrians across the road.

“Whilst the Highway Code rule H2 now says you ‘should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross’, it’s not illegal to continue over the crossing.

“I think there’s a danger here that you can take rule H2 too literally. I think those pedestrians were actually holding back for Jeremy and the van to get over the crossing. The new rules don’t mean pedestrians are no longer allowed to be courteous and let a cyclist/vehicle cross when they technically could have just continued walking.

“I haven’t done much cycling in London, but here I would have stayed behind the van. If I were to filter in this situation, I would have just kept going and got out of the way of the van (it would have been safer for the pedestrians rather than encouraging them to cross).”

Car Delenda Est: “Don’t wave someone across, it implies they’re wasting everyone’s precious time and can hurry them into an unsafe situation.

“Just acknowledge them with a nod and if you’re feeling impatient just walk through the crossing.”

SteveK: “Yep, agree with all that. But the point about attitudes – comments on the cyclist, ignores the terrible driving – still stands.”

10 March 2023, 16:59
It’s the weekend! Get the cycling-related tunes pumping…

That’s it for this week’s live blog – I hope you all have a fun and safe weekend!

10 March 2023, 09:41
Race official drives into Giulio Ciccone – as Trek-Segafredo rider was being interviewed by press after Tirreno-Adriatico stage

It just goes to show, you can wear a helmet and brightly-coloured clothing, and even be one of your country’s finest pro bike racers, standing in one spot, conducting an interview with journalists in the finish area of a top-tier international race, and distracted motorists will still find a way of hitting you…

Trek-Segafredo’s three-time Giro d’Italia stage winner and former Tour de France yellow jersey wearer Giulio Ciccone, who was speaking to the press after moving into the top ten on GC at Tirreno-Adriatico yesterday, had a few choice words (in Italian) for the race official who shunted him and his bike.

And so did the rest of the internet:

However, while former Giro winner Damiano Cunego remarked that Ciccone was “fine”, Bici.PRO reported this morning that the collision caused the Italian climber’s handlebars to hit his knee, causing pain and reported swelling.

The 28-year-old, however, is expected to take to the start of today’s crucial Tirreno stage in Morro d’Oro.

Motorists, eh?

10 March 2023, 10:18
Dangerous final kilometre at Paris-Nice (Brian Smith)
Paint is not protection, pro cycling style

Giulio Ciccone’s collision with a distracted race official proved a fitting end to an ignominious day for rider safety at two of the biggest week-long stage races on the planet.

Earlier at Tirreno-Adriatico, as we noted on yesterday’s live blog, the peloton was forced to negotiate a junction seemingly straight out of a particularly gruelling Mario Kart course…

And later that afternoon at Paris-Nice, as the riders entered the final kilometre in Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux, a spot of (admittedly very brief) segregated cycling infrastructure at the exit of a roundabout added a rather unnecessary layer of sketchiness and terror to the usual drama of a bunch sprint.

As Astana’s Joe Dombrowski and several others noted on Twitter, Paris-Nice’s perilous roundabout proved a telling indicator of the disparity between the increasing range of road safety measures being put in place for everyday cyclists and the safety needs of the pro peloton.

Is safe cycling infra making road racing more dangerous?

Nevertheless, the pitiful lack of warning given by the race organisers during yesterday’s finale did at least emphasise one common ground shared by commuters and pros alike: that paint is not protection:

10 March 2023, 15:57
Dangerous final kilometre at Paris-Nice (Brian Smith)
Is everyday cycling infrastructure making pro road racing more dangerous?

Following this morning’s blog story on the pro rider-led backlash after the Paris-Nice peloton was forced to negotiate a roundabout which included a potentially hazardous piece of cycling infra, road.cc reader readingbiker had some interesting observations on the relationship between everyday cycling and pro racing safety:

The point that I think *needs* to be stressed is that it’s not the infra itself that should be the issue, it’s how the races are planned and signalled to riders. Feels like there should have been clear barriers and marshals for the Paris-Nice route to block off the bit of infra that is highlighted.

As for Tirreno, ditto with clear marshalling and potentially barriering off that route or taking them the long way round the roundabout and barriering off the dangerous short way round.

Course design has come in for a lot of criticism, particularly when it comes to the finishing 5km where the speeds really get up, and clearly organisers have got a long way to go. Pinch points are and should continue to be a part of what makes racing exciting as riders jockey for position, but surely there are ways to make sure that’s safe too!

What do you think? Have race organisers and governing bodies been slow to adapt to the changing character of towns and cities in recent years?

10 March 2023, 15:23
Primož Roglič comes from nowhere to win mountain top sprint and take leader’s jersey at Tirreno-Adriatico

If we’ve learnt anything in pro cycling over the last six years or so, it’s to never write off Primož Roglič.

On the final, truncated climb of stage five of Tirreno-Adriatico to Sarnano Sassotetto this afternoon, the Slovenian lurked near the back of the slowly dwindling front group, sheltering from the strong winds that had buffeted the bunch all day and forced the organisers to move the finish 2.5km down the mountain.

In fact, hiding was the modus operandi for most of the peloton on the headwind-affected climb, with only Bahrain-Victorious’ Giro podium placing veteran Damiano Caruso daring to venture off the front with just under five kilometres left.

(Hmmm… Roglič and Jumbo-Visma haven’t reacted. Maybe he’s suffering? It is his first race back after all.)

For a long time, it looked like the waiting game (thanks, Sean) played by the GC contenders was destined to work in the Italian’s favour – but a late surge by Enric Mas and Giulio Ciccone (who showed no ill effects from his bizarre collision with a distracted car-driving race official after yesterday’s stage) ultimately snuffed out Caruso’s chances in the final kilometre.

(And still, everyone’s favourite former ski jumper is nowhere to be seen.)

Meanwhile, as Tom Pidcock dropped off the back as the attacks started to fly, EF’s Hugh Carthy looked sprightly, before another Brit, the Ineos Grenadiers’ Giro winner Tao Geoghegan Hart, launched the sprint from a still sizeable front group.

(Nope, still can’t see him.)

The Londoner was forced to settle for third, however, after being passed first by the strong Ciccone, before finally, finally, finally, Roglič – whose newly shaven legs had barely felt the considerably wind all day – once again proved that his timing is immaculate, making it two-from-two at Tirreno and inheriting Lennard Kämna’s blue leader’s jersey in the process.

Now pay attention kids – that’s how you race when it’s windy.

10 March 2023, 14:45
Rémy Rochas vs The Wind (Spoiler: the wind’s winning)

They weren’t lying when they said it was a tad gusty near the finish of today’s Tirreno-Adriatico stage to Sassotetto, as poor Rémy Rochas of Cofidis can attest:

That’s genuinely my worst nightmare on a bike. Give me rain, hills, terrible road surfaces – anything but strong winds. Awful stuff…

10 March 2023, 14:08
The only opinion on the Paris-Nice stage cancellation you’ll need to hear

Oh, UK Cycling Expert, how we’ve missed you…

10 March 2023, 13:22
Just when you thought your commute couldn’t get any colder or wetter…
10 March 2023, 12:42
Another one bites the dust (or snow): Drentse Acht van Westerveld also cancelled due to wintery conditions

It seems that no matter where you are in Europe, today is just not a day for bike racing…

Around the same time as ASO were pulling the plug on stage six of Paris-Nice, up in the Netherlands the organisers of the Drentse Acht van Westerveld decided, rather wisely, that enough was enough after two very snowy laps of the short finishing circuit around Dwingeloo.

While I’m sure most of the peloton were just happy to get near a radiator, EF Education’s winter wunderkind Zoe Bäckstedt may be wondering what all the fuss is about.

Then again, looking at those images, maybe not…

10 March 2023, 12:21
Paris-Nice stage six cancelled due to “exceptionally violent” winds

It’s a case of Mistral Stopped Play at Paris-Nice today as, despite the organisers’ attempts to shorten the stage and move it away from the windiest parts of the course, stage six of the Race to the Sun to La Colle-sur-Loup has been cancelled thanks to the adverse weather conditions in the Alpes-Maritimes.

The cancellation, made as the riders headed to a new hastily arranged start 120km down the road, comes as no surprise, with rumours of fallen trees and worried police on the finishing circuit making the decision to call the stage off on safety grounds a no-brainer.

Well, at least it won’t take you too long to digest this evening’s highlights package before Gogglebox starts:

10 March 2023, 11:57
‘You crashed your car? Just leave it in the cycle lane, I’m sure it’ll be grand’

Today’s crashy edition of ‘Why don’t cyclists use the cycle lanes?’, brought to you from Birmingham, raises an important, if extremely simple, question: Would the broken car have been dealt with quicker if it was strewn across any of the other lanes?

The good people of Twitter seem to think so:

Thankfully, locals have reported that the car has now been removed and temporary cycleway lights installed to replace the broken ones.

Just in time, I reckon, because if the car had spent any longer in the cycle lane, the Daily Mail would certainly now be shouting at it to wear some PPE…

10 March 2023, 11:32
Doesn’t sound too promising, does it?

Despite the ominous rumours, the riders are now all in their team buses on the way to the modified start in La Fontaine d’Aragon – we’ll keep you informed if there are any more changes to what is currently the ‘Race From The Wind’…

10 March 2023, 11:14
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10 March 2023, 10:51
High winds force organisers to shorten Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico stages

After yesterday’s safety debacle, the organisers of both Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico have been forced to shorten today’s stages due to the threat of high winds.

At Tirreno, that means that the potentially race-defining summit finish at Sarnano-Sassotetto will be cut by 2.5km due to the windy conditions at the Apennine ski station – reducing the final climb’s length from 13.2km to 10.7km as a result (though, with the mountain’s harshest gradients coming at the halfway mark, the reduction shouldn’t have a major outcome on the result).

“Due to the weather conditions of strong wind on the top of the mountain, RCS Sport, the race organisation, has decided to anticipate the finish line compared to the previously planned one, in order to ensure the greatest safety of the race and all its actors,” Tirreno’s organisers announced this morning.

Meanwhile, at Paris-Nice the Race to the Sun will briefly become the race to the bus, with the wind causing today’s hilly stage to La Colle-sur-Loup to be reduced by 118km to just 80km.

According to reports, the bunch will do a lap for the fans around the scheduled start town of Tourves before jumping in their team vehicles to head to La Fontaine d’Aragon, where ASO hopes the more sheltered landscape and the forecast for less imposing gusts will allow the race to carry on.

Fingers crossed we get to see some racing today. Though I suppose it could be worse…

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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ktache | 1 year ago
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There is a new Bike Blog in today's Guardian, Peter Walker reviews some bicycle subscription services

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2023/mar/11/pay-per-mo...

And a bit on some ways to perhaps at least delay dementia, getting sweaty is at the top.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/mar/11/dont-forget-to-flos...

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giff77 | 1 year ago
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After seeing the clip from Paris-Nice 1956 I'm now embarrassed to admit I bailed out this morning. 

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perce | 1 year ago
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I was watching Superman II the other day, quite good and I enjoyed it. I knew Clark Kent was Superman straight away though, those glasses didn't fool me for a minute. I'm surprised nobody else noticed - when I take my glasses off I look just like me but without glasses. Anyway I went for a bike ride after, just there and back to see how far it was.

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hawkinspeter replied to perce | 1 year ago
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perce wrote:

I was watching Superman II the other day, quite good and I enjoyed it. I knew Clark Kent was Superman straight away though, those glasses didn't fool me for a minute. I'm surprised nobody else noticed - when I take my glasses off I look just like me but without glasses. Anyway I went for a bike ride after, just there and back to see how far it was.

Was it the Richard Donner cut?

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Rendel Harris replied to perce | 1 year ago
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perce wrote:

I was watching Superman II the other day, quite good and I enjoyed it. I knew Clark Kent was Superman straight away though

So did I! Having watched Superman I helped a bit, of course.

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perce replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Ah yes. Me too. And reading the comics of course

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wycombewheeler replied to perce | 1 year ago
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perce wrote:

I was watching Superman II the other day, quite good and I enjoyed it. I knew Clark Kent was Superman straight away though, those glasses didn't fool me for a minute. I'm surprised nobody else noticed - when I take my glasses off I look just like me but without glasses. Anyway I went for a bike ride after, just there and back to see how far it was.

you say that, but I played badminton every week at a club and a lady there also worked in my office, when I said hello in the office she blanked me.

turns out she didn't recognise me without my sport goggles on.

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kinderje replied to perce | 1 year ago
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But how are you expected to know who Clark Kent is if they keep changing him? Last time I saw him he was the spitting image of a bloke called Witcher. Very confusing.

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Gimpl | 1 year ago
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I mentioned on here previously that I cycled in London last summer during the tube strikes. Whilst that is the only time I have done so, I do regularly walk around there. 

As I mentioned at the time, I was nearly the only one waiting at any kind of junction so I would agree with the pedestrian in JV's video. 

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JustTryingToGet... replied to Gimpl | 1 year ago
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Gimpl wrote:

I mentioned on here previously that I cycled in London last summer during the tube strikes. Whilst that is the only time I have done so, I do regularly walk around there. 

As I mentioned at the time, I was nearly the only one waiting at any kind of junction so I would agree with the pedestrian in JV's video. 

That seems a low ratio. I used to regularly cycle in London and now infrequently do so. Some junctions are worse than others but I've never been Billy no mates at junctions, plenty waiting with me.

I get pissed off with cyclists jumping crossings, but I'm exponentially more pissed off with motorists killing people every single day.

The point of the video though, is the standard to which cyclists are held at and slagged off whilst a shitty motoristbis literally parked on the crossing.

It isn't even false equivalence because it's not equivalent. You can drive a ton of metal at someone at that someone will still slag off cyclists.

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Adam Sutton replied to Gimpl | 1 year ago
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How dare you not follow the accepted narrative!

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Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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In case anyone was planning their afternoon around watching Paris-Nice, as I was, unfortunately stage six has been cancelled due to high winds. Tirreno Adriatico still going ahead but with the mountaintop finish moved to some lower slopes.  

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Steve K replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

In case anyone was planning their afternoon around watching Paris-Nice, as I was, unfortunately stage six has been cancelled due to high winds. Tirreno Adriatico still going ahead but with the mountaintop finish moved to some lower slopes.  

Completely cancelled now?   I'd seen it had been shortened earlier.

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Rendel Harris replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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Steve K wrote:

Completely cancelled now?   I'd seen it had been shortened earlier.

Sadly yes, screenshot from the race website below.

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HLaB | 1 year ago
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Its easier at a red light when you stop and the driver doesn't almost mowing down a ped. I can jump in jokingly with "only cyclists jump red lights".

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Can't see a mention of the 380 M cut to active travel

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1633914481666322432

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hawkinspeter replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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TrollsandPBUsWelcome wrote:

Can't see a mention of the 380 M cut to active travel https://mobile.twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1633914481666322432

What?!? Our government going back on promises?

Next you'll be suggesting that they just make appropriate noises without ever having any intention on trying to cut back on oil use and rampant pollution.

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cycle92 | 1 year ago
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It might just be me but I wouldn't have bothered filtering here as he's turning left and the space and view are limited. Too much of tight sqeeze looking at Jeremy wobble through. Waving the pedestrians on is a big no for me as well. They need to make the decision to cross not the people already on the highway. They weren't on the crossing when the vehicle moved off. It's in the highway code. Poor awareness from both the driver and Jeremy. 

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HoarseMann replied to cycle92 | 1 year ago
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Agree. Whilst the highway code rule H2 now says you 'should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross', it's not illegal to continue over the crossing.

I think there's a danger here that you can take rule H2 too literally. I think those pedestrians were actually holding back for Jeremy and the van to get over the crossing. The new rules don't mean pedestrians are no longer allowed to be courteous and let a cyclist/vehicle cross when they technically could have just continued walking.

I haven't done much cycling in London, but here I would have stayed behind the van, if I was to filter in this situation, I would have just kept going and got out of the way of the van (it would have been safer for the pedestrians than encouraging them to cross).

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cycle92 replied to HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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To add, the pedestrian's comment was a bit exaggerated and that's the headline here. 🙄

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Steve K replied to cycle92 | 1 year ago
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Yep, agree with all that.  But the point about attitudes - comments on the cyclist, ignores the terrible driving - still stands.

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cycle92 replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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To be fair to the driver in this case, before Jeremy had pulled up, he had already let people past. The pedestrians Jeremy waved on weren't even on the crossing when the van moved off. However, I think the driver should of held still until Jeremy rode on. Jeremy put himself in a poor position and he shouldn't have been there in the first place. If Jeremy didn't put himself in that position and wave the pedestrians onwards, the driver would have been fine. I'm surprised he posted the footage and can't see that he actually created the event. 

 

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JustTryingToGet... replied to cycle92 | 1 year ago
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cycle92 wrote:

To be fair to the driver in this case, before Jeremy had pulled up, he had already let people past. The pedestrians Jeremy waved on weren't even on the crossing when the van moved off. However, I think the driver should of held still until Jeremy rode on. Jeremy put himself in a poor position and he shouldn't have been there in the first place. If Jeremy didn't put himself in that position and wave the pedestrians onwards, the driver would have been fine. I'm surprised he posted the footage and can't see that he actually created the event. 

 

I didn't realise you capped out the number of pedestrians you waited for. I must be unnecessarily courteous as a driver.

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cycle92 replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 1 year ago
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JustTryingToGetFromAtoB wrote:
cycle92 wrote:

To be fair to the driver in this case, before Jeremy had pulled up, he had already let people past. The pedestrians Jeremy waved on weren't even on the crossing when the van moved off. However, I think the driver should of held still until Jeremy rode on. Jeremy put himself in a poor position and he shouldn't have been there in the first place. If Jeremy didn't put himself in that position and wave the pedestrians onwards, the driver would have been fine. I'm surprised he posted the footage and can't see that he actually created the event. 

I didn't realise you capped out the number of pedestrians you waited for. I must be unnecessarily courteous as a driver.

Look at the photo I attached again and read the highway code. The pedestrians weren't even close to the crossing when the driver moved off.

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JustTryingToGet... replied to cycle92 | 1 year ago
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cycle92 wrote:

JustTryingToGetFromAtoB wrote:
cycle92 wrote:

To be fair to the driver in this case, before Jeremy had pulled up, he had already let people past. The pedestrians Jeremy waved on weren't even on the crossing when the van moved off. However, I think the driver should of held still until Jeremy rode on. Jeremy put himself in a poor position and he shouldn't have been there in the first place. If Jeremy didn't put himself in that position and wave the pedestrians onwards, the driver would have been fine. I'm surprised he posted the footage and can't see that he actually created the event. 

I didn't realise you capped out the number of pedestrians you waited for. I must be unnecessarily courteous as a driver.

Look at the photo I attached again and read the highway code. The pedestrians weren't even close to the crossing when the driver moved off.

Granted the weren't standing on the kerb... I wouldn't stand on the kerb to cross a road either. But they were standing and waiting to cross the zebra crossing when the vehicle moved off.

Sure you can drive off if they haven't set foot on the crossing and be in line with the highway code. But I would call that discourteous.

Your man here though moves off then slams on the brakes to park on the crossing. That is driving like an arse.

And the point is, driving like an arse is so utterly ingrained, that a numpty can walk round a car parked on a zebra crossing whilst slagging off a cyclists to a cyclist that face way.

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cycle92 replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 1 year ago
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Personally, I think the driver spotted the pedestrians starting to walk towards him but they weren't looking at where they were going, they were focused on Jeremy. So he panicked and stopped. To be fair, this wouldn't even be an event if Jeremy had not filtered poorly and broken the highway code himself.

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JustTryingToGet... replied to cycle92 | 1 year ago
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cycle92 wrote:

Personally, I think the driver spotted the pedestrians starting to walk towards him but they weren't looking at where they were going, they were focused on Jeremy. So he panicked and stopped. To be fair, this wouldn't even be an event if Jeremy had not filtered poorly and broken the highway code himself.

So a cyclist made the driver drive like an arse? Interesting conclusion.

Personally I'm hoping the driver takes a bit more responsibility for their own actions and will reflect on how they can not drive like an arse in future.

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cycle92 replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 1 year ago
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Take Jeremy out of the picture, would this have happened? 

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JustTryingToGet... replied to cycle92 | 1 year ago
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cycle92 wrote:

Take Jeremy out of the picture, would this have happened? 

Who knows, probably. It happens all the time. The driver doesn't know what's going on and the pedestrians are so used to it they don't react.

You do seem at great lengths to make excuses for a driver driving like an arse it's quite odd.

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cycle92 replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 1 year ago
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I prefer to look at the facts of the situation instead of whatever this is: 

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Who knows, probably. It happens all the time. The driver does not know what's going on and the pedestrians are so used to it they don't react.

All parties were at fault in my eyes but it wouldn't have started without the actions from Jeremy which involved breaking the highway code. 

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