“Unusual for a cyclist”: Pedestrian aims dig at Jeremy Vine – just as motorist drives onto zebra crossing; Race official drives into Giulio Ciccone during post-race interview; Paint is not protection, pro cycling style + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
High winds force organisers to shorten Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico stages
After yesterday’s safety debacle, the organisers of both Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico have been forced to shorten today’s stages due to the threat of high winds.
At Tirreno, that means that the potentially race-defining summit finish at Sarnano-Sassotetto will be cut by 2.5km due to the windy conditions at the Apennine ski station – reducing the final climb’s length from 13.2km to 10.7km as a result (though, with the mountain’s harshest gradients coming at the halfway mark, the reduction shouldn’t have a major outcome on the result).
The final climb at Tirreno today has been shortened due to extreme wind. This is the new final #TirrenoAdriatico https://t.co/uQFoO0GKFm
— Katy M (@writebikerepeat) March 10, 2023
“Due to the weather conditions of strong wind on the top of the mountain, RCS Sport, the race organisation, has decided to anticipate the finish line compared to the previously planned one, in order to ensure the greatest safety of the race and all its actors,” Tirreno’s organisers announced this morning.
Meanwhile, at Paris-Nice the Race to the Sun will briefly become the race to the bus, with the wind causing today’s hilly stage to La Colle-sur-Loup to be reduced by 118km to just 80km.
According to reports, the bunch will do a lap for the fans around the scheduled start town of Tourves before jumping in their team vehicles to head to La Fontaine d’Aragon, where ASO hopes the more sheltered landscape and the forecast for less imposing gusts will allow the race to carry on.
Fingers crossed we get to see some racing today. Though I suppose it could be worse…
Paris-Nice 1956 pic.twitter.com/JeJyfLxkS3
— Perdants magnifiques (@TousPoulidor) March 10, 2023
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Doesn’t sound too promising, does it?
As always in these situations, all sorts of rumours pinging between teams & riders at Paris-Nice – including of fallen trees blocking the road on the finishing circuit & the police not wanting race to pass. For now, though, stage is shortened not cancelled.
— Daniel Friebe (@friebos) March 10, 2023
Despite the ominous rumours, the riders are now all in their team buses on the way to the modified start in La Fontaine d’Aragon – we’ll keep you informed if there are any more changes to what is currently the ‘Race From The Wind’…
🇫🇷 #ParisNice
Yes it was windy at the presentation already @ParisNice 💨
Boys are back in the bus and we’re off to La Fontaine d’Aragon for the start of the shortened stage. pic.twitter.com/0YgljqXIsq— BORA – hansgrohe (@BORAhansgrohe) March 10, 2023
‘You crashed your car? Just leave it in the cycle lane, I’m sure it’ll be grand’
Crashed car has been abandoned and is completely blocking A38 Cycle Lane in Edgbaston. No police or police cordon. @WMPolice @A38Cycleway pic.twitter.com/peZnLqcNyY
— Adam Deedman (@ADeedman) March 8, 2023
Today’s crashy edition of ‘Why don’t cyclists use the cycle lanes?’, brought to you from Birmingham, raises an important, if extremely simple, question: Would the broken car have been dealt with quicker if it was strewn across any of the other lanes?
The good people of Twitter seem to think so:
Small car. Four blokes. Bump it into the road. It’ll soon be removed.
— StevieG (@StephenGibert) March 9, 2023
But it’s not on the road where it might inconvenience drivers of course
— Proprietor of Cycles for Cake (@girlonabrompton) March 9, 2023
30 minutes max.
— Macc Active Traveller (@lkchdschh) March 9, 2023
Get a couple of lads to move that into the road and the police will soon deal with it I’m sure.
— Abraham LinkedIn 🎩 (@ukgaragefan) March 9, 2023
They’d probably push it back into the bike lane.
— Peter Brommer (@pbro48) March 9, 2023
Thankfully, locals have reported that the car has now been removed and temporary cycleway lights installed to replace the broken ones.
Just in time, I reckon, because if the car had spent any longer in the cycle lane, the Daily Mail would certainly now be shouting at it to wear some PPE…
Put some hi-viz and a helmet on it please.
— Rich K (@earskirby) March 9, 2023
Paris-Nice stage six cancelled due to “exceptionally violent” winds
❌ Stage 6 of Paris-Nice has ultimately been cancelled because of strong winds & damages on the course.#ParisNice pic.twitter.com/PNv5IBz5Is
— Intermarché-Circus-Wanty (@IntermarcheCW) March 10, 2023
It’s a case of Mistral Stopped Play at Paris-Nice today as, despite the organisers’ attempts to shorten the stage and move it away from the windiest parts of the course, stage six of the Race to the Sun to La Colle-sur-Loup has been cancelled thanks to the adverse weather conditions in the Alpes-Maritimes.
The cancellation, made as the riders headed to a new hastily arranged start 120km down the road, comes as no surprise, with rumours of fallen trees and worried police on the finishing circuit making the decision to call the stage off on safety grounds a no-brainer.
Well, at least it won’t take you too long to digest this evening’s highlights package before Gogglebox starts:
Exclusive highlights of Paris-Nice stage 6 – one for the ages. pic.twitter.com/GYtakKVP8P
— Daniel Friebe (@friebos) March 10, 2023
Another one bites the dust (or snow): Drentse Acht van Westerveld also cancelled due to wintery conditions
🚨 RACE C A.NCelled 🚨
As you can see and read, we’re having quite a. Bit of weather here ar #Drentse8 ❄️ #HumanPoweredHealth pic.twitter.com/DxCCp7RP76
— Human Powered Health Cycling (@hphcycling) March 10, 2023
It seems that no matter where you are in Europe, today is just not a day for bike racing…
Around the same time as ASO were pulling the plug on stage six of Paris-Nice, up in the Netherlands the organisers of the Drentse Acht van Westerveld decided, rather wisely, that enough was enough after two very snowy laps of the short finishing circuit around Dwingeloo.
Solid bike throw from Uneken, miles ahead of the other riders on the finish line 😅#Drentse8 https://t.co/fAnZhBS2E9
— Mathew Mitchell (@MatMitchell30) March 10, 2023
While I’m sure most of the peloton were just happy to get near a radiator, EF Education’s winter wunderkind Zoe Bäckstedt may be wondering what all the fuss is about.
Definitely not shorts weather @AriFidanza @LinTeutenberg 🫣🥶
Time for a hot shower and to get the feeling back in… everything ☃️#Drentse8 pic.twitter.com/i6oRgW8Hfn
— CERATIZIT – WNT Pro Cycling (@ceratizit_wnt) March 10, 2023
Then again, looking at those images, maybe not…
Just when you thought your commute couldn’t get any colder or wetter…
Aaaaaaaaaaaargh!!! As if I wasn’t cold and wet enough ffs. pic.twitter.com/iKXdjo2f8D
— Righttobikeit❤️Ukraine (@righttobikeit) March 9, 2023
Secretly loving it🤣🤣
— Righttobikeit❤️Ukraine (@righttobikeit) March 9, 2023
The only opinion on the Paris-Nice stage cancellation you’ll need to hear
Can’t believe they’re having a rest day during the Paris to Nice Race In The Sun. It’s only a week long!! Can’t imagine the tough riders from the old days like Sir Wiggins and Sir Froome needing a day off in such a short race!!
— UK Cycling Expert (@ukcyclingexpert) March 10, 2023
Trees have been blown over at the Paris-Nice, apparently. Surely the cyclers could put on their windproofed onesies and hop over the tree trunks like Art Won Nowt and Tom Peacock do in the outdoor cross-country cycling?
— UK Cycling Expert (@ukcyclingexpert) March 10, 2023
Oh, UK Cycling Expert, how we’ve missed you…
Rémy Rochas vs The Wind (Spoiler: the wind’s winning)
They weren’t lying when they said it was a tad gusty near the finish of today’s Tirreno-Adriatico stage to Sassotetto, as poor Rémy Rochas of Cofidis can attest:
Rémy vs wind #TirrenoAdriatico pic.twitter.com/uCfO0ZNtWN
— Eemeli (@LosBrolin) March 10, 2023
That’s genuinely my worst nightmare on a bike. Give me rain, hills, terrible road surfaces – anything but strong winds. Awful stuff…
Primož Roglič comes from nowhere to win mountain top sprint and take leader’s jersey at Tirreno-Adriatico
Inside podium ceremony – and Rogla warns everybody off – champagne shower coming!!! 😂🥳 #TirrenoAdriatico2023 pic.twitter.com/p3CfcmOlK7
— Cycling_Eve (@CyclingEve) March 10, 2023
If we’ve learnt anything in pro cycling over the last six years or so, it’s to never write off Primož Roglič.
On the final, truncated climb of stage five of Tirreno-Adriatico to Sarnano Sassotetto this afternoon, the Slovenian lurked near the back of the slowly dwindling front group, sheltering from the strong winds that had buffeted the bunch all day and forced the organisers to move the finish 2.5km down the mountain.
Roglič aint looking too fabulous*
*This will come back to bite me in 30 seconds…#TirrenoAdriatico
— Will Newton (@InsidePeloton96) March 10, 2023
In fact, hiding was the modus operandi for most of the peloton on the headwind-affected climb, with only Bahrain-Victorious’ Giro podium placing veteran Damiano Caruso daring to venture off the front with just under five kilometres left.
(Hmmm… Roglič and Jumbo-Visma haven’t reacted. Maybe he’s suffering? It is his first race back after all.)
For a long time, it looked like the waiting game (thanks, Sean) played by the GC contenders was destined to work in the Italian’s favour – but a late surge by Enric Mas and Giulio Ciccone (who showed no ill effects from his bizarre collision with a distracted car-driving race official after yesterday’s stage) ultimately snuffed out Caruso’s chances in the final kilometre.
(And still, everyone’s favourite former ski jumper is nowhere to be seen.)
Meanwhile, as Tom Pidcock dropped off the back as the attacks started to fly, EF’s Hugh Carthy looked sprightly, before another Brit, the Ineos Grenadiers’ Giro winner Tao Geoghegan Hart, launched the sprint from a still sizeable front group.
(Nope, still can’t see him.)
The Londoner was forced to settle for third, however, after being passed first by the strong Ciccone, before finally, finally, finally, Roglič – whose newly shaven legs had barely felt the considerably wind all day – once again proved that his timing is immaculate, making it two-from-two at Tirreno and inheriting Lennard Kämna’s blue leader’s jersey in the process.
🏅🇸🇮Primoz Roglic (Jumbo-Visma) gana la Etapa 5 de la Tirreno-Adriático 2023 🇮🇹 #TirrenoAdriatico #TirrenoAdriatico2023 #Noticiclismo #Ciclismo pic.twitter.com/CVVCjfCYbP
— NotiCiclismo ➡ 🇮🇹 #TirrenoAdriatico (@Noticiclismo1) March 10, 2023
That man knows how to bite back. What a finish.#TirrenoAdriatico https://t.co/Dz6QPh6S8Z
— Will Newton (@InsidePeloton96) March 10, 2023
Now pay attention kids – that’s how you race when it’s windy.
Is everyday cycling infrastructure making pro road racing more dangerous?
Following this morning’s blog story on the pro rider-led backlash after the Paris-Nice peloton was forced to negotiate a roundabout which included a potentially hazardous piece of cycling infra, road.cc reader readingbiker had some interesting observations on the relationship between everyday cycling and pro racing safety:
The point that I think *needs* to be stressed is that it’s not the infra itself that should be the issue, it’s how the races are planned and signalled to riders. Feels like there should have been clear barriers and marshals for the Paris-Nice route to block off the bit of infra that is highlighted.
As for Tirreno, ditto with clear marshalling and potentially barriering off that route or taking them the long way round the roundabout and barriering off the dangerous short way round.
Course design has come in for a lot of criticism, particularly when it comes to the finishing 5km where the speeds really get up, and clearly organisers have got a long way to go. Pinch points are and should continue to be a part of what makes racing exciting as riders jockey for position, but surely there are ways to make sure that’s safe too!
What do you think? Have race organisers and governing bodies been slow to adapt to the changing character of towns and cities in recent years?
Paint is not protection, pro cycling style
Giulio Ciccone’s collision with a distracted race official proved a fitting end to an ignominious day for rider safety at two of the biggest week-long stage races on the planet.
Earlier at Tirreno-Adriatico, as we noted on yesterday’s live blog, the peloton was forced to negotiate a junction seemingly straight out of a particularly gruelling Mario Kart course…
Um this is an INSANELY dangerous road furniture situation – spot the course official hiding at the end… 😬#TirrenoAdriatico pic.twitter.com/3UsLlG5iPK
— Katy M (@writebikerepeat) March 9, 2023
And later that afternoon at Paris-Nice, as the riders entered the final kilometre in Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux, a spot of (admittedly very brief) segregated cycling infrastructure at the exit of a roundabout added a rather unnecessary layer of sketchiness and terror to the usual drama of a bunch sprint.
900 meters from the finish line.
Cycling is one of the worst sports bad for the safety of riders and spectators. 😡 https://t.co/gwhQhmqmZF
— Florian Senechal-Staelens (@flosenech) March 9, 2023
As Astana’s Joe Dombrowski and several others noted on Twitter, Paris-Nice’s perilous roundabout proved a telling indicator of the disparity between the increasing range of road safety measures being put in place for everyday cyclists and the safety needs of the pro peloton.
Is safe cycling infra making road racing more dangerous?
You’re absolutely right Brian, but bearing in mind the traffic calming measures and bike lanes that all French towns and cities are putting the only realistic way to avoid situations would be to finish in the countryside
— Peter Cossins (@petercossins) March 9, 2023
Ironically all the infrastructure to make cycling safer in cities, makes it more dangerous for us ..
— Joe Dombrowski (@JoeDombro) March 9, 2023
Nevertheless, the pitiful lack of warning given by the race organisers during yesterday’s finale did at least emphasise one common ground shared by commuters and pros alike: that paint is not protection:
But it has paint.
— Thomas De Gendt (@DeGendtThomas) March 9, 2023
Everything under control, it’s even coloured in pink, we’re used to this!! Right @cpacycling ?
— Alessandro De Marchi (@ADM_RossodiBuja) March 9, 2023
Race official drives into Giulio Ciccone – as Trek-Segafredo rider was being interviewed by press after Tirreno-Adriatico stage
It just goes to show, you can wear a helmet and brightly-coloured clothing, and even be one of your country’s finest pro bike racers, standing in one spot, conducting an interview with journalists in the finish area of a top-tier international race, and distracted motorists will still find a way of hitting you…
— Cycling out of context (@OutOfCycling) March 9, 2023
Trek-Segafredo’s three-time Giro d’Italia stage winner and former Tour de France yellow jersey wearer Giulio Ciccone, who was speaking to the press after moving into the top ten on GC at Tirreno-Adriatico yesterday, had a few choice words (in Italian) for the race official who shunted him and his bike.
And so did the rest of the internet:
It’s only a pro bike rider.. what is up with our sport!…idiots!!! https://t.co/2QVHhwXxed
— Brian Smith 𝕆𝕃𝕐 (@BriSmithy) March 9, 2023
Car brain is not switched off.
— CyclingVsDepression🇺🇦 (@CyclingDepri) March 10, 2023
Wasn’t wearing hi viz or have any lights on,own fault…..
— ian2wheels (@Ian2Wheels) March 10, 2023
Fortunately Giulio is fine ! But the driver ???😡😡😡what was he looking at ?
— Damiano Cunego (@DCunego) March 9, 2023
However, while former Giro winner Damiano Cunego remarked that Ciccone was “fine”, Bici.PRO reported this morning that the collision caused the Italian climber’s handlebars to hit his knee, causing pain and reported swelling.
The 28-year-old, however, is expected to take to the start of today’s crucial Tirreno stage in Morro d’Oro.
Motorists, eh?
Passive aggressive compliments and waves of death: Readers react to Jeremy Vine’s latest clip
Cycling broadcaster Jezza Vine’s latest clip from his London commute has certainly fired up everyone in the comments section. Here’s a selection of what some of you were saying, from ingrained anti-cycling attitudes to zebra crossing etiquette:
Rendel Harris: “Those sort of passive aggressive ‘compliments’ are extremely tiresome. I had a recent example in The Mall when I stopped at the red light halfway down because I wasn’t sure whether the road had been reopened to traffic or not after the Horse Guards had ridden through.
“A policeman on the corner said, ‘Go on, you can ride through’. I thanked him and then he said, ‘Cyclists usually ignore red lights, why stop now?’ – indicative of an almost psychopathic desire to get an insult in somewhere, oh, you haven’t done anything wrong I can have a go at you about, I’ll have a go at cyclists in general instead then.”
Quite the irony. Couldn’t illustrate it better if you were to design the situation… https://t.co/rj1UQG2rR7
— Uppsala Cyclist (@UppsalaCyclist) March 10, 2023
Cycle92: “It might just be me, but I wouldn’t have bothered filtering here as he’s turning left and the space and view are limited. Too much of tight squeeze looking at Jeremy wobble through.
“Waving the pedestrians on is a big no for me as well. They need to make the decision to cross, not the people already on the highway. They weren’t on the crossing when the vehicle moved off. It’s in the Highway Code. Poor awareness from both the driver and Jeremy.”
HoarseMann: “The ‘wave of death’ perfectly executed by Jeremy there. I make a point of almost never waving pedestrians across the road.
“Whilst the Highway Code rule H2 now says you ‘should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross’, it’s not illegal to continue over the crossing.
“I think there’s a danger here that you can take rule H2 too literally. I think those pedestrians were actually holding back for Jeremy and the van to get over the crossing. The new rules don’t mean pedestrians are no longer allowed to be courteous and let a cyclist/vehicle cross when they technically could have just continued walking.
“I haven’t done much cycling in London, but here I would have stayed behind the van. If I were to filter in this situation, I would have just kept going and got out of the way of the van (it would have been safer for the pedestrians rather than encouraging them to cross).”
Car Delenda Est: “Don’t wave someone across, it implies they’re wasting everyone’s precious time and can hurry them into an unsafe situation.
“Just acknowledge them with a nod and if you’re feeling impatient just walk through the crossing.”
SteveK: “Yep, agree with all that. But the point about attitudes – comments on the cyclist, ignores the terrible driving – still stands.”
“Unusual for a cyclist”: Pedestrian aims dig at Jeremy Vine – just as motorist drives onto zebra crossing
Ah, one last Jeremy Vine video this week wouldn’t hurt, would it? Come on, let me off with this one, it’s Friday…
@JonnyBadcockPag new Jeremy video dropped 🔥
— Lee Eaton (@lee_eaton10) March 9, 2023
Anyway, the latest snazzily-annotated commuting clip from the meme merchant and Mad Max impersonator (sorry, presenter-broadcaster) highlights how some people just can’t resist a dig at cyclists – even when drivers are putting them in danger.
How people see cyclists, part 41. pic.twitter.com/O2GUmmvoO4
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) March 9, 2023
In the video, titled ‘How people see cyclists, part 41’ (I swear he’s getting his ideas from the live blog), Jeremy stops at a zebra crossing before waving at two pedestrians to cross.
So, how does one of the pedestrians react?
Well, he turns to Vine, waves back, and remarks, “Unusual for a cyclist”… before making his way around the motorist abruptly stopped bang in the middle of the zebra crossing.
He says while the van sets off 🤦🏻
— NeilV74 (@Neil_A_V74) March 9, 2023
Normalized behaviour for the motor vehicle.
— Julian Mason (@julesmason27) March 9, 2023
Actually, what he’s REALLY saving is that it’s par for the course that cars drive onto the zebra crossing when peds are about to cross or crossing, and that’s why he didn’t bother to comment on it …
— ExitStrata (@ExitStrata) March 9, 2023
I think what is most scary is that he thinks it’s normal for a car to not stop correctly at the crossing. Just goes to prove how many drivers don’t use them properly.
— Kerensa (@Kerensa_74) March 10, 2023
“He is completely blind to the danger posed by the metal lump beside me,” Vine wrote in his video.
“That’s how it works on Planet Petrol.”
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Hey, but their wool blend cycling adjacent t-shirts are/were fantastic.
@Surreyrider Still the boss. Ride one, you'll see why
@Smoggysteve "Most would happily ride on the roads and be treated with respect by drivers". But people aren't - and as far as I can see they won't be. Not until there is a lot less driving and it's slower around cyclists, and far more people driving have "skin in the game" eg. they sometimes cycle and their friends and family do also. That's what leads to the model - which is perhaps most advanced in NL - where cycling, walking and driving are all seen as separate normal transport modes. Their needs, vulnerabilities and any dangers to others are considered. And *that* leads to "mix / share when possible, separate when necessary". But "possible" is "where your 10-year old would be safe to cycle unsupervised" - so very few motor vehicles, going slow! And AFAICS everybody - even "existing cyclists" - is happy with the result. (I dunno about a few pro cyclists - but don't they tend to have training camps in different counties anyway?)
@quiff as an Edinburgh resident I can confidently say he's speaking without moving his lips in one sense: - while as I noted in a separate comment there *is* now some real separated cycle infra, all the examples i can think of have *at least as much space* for pedestrians. The rest of the "cycle infra" is essentially similar to the situation in the rest of the UK: eg. bus lanes*, cycle lanes and shared use paths (eg. "build" infra by sticking up a sign). Edinburgh is one of the places with a moderately extensive network of former railways which have been converted to "shared use" paths (completely motor traffic few). However though shared they are not narrow by UK standards. And this is all effectively a "free extra" for all non- motorised users, not like the "sign a cycle path" where pedestrians do lose space. I think this all comes from the "popular understanding" of cycling in which ultimately cyclists are the "other". They don't fit "motor vehicle" or "pedestrian" (including wheelchairs on the very rare occasions people think about that). Thus "cyclists are cheating" in multiple ways! They shouldn't get their own space as "there aren't enough" of them. And "they can just use the road / path". But being able to *choose* "on the road" or "on the footway" (shared use path) is clearly unfair - nobody else gets to do that! BUT of course even if they did pick just one of road OR pedestrian space it's still not fair anyway because they're "too slow" for the road (don't pay "road tax" etc...) and "far too fast" for pedestrians... * Though some existing cyclists may appreciate them when there are few buses, buses and bikes are a very poor mix for several reasons.
Whilst a shame for any employees, their bib shorts had the worst chamois pad I’d ever encountered, utter waste of my money. Even though they were Strava challenge discount purchases, still a waste of money.
Thanks, just going to have to suck it up. Got next week off and will take the easy, if expensive option...
@ktache Just go for the TNT Sports only package, £30.99 for a month. Alternatively have you considered experimenting with a VPN for a few pounds, allowing you to sign up for a free stream abroad, e.g. SBS Australia which streams the Tour live? If I didn't have a kind mate's login that's what I'd do!
So, it's now the month of July and I'm going to have to pay to watch the TdF, for one month only. On a tablet unfortunately, as I didn't manage to get a laptop to rig up to the TV, grrr. Just wondering, what package will I have to fork out for? Not wanting to pay for the wrong one...
Not that it sounds like a dealbreaker given the other faults you've identified, but that cable isn't really a "proprietary" cable, four pin magnetic cables like that are quite common on bone-conducting headphones and other devices (my inexpensive smartwatch uses one) and they can be had for £4.99 on UK Amazon.
47 thoughts on ““Unusual for a cyclist”: Pedestrian aims dig at Jeremy Vine – just as motorist drives onto zebra crossing; Race official drives into Giulio Ciccone during post-race interview; Paint is not protection, pro cycling style + more on the live blog”
The ‘wave of death’ perfectly
The ‘wave of death’ perfectly executed by Jeremy there, I make a point of almost never waving pedestrians across the road.
I wouldn’t have filtered up the inside of that van either. It was clearly going to turn left (actually think the left indicator was on and it’s positioned to the left on a one-way street) and that’s not a position to put yourself in.
HoarseMann wrote:
Agree, you can make eye contact and make clear you are giving way but you can’t assure the pedestrian everyone will give way. In a car and on a bike.
Driver was an arse though.
Have lost count the number of
Have lost count the number of times I’ve stopped for a crossing or lights and a motorist goes bombing through. I just give a resigned shrug of the shoulders.
I’ve stopped for a crossing
I’ve stopped for a crossing or lights and a motorist goes bombing through
https://upride.cc/incident/fd67nej_bmw420_redlightcross/
Usual suspects!
The driver turns his left
The driver turns his left indicator on and edges forward as soon as he sees Jeremy filtering. “I was here first!” reaction. Difficult for me to say exactly what the correct procedure is here, except that the driver should have been indicating already. But, even so, what exactly should happen around the corner, and what is actually most likely?
Neil MG wrote:
If only the highway code had been changed to make it expressly clear that a) their is a hierarchy of road users and people in the lethal metal boxes have to give priority to people not in big metal boxes; and b) specifically that if people in big metal boxes are cutting across the paths of people not in big metal boxes they have to give way!
If they had done that to the Highway Code in January 2022 it would be very easy for you to very correctly conclude that HoarseMann shouldn’t be allowed behind the wheel of a big metal box!
Carior wrote:
Except you’ve misinterpreted the Highway Code updates:
Your point ‘a)’ is rule H1, which doesn’t give priority to people not in big metal boxes, it just places more responsibility on those who pose the greatest danger to others. It’s not a licence for a more vulnerable road user to demand priority!
Your point ‘b)’ is rule H3, which only covers cutting across cyclists who are going ahead when the motorist is turning. In this case, both the cyclist and the motorist were turning.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/introduction
Added to that, the Jan ’22
Added to that, the Jan ’22 updates also added guidance for cyclists at junctions to “Position yourself in the centre of your chosen lane, where you feel able to do this safely, to make yourself as visible as possible and to avoid being overtaken where this would be dangerous.” (Rule 73). Don’t think I would have filtered here either.
I dont think the indicator
I dont think the indicator appears till Vine is up by the front of the van/minibus thing,where the driver spots him, which ironically might be what caused the driver to then miss the pedestrian, as they’ve probably panicked thinking oh no a cyclist I cant turn left with you there must get in front and take the corner first. Probably a good lesson why filtering isnt always a good idea in those situations and I’d never wave anyone to cross in situations where I’m not solely in control of their safety to cross.
As for the pedestrian reaction, that’s normal I’m afraid and remember this is London there arent that many cyclists sad to say who would stop.
But even outside London the reaction can be the same, frequently I’ll stop at crossings for pedestrians, cars will barrel on through on some occasions yet it’s you the cyclist who gets shouted at or treated like any second you’re going to suddenly set off again and murder them.
Yah don’t wave someone across
Yah don’t wave someone across, it implies they’re wasting everyone’s precious time and can hurry them into an unsafe situation.
Just acknowledge them with a nod and if you’re feeling impatient just walk through the crossing.
Agreed, there was no need to
Agreed, there was no need to try to filter up the inside when it was already tight. I don’t think the van had indicated left until Jerey was alongside, though that wouldn’t have made any difference if he had just waited behind.
If he had waited behind until the van moved forward, it would have opened up the space to filter up the left if the van was turning right, or avoid any risk if it then turned left.
HoarseMann wrote:
— HoarseMannI agree. Even if the indicator wasn’t on as JV approached I would not want to filter up the inside with so little space – there’s a real possibility of getting squeezed, or maybe even doored by a passenger.
There are also the peds to watch for (crossing from both directions), and that’s before you consider any traffic on the road you’re joining. Too many things to look out for means a much greater chance of missing something/someone. Not a great example
Meanwhile Ashley Neal continues to treat cyclists as an out-group, conveniently forgetting that most of us drive as well:
Based on recent clips, one could be forgiven for thinking that he may be turning into a bit of an anti-cyclist wanker.
Don’t forget that very often
Don’t forget that very often a pedestrian is just a driver who found a parking.
Those sort of passive
Those sort of passive aggressive “compliments” are extremely tiresome. I had a recent example in The Mall when I stopped at the red light halfway down because I wasn’t sure whether the road had been reopened to traffic or not after the Horseguards had ridden through. A policeman on the corner said, “Go on, you can ride through,” I thanked him and then he said, “Cyclists usually ignore red lights, why stop now?” Indicative of an almost psychopathic desire to get an insult in somewhere, oh, you haven’t done anything wrong I can have a go at you about, I’ll have a go at cyclists in general instead then.
The pedestrian is probably a
The pedestrian is probably a Daily Hate reader or perhaps has poor sight and didn’t see the motor vehicle actually rolling onto the pedestrian crossing.
Interesting point on everyday
Interesting point on everyday infra vs pro racing in terms of safety.
The point that I think *needs* to be stressed is that it’s not the infra itself that should be the issue, it’s how the races are planned and signalled to riders. Feels like there should have been clear barriers and marshalls for the Paris-Nice route to block off the bit of infra that is highlighted.
As for Tirreno, ditto with clear marshalling and potentially barriering off that route or taking them the long way round the roundabout and barriering off the dangerous short way round.
Course design has come in for a lot of criticism, particularly when it comes to the finishing 5km where the speeds really get up, and clearly organisers have got a long way to go. Pinch points are and should continue to be a part of what makes racing exciting as riders jockey for position, but surely there are ways to make sure that’s safe too!
Jeremy Vine – less meme more
Jeremy Vine – less meme more MeMeMe.
It might just be me but I
It might just be me but I wouldn’t have bothered filtering here as he’s turning left and the space and view are limited. Too much of tight sqeeze looking at Jeremy wobble through. Waving the pedestrians on is a big no for me as well. They need to make the decision to cross not the people already on the highway. They weren’t on the crossing when the vehicle moved off. It’s in the highway code. Poor awareness from both the driver and Jeremy.
Agree. Whilst the highway
Agree. Whilst the highway code rule H2 now says you ‘should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross’, it’s not illegal to continue over the crossing.
I think there’s a danger here that you can take rule H2 too literally. I think those pedestrians were actually holding back for Jeremy and the van to get over the crossing. The new rules don’t mean pedestrians are no longer allowed to be courteous and let a cyclist/vehicle cross when they technically could have just continued walking.
I haven’t done much cycling in London, but here I would have stayed behind the van, if I was to filter in this situation, I would have just kept going and got out of the way of the van (it would have been safer for the pedestrians than encouraging them to cross).
To add, the pedestrian’s
To add, the pedestrian’s comment was a bit exaggerated and that’s the headline here. ?
Yep, agree with all that.
Yep, agree with all that. But the point about attitudes – comments on the cyclist, ignores the terrible driving – still stands.
To be fair to the driver in
To be fair to the driver in this case, before Jeremy had pulled up, he had already let people past. The pedestrians Jeremy waved on weren’t even on the crossing when the van moved off. However, I think the driver should of held still until Jeremy rode on. Jeremy put himself in a poor position and he shouldn’t have been there in the first place. If Jeremy didn’t put himself in that position and wave the pedestrians onwards, the driver would have been fine. I’m surprised he posted the footage and can’t see that he actually created the event.
cycle92 wrote:
I didn’t realise you capped out the number of pedestrians you waited for. I must be unnecessarily courteous as a driver.
JustTryingToGetFromAtoB wrote
To be fair to the driver in this case, before Jeremy had pulled up, he had already let people past. The pedestrians Jeremy waved on weren’t even on the crossing when the van moved off. However, I think the driver should of held still until Jeremy rode on. Jeremy put himself in a poor position and he shouldn’t have been there in the first place. If Jeremy didn’t put himself in that position and wave the pedestrians onwards, the driver would have been fine. I’m surprised he posted the footage and can’t see that he actually created the event.
— JustTryingToGetFromAtoB I didn’t realise you capped out the number of pedestrians you waited for. I must be unnecessarily courteous as a driver.— cycle92
Look at the photo I attached again and read the highway code. The pedestrians weren’t even close to the crossing when the driver moved off.
cycle92 wrote:
Granted the weren’t standing on the kerb… I wouldn’t stand on the kerb to cross a road either. But they were standing and waiting to cross the zebra crossing when the vehicle moved off.
Sure you can drive off if they haven’t set foot on the crossing and be in line with the highway code. But I would call that discourteous.
Your man here though moves off then slams on the brakes to park on the crossing. That is driving like an arse.
And the point is, driving like an arse is so utterly ingrained, that a numpty can walk round a car parked on a zebra crossing whilst slagging off a cyclists to a cyclist that face way.
Personally, I think the
Personally, I think the driver spotted the pedestrians starting to walk towards him but they weren’t looking at where they were going, they were focused on Jeremy. So he panicked and stopped. To be fair, this wouldn’t even be an event if Jeremy had not filtered poorly and broken the highway code himself.
cycle92 wrote:
So a cyclist made the driver drive like an arse? Interesting conclusion.
Personally I’m hoping the driver takes a bit more responsibility for their own actions and will reflect on how they can not drive like an arse in future.
Take Jeremy out of the
Take Jeremy out of the picture, would this have happened?
cycle92 wrote:
Who knows, probably. It happens all the time. The driver doesn’t know what’s going on and the pedestrians are so used to it they don’t react.
You do seem at great lengths to make excuses for a driver driving like an arse it’s quite odd.
I prefer to look at the facts
I prefer to look at the facts of the situation instead of whatever this is:
All parties were at fault in my eyes but it wouldn’t have started without the actions from Jeremy which involved breaking the highway code.
Can’t see a mention of the
Can’t see a mention of the 380 M cut to active travel
https://mobile.twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1633914481666322432
TrollsandPBUsWelcome wrote:
What?!? Our government going back on promises?
Next you’ll be suggesting that they just make appropriate noises without ever having any intention on trying to cut back on oil use and rampant pollution.
Its easier at a red light
Its easier at a red light when you stop and the driver doesn’t almost mowing down a ped. I can jump in jokingly with “only cyclists jump red lights”.
In case anyone was planning
In case anyone was planning their afternoon around watching Paris-Nice, as I was, unfortunately stage six has been cancelled due to high winds. Tirreno Adriatico still going ahead but with the mountaintop finish moved to some lower slopes.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Completely cancelled now?
I’d seen it had been shortened earlier.
Steve K wrote:
Sadly yes, screenshot from the race website below.
I mentioned on here
I mentioned on here previously that I cycled in London last summer during the tube strikes. Whilst that is the only time I have done so, I do regularly walk around there.
As I mentioned at the time, I was nearly the only one waiting at any kind of junction so I would agree with the pedestrian in JV’s video.
Gimpl wrote:
That seems a low ratio. I used to regularly cycle in London and now infrequently do so. Some junctions are worse than others but I’ve never been Billy no mates at junctions, plenty waiting with me.
I get pissed off with cyclists jumping crossings, but I’m exponentially more pissed off with motorists killing people every single day.
The point of the video though, is the standard to which cyclists are held at and slagged off whilst a shitty motoristbis literally parked on the crossing.
It isn’t even false equivalence because it’s not equivalent. You can drive a ton of metal at someone at that someone will still slag off cyclists.
How dare you not follow the
How dare you not follow the accepted narrative!
I was watching Superman II
I was watching Superman II the other day, quite good and I enjoyed it. I knew Clark Kent was Superman straight away though, those glasses didn’t fool me for a minute. I’m surprised nobody else noticed – when I take my glasses off I look just like me but without glasses. Anyway I went for a bike ride after, just there and back to see how far it was.
perce wrote:
Was it the Richard Donner cut?
perce wrote:
So did I! Having watched Superman I helped a bit, of course.
Ah yes. Me too. And reading
Ah yes. Me too. And reading the comics of course
perce wrote:
you say that, but I played badminton every week at a club and a lady there also worked in my office, when I said hello in the office she blanked me.
turns out she didn’t recognise me without my sport goggles on.
But how are you expected to
But how are you expected to know who Clark Kent is if they keep changing him? Last time I saw him he was the spitting image of a bloke called Witcher. Very confusing.
After seeing the clip from
After seeing the clip from Paris-Nice 1956 I’m now embarrassed to admit I bailed out this morning.
There is a new Bike Blog in
There is a new Bike Blog in today’s Guardian, Peter Walker reviews some bicycle subscription services
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2023/mar/11/pay-per-month-pedalling-test-riding-five-subscription-bikes
And a bit on some ways to perhaps at least delay dementia, getting sweaty is at the top.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/mar/11/dont-forget-to-floss-the-science-behind-dementia-and-the-four-things-you-should-do-to-prevent-it