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“Unusual for a cyclist”: Pedestrian aims dig at Jeremy Vine – just as motorist drives onto zebra crossing; Race official drives into Giulio Ciccone during post-race interview; Paint is not protection, pro cycling style + more on the live blog

It’s Friday (thank goodness) and Ryan Mallon’s back for the last action-packed live blog of the week – when he’s not looking out at the snow…

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10 March 2023, 09:00
“Unusual for a cyclist”: Pedestrian aims dig at Jeremy Vine – just as motorist drives onto zebra crossing

Ah, one last Jeremy Vine video this week wouldn’t hurt, would it? Come on, let me off with this one, it’s Friday…

Anyway, the latest snazzily-annotated commuting clip from the meme merchant and Mad Max impersonator (sorry, presenter-broadcaster) highlights how some people just can’t resist a dig at cyclists – even when drivers are putting them in danger.

In the video, titled ‘How people see cyclists, part 41’ (I swear he’s getting his ideas from the live blog), Jeremy stops at a zebra crossing before waving at two pedestrians to cross.

So, how does one of the pedestrians react?

Well, he turns to Vine, waves back, and remarks, “Unusual for a cyclist”… before making his way around the motorist abruptly stopped bang in the middle of the zebra crossing.

“He is completely blind to the danger posed by the metal lump beside me,” Vine wrote in his video.

“That’s how it works on Planet Petrol.”

10 March 2023, 16:35
Pedestrian aims dig at Jeremy Vine – just as motorist drives onto zebra crossing (credit - Jeremy Vine)
Passive aggressive compliments and waves of death: Readers react to Jeremy Vine’s latest clip

Cycling broadcaster Jezza Vine’s latest clip from his London commute has certainly fired up everyone in the comments section. Here’s a selection of what some of you were saying, from ingrained anti-cycling attitudes to zebra crossing etiquette:

Rendel Harris: “Those sort of passive aggressive ‘compliments’ are extremely tiresome. I had a recent example in The Mall when I stopped at the red light halfway down because I wasn’t sure whether the road had been reopened to traffic or not after the Horse Guards had ridden through.

“A policeman on the corner said, ‘Go on, you can ride through’. I thanked him and then he said, ‘Cyclists usually ignore red lights, why stop now?’ – indicative of an almost psychopathic desire to get an insult in somewhere, oh, you haven't done anything wrong I can have a go at you about, I'll have a go at cyclists in general instead then.”

Cycle92: “It might just be me, but I wouldn’t have bothered filtering here as he’s turning left and the space and view are limited. Too much of tight squeeze looking at Jeremy wobble through.

“Waving the pedestrians on is a big no for me as well. They need to make the decision to cross, not the people already on the highway. They weren’t on the crossing when the vehicle moved off. It’s in the Highway Code. Poor awareness from both the driver and Jeremy.”

HoarseMann: “The ‘wave of death’ perfectly executed by Jeremy there. I make a point of almost never waving pedestrians across the road.

“Whilst the Highway Code rule H2 now says you ‘should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross’, it’s not illegal to continue over the crossing.

“I think there’s a danger here that you can take rule H2 too literally. I think those pedestrians were actually holding back for Jeremy and the van to get over the crossing. The new rules don’t mean pedestrians are no longer allowed to be courteous and let a cyclist/vehicle cross when they technically could have just continued walking.

“I haven’t done much cycling in London, but here I would have stayed behind the van. If I were to filter in this situation, I would have just kept going and got out of the way of the van (it would have been safer for the pedestrians rather than encouraging them to cross).”

Car Delenda Est: “Don’t wave someone across, it implies they’re wasting everyone’s precious time and can hurry them into an unsafe situation.

“Just acknowledge them with a nod and if you’re feeling impatient just walk through the crossing.”

SteveK: “Yep, agree with all that. But the point about attitudes – comments on the cyclist, ignores the terrible driving – still stands.”

10 March 2023, 16:59
It’s the weekend! Get the cycling-related tunes pumping…

That’s it for this week’s live blog – I hope you all have a fun and safe weekend!

10 March 2023, 09:41
Race official drives into Giulio Ciccone – as Trek-Segafredo rider was being interviewed by press after Tirreno-Adriatico stage

It just goes to show, you can wear a helmet and brightly-coloured clothing, and even be one of your country’s finest pro bike racers, standing in one spot, conducting an interview with journalists in the finish area of a top-tier international race, and distracted motorists will still find a way of hitting you…

Trek-Segafredo’s three-time Giro d’Italia stage winner and former Tour de France yellow jersey wearer Giulio Ciccone, who was speaking to the press after moving into the top ten on GC at Tirreno-Adriatico yesterday, had a few choice words (in Italian) for the race official who shunted him and his bike.

And so did the rest of the internet:

However, while former Giro winner Damiano Cunego remarked that Ciccone was “fine”, Bici.PRO reported this morning that the collision caused the Italian climber’s handlebars to hit his knee, causing pain and reported swelling.

The 28-year-old, however, is expected to take to the start of today’s crucial Tirreno stage in Morro d’Oro.

Motorists, eh?

10 March 2023, 10:18
Dangerous final kilometre at Paris-Nice (Brian Smith)
Paint is not protection, pro cycling style

Giulio Ciccone’s collision with a distracted race official proved a fitting end to an ignominious day for rider safety at two of the biggest week-long stage races on the planet.

Earlier at Tirreno-Adriatico, as we noted on yesterday’s live blog, the peloton was forced to negotiate a junction seemingly straight out of a particularly gruelling Mario Kart course…

And later that afternoon at Paris-Nice, as the riders entered the final kilometre in Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux, a spot of (admittedly very brief) segregated cycling infrastructure at the exit of a roundabout added a rather unnecessary layer of sketchiness and terror to the usual drama of a bunch sprint.

As Astana’s Joe Dombrowski and several others noted on Twitter, Paris-Nice’s perilous roundabout proved a telling indicator of the disparity between the increasing range of road safety measures being put in place for everyday cyclists and the safety needs of the pro peloton.

Is safe cycling infra making road racing more dangerous?

Nevertheless, the pitiful lack of warning given by the race organisers during yesterday’s finale did at least emphasise one common ground shared by commuters and pros alike: that paint is not protection:

10 March 2023, 15:57
Dangerous final kilometre at Paris-Nice (Brian Smith)
Is everyday cycling infrastructure making pro road racing more dangerous?

Following this morning’s blog story on the pro rider-led backlash after the Paris-Nice peloton was forced to negotiate a roundabout which included a potentially hazardous piece of cycling infra, road.cc reader readingbiker had some interesting observations on the relationship between everyday cycling and pro racing safety:

The point that I think *needs* to be stressed is that it’s not the infra itself that should be the issue, it’s how the races are planned and signalled to riders. Feels like there should have been clear barriers and marshals for the Paris-Nice route to block off the bit of infra that is highlighted.

As for Tirreno, ditto with clear marshalling and potentially barriering off that route or taking them the long way round the roundabout and barriering off the dangerous short way round.

Course design has come in for a lot of criticism, particularly when it comes to the finishing 5km where the speeds really get up, and clearly organisers have got a long way to go. Pinch points are and should continue to be a part of what makes racing exciting as riders jockey for position, but surely there are ways to make sure that’s safe too!

What do you think? Have race organisers and governing bodies been slow to adapt to the changing character of towns and cities in recent years?

10 March 2023, 15:23
Primož Roglič comes from nowhere to win mountain top sprint and take leader’s jersey at Tirreno-Adriatico

If we’ve learnt anything in pro cycling over the last six years or so, it’s to never write off Primož Roglič.

On the final, truncated climb of stage five of Tirreno-Adriatico to Sarnano Sassotetto this afternoon, the Slovenian lurked near the back of the slowly dwindling front group, sheltering from the strong winds that had buffeted the bunch all day and forced the organisers to move the finish 2.5km down the mountain.

In fact, hiding was the modus operandi for most of the peloton on the headwind-affected climb, with only Bahrain-Victorious’ Giro podium placing veteran Damiano Caruso daring to venture off the front with just under five kilometres left.

(Hmmm… Roglič and Jumbo-Visma haven’t reacted. Maybe he’s suffering? It is his first race back after all.)

For a long time, it looked like the waiting game (thanks, Sean) played by the GC contenders was destined to work in the Italian’s favour – but a late surge by Enric Mas and Giulio Ciccone (who showed no ill effects from his bizarre collision with a distracted car-driving race official after yesterday’s stage) ultimately snuffed out Caruso’s chances in the final kilometre.

(And still, everyone’s favourite former ski jumper is nowhere to be seen.)

Meanwhile, as Tom Pidcock dropped off the back as the attacks started to fly, EF’s Hugh Carthy looked sprightly, before another Brit, the Ineos Grenadiers’ Giro winner Tao Geoghegan Hart, launched the sprint from a still sizeable front group.

(Nope, still can’t see him.)

The Londoner was forced to settle for third, however, after being passed first by the strong Ciccone, before finally, finally, finally, Roglič – whose newly shaven legs had barely felt the considerably wind all day – once again proved that his timing is immaculate, making it two-from-two at Tirreno and inheriting Lennard Kämna’s blue leader’s jersey in the process.

Now pay attention kids – that’s how you race when it’s windy.

10 March 2023, 14:45
Rémy Rochas vs The Wind (Spoiler: the wind’s winning)

They weren’t lying when they said it was a tad gusty near the finish of today’s Tirreno-Adriatico stage to Sassotetto, as poor Rémy Rochas of Cofidis can attest:

That’s genuinely my worst nightmare on a bike. Give me rain, hills, terrible road surfaces – anything but strong winds. Awful stuff…

10 March 2023, 14:08
The only opinion on the Paris-Nice stage cancellation you’ll need to hear

Oh, UK Cycling Expert, how we’ve missed you…

10 March 2023, 13:22
Just when you thought your commute couldn’t get any colder or wetter…
10 March 2023, 12:42
Another one bites the dust (or snow): Drentse Acht van Westerveld also cancelled due to wintery conditions

It seems that no matter where you are in Europe, today is just not a day for bike racing…

Around the same time as ASO were pulling the plug on stage six of Paris-Nice, up in the Netherlands the organisers of the Drentse Acht van Westerveld decided, rather wisely, that enough was enough after two very snowy laps of the short finishing circuit around Dwingeloo.

While I’m sure most of the peloton were just happy to get near a radiator, EF Education’s winter wunderkind Zoe Bäckstedt may be wondering what all the fuss is about.

Then again, looking at those images, maybe not…

10 March 2023, 12:21
Paris-Nice stage six cancelled due to “exceptionally violent” winds

It’s a case of Mistral Stopped Play at Paris-Nice today as, despite the organisers’ attempts to shorten the stage and move it away from the windiest parts of the course, stage six of the Race to the Sun to La Colle-sur-Loup has been cancelled thanks to the adverse weather conditions in the Alpes-Maritimes.

The cancellation, made as the riders headed to a new hastily arranged start 120km down the road, comes as no surprise, with rumours of fallen trees and worried police on the finishing circuit making the decision to call the stage off on safety grounds a no-brainer.

Well, at least it won’t take you too long to digest this evening’s highlights package before Gogglebox starts:

10 March 2023, 11:57
‘You crashed your car? Just leave it in the cycle lane, I’m sure it’ll be grand’

Today’s crashy edition of ‘Why don’t cyclists use the cycle lanes?’, brought to you from Birmingham, raises an important, if extremely simple, question: Would the broken car have been dealt with quicker if it was strewn across any of the other lanes?

The good people of Twitter seem to think so:

Thankfully, locals have reported that the car has now been removed and temporary cycleway lights installed to replace the broken ones.

Just in time, I reckon, because if the car had spent any longer in the cycle lane, the Daily Mail would certainly now be shouting at it to wear some PPE…

10 March 2023, 11:32
Doesn’t sound too promising, does it?

Despite the ominous rumours, the riders are now all in their team buses on the way to the modified start in La Fontaine d’Aragon – we’ll keep you informed if there are any more changes to what is currently the ‘Race From The Wind’…

10 March 2023, 11:14
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10 March 2023, 10:51
High winds force organisers to shorten Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico stages

After yesterday’s safety debacle, the organisers of both Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico have been forced to shorten today’s stages due to the threat of high winds.

At Tirreno, that means that the potentially race-defining summit finish at Sarnano-Sassotetto will be cut by 2.5km due to the windy conditions at the Apennine ski station – reducing the final climb’s length from 13.2km to 10.7km as a result (though, with the mountain’s harshest gradients coming at the halfway mark, the reduction shouldn’t have a major outcome on the result).

“Due to the weather conditions of strong wind on the top of the mountain, RCS Sport, the race organisation, has decided to anticipate the finish line compared to the previously planned one, in order to ensure the greatest safety of the race and all its actors,” Tirreno’s organisers announced this morning.

Meanwhile, at Paris-Nice the Race to the Sun will briefly become the race to the bus, with the wind causing today’s hilly stage to La Colle-sur-Loup to be reduced by 118km to just 80km.

According to reports, the bunch will do a lap for the fans around the scheduled start town of Tourves before jumping in their team vehicles to head to La Fontaine d’Aragon, where ASO hopes the more sheltered landscape and the forecast for less imposing gusts will allow the race to carry on.

Fingers crossed we get to see some racing today. Though I suppose it could be worse…

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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NotNigel | 1 year ago
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Jeremy Vine - less meme more MeMeMe.

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readingbiker | 1 year ago
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Interesting point on everyday infra vs pro racing in terms of safety.

The point that I think *needs* to be stressed is that it's not the infra itself that should be the issue, it's how the races are planned and signalled to riders. Feels like there should have been clear barriers and marshalls for the Paris-Nice route to block off the bit of infra that is highlighted. 

As for Tirreno, ditto with clear marshalling and potentially barriering off that route or taking them the long way round the roundabout and barriering off the dangerous short way round. 

Course design has come in for a lot of criticism, particularly when it comes to the finishing 5km where the speeds really get up, and clearly organisers have got a long way to go. Pinch points are and should continue to be a part of what makes racing exciting as riders jockey for position, but surely there are ways to make sure that's safe too!

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OldRidgeback | 1 year ago
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The pedestrian is probably a Daily Hate reader or perhaps has poor sight and didn't see the motor vehicle actually rolling onto the pedestrian crossing.

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Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Those sort of passive aggressive "compliments" are extremely tiresome. I had a recent example in The Mall when I stopped at the red light halfway down because I wasn't sure whether the road had been reopened to traffic or not after the Horseguards had ridden through. A policeman on the corner said, "Go on, you can ride through," I thanked him and then he said, "Cyclists usually ignore red lights, why stop now?" Indicative of an almost psychopathic desire to get an insult in somewhere, oh, you haven't done anything wrong I can have a go at you about, I'll have a go at cyclists in general instead then.

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OmarCuoreMatto | 1 year ago
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Don't forget that very often a pedestrian is just a driver who found a parking.

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HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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The 'wave of death' perfectly executed by Jeremy there, I make a point of almost never waving pedestrians across the road.

I wouldn't have filtered up the inside of that van either. It was clearly going to turn left (actually think the left indicator was on and it's positioned to the left on a one-way street) and that's not a position to put yourself in.

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JustTryingToGet... replied to HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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HoarseMann wrote:

The 'wave of death' perfectly executed by Jeremy there, I make a point of almost never waving pedestrians across the road.

I wouldn't have filtered up the inside of that van either. It was clearly going to turn left (no right turn sign) and that's not a position to put yourself in.

Agree, you can make eye contact and make clear you are giving way but you can't assure the pedestrian everyone will give way. In a car and on a bike.

Driver was an arse though.

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giff77 replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 1 year ago
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Have lost count the number of times I've stopped for a crossing or lights and a motorist goes bombing through. I just give a resigned shrug of the shoulders. 

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wtjs replied to giff77 | 1 year ago
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I've stopped for a crossing or lights and a motorist goes bombing through

https://upride.cc/incident/fd67nej_bmw420_redlightcross/

Usual suspects!

 

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Neil MG replied to HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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The driver turns his left indicator on and edges forward as soon as he sees Jeremy filtering.  "I was here first!" reaction.  Difficult for me to say exactly what the correct procedure is here, except that the driver should have been indicating already.  But, even so, what exactly should happen around the corner, and what is actually most likely?

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Carior replied to Neil MG | 1 year ago
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Neil MG wrote:

The driver turns his left indicator on and edges forward as soon as he sees Jeremy filtering.  "I was here first!" reaction.  Difficult for me to say exactly what the correct procedure is here, except that the driver should have been indicating already.  

If only the highway code had been changed to make it expressly clear that a) their is a hierarchy of road users and people in the lethal metal boxes have to give priority to people not in big metal boxes; and b) specifically that if people in big metal boxes are cutting across the paths of people not in big metal boxes they have to give way!

If they had done that to the Highway Code in January 2022 it would be very easy for you to very correctly conclude that HoarseMann shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel of a big metal box!

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HoarseMann replied to Carior | 1 year ago
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Carior wrote:

If only the highway code had been changed to make it expressly clear that a) their is a hierarchy of road users and people in the lethal metal boxes have to give priority to people not in big metal boxes; and b) specifically that if people in big metal boxes are cutting across the paths of people not in big metal boxes they have to give way!

Except you've misinterpreted the Highway Code updates:

Your point 'a)' is rule H1, which doesn't give priority to people not in big metal boxes, it just places more responsibility on those who pose the greatest danger to others. It's not a licence for a more vulnerable road user to demand priority!

Your point 'b)' is rule H3, which only covers cutting across cyclists who are going ahead when the motorist is turning. In this case, both the cyclist and the motorist were turning.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/introduction

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quiff replied to HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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Added to that, the Jan '22 updates also added guidance for cyclists at junctions to "Position yourself in the centre of your chosen lane, where you feel able to do this safely, to make yourself as visible as possible and to avoid being overtaken where this would be dangerous." (Rule 73). Don't think I would have filtered here either.  

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Awavey replied to HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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I dont think the indicator appears till Vine is up by the front of the van/minibus thing,where the driver spots him, which ironically might be what caused the driver to then miss the pedestrian, as they've probably panicked thinking oh no a cyclist I cant turn left with you there must get in front and take the corner first. Probably a good lesson why filtering isnt always a good idea in those situations and I'd never wave anyone to cross in situations where I'm not solely in control of their safety to cross.

As for the pedestrian reaction, that's normal I'm afraid and remember this is London there arent that many cyclists sad to say who would stop.

But even outside London the reaction can be the same, frequently I'll stop at crossings for pedestrians, cars will barrel on through on some occasions yet it's you the cyclist who gets shouted at or treated like any second you're going to suddenly set off again and murder them.

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Car Delenda Est replied to HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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Yah don't wave someone across, it implies they're wasting everyone's precious time and can hurry them into an unsafe situation.

Just acknowledge them with a nod and if you're feeling impatient just walk through the crossing.

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saftlad replied to HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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Agreed, there was no need to try to filter up the inside when it was already tight.  I don't think the van had indicated left until Jerey was alongside, though that wouldn't have made any difference if he had just waited behind.

If he had waited behind until the van moved forward, it would have opened up the space to filter up the left if the van was turning right, or avoid any risk if it then turned left.

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Simon E replied to HoarseMann | 1 year ago
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HoarseMann wrote:

I wouldn't have filtered up the inside of that van either.

I agree. Even if the indicator wasn't on as JV approached I would not want to filter up the inside with so little space - there's a real possibility of getting squeezed, or maybe even doored by a passenger.

There are also the peds to watch for (crossing from both directions), and that's before you consider any traffic on the road you're joining. Too many things to look out for means a much greater chance of missing something/someone. Not a great example

Meanwhile Ashley Neal continues to treat cyclists as an out-group, conveniently forgetting that most of us drive as well:

https://twitter.com/anotherJon/status/1633957138455298052

Based on recent clips, one could be forgiven for thinking that he may be turning into a bit of an anti-cyclist wanker.

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