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richmond close pass 2 - july 2020 via Andy Litchfield on twitter (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Shocking close pass caused by ‘magic white line’ cycle lane; New material could lead to ‘indestructible’ bike lock; Cyclists “pollute air with strong body odour”; Quarter of National Cycle Network cut; 40th anniversary TI-Raleigh + more on the live blog

Welcome to Monday’s live blog. Jack Sexty is in charge today, with Simon MacMichael taking over later this evening.
  • by Jack Sexty
Mon, Jul 20, 2020 08:25
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SUMMARY

  • Weekend catch-up
  • Apparently, foxes eat cycling shoes
  • Sustrans' CEO responds to reports that they've 'lost' 4,000 miles of the National Cycle Network
  • Join us at 7pm tonight on Zwift for the chance to win socks!
  • "They pollute the air with their strong body odour": hilarious caller has some dubious reasons for disliking cyclists in public meeting
  • Updated National Cycle Network map is now live on Ordnance Survey
  • Wattbike rename flagship indoor training bike the Nucleus due to a copyright issue
  • Bernal, Quintana et al whisked to Europe on special 'sports flight' from pandemic-hit Colombia
  • Could new wonder material lead to indestructible bike locks? University researchers say Proteus is world's first manufactured 'non-cuttable' material
  • Iain Duncan Smith says you're "more likely to die on a bicycle than from COVID-19"
  • Raleigh release 40th anniversary edition of the TI-Raleigh in celebration of Joop Zoetemelk's 1980 Tour de France win
  • Cars blocking the cycle lane (again)
  • "My concern is more about the infrastructure": cyclist shares shocking close pass footage, putting blame on narrow strip of paint acting as a cycle lane
  • As racing returns, some good safety advice to fans from Deceuninck-Quick Step
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20 July 2020, 08:25

Weekend catch-up

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Where have you been? Here’s what you’ve missed if didn’t read road.cc at the weekend…

Susannah Constantine (from Trinny and Susannah) says she hates cyclists so much she would run over her own husband if she saw him out on his bike

Susannah Constantine apologises for “joke” about killing cyclists

Another Bikehangar break-in – but new security measures can now be installed

Poole watersports enthusiasts angry about protected cycle lane on National Cycle Route 2

Brexit Party politician rails against “constant reduction in speed” as Senedd backs default 20mph speed limit in residential areas

Decision looms over Mavic’s future as court assesses rescue bids

Virtual Tour de France: Stephens and Clarke triumph on the Champs-Elysées

Near Miss of the Day 445: “Lytham on a Saturday lunchtime, bloody death trap”

20 July 2020, 08:25

Apparently, foxes eat cycling shoes

Top tip, if you finish a wet ride, don’t leave your @rapha shoes outside over night for the foxes to eat them… pic.twitter.com/A2YDja4AOz

— Rory McCarron (@CyclingLawLDN) July 19, 2020

And Rory McCarron found ourt the hard way… who knew? 

20 July 2020, 08:25

Sustrans' CEO responds to reports that they've 'lost' 4,000 miles of the National Cycle Network

@sustrans + partners are working together to deliver a core network of #pathsforeveryone, scores of projects underway and we will still promote iconic routes like C2C and Caledonian Way. https://t.co/rCjuDYGCnh

— Xavier Brice (@_XavierBrice_) July 19, 2020

The Guardian reported at the weekend that from today, a quarter of the National Cycle Network has officially been cut off because of poor maintenance, signage and some dangerous sections that take cyclists onto roads with heavy traffic. The routes that will no longer form part of the official Network include the popular Coast to Coast path. 

Sustrans, the charity who have the huge task of maintaining the network along with various landowners, say this is part of their wider ambition to make the Network “traffic-free, more consistent and accessible”, and say they want to see 5,000 more miles of traffic-free paths by 2040. This ambition forms part of the #PathsForEveryone campaign that was first launched in 2018, which includes a list of 15 recommendations to achieving Sustrans’ ‘vision’ for the Network. 

Sustrans’ Ceo Xavier Brice says above that they will still promote routes that are no longer part of the official National Cycle Network, but their resources are now focussed on delivering the improved infrastructure that meets the ‘Paths For Everyone’ standards going forward. 

Absolutely. We committed to doing this in our #pathsforeveryone report. It’s not easy where we don’t own the land but it’s essential. And we are working with a range of partners to make it happen.

— Xavier Brice (@_XavierBrice_) July 19, 2020

20 July 2020, 08:25

Join us at 7pm tonight on Zwift for the chance to win socks!

We’re back again for another Ride Your Socks Off! event on Zwift at 7pm BST. This week it’s a D week, so it’s a flat course and a gentler pace. Tonight we’re doing five laps of the Classique circuit in London. We might throw a couple of (optional) sprint drills in for fun. There will be a sock giveaway at some point too. Come ride with us!

https://www.zwift.com/events/view/958005

20 July 2020, 08:25

"They pollute the air with their strong body odour": hilarious caller has some dubious reasons for disliking cyclists in public meeting

road.cc reader Mark has made us aware of this gem on YouTube, which was part of a virtual public meeting held by the San Francisco Recreation & Park Commission.

The caller seems super keen to ban cyclists from parks in San Fran, and even backs up his argument with ‘science’: 

“We know from research that they are so entitled and self-righteous and rude.

“And we know from science that many of them, they smell bad and pollute the air by their strong body odour when they ride to the park. To deny it is to deny science. 

“93% of San Franciscans don’t use a bike for anything. The rest of us want a better city with less bike dependence.

“I’m a supporter of bike-free streets, I have been hit three times by a bike. I see people biking recklessly and aggressive. I avoid the one side of the path because the bikes there are so aggressive…”

It gets better…

“Bikes are bad for the environment. Bikes create 12,800% larger carbon footprint per month than pedestrians. That is science. The self-righteous bikers are a shame. The park should be for people, the parks should not be for bikes.” 

It seems we’ve been denying science all this time, so our sincerest apologies to this caller. 

20 July 2020, 08:25

Updated National Cycle Network map is now live on Ordnance Survey

In case you missed yesterday – the updated Ordnance Survey map of the reclassified #NCN is live today https://t.co/q25e2Yut0G – and click the NCN layer https://t.co/61aN2BJmwC

— Laura Laker (@laura_laker) July 20, 2020

The new slimmed down map – minus Coast to Coast and the Caledonian Way amongst many other routes that have been taken out – is now live. You can find it here by selecting ‘National Cycle Network’ on the Map menu on the bottom right. 

20 July 2020, 08:25

Wattbike rename flagship indoor training bike the Nucleus due to a copyright issue

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wattbike nucleus - via wattbike (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
wattbike nucleus - via wattbike.PNG
wattbike nucleus – via wattbike (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Wattbike‘s top-of-the-range trainer was launched as the Icon last year, but today they’ve announced it will now be known as the Nucleus. Their CEO Richard Baker commented: 

“When we launched two new products for the commercial market last year, we were made aware of a copyright issue with the ‘Icon’ in one country. We therefore made the decision to rename the product to ensure brand consistency internationally and to treat this as a positive opportunity to bring the portfolio of Wattbikes closer as a collective by name.

“Within science; the nucleus is the positively charged central core of an atom, consisting of protons and neutrons and containing nearly all its mass. This description fits both the product and the brand perfectly and will further help to bring consistency to our product portfolio.

“Our company history is steeped in working with the best sport scientists, so it seems fitting to continue to look to science as we grow our product range.”

The Nucleus has an RRP of £3,120, but is currently discounted down to £2,499 on Wattbike’s website. 

20 July 2020, 08:25

Bernal, Quintana et al whisked to Europe on special 'sports flight' from pandemic-hit Colombia

Nairo Quintana cumpliendo con los protocolos para abordar el “vuelo del deporte” que llevará cerca de 120 personas entre deportistas y entrenadores colombianos a Europa. pic.twitter.com/NdPJvlaEAo

— Arley Durán Gómez (@arleydeportes) July 19, 2020

With COVID-19 cases rapidly on the rise in Colombia, some of the nation’s best cyclists were included on a special flight that has transported around 120 athletes and coaches to Europe. With all events of international significance on the cycling calendar taking place in Europe, it was perhaps inevitable that Colombia’s top cycling talent were best to get across the Atlantic before they were at risk of being banned from travelling altogether.

As noted by Pasión Ciclismo below, the flight landed in Madrid this morning. 

🛫 ¡Ya están en Madrid❗️ pic.twitter.com/V6uGN7zRkX

— Pasión Ciclismo 🚴🏻 (@pasiociclismo) July 20, 2020

20 July 2020, 08:25

Could new wonder material lead to indestructible bike locks? University researchers say Proteus is world's first manufactured 'non-cuttable' material

You can have all the gold-rated bike lock armoury in the world, but unfortunately the strongest locks commercially available can still be bypassed by a very committed thief with a huge angle grinder (although they’re still a huge deterrent, so get the best one you can afford). That could all change if the claims of researchers from Durham University and Germany’s Fraunhofer Institute are accurate, because they say that their new Proteus material – that is 15% the density of steel – cannot be cut by anything. 

The video above posted by New Atlas shows an angle grinder is no match for Proteus, with an accompanying article explaining that while the outer layer can be cut through, the ’embedded ceramic spheres’ inside actually damage the sharp edges of the tool. 

Lead author of the research Stefan Szyniszewski, Assistant Professor of Applied Mechanics at Durham’s Engineering department, told New Atlas: “Essentially cutting our material is like cutting through a jelly filled with nuggets. If you get through the jelly you hit the nuggets and the material will vibrate in such a way that it destroys the cutting disc or drill bit.

“The ceramics embedded in this flexible material are also made of very fine particles which stiffen and resist the angle grinder or drill when you’re cutting at speed in the same way that a sandbag would resist and stop a bullet at high speed. This material could have lots of useful and exciting applications in the security and safety industries. In fact, we are not aware of any other manufactured non-cuttable material in existence as of now.”

Could this stuff put bike thieves out of a job for good? We may have to press the researchers with some further questioning, but in the meantime the full paper can be found here. 

20 July 2020, 08:25

Iain Duncan Smith says you're "more likely to die on a bicycle than from COVID-19"

Iain Duncan Smith - via wikimedia commons
Iain Duncan Smith - via wikimedia commons (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
Iain Duncan Smith - via wikimedia commons
Iain Duncan Smith – via wikimedia commons (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

The Tory MP made the comments during an LBC interview, in which he said there had been a “general hysteria” over coronavirus in the UK. 

He said: “Only 4% of those who have died have died without any known co-morbidity.

“If you’re under forty you’re more likely to die by getting on a bicycle than you are by having Covid, so we need to get the balance of risks right”

20 July 2020, 08:25

Raleigh release 40th anniversary edition of the TI-Raleigh in celebration of Joop Zoetemelk's 1980 Tour de France win

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While some of his ‘training’ methods would most likely have been even more controversial by todays standards, Zoetemelk is still officially the most successful Dutch cyclist ever, and in 1980 he finally captured the yellow jersey at the Tour de France. In tribute Raleigh have made a special 40th anniversary edition of the TI-Raleigh that propelled him to victory. 

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With a number of retro parts that are almost identical to the originals such as a Selle Italia Turbo 1980 saddle, Reynolds 753 tubing and Cinelli bars, Raleigh have made things a bit easier by equipping the Campagnolo groupset with a 10 speed cassette. Only 250 will be available to buy, including a signed certificate of authenticity from Zoetemelk himself, with full details and prices TBC so far. You can sign up for more info on a special online event ahead of the bike going on sale in September here.  

20 July 2020, 08:25

Cars blocking the cycle lane (again)

Seriously just going to start riding into douche bags like these full force. This stretch of Blackfriars Road is beyond pathetic.
Anyone know this cretin? He got shy when the camera came out, but he was full of colourful language and threats 😂👊🏼 #manchester #salford pic.twitter.com/rwvtrR2N6Q

— Emily⚡️ (@just_barely) July 20, 2020

With today’s example coming from Manchester, it seems more than ever councils should exercise their new rights to fine drivers for parking in cycle lanes. 

20 July 2020, 08:25

"My concern is more about the infrastructure": cyclist shares shocking close pass footage, putting blame on narrow strip of paint acting as a cycle lane

Perfectly OK to overtake a cyclist with a 30cm gap here, as the magic white line provides all the protection the cyclist needs. Cycle lanes passing through pinch points are asking for trouble. @RichmondCycling @LBRUT @KingstonCycling pic.twitter.com/Kw1OBqZ1sw

— Andy Litchfield (@AndyLitchfield5) July 19, 2020

I won’t be reporting it to the police as I think it was just a misjudgement rather than malicious. My concern is more about the infrastructure as this happens quite often on that stretch of road (A308 Hampton Court Rd between Hampton Wick and Hampton Court).

— Andy Litchfield (@AndyLitchfield5) July 19, 2020

While it’s terrifying to watch and you’d think most competent drivers would understand it was not safe to pass when this lorry driver did, the cyclist who shared the footage says he blames the design of the cycle lane on the A308 near Bushy Park more than the driver.

Andy Litchfield added:” I did consider reporting it but I actually think the tweet will have more impact as evidence of the need to carry out improvements to the road layout. It was crappy driving but just a misjudgment rather than malicious, imo.”

Cycle lanes that are marked out by paint with no protection have been nicknamed ‘murderstrips’ in the past, which was even touted as Belgium’s Word of the Year in 2018. Do you think the driver should be punished regardless, or is the horribly narrow cycle lane more to blame for the error of judgement? 

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As racing returns, some good safety advice to fans from Deceuninck-Quick Step

This should all be second nature after four months … but it doesn’t do any harm to give a gentle reminder.

We’re just one week away from restarting the season after more than four long months.
Here’s a few rules we kindly ask our fans and everyone at the races to follow, so that they protect themselves and all those around.
Video: @lapedalecc pic.twitter.com/T6kFLQ72zD

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20 July 2020, 08:25

Rival petitions to reopen Brighton seafront road to all traffic – or keep it for pedestrians and cyclists

Rival petitions to reopen Brighton seafront road to all traffic – or keep it for pedestrians and cyclists

Council will consider both petitions regarding Madeira Drive this Thursday but motoring lobby has a strong lead on siignature numbers

20 July 2020, 08:25

The bike formally known as Prince gets a 2021 redesign with aero trickle-down tech from the Dogma F12

The bike formally known as Prince gets a 2021 redesign with aero trickle-down tech from the Dogma F12

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20 July 2020, 08:25

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Jail for motorist, 84, who killed cyclist after being told not to drive due to failing eyesight

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42 thoughts on “Shocking close pass caused by ‘magic white line’ cycle lane; New material could lead to ‘indestructible’ bike lock; Cyclists “pollute air with strong body odour”; Quarter of National Cycle Network cut; 40th anniversary TI-Raleigh + more on the live blog”

  1. brooksby
    July 20, 2020 at 9:01 am
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    I’d always presumed that the

    I’d always presumed that the NCN was a map of ‘preferred’ routes rather than a map of ‘strictly off road and traffic free’ routes.  You live and learn.

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    • OnYerBike
      July 20, 2020 at 3:33 pm
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      I think part of the problem

      I think part of the problem is that previously no-one knew what being part of the NCN meant. It included everything from fairly busy roads to muddy off-road tracks not suitable for a road bike. 

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      • mdavidford
        July 20, 2020 at 3:53 pm
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        OnYerBike wrote:

        I think part of the problem is that previously no-one knew what being part of the NCN meant.

        — OnYerBike

        Including Sustrans. They either need to commit to a single focus, or distinguish between different networks for different uses.

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  2. the little onion
    July 20, 2020 at 9:21 am
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    The NCN / Sustrans news is

    The NCN / Sustrans news is actually terrific. Truly brilliant. Because for so long, I’ve genuinely believed that Sustrans do a lot of harm for cycling, by endorsing any old crap as a ‘national cycling network’ without any consideration about whether it is suitable for cycling or not. There are sections with stairs, sections that are actually a beach submerged for several hours each day by the tide, and so on. 

     

    If they are beginning to endorse minimum criteria (suitable for all criteria of bikes in all weathers, and all competent riders including small children, handcyclists etc) we may actually end up with a usable network.

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    • mdavidford
      July 20, 2020 at 9:41 am
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      the little onion wrote:

      If they are beginning to endorse minimum criteria (suitable for all criteria of bikes in all weathers, and all competent riders including small children, handcyclists etc) we may actually end up with a usable network.

      — the little onion

      Except that that would can, er, pretty much all of it, at least around these parts. In fact, it’s pretty much unachievable at all, since the requirements for different uses (say, a commuting route and an adventure route) are contradictory.

      I don’t see why they can’t have different classifications for different sections – e.g. green routes for access to natural areas with maybe some gravel etc.; blue for quiet, family-friendly, and well-surfaced; red for faster routes suitable for commuting; and black signage for sections which are not officially recognised as part of the network due to being substandard, but link between those that are (which should help get around the issue of claiming network mileage without investing in it).

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      • Awavey
        July 20, 2020 at 12:43 pm
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        Agreed,just look at the OS
        Agreed,just look at the OS map now,theres no NCN bike route to/from the continent via Harwich which was a popular route with tourists, a chunk of East Suffolk is now NCN free, the Norfolk coast similar. And yet in many cases the roads theyve retained are no different to cycle on than the ones that theyve dropped.

        The road from Dunwich I’d consider to be far more heavy in terms of traffic than the road around Leiston Abbey yet the Dunwich road stays NCN,Leiston doesnt.

        These changes feel like weve made a bad situation far worse,for absolutely no gain in terms of making it safer to cycle on roads.

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      • paulrbarnard
        July 20, 2020 at 4:21 pm
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        Good proposal.  In my area it

        Good proposal.  In my area it’s required to bite on a peice of leather to prevent your teath shattering when you take to an NCN route.  The quite roads selected as NCN are quite for a reason…

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  3. S13SFC
    July 20, 2020 at 11:21 am
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    Having ridden in SF a few

    Having ridden in SF a few times it’s amazing how many people ride considering how hilly it is.

    I love it that one side of the Golden Gate Bridge is bikes only.

    Good to see gammons are the same the world over though.

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  4. Awavey
    July 20, 2020 at 11:37 am
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    The Guardians report says
    The Guardians report says they are canning anything that’s faster than 20mph urban road or 40mph rural road, which borks their whole Isle of Wight route, but I’m surprised it means they only lose a quarter of their miles in that case as that feels like most of East Anglias routes gone as well then,as there are only a few traffic free bits linking up the road sections.

    Whilst I might have agreed the standards were poor in some cases,I dont agree the solution is pretend those routes no longer exist.

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    • hawkinspeter
      July 20, 2020 at 9:24 am
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      I think it makes it far

      I think it makes it far clearer to people as to what to expect. Imagine taking your family on a cycle route and find yourself dumped into a semi-busy road with just a bit of paint to protect you.

      I think pretending that the routes exist makes it less likely for those routes to be improved as politicians can bandy around the total mileage figures and make the situation seem a lot better than it is. If we’re going to call something a National Cycle Network, then it needs to meet a sensible standard.

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      • Awavey
        July 20, 2020 at 10:10 am
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        I agree that to be labelled
        I agree that to be labelled an NCN it needs to be clear what quality to expect for the average family group ride & nobody wants to be left stranded riding on some very busy roads,though some of their traffic free routes arent much of an improvement a mix of variable quality shared paths and tracks across fields, which are now even more disconnected than they felt before.

        I just dont think the solution is scrap whole chunks of a route based on their criteria,surely its find out what makes those routes bad and improve that first and only if you cant improve it scrap it,just feels like chucking baby out with the bath water.

        OS maps provide a handy overlay of NCN routes that you can see which bits are on road or traffic free, and if you assume the on road bits no longer qualify due to speed limits theres great chunks now missing from very popular routes that maybe had only a few problem areas that could have been fixed imo

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  5. brooksby
    July 20, 2020 at 12:40 pm
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    Quote:

    “We know from research that they are so entitled and self-righteous and rude.

    Really? I wonder if he can point us at some peer reviewed papers on this subject?  I’m sure that road.cc would have covered it before now (if it wasn’t just in his imagination, of course…).

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    • paulrbarnard
      July 20, 2020 at 4:18 pm
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      Twitter is full of evidence.

      Twitter is full of evidence.  Completely peer reviewed and echoed repeatedly.  The peer of an idiot is another idiot…

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  6. Cupov
    July 20, 2020 at 1:32 pm
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    Top marketing BS from the CEO

    Top marketing BS from the CEO of Wattbike

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  7. mdavidford
    July 20, 2020 at 1:56 pm
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    Eh – it appears to have cut

    Eh – it appears to have cut through a good few inches before getting stuck on the ‘nuggets’ – if my bike lock has to be several inches thick to defeat the thieves, I’m not sure how practical it’s going to be.

    Also, what’s going on with Quintana’s multiple masks? Takes off one to reveal another one underneath, then puts a third one on over that, and by the time he gets to check in he seems to have the first one on again – seems like slight overkill.

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  8. Secret_squirrel
    July 20, 2020 at 3:54 pm
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    The NCN/Sustrans news is

    The NCN/Sustrans news is stupid and contrarian that I wonder if its a con job to save them money by ignoring the crappiest 1/4 of their routes.

    If you believe their stated reasons they could have been accomplised by relabeling them as the equivalent of “B” or “C” roads.  

    Or have the NCN and the SCN where S stands for “S**tty”

    Quietly hoping they will go away is a terrible idea.

     

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  9. eburtthebike
    July 20, 2020 at 5:52 pm
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    That close pass was

    That close pass was terrifying, and even though it was clearly dangerous, it’s probable that the driver would never be convicted as he didn’t intrude into the cycle lane.    Andy is right, and the infrastructure is dangerous.

    The highway authority has undoubtedly ticked the cycle provision box on some government application form, and they claim that they are getting so much done for cyclists, while actually putting cyclists more at risk.  If there have been collisions there, they should be held to account for endangering highway users.  There’s something wrong with any system which didn’t identify the clear and obvious danger created by those narrow, worse than pointless, cycle lanes.  I hope Andy has submitted the vid to the council responsible, and demanded action.

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    • LetsBePartOfTheSolution
      July 20, 2020 at 6:59 pm
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      I know I’ll be getting a

      I know I’ll be getting a reputation for my unwavering views on this… but I would simply never cycle in a dangerously narrow cycle lane. Instead I would use the road and take the flak rather than an impact.  
      The cycle lane’s hidden danger is that it requires an additional shot of road-confidence to decide affirmatively NOT to cycle in it.

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      • eburtthebike
        July 20, 2020 at 11:00 pm
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        LetsBePartOfTheSolution wrote

        I know I’ll be getting a reputation for my unwavering views on this… but I would simply never cycle in a dangerously narrow cycle lane. Instead I would use the road and take the flak rather than an impact.  
        The cycle lane’s hidden danger is that it requires an additional shot of road-confidence to decide affirmatively NOT to cycle in it.

        — LetsBePartOfTheSolution

        Yes, but when you get run over, they’ll say “If only he’d been riding in the cycle lane.”  Catch 22.

        We need safe infrastructure, not this shit.

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      • giff77
        July 21, 2020 at 7:07 am
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        LetsBePartOfTheSolution wrote

        I know I’ll be getting a reputation for my unwavering views on this… but I would simply never cycle in a dangerously narrow cycle lane. Instead I would use the road and take the flak rather than an impact.  
        The cycle lane’s hidden danger is that it requires an additional shot of road-confidence to decide affirmatively NOT to cycle in it.

        — LetsBePartOfTheSolution

        My initial reaction is that the council has rather lazily turned the area to the left of the carriageway boundary into a de facto cycle lane. I’ve been accused of not using this area in the past by work colleagues who have never realised that the line is a boundary and not a cycle lane. The only purpose it serves is to provide an area for a pedestrian to walk on country roads. 

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        • brooksby
          July 21, 2020 at 7:50 am
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          giff77 wrote:

          My initial reaction is that the council has rather lazily turned the area to the left of the carriageway boundary into a de facto cycle lane.

          — giff77

          That is what it looks like – how wide is it?

          It looks narrower than the handlebars on my hybrid.

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          • giff77
            July 21, 2020 at 9:03 am
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            brooksby wrote:

            My initial reaction is that the council has rather lazily turned the area to the left of the carriageway boundary into a de facto cycle lane.

            — brooksby

            That is what it looks like – how wide is it?

            It looks narrower than the handlebars on my hybrid.

            — giff77

            They can range from 6″ to 24″  depending on the road and the verge!  That was me looks about 2 foot.  As said.  Laziness on the councils behalf in their eagerness to tick boxes.  They’ve put effort into creating a refuge for crossing to what looks like a bridleway or off road NCR  so why not develop infrastructure on the main carriageway? 

             

          • brooksby
            July 21, 2020 at 10:26 am
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            giff77 wrote:

            My initial reaction is that the council has rather lazily turned the area to the left of the carriageway boundary into a de facto cycle lane.

            — giff77

            That is what it looks like – how wide is it?

            It looks narrower than the handlebars on my hybrid.

            — brooksby

            They can range from 6″ to 24″  depending on the road and the verge!  That was me looks about 2 foot.  As said.  Laziness on the councils behalf in their eagerness to tick boxes.  They’ve put effort into creating a refuge for crossing to what looks like a bridleway or off road NCR  so why not develop infrastructure on the main carriageway? 

            — giff77

            Because, “bicycles”, isn’t it.

        • pockstone
          July 21, 2020 at 11:03 am
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          I had ‘gone on holiday by

          I had ‘gone on holiday by mistake’ along a short section of the A66 near Brough. The edge strip there looked even wider than this sorry excuse for a cycle lane. Scary, but at least it was a dual carriageway, and my bars just about squeezed in. (Maybe I should have taken the lane, but discretion…valour etc.)

          I’m surprised Surrey County Council didn’t have to fit the ‘bike’ marking in sideways!

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          • brooksby
            July 21, 2020 at 11:49 am
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            pockstone wrote:

            I had ‘gone on holiday by mistake’ along a short section of the A66 near Brough. The edge strip there looked even wider than this sorry excuse for a cycle lane. Scary, but at least it was a dual carriageway, and my bars just about squeezed in. (Maybe I should have taken the lane, but discretion…valour etc.)

            I’m surprised Surrey County Council didn’t have to fit the ‘bike’ marking in sideways!

            — pockstone

            Is ‘going on holiday by mistake’ a similar thing to ‘going to Barnard Castle to check my eyesight’? 😉

          • pockstone
            July 21, 2020 at 12:39 pm
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            Every bit as dangerous!

            Every bit as dangerous!

          • hawkinspeter
            July 21, 2020 at 12:50 pm
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            Are you the farmer?
             

            Are you the farmer?

             

          • brooksby
            July 21, 2020 at 2:24 pm
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            Oh, its a Withnail reference.

            Oh, its a Withnail reference…!

            (You know, that’s a film I’ve never actually seen?)

          • hawkinspeter
            July 21, 2020 at 2:48 pm
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            I heartily recommend it. Just

            I heartily recommend it. Just don’t try the drinking game.

          • pockstone
            July 21, 2020 at 3:34 pm
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            I heartily recommend it. Just

            I heartily recommend it. Just DO try the drinking game.

            (Which, for the avoidance of doubt, includes other pharmacalogically active ingredients.)

          • hawkinspeter
            July 21, 2020 at 5:09 pm
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            I was trying to think of my

            I was trying to think of my favourite scene, but it’s one of those films that is almost entirely favourite scenes.

            Withnail: [seeing a road sign reading “ACCIDENT BLACK SPOT. DRIVE WITH EXTREME CARE”] Look at that, accident black spot! These aren’t accidents! They’re throwing themselves into the road gladly! Throwing themselves into the road to escape all this hideousness!
            [shouts out of the car window at a man standing on the pavement]
            Withnail: Throw yourself into the road, darling! You haven’t got a chance!

    • ktache
      July 20, 2020 at 7:56 pm
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      It’s the surely ironic Blind

      It’s the surely ironic Blind Spot Take Care sticker that really gets me…

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    • Mungecrundle
      July 21, 2020 at 10:25 am
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      That is not a cyclepath.
      That is not a cyclepath. Someone has put up some signs and painted little bicycle glyphs in the strip of tarmac between the carriagway edge marking and the grass. Some sort of in joke or dare at the council highways department perhaps?

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    • Simon E
      July 21, 2020 at 1:35 pm
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      eburtthebike wrote:

      That close pass was terrifying, and even though it was clearly dangerous, it’s probable that the driver would never be convicted as he didn’t intrude into the cycle lane.    Andy is right, and the infrastructure is dangerous.

      — eburtthebike

      But blaming the infrastructure shouldn’t get the driver off the hook – he completely failed to give the cyclist adequate room when passing.

      There is NO WAY you can blame the white paint or the cyclist for that. I’m sure West Midlands road safety team would have something to say about it!

      I’d not hesitate to contact the local plod, provide a link for Heverin Haulage via https://www.heverinhaulage.com/contact-us/ and an invitation to swap places with the driver.

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      • eburtthebike
        July 21, 2020 at 7:59 pm
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        Simon E wrote:

        That close pass was terrifying, and even though it was clearly dangerous, it’s probable that the driver would never be convicted as he didn’t intrude into the cycle lane.    Andy is right, and the infrastructure is dangerous.

        — Simon E

        But blaming the infrastructure shouldn’t get the driver off the hook – he completely failed to give the cyclist adequate room when passing.

        There is NO WAY you can blame the white paint or the cyclist for that. I’m sure West Midlands road safety team would have something to say about it!

        I’d not hesitate to contact the local plod, provide a link for Heverin Haulage via https://www.heverinhaulage.com/contact-us/ and an invitation to swap places with the driver.

        — eburtthebike

        Thanks.  You are right of course and it should be reported, but I doubt that plod would take any action and even if they did, would any jury convict?

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  10. eburtthebike
    July 20, 2020 at 6:12 pm
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    Nice to see Iain Duncan Smith

    Nice to see Iain Duncan Smith maintaining the tories almost unanimous failure to understand cycling in any way shape or form, and to deter some more people.  Without wishing to get too political again, the only tory who gets cycling is Boris, and he is an incorrigible liar, cheat and hypocrite.

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    • ktache
      July 20, 2020 at 7:54 pm
      0

      For some reason they are

      For some reason they are dragging IDS out a great deal at the moment.

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      • Jetmans Dad
        July 20, 2020 at 9:27 pm
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        ktache wrote:

        For some reason they are dragging IDS out a great deal at the moment.

        — ktache

        They think he makes Boris look good. 

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        • eburtthebike
          July 20, 2020 at 10:59 pm
          0

          Jetmans Dad wrote:

          For some reason they are dragging IDS out a great deal at the moment.

          — Jetmans Dad

          They think he makes Boris look good. 

          — ktache

          Yes, but so does Goofy.

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  11. rkemb
    July 21, 2020 at 6:28 am
    0

    “Within science; the nucleus

    “Within science; the nucleus is the positively charged central core of an atom, consisting of protons and neutrons and containing nearly all its mass. This description fits both the product and the brand perfectly”

    I’m not sure that “containing nearly all the mass” is the best marketing for a cycling company.

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  12. brooksby
    July 21, 2020 at 7:53 am
    0

    That retro Raleigh is

    That retro Raleigh is gorgeous, but – looking at their website

    The TI-Raleigh 40th Edition Bike will retail for £2500. The Frameset will retail for £1500.

    puts it a bit out of my price range…

    (I wonder if I could start a Gofundme for “Sh!t I really want to buy”?) yes

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    • brooksby
      July 22, 2020 at 8:11 am
      0

      If anyone is interested,

      If anyone is interested, there’s a review of the Raleigh over at the Retrogrouch blog:

      http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2020/07/retro-raleigh-new-team-replica.html

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“Nanny state” hi-vis and helmet laws will discourage active travel, campaigners warn as Irish government signs off on new e-scooter rules amid claims illegal e-bikes causing “havoc”
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“Insufficient, inadequate, circumvented”: Chinese e-retailer AliExpress fined €550 million for failure to enforce compliance checks against illegal, unsafe goods
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Rendel Harris 8 hours ago

@chrisonabike Will you two please stop panda-ing to one another?

in: “Nanny state” hi-vis and helmet laws will discourage active travel, campaigners warn as Irish government signs off on new e-scooter rules amid claims illegal e-bikes causing “havoc”
Rendel Harris 8 hours ago

@kingleo They're only imposing the 18+ age limit, raised from 16, on escooters, not legal ebikes. There is no minimum age for riding an EPAC in Ireland.

in: “Nanny state” hi-vis and helmet laws will discourage active travel, campaigners warn as Irish government signs off on new e-scooter rules amid claims illegal e-bikes causing “havoc”
mdavidford 8 hours ago

I thought it was all about the gear ratios?

in: “We’re seeing some insane new records”: Why are Tour de France speeds getting higher and higher? + Dispatches from the Alps and Paris
mdavidford 8 hours ago

@chrisonabike These are polarising issues - anyone attending would have known there was trouble bruin.

in: “Nanny state” hi-vis and helmet laws will discourage active travel, campaigners warn as Irish government signs off on new e-scooter rules amid claims illegal e-bikes causing “havoc”
Keith57 9 hours ago

@VIPcyclist Yes, the live coverage on S4C was a few stages at the beginning and a few at the end. Shame it wasn’t the whole lot. Stage 19 was particularly good live. Setting the record for the fastest time up the Alpe. He went a bit faster than I did a few years ago 😮. Amazing watching Pogačar hit the bottom of the hill with the breakaway over 3min ahead of him. S4C is available to watch again on the BBC iPlayer if you want to rewatch. The adverts seem to be stripped out too 👍🏻. S4C are looking forward to next year when some stages are here at home in Cymru 🙂. Non-welsh speakers can just watch the video I guess. I like it in my own language, but the iOS app ‘Tour Tracker’ is very very good too, especially for time trials. It’s also more ‘live’ than the live video. So, if it announces some sort of incident you can focus on the live feed to wait for it! (Cymraeg is one of the British Isles oldest living languages BTW.)

in: TNT Sports hails “record” Tour de France audience in the UK – but can first paywalled Tour be viewed a success?
ktache 9 hours ago

I paid for my month, first week off work so I wanted proper full day coverage. Enjoyed it, nice to be able to pause live coverage, but then they make you watch the adverts when trying to catch up. Channel 5 for when I was working, alright, less chat. Seemed to use the tnt virtual studio. Already cancelled, of course, but will be catching the TdF femmes until I'm booted off. Even though I could watch the commenwealth games I haven't, I hope the games have done well securing the rights because their viewing figures will be right down, such coverage benefits being on the BBC.

in: TNT Sports hails “record” Tour de France audience in the UK – but can first paywalled Tour be viewed a success?
Mr Blackbird 10 hours ago

A goat has a carbon fibre fuselage, Pratt and Witney jet engines, hydraulic retractable undercarriage and in flight movie screens, but that doesn't make it a Boeing Dreamliner.

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Mr Blackbird 10 hours ago

Didn't we do this earlier in the week?

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AidanR 10 hours ago

If you come to road.cc only to read road bike articles, why do you keep clicking through to the other ones? Seems a bit daft

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Terry Hutt 10 hours ago

It's not the riders, it's not the equipment, it's not the clothing, it's not the nutrition, it's not the training. All those factors together probably allow for no more than 10% of the total improvement. Hmm, I wonder what the rest could be? It must be the tires ;-)

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