Is this the most brutal Grand Tour stage map… since the last Vuelta?
Perhaps not, but in case you missed it last night, the route for 2025 La Vuelta has been announced, and besides a surprising start in Torino, Italy and a snub to Andalucía (more on that in a minute), it seems that sprinters have been given the short end of the stick for the next year, with only one truly flat stage and maybe four which have the possibility of ending in a bunch sprint.
What was even confusing is that no one seems to be sure how the stages have been classified. The official Twitter of the Spanish Grand Tour account initially posted a video writing: “one flat stages [sic], 13 hilly and mountain stages, five hilly stages (2 with a high finish), one ITT, and one TTT.”
However, the post has been updated and now reads: “Four flat stages (one with a high finish), six hilly stages, five mountain stages, three hilly stages with high finish, one ITT, and one TTT.”
Other people also commented on the blurred lines between stage distinctions. I love how we commenters can’t agree on how many uphill/summit finishes are here. I don’t know myself. Each time I count, I get a different number. Nine, 10, 11, 13?” one person wrote, adding: “Definitely Roglič time.”
If you ask your live blog host (who’d like to think of possessing decent arithmetic skills), he’d count 10 uphill finishes in total. What’s he most excited about, you ask? Well, L’Angliru’s back baby!
But what seemed to disappoint and bother most fans was the lack of flat stages favouring bunch finishes and going easy on the sprinters legs. Essentially, I can just see the first, eight and the last stage offering some respite to the those who struggle on the climbs, with a plausible likelihood of a sprint finish on stage 15 as well.
“‘One flat stages’ I’M CRYING… The sprinters shouldn’t even bother with this,” wrote Mihai Simion. Although, he added: “It's not that bad for the sprinters actually. I count at least 4 stages which are very likely to end in a bunch sprint.”
However, some (looking at you, sprint stage haters) seemed to not mind it too much. “Sprinters are over. No one likes flat stages in 2024 and following. Stages should at least be hilly,” said one such sprint stage-hating fan. I’d like to vehemently express my disagreement.
Meanwhile, The Fantasy Cycling Podcast pondered: “Groves handled hilly days better than I thought he would this year. Milan as well at the Giro. Are the days of the pure sprinter dead?”
And yet some fans remained unimpressed: “Your average Vuelta, maybe even a tick harder with a bigger number of hard mountain finishes and fewer shorter/easier climbs. I like how the Angliru stage is longer. Probably could use a bit more ITT-ing though.”
But of course, the big question, does this abundance of uphill stages mean Tadej Pogačar, who has is yet to decide between doing the Giro d’Italia and the Vuelta this year, come to Italy anyway for the third and final Grand Tour of the year? And if he does so, how many stages is he destined to win?
On the other hand, there’s always Roglič, who tends to excel in these hilly/mountainous conditions, and after a relatively convincing victory last year, would anyone want to bet against the four-time Vuelta winner in defending the red jersey?
Let us know your thoughts about the route, how many sprint and uphill finishes do you think there will be, and of course, what are your predictions for the winner in the comments.
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Chris Froome should retire immediately before more people forget how brilliant he was. A better climber and time trialler than pogacar (although it would be interesting to see what pogacar could do in a world champs TT if he made it a specific goal).
That statement is not borne out by any comparison times between the two on significant Tour or training climbs or time trials, Pogacar is faster in almost every side-by-side comparison. Froome was brilliant, the best of his era, but Pogacar is probably the best of all time. It's simply nonsense to claim that Froome is superior in either discipline but especially in climbing.
I agree that pogacar is probably the best all rounder of all time. And is potentially the best of all time. His breakaway performances to win stages and one day classics are amazing. He is better than Froome on shorter explosive climbs. However, I believe Froome was stronger on long mountain climbs. I think Pogacar has to win medals in world champs and olympic tts before he can be considered better at the discipline than Froome (it would be interesting to see what he could achieve if he made them a specific goal).
Pogacar's performances in this year's Tour surely give the lie to the idea that he is inferior to Froome on long climbs, e.g. KOM on the Galibier and the astonishing time on Plateau de Beille; look back to last year and he took the KOM on the Tourmalet. He is objectively faster than Froome on any type of climb, including the longest high altitude ones. In terms of TTs, Froome has two Olympic bronzes and one WC bronze, pretty good but hardly marking him out as an all-time great in the discipline. He has four ITT stages from the twenty-one GTs he's entered, a record Pogacar has already matched with four from seven races. Pogacar is also a triple winner of his national TT, beating the likes of Roglic, Polanc, Mohoric and Tratnik in the process.
Good points on the climbs. Winning any sort of medal in world or olympic tts is a huge step up. It means competing against specialists who have prepared specifically for the one-off event. Froome competed against Cancellara, Dennis, Wiggins, Martin, Demoulin. Pogacar has the likes of Ganna, Affini, Evenapoel, Van Aert and even Josh Tarling to contend with. I am not saying that he wouldn't equal or better Froome's record, but until he does well in these tts, I don't think he can be considered the greatest ever.
And good chat! I'm going on Zwift now. Have a good weekend.
I also think that both Froome and Pogacar would have been world class 5000m and 10000m runners if they were runners. With Pogacar being better at 5000m and Froome having potential to be better at the marathon.
Just found this government petition on CUK forum. It's a petition for presumed liability. Not a panacea but a step towards getting the law to match the highway code, in this case the hierarchy of responsibility.
I've signed and here is the link in case any one else would like to.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700451
Just found this government petition on CUK forum
Well done for publicising this, and I signed it immediately- I hope many others follow suit. It was notable in the blurb about this particular petition that when 'you' are KSI'd, you're not there to fight your corner, whereas the killer is right there with 'I didn't see him', 'I didn't mean to do it', 'he just shot out in front of me, I didn't stand a chance' etc. which they spout to a highly receptive audience, the police. The police, in turn, are ready with their series of dodges- essentially they are: if you're not KSI'd it wasn't important, and if you are there's insufficient evidence that it's not the cyclist's fault. You know this well from the Gloucestershire Dodge: no matter how close the close pass, the worst that can happen is the joke advice letter which is a source of pride to a BMW/ Audi (other nutter drivers are available) driver.
Signed - it's put in a form which might possibly be considered eg. proposing this for *civil* claims rather than criminal cases. Same as in countries which do have "presumed liability" eg. NL.
Signed and promoted in a couple of my networks.
Would be cool if he rode his last race on a rim brake bike.
"Chris Froome says 2025 would potentially be his last season".
His contract ends on 31 Dec 25. Save for a miracle of biblical proportions, 2025 will very much not 'potentially' be his last year.
Lets face it - if you could buy Chris Froome at the supermarket you could sue Tesco under the Trades description act - this racer can't race.
I cant believe IPT were actually stupid enough to sign him without some kind of break clause before now.
He's a delusional embarrisment to himself.
Doesn't really matter to IPT though does it, they've only ever been a sportswashing outfit for Israel.
They are owned by an Israeli-Canadian, nothing to do with the Israeli government.
Some folks never let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Sure.
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If not sports washing for a genocidal state then what is it?
Unfortunately, you are right sir.
I dunno - he had a horrendous crash that he was lucky to survive. I mean, he is nothing physically like the rider he was, but I do like his attitude to at least try.
> The men’s world champion using a mobile phone while cycling?
How does anyone think he films his jaunty little clips for his socials?
? Last I heard, last week, he said he would make a choice between the Giro and the Vuelta once he'd seen the routes, have I missed something?
ETA - very cheeky editing without acknowledging the mistake!