Cycling UK tackles Highway Code misinformation; Lizzie Deignan announces pregnancy — will miss 2022 season; How to beat Filippo Ganna in a TT? Ride 9km in 10 minutes; Bucket list ride; I bet that UAE look good on the dancefloor + more on the live blog
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How to beat Filippo Ganna in a TT? Just ride 9km in 10 minutes...Steffan Bissegger uploads mind-boggling UAE Tour win to Strava
If you’re expecting some top tips on how to beat Filippo Ganna in a TT then you’re in the wrong place. Sadly, if you aren’t already in the top 0.00001 per cent of time trialists, and likely signed up to a top WorldTour team, then no amount of aero tinkering ahead of the club ten is going to help…
Luckily for Steffan Bissegger he is in the top echelon of male riders against the clock, and rides for a top WorldTour team, and yesterday managed to pip Pippo to the TT win at UAE Tour. Thankfully, Steffan was a champ and uploaded his ride to Strava for us to perv over…even if he did leave out some of the juicy details…
It’s not the Swiss rider’s first big win…last March he won the Paris-Nice TT, with team boss Jonathan Vaughters afterwards saying Bissegger has the lowest CdA of any rider the team knows. That’s his drag coefficient…meaning? Well, he’s quite aero…
Unfortunately, the EF Pro Cycling rider omitted his power and heart rate data from the upload, although watching on, Vaughters joked on Twitter that his had just dropped below 150 for the first time in a while…
What we do know is that Bissegger averaged 60kph (37mph) during the first half of the ride (with the help of some favourable wind conditions) before holding on to average 51kph (31mph) on the way home.
There was even a three-minute spell near the start where the 23-year-old averaged 62.9kph (39mph)…that’s just silly.
Overall he averaged a little under 55kph (34mph) for the entire course, helped by a top speed, on the flat, of 66kph (41mph), according to Strava.
All while spinning a cadence of 102 in the 28°C heat of the UAE, crushing the 8.93km course in 9:48…
Unfortunately nobody was quick enough (or maybe Bissegger was too smart to leave it in) to snap a look at his power data when he uploaded the activity.
Strava sleuths spotted Remco Evenepoel quickly hid his power data from his crushing Volta ao Algarve win at the weekend…but not before a screenshot of the 392-watt average for 38 minutes was paraded on social media.
Any guesses about Bissegger’s number? I’d say closest to the pin wins a prize, but as we don’t know where the pin is, that could be problematic…
For context, Ganna’s dominant stage one victory at last year’s Giro on a similar 8.6km course was widely believed to be 500w+. Although the Italian is a considerably bigger rider, and with Bissegger’s aerodynamic excellence, maybe the number isn’t as outrageous as you might expect?
Don’t get me wrong, it’s still going to mind-boggling for you or I…
Like to point out @Maggy_PR and @carltonkirby that Stefan went faster on the way out and the way back. In both directions. Meaning, he was faster irrespective of wind speed or direction. #themoreyouknow
— Jonathan Vaughters (@Vaughters) February 22, 2022
Well. My pulse is now under 150. Sitting on the couch. So, that’s good. @whoop
— Jonathan Vaughters (@Vaughters) February 22, 2022
Bucket list rides: What's top of your list?
Not that I’m wishing my life away, but it’s now just 100 days until I set off on an epic two month cycling and camping trip round the Baltic coast. It’s an adventure that’s been in the pipeline since 2019. Twelve countries, eight capital cities, innumerable beaches- can’t wait! pic.twitter.com/v5XTOh6crw
— Tim McKenna (@TimMcKenna5) February 22, 2022
Any big summer plans? They don’t have to be as continent-crossing as Tim’s, but what’s your number one ride in 2022? Admittedly, there might be something going on at certain parts of that route that requires a slight change of plan…
Now, I’m sure after the past couple of years you need no further encouragement for a two-wheeled getaway, but if you do?
> Six reasons to go on a cycling holiday
In hindsight, we could probably list six thousand reasons, but hey, that would be a tough read…
Land’s End to John O’Groats is the classic UK must-do endurance challenge, but is London to Barcelona a better option? Andrew Dalton made the case to us for chasing the sun, saying: “a similar distance, but with better roads, better weather, better food and a more fun destination.”
You’re telling me a night out in John O’Groats isn’t fun?
> Cycling from London to Barcelona: a more enjoyable LEJOG alternative?
Get in the comments with your cycling holiday/big ride/bikepacking plans for 2022…
I bet that UAE look good on the dancefloor...
— Cycling out of context (@OutOfCycling) February 22, 2022
Lizzie Deignan announces pregnancy — will miss 2022 season
Inaugural Paris-Roubaix champion Lizzie Deignan is expecting her second child with husband and former Team Sky pro Phil, and will miss the 2022 season. Deignan, who is already a mother to daughter Orla, has extended her contract with Trek-Segafredo through 2023 and 2024.
In an extensive interview released by her team, Deignan outlined her plans to return to the sport next year…
“Obviously having a baby is a big decision, but it wasn’t a difficult one for us. We’ve always wanted to have a big family and I think the time is right to have another child,” Deignan said.
> Bump and Ride part 2: how to carry on cycling safely through the second trimester of pregnancy
“Orla is ready for a sibling, I feel like I am established and able in my career to make the next step to have another child, and everything behind the scenes fell into place. All the logical stuff like having a settled team and where we live was all really good. It was an emotional, but logical decision to make our family bigger.
“I feel like I still have plenty to give from an athletic standpoint. For me, it was always obvious that if we were able to have another baby then I would still return to cycling.
“I never expected to continue my career through not just one, but two pregnancies, but actually there’s been so many examples now of successful women returning to the sport, and especially older women returning to the sport. I don’t think the same stereotype of athletes retiring at 30 in their prime is necessarily true anymore.
“Having been through the journey of having a baby and returning to the sport, I’ve realised that it is possible, and physically it’s actually easier than I expected. It’s obviously demanding and challenging on your body but it’s certainly not limiting, so that was a huge surprise after having Orla, and something that helps my decision in coming back after another baby.
“It’s the stuff around it; the family life balance that sometimes is difficult to manage, but I also think that we’re at the point now, three years after having Orla, that we know what we’re doing and we feel like we can manage more, and we actually enjoy that.
“It’s been quite an emotional experience, actually. Talking with Trek and telling them about my pregnancy, they gave me their complete support.
“I first told Ina, my sports director, and her immediate response was ‘That’s f***ing awesome, congratulations!’ That took me back, really. It meant so much to me personally to have that support. I’m a professional athlete in a professional cycling team, but the support feels very personal and I’m incredibly grateful.”
Here are Ale’s Spring-Summer collection highlights including the tartan ‘Scottish jersey’
Ale has unveiled its new 2022 Spring-Summer line up with the focus being on aerodynamics, sustainability and new colours.
Part of Ale’s R-EV1 top-end line, the Velocity Jersey uses high-tech graphene materials. “The closed circuit of graphene (graphite nanoparticles), in direct contact with the cyclist’s skin, equalises the body temperature, facilitating heat dissipation,” Ale claims. Bacteriostatic properties are also said to improve hygiene and prevent unpleasant odours.
To help reduce injuries in the event of a crash, the Pro Race Strong shorts feature strategically placed panels made of Dyneema which is a lightweight abrasion-resistant fabric.
Moving over to the PR-R collection, the Green Speed jersey uses 90% GRS (Global Recycle Standard) approved fabrics and includes a fourth eco-pocket on the side to store empty packs of energy bars and gels as well as any other small waste.
To match it, the Green Speed shorts are said to provide some muscle compression thanks to their multidirectional stretch. The new GREEN 4H pad features a green fabric for the upper layer, and offers a 100 kg/m3 density for support.
The Stones Cargo bibshorts in the Gravel range use the durable Sapphire fabric and feature side pockets to carry essentials.
Ale’s Scottish jersey is said to combine the comfort of a T-shirt with the technicality of a standard bike jersey, and comes in a tartan finish – what do you think of this look?
More new kit...
David Millar’s apparel brand CHPT3 has launched a women’s specific Studio Collection for indoor training, which keeps the functionality of technical cycling apparel but also takes inspiration from other fitness areas such as running, yoga and pilates.
The new line features three main pieces including waist Shorts (£89) in two lengths, Crop Top (£59) with an extra wide under-bust panel and SL Training Top (£49) with a dropped tail and armholes in two colourways.
“Keeping it very clean and sporty with minimal branding, the tops from this collection could easily be worn to and from the gym as athleisure wear,” CHPT3 highlights.
“Many women that use fixed bikes both at home and at the gym have never worn a padded short and may have experienced some discomfort,” CHPT3 found in its research. The new CHPT3 shorts have an indoor specific cycling pad for added comfort while exercising.
“Then there are women who wear the same bib shorts they wear for outdoor cycling but will roll the bibs down as their core body temperature rises, so we wanted to create specific cycling apparel for indoor training,” CHPT3 adds.
CHPT3 has removed bib straps in favour of a high waisted band and has added features including a small pocket for a gym card or locker key. Millar’s wife Nicole says, “the material is so soft and thin I can go straight from a bike session to either yoga or gym session and not feel ridiculous even with a padded short.”
Cycling UK tackles Highway Code misinformation
The #HighwayCode doesn’t advise cycling in the centre of the road.
It advises cyclists to ride in the centre of their lane in some situations – not to deliberately slow drivers, but to boost visibility and ensure cars can only pass when safe to do so.
👉 https://t.co/BXWOQbD6ji pic.twitter.com/J0XiLKBOev
— Cycling UK (@WeAreCyclingUK) February 22, 2022
Since and prior to the Highway Code changes coming into effect a few weeks ago, much has been made about the revised code in the media and on social media, with misinformation or misunderstanding a common theme.
> Press misrepresents Highway Code changes – just days before they come into force
Days before the changes, two major newspapers, the Evening Standard and Express, ran stories incorrectly suggesting motorists face being fined under a new law regarding the ‘Dutch Reach’ technique for opening a car door so not to hit passing cyclists…
Meanwhile, the Daily Mail published an “error-strewn” Richard Littlejohn column attacking cyclists and the changes.
We’ve also heard from various figures, both pro and against the revised Highway Code, that changes have not been properly communicated to the public. An AA poll found one in three of its members are still unaware of the new rules.
UK charity Cycling UK aims to offer “clear, accurate and memorable messaging” of the new changes to make more road users aware of, firstly, what they are, and secondly, how and why they will “make our roads significantly safer for people walking and cycling”.
In the video, Cycling UK address four key changes, including the Hierarchy of Road Users, passing cyclists, junction priority and the Dutch Reach. The charity has also been spreading the message with social media posts, like the one at the top of this update…
Yes but ‘centre of the road’ is a far more inflammatory term for the tabloids.
— Gary James Ⓥ (@Tradescant) February 22, 2022
Tadej Pogačar wins summit finish...but what's Filippo Ganna doing?
Tadej Pogačar was on fire 🔥
Stunning numbers from the Slovenian on @uae_tour first uphill finish 🇦🇪🏔
______#UAETour pic.twitter.com/OrMevQSQe7
— Velon CC (@VelonCC) February 23, 2022
It’s hardly going to win ‘shock of the year’ but Tadej Pogačar won this lunchtime’s summit finish at the UAE Tour, outsprinting Adam Yates, Aleksandr Vlasov and *checks notes* Filippo Ganna atop Jebel Jais.
Relative underdogs Ruben Guerreiro and Damien Howsen also earned top five finishes, but it was Ganna’s 11th place on the 19km summit finish that had us all wondering where his ceiling lies?
Admittedly, Jebel Jais is a fairly shallow climb on a smooth surface, averaging less than 6 per cent, where drafting is very helpful and we often see a large group contest the finish. But 80kg+ powerhouses?
Ganna missed out on taking the race lead by just two seconds as Pog pulled on the red jersey by virtue of his stage win bonus seconds. Tomorrow and Friday should give Cav and the other sprinters their final chance for stage wins, before the week-long stage race concludes with a tougher summit finish atop Jebel Hafeet on Saturday.
How he did it...
This nearly blew up our power trackers. Utterly incredible from Filippo Ganna 😲
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🇦🇪 #UAETour pic.twitter.com/RpZdzrDbtk— Velon CC (@VelonCC) February 23, 2022
Now if Velon could just dig out Steffan Bissegger’s numbers from yesterday…
Public debate around proposed Irish cycle lane turns "toxic", councillor reports abusive phone calls and "vitriolic attacks"
Galway councillors have reported “vitriolic attacks” and “toxic” debate around a controversial new cycleway in Salthill, which was rejected by the council recently. The proposed route, which was voted against by councillors, featured sections of one-way vehicle traffic and would have provided a major segregated route for cyclists.
It was rejected after a lengthy debate, with a report showing 63 per cent of locals opposed the plans. Now, Cllr Colette Connolly, who is the city’s mayor, said she was on the receiving end of “vitriolic attacks” from those who opposed it, while those supporting measures were “denigrated as crazy cyclists” who did not work or pay taxes.
“I got abusive phone calls, mostly [from] women . . . launching into vitriolic attacks,” the councillor said.
The Irish Times reports the politician was “completely disappointed by the recent council vote which has “set this project back by a year or many years”.
Meanwhile, colleague and fellow independent councillor Mike Cubbard said he received voice messages from an individual saying he had “failed as a parent” for not supporting the proposal.
Mark Cavendish: I went from being the best in the world to one of the worst overnight
Mark Cavendish has done an interview with Spanish newspaper Marca off the back of his nomination for the Laureus World Sports Awards’ Comeback of the Year title, talking about his comeback to the top table of the sport.
“This nomination is an incredible recognition. Records are not my goal; every victory is simply the result of hard work,” Cav said.
“I went from being the best in the world to one of the worst overnight. I was misdiagnosed and mismanaged by people I trusted in an old team and it pretty much wiped out everything physically that I had worked for, and along with that came mental health issues.
“As an athlete, I can cry about my hard times, but that’s what a comeback does, when you’ve had hard times. I’m fortunate to have been able to come back like this. A lot of people are in a position where they are still struggling. All I can say is don’t give up.”
The winners of the Laureus World Sport Awards will be announced in April. Cavendish is up against fellow pro rider Annemiek van Vleuten, Tom Daley, Simone Biles, Sky Brown and Marc Marquez.
Jeremy Vine makes a friend (not)...
Ten years of cycling on London roads, 80 miles a week, and still I’m surprised by this move — you’d think a “professional” driver would have learnt a little courtesy pic.twitter.com/wdRkTkluWu
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) February 23, 2022
UK cycling market soared to new heights during the Covid-19 pandemic, Bicycle Association impact report shows
The Bicycle Association (BA) has released its 2021 cycling impact report, driven by market data service numbers gathered from retailers across the country.
The numbers show double-digit growth across all categories, although the total number of bicycles sold was down on 2019. The full report is available to purchase from the BA, with the association’s executive director Steve Garidis saying: “Our data proves that if you remove half the cars, vans and lorries from our roads, there is a very significant nascent demand for cycling.
“It also proves that without significant policy intervention to correct the car-centric, heavy traffic status quo, cycling growth will be held back in the UK.”
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@Astralstroll The hierarchy of road users does not mean priority of road users except in certain circumstances, e.g. stopping to let pedestrians cross junctions before turning. It doesn't mean that cyclists have priority over motor vehicles at all times any more than the pedestrians have priority over cyclists at all times. It certainly doesn't mean that you have priority in the circumstances you describe; personally, unless the driver is being a complete dick, on a narrow country lane I accept that it is easier for me to turn around and go back to the nearest passing place, which is never that far if you're on a bike, than for a tractor or other large vehicle to reverse back down the road for my benefit.
If you were spending that much money on the device the obvious thing to do is to book a couple of hours in a velodrome for testing in a stable environment, I can't understand why Road.cc tried to do it outdoors.
@chrisonabike 'Minimisation' please!
@Astralstroll The Hierarchy of Road Users, announced with great fanfares in 2022, has been rendered into complete fiction by the attitude of the police: there is this hierarchy/ priority list but we don't take it seriously and if drivers ignore it we don't care! The same applies to the ludicrous notice of close-passing - No KSI'd cyclist = No Offence ttps://upride.cc/incident/lwa190_minicooper_hierarchy/
Hope Barcelona keep the transport improvements (they've been making for a while) coming! Better streets, more infra to help active travel where necessary. And while it's a major investment (though can be lower operating cost than busses) maybe more trams where they can. That may be more effective in making places active travel friendly and replacing taxis than mass public bike hire. They've a good start with 6 lines already.
I think this is a positive story. They're not getting rid of public hire bikes - they're expanding their in-house one. They're merely kicking out cowboys who've shown they've a lack of interest in the game they claim to be playing. It seems logical that companies whose business model is to extract (venture capital) money by invading public space are even less likely to make the efforts to keep things in order than a local "in house" scheme. (After all the "bikes and riding" part of these schemes always *costs* money, they don't generate it.) So not surprising their experience shows those firms are not particularly motivated to follow the rules - especially when scrapping for "market share". It's nice the European Cyclists’ Federation is thinking about tourists also (i hesitate to say "follow the money...") - as they note, where it's safe to cycle locals will largely get their own bikes. Tourists aren't going to stop coming because lack of public bike share - I think this is mostly a "nice to have" ("hey - why don't we go on one of those bikes there? ").
Harm minimization - at least they're not driving...
I'll counter that by saying the Bryton 750se I have drives me nuts at times. Inconsistantly picks up on routes created on Komoot and the app re-syncs every few seconds when trying to set up the device and sends me back to the home screen. The most infuriating one is that I turned live track on. Once. It now won't turn off and repeatedly flags up the live track is starting, and then disconnecting every few seconds whilst riding. I haven't timed it but it wouldn't suprise me if 10-20% of the time the the screen is covered with an error message. That's been about 6 weeks now. Other than that it's great :/
RE: Police launch road safety operation... by clamping down on cyclists using footbridge Meanwhile in Glasgow, Police Scotland are riding their motorbikes over the pedestrian and cyclists only bridge. https://x.com/FietserGlasgow/status/2065106152917012523?s=20
@Paul J Van Schip certainly seems a bit of a dick, but he's a European and multiple World Champion on the track, pretty sure you don't get there without having some talent in your legs.
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I’m not convinced that Mr
I’m not convinced that Mr McKenna will get to do his bucket list this year, given Russia’s apparent territorial ambitions…
Let’s all hope that he can.
Let’s all hope that he can.
brooksby wrote:
I was on a train between Belgrade and Zagreb about six months before Croatia and Slovenia declared independence from Yugoslavia and remember some *very* heated political discussions going on between other passengers in the compartment (one spoke English so relayed what was going on between the Serbs and the Croats).
That, and going past some sidings with flatbed wagon after flatbed wagon with M-84 tanks loaded on them (updated version of the Soviet T72).
I’m not sure I’d be planning a trip to the Baltics right now.
Or maybe he can do the same
Or maybe he can do the same route; he just won’t be able to say he visited 12 different countries!
OnYerBike wrote:
I think if any of those countries have disappeared in the next few months, then disruption to travel plans might be the least of any of our concerns.
The issue is more likely to be problems at border controls and potential military movements in the Russian portions of the route.
mdavidford wrote:
agree with this, If I were planning this trip, as much as St Petersberg might be a beautiful place to visit I would not be planning to enter Russia, and looking at Ferry crossings from Helsinki to Tallinn. Probably bypass Kalininingrad, by going away from the coast to go from Lithuania to Poland directly
The way it’s going, he might
The way it’s going, he might be able to do several more 😉
You are in danger of doing a
You are in danger of doing a ‘Liz Truss’ and confusing the Baltic area with the Black Sea.
Lukas wrote:
Given that many analysts are saying that if Putin gets away with this one he will start turning his attention towards the Baltic states, sadly possibly not.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Indeed. I’m staggered every time I hear people talking along the lines of “Putin wouldn’t go that far”
With little response from Europe or teh US to this invasion (which has been clear has been brewing for years – wtf does everyone think the annexation of the Crimean Peninsula was about) what on earth makes people think that Vlad will be satisfied, if he believes he can take another bite?
Rendel Harris wrote:
When I turned on the radio* this morning I knew it was only a matter of time before Russia invaded these comments.
* Like a podcast but for old people.
chrisonatrike wrote:
Some of us are old enough (or at least have fathers who are old enough from whom we’ve picked up the habit) to still call it the wireless…
chrisonatrike wrote:
/sarcasm=on
Well, Putin has been strongly condemned by everyone now, so I’m sure he’ll just call his armies back home.
/sarcasm=off
Did anyone read the report about how the UN Security Council was halfway through a meeting about ‘what to do about Putin’ when the news broke that they’d properly invaded. That would be the UNSC with a Russian chairman at present…
Lukas wrote:
Why do you think the British Army has been taking part in exercises in Poland, Estonia and other Baltic States for the past few months……
Captain Badger wrote:
The British Army? What? Mike, Bob, and John??
brooksby wrote:
I think John is on annual leave and Mike’s got to cover the Middle East too.
chrisonatrike wrote:
Can’t we just get some agency cover in?
mdavidford wrote:
Good idea. I found these chaps? Their line says they’re a bit busy at the moment for some reason though.
I thought we’d already tried and failed (particularly in The City) to follow the advice of this poem. I just can’t understand why – after we’ve so gladly given their money a home – they’d be so contemptuous of us…
brooksby wrote:
No just Mike and Bob. John is the Navy now, and is busy fixing a puncture in the rubber dinghy….
I think Mike is covering for the airforce at the moment – she’s on holiday
Lukas wrote:
Right because with sanctions, and possible armed conflict with Russia in Ukraine, it would be no problem whatsoever, so just cycle throgh St Petersberg
“Oh those Russians down near the black sea are doing bad things, but that is nothing to do with these Russians”
Bissegger might have hidden
Bissegger might have hidden power, but he’s not hidden calories burned or time. Assuming he’s roughly as efficient as the average human (he’s probably more efficient) he put out ~460W.
If I understand this article
If I understand this article correctly, Strava estimate calories based on power output and “a coefficient for human efficiency”. So if you’ve used the same efficiency coefficient, you should have correctly back-calculated the power. However, that’s a big “if”.
https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216917097-Calorie-Calculation
Strava’s calories estimates
Strava’s calorie estimates are next to useless I find. If Bissegger was putting out 460W when he weighs 77kg that would be 6w/kg, low for a pro over a sub-10 minute effort (Froome in his pomp, for example, could regularly put out 6.25w/kg for 30 minute spells during a long stage). I’d guess he was closer to 7 w/kg (539w), which sounds mad but TrainingPeaks has top pro figures as between 6.8 and 7.6 w/kg for 5min efforts, so not impossible.
Drivists know it means centre
Drivists know it means centre of lane, they just call it ‘centre of road’, being generous, it’s akin to door vs wing mirror. Alternatively they just put the most -ve spin on it.
Yesterday I saw a car stop at
Yesterday I saw a car stop at a traffic light controlled pedestrian crossing, even though the lights were green for vehicles, and start waving at a group of pedestrians to cross.
Much beeping of horns and frantic waving from pedestrians telling the driver to just keep on going! The mainstream media have caused a lot of trouble with their inaccurate reporting of these new rules.
I assume you mean a light
I assume you mean a light controlled crossing on a straight stretch of road, rather than at a junction – in which case that’s clearly not affected by the rule change. However, I will confess I was surprised to see Ashley Neal suggesting that the rule does apply when turning at a light controlled junction, or when entering / exiting a roundabout. Not saying it’s wrong, but until I saw his video it hadn’t occurred to me that I should give way in those scenarios to a pedestrian waiting to cross.
Why wouldn’t it apply
Why wouldn’t it apply entering / exiting roundabouts?
They are still junctions
I think the reason it hadn’t
I think the reason it hadn’t occurred to me / a reason you could argue it doesn’t apply at roundabouts is because:
I appreciate that roundabouts are a form of junction, in the natural sense of the word, so you could argue that the section on roundabouts simply adds specific rules on top of those which apply to all junctions. However, if you are now supposed to give way to pedestrians waiting to cross at roundbaouts, it seems odd that Rule 187 wasn’t amended in the same way as rule 170 to make that clear.
Yep, just a standard pelican
Yep, just a standard pelican crossing on a straight road, no junction in sight.
I found that video of Ashley Neal’s a bit wide of the mark. He started inferring that it only applied at junctions where there was a dropped kerb, which is not the case in my view.
Then made some comment about it only applying at traffic light controlled junctions where there wasn’t a beg button, which I don’t think is correct either.
I think he’s right about roundabouts though. The existing HWC says to watch out for pedestrians crossing the entry/exits and give them ‘plenty of room’, which kind of infers priority.
Yeah, I didn’t agree with his
Yeah, I didn’t agree with his drop kerb thing either. And the idea that we have to assess whether there is a beg button before deciding whether to give way is… problematic. I’m really not sure re: roundabouts – the rule you cite (which didn’t change) refers to pedestrians who are crossing, but not to those waiting to cross, per my reply to oldfatgit below.
All in all, I agree with your other, more recent post – although there’s some clickbait misinformation and poor drivers whipping up a storm, I think there are also some points which could do with further clarity.
I don’t think he is right.
I don’t think he is right. In the rules for drivers junctions ( rules 170 to 183) are a different chapter in the HC to Roundabouts (rules 184 to 190). Therefore, I would say should be treated differently by peds.
That’s not to say that he can’t be courteous.
Was it the lights in front of
Was it the lights in front of the Bull? Saturday before last we’d stopped on the market square and decided to head for coffee out the back of the Bull. Car stopped to let pedestrians across whilst still on green and we just did a “sheep like” follow (pushing our bike to be clear, so technically peds). Driver on the other side, was then forced to stop and was going mental, edging forward and reving his engine. It was quite funny really.
Yep it was! To be fair, there
Yep it was! To be fair, there’s often issues there.
Quote:
If I turn my head to 45 degrees and squint a bit, it looks sort of vaguely familiar…
Quote:
I realise there’s nothing strictly wrong with this, but for some reason it really grates with me.
I agree, for me it should be
I agree, for me it should be “for and against” or “pro- and anti-“
HWC changes:
HWC changes:
If 1 in 3 AA members are unaware of the changes, then they aren’t going to take any notice of efforts to correct the mis-information.
Oldfatgit wrote:
I’d say that all those that took the survey are now aware of changes – it is their responsibility now to check teh detail
In fairness, teh RW press have done everyone a favour. By kicking up such a fuss they’ve ensured that the changes have been fantastically advertised
I do think there will be some
I do think there will be some further changes to the HWC, as there are a few areas where the new rules are not quite clear.
One example is this sort of crossing, which has a ‘give way’ type marking on the shared use cycle track. The new rules seem to imply you would have priority if you were a pedestrian, but would have to give way if you were a cyclist…
I’d wondered about that too.
I’d wondered about that too. There are a few entrances/exits and side roads on the shared-use path alongside the A369, on my commute, which have been marked up with those give way signs.
If they do take precedence then the new rules mean absolutely nothing to anyone cycling on that path.
Of course the markings on a
Of course the markings on a shared use path may not always be visible to drivers from the main road, so they should be slowing just in case anyway…
I know those yellow bollards
I know those yellow bollards are used around MK and I think universally means that cyclists should give way. Is this the case in other regions – ie quiff’s point, other than that how a driver would know he has priority?
Of course that doesn’t help if a jogger runs out.
IanMK wrote:
Or if a cyclist does a high speed dismount to run across the road, then re mount while rolling.
Obviously not an option in spd shoes.
We had an odd one yesterday,
We had an odd one yesterday, we were on the more minor road at a marked cross roads of minor roads, and a Land Rover Discovery, no less, stopped to lket us across.
To be honest, it is a pet hate of mine where people don’t follow priority except in limited circumstances (there were no other cars around and traffic was minimal so no expectation of having to wait after the car), but it seemed to us that the driver may have misunderstood the new highway code.
Lots of sightings of drivers giving way far more to pedestrians – whereas before at a roundabout it was rare for a motorist to stop short to allow a person to cross to or from the central island, this is becoming far more common, and I do think passing has improved.
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For anyone struggling with
For anyone struggling with this “centre of the road” vs. “centre of the lane” thing Edinburgh Council are here to help you out with an explanation in the form of cycling infra. Although on second glance I think this post is more “taking secondary”:
chrisonatrike wrote:
Are you sure that’s not “taking the p!ss”?
https://www.avonandsomerset
https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/news/2022/02/dashcam-and-witness-appeal-after-cyclist-dies-in-a372-collision-in-westonzoyland/
In case anyone knows anything relevant?
“Now, Cllr Colette Connolly,
“Now, Cllr Colette Connolly, who is the city’s mayor, said she was on the receiving end of “vitriolic attacks” from those who opposed it, while those supporting measures were “denigrated as crazy cyclists” who did not work or pay taxes.”
Not just the UK then.