“The car rules”: Parent branded an “apologist for car violence” after blaming dad and kids on cargo bike for collision; Zebra crossing fiasco; Dodging drivers in the cycle lane; Big metal box beauty contest; UCI’s climate charter + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
‘Get in the bike lane!’ ‘But you’re in it!’: Just another day of dodging drivers in the cycle lane
Just another day of trying to avoid London driver while cycling along CS3… pic.twitter.com/hgHHK5BnDO
— Cycling in London (@Cycling_In_LDN) November 17, 2022
“Get in the cycle lane 😡😡” yeah when you get out of it
— Cycling in London (@Cycling_In_LDN) November 17, 2022
And on the subject of terrible cycling takes, TikTok appears to be a goldmine.
“Now they know how we feel when they drive on a road when there is a cycle path,” wrote one apparent veteran of anti-cycling bingo.
Two users pointed out that yesterday’s spot of bike lane driving may have just been an “honest mistake” – and that the cyclist in question was “being a bit of a bully” – while another rather intellectual TikToker said that the motorist “should have stuck his foot down on the break [sic]” and sent the cyclist flying “over the Bonet”.
Not too sure what Movistar veteran Lluís Mas Bonet has to do with any of this, but there you go.
What a surprise TikTok is full of bad takes pic.twitter.com/Eb01OXsdsa
— Cycling in London (@Cycling_In_LDN) November 17, 2022
Finally, the aptly named mrsausage67 concluded that the driver was in the right all along, as “in fairness he does pay road tax”.
He obviously spends too much time reading the BBC and the Guardian…
Dan Lloyd’s new wheels
Got myself some new wheels, eBay special.
Unfortunately it’s not electric, I have to use the hefty power in my left leg. pic.twitter.com/FaHQu4BOiH
— Daniel Lloyd (@daniellloyd1) November 17, 2022
Hopefully the GCN presenter’s new set-up is safer than his cyclocross bike…
Some big metal boxes are more equal than others
metal boxes with wheels on outside – fine, metal boxes with wheels on inside – not fine https://t.co/81tvs5ULHp
— Jo Burt (@VecchioJo) November 17, 2022
For anyone not keeping up to speed with the latest cycle hangar-related shenanigans in Brighton and Hove (though I’m sure you are; it’s not like there’s anything particularly newsworthy happening at the moment), a resident has persuaded the local council to not put one of the new bike storage units outside her home… because she says they’re “unattractive”.
> Hove woman persuades council not to locate “unattractive” cycle hangar outside her home
But the five Range Rovers parked diagonally on the pavement are pure beauts, of course.
However, climate change activist Leo Murray may just have the perfect solution:
@bhlabour @BrightonandHov3 would this be more suitable for you? https://t.co/sTzsHdbSa5
— Cllr Steve Davis💚💚 💚 (@WithdeanGreens) November 17, 2022
Dude, where’s my bike? Ehhh… parked at Oxford station
It’s almost impossible to extract your bike from Oxford station bike park. And there’s usually something stolen off it. When can we have an upgrade? pic.twitter.com/tkrBBszsm8
— Kate Seal (@ktclcb) November 17, 2022
You should speak to Utrecht. They have a few ideas: https://t.co/e04w1eRbfW
— Karim Dia Toubajie (@karimtoubajie) November 17, 2022
Thomas De Gendt’s final tweet?
It’s perhaps fitting that everyone’s favourite Stelvio king-turned-breakaway merchant-turned-breakaway killer-turned prolific avant garde tweeter would bow out of the bird app with a post like this:
I hate it when someone starts a long tweet, telling their story and i start to get invested in this story and i look forward to the end of the story to know what happened but the tweet has a start but doesn’t have
— Thomas De Gendt (@DeGendtThomas) November 18, 2022
Deliveroo suddenly collapses in Australia – leaving thousands of delivery riders jobless
Thousands of delivery cyclists in Australia are scrambling to find work after Deliveroo suddenly shut up shop in the country earlier this week.
The Guardian reports that the food delivery company announced that it would go into administration and stop operating in Australia immediately on Wednesday. Deliveroo’s Australia website was wiped overnight, while its app no longer functions, shocking partners, customers and even its employees.
Delivery riders told the Guardian that they had been given no notice of the plans to close the company. The decision, which comes after the business ceased operations in Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, and Taiwan, has affected up to 15,000 delivery workers.
“I was working in the morning, stopping at midday and then suddenly when I wanted to start working again, this notification pops up on the screen of the app,” Deliveroo rider Rodrigo told the Guardian.
“And I went to the emails [to] check [and they said] that they cease immediately, effective immediately. So, I couldn’t even finish the day yesterday.”
A member of the Transport Workers’ Union, Rodrigo said that the Australian government should do more to improve the rights of delivery cyclists and other gig workers.
“We’ve been fighting so hard against these kinds of companies,” he said. “They are exploiting us and they are not treating us like workers. So we don’t have rights. We don’t have any benefits, nothing at all. We are not even considered workers for them.”
> Deliveroo cyclist attacked by knife-wielding teenager after collision
Dr Rob Nicholls, an associate professor at the University of New South Wales, noted that delivery workers will likely suffer the most from the company’s abrupt closure.
“No restaurant is going to say ‘well, if Deliveroo is out of the game, we’ll stop using a delivery service’,” he said. “They’ll shift to one of the other big three services almost certainly.”
The Transport Workers’ Union was also scathing of Deliveroo’s approach to its two-wheeled employees.
“Deliveroo’s sudden and cowardly act, treating workers as callously in exit as it did in operation, highlights the urgent need for the federal government to enact gig reform,” the union’s national secretary, Michael Kaine, said this week.
“Transport workers were hit first and hardest by the gig tsunami and are now being left high and dry by Deliveroo at the first indication that it can’t rely on exploitation to make profits.”
The Twittocalypse: Intermarché joins the fun
We will survive this. #RIPTwitter pic.twitter.com/vIITGYWa2Z
— Intermarché-Wanty-Gobert (@IntermarcheWG) November 18, 2022
Celebs on bikes
We love spotting a famous face enjoying a bike ride over here on the road.cc live blog and, by the looks of things, so does London’s Cycling and Walking Commissioner Will Norman:
Celebs spotted on bikes: can anyone do better than Beyoncé? https://t.co/ZrV9LmbkCY
— Will Norman (@willnorman) November 18, 2022
Shhh… keep it quiet, but there’s a rumour going around that the Destiny’s Child singer (because it’s still 2002 in my head) is currently working on a new single, ‘Cycle the World’.
I’ll get my coat…
80 signatories, including leading race organisers, commit to UCI’s new climate action charter
The UCI has today confirmed that 80 stakeholders – including race organisers, federations, and teams – have signed the world governing body’s new Climate Action Charter.
ASO and RCS Sport, the organisers of the Tour de France and Giro d’Italia respectively, are among the charter’s most notable signatories, along with Belgian race chiefs, Flanders Classics.
By signing the charter, the organisations have committed to reducing professional cycling’s harmful environmental impact, by promoting active travel to combat climate change, reporting and measuring their climate footprint according to international standards, reducing waste and energy demand, and increasing sustainability.
WorldTour teams Bora-Hansgrohe, BikeExhange-Jayco, Trek-Segafredo, Bahrain-Victorious, Israel-Premier Tech, and UAE Team Emirates have all committed to the new charter.
The Ineos Grenadiers are not among the 80 founding signatories.
“I am delighted that so many stakeholders have already committed to our UCI Climate Action Charter,” UCI President David Lappartient said in a statement today.
“Our aim when adopting this Charter was to unite cycling’s stakeholders to reduce our sport’s emissions and help slow climate change. We need to work together, learn from each other and collaborate on solutions for the shared challenges we face to achieve climate neutrality for our sport.
“It is clear from the early response that our stakeholders share our concerns and desire to contribute to a better world, and I look forward to seeing the list of signatories lengthen.”
The UCI’s Climate Action Charter, and its eight key commitments, can be viewed here.
Seven-day cycling world record broken – through a hurricane
Round-the-world cyclist Leigh Timmis completed his latest record-breaking adventure last weekend – by cycling a mind-boggling 2,230 miles in seven days… three of which were slap bang in the middle of a hurricane.
“In the early hours of Sunday 13th November, the team and I broke the seven-day cycling world record,” Timmis wrote on Facebook earlier this week.
“With a total of 2,230 miles, we added 19 miles to the existing record set by Arvis Sprude in July this year.
“What makes this record so impressive is that for three days of the record attempt every mile was affected by Hurricane Nicole. A storm of this magnitude has not made Florida landfall in November for many years, but this one dumped some of the worst wind and rain on Highway 41 since 1932.
“Despite this, we dug deep, dynamically changing strategies to bring home the world record.
“It was a gargantuan effort by all involved and I owe a huge thank you to the road team – Christian Aucote, Sally Carter, Dan Smith and Jack Hague. Four amazing, professional, passionate, and enthusiastic people.”
I feel shattered just reading that…
Oh great, another ‘avid cyclist’…
I’m a cyclist and even I find this behavior aggravating af. pic.twitter.com/FvmRg6dveM
— 𝐆𝐫𝐞𝐠 🏳️🌈 (@CasuallyGreg) November 17, 2022
Thank you for your avid service. We really need more white male gatekeepers like you to tell other people the proper way to use a bicycle.
— Peter Flax (@Pflax1) November 18, 2022
Good job at giving the anti-cyclist crowd more ammo to be aggressive towards riders. Thankful to have an avid cyclist like you on our side.
Smart strategy!
— Gravel Influencer (But not a privateer) (@noahleavitt) November 18, 2022
On that note…
> Rishi Sunak “an avid supporter of cycling” claim his supporters
But don’t worry, justice will be served
Appeal to trace cyclist following a collision that occurred on Shorton Grange Road
Cyclist has illegally ridden on the pedestrian crossing causing minor damage to a passing carpic.twitter.com/1gk3ovpLux
— Sandford Police (@Sandford_Police) November 17, 2022
NB. Before you get the pencil sharpener out to complain, Sandford Constabulary is the fictional police force from Hot Fuzz.
Though, sometimes it is hard to tell…
West Yorkshire’s most infamous zebra crossing strikes again
Part one:
Horton Grange Road, West Yorkshire. How does the driver fail to see him?
pic.twitter.com/bVuxIYbnVW— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) November 17, 2022
And part two:
What the HELL is going on with this zebra???pic.twitter.com/eJLNGrmaav
— Jeremy Vine (@theJeremyVine) November 17, 2022
Top tip: Don’t read the replies (Ah Twitter, we’ll miss you when you’re gone…).
Meanwhile, the Labour MP for Bradford East, Imran Hussain, told the Guardian that he is “absolutely horrified” by the above videos of motorists hitting both cyclists and pedestrians at the crossing on the city’s Horton Grange Road.
“I’m absolutely horrified to see this catalogue of incidents where cars have hit pedestrians on what is a well-marked and visible zebra crossing on Horton Grange Road, and it is evidently clear that we need to see much tougher action against those who seemingly have no problem with violating the rules of the road,” Hussain said.
“For too long, a minority of dangerous drivers in Bradford have been blighting Bradford’s roads and making the lives of the majority of responsible road users an absolute misery, and I’ve been pressing both Bradford council and West Yorkshire police to implement a number of road safety measures at accident blackspots in my constituency, while also pressing ministers to impose tougher sentences for dangerous drivers.”
A spokesperson for Bradford Council also told the newspaper that it is currently awaiting funding to convert the zebra into a signalled crossing with traffic lights, with work set to commence “as soon as we can”.
“Nope. Has to be the bike at fault”: School run victim blaming reaction
Today’s latest example of anti-cycling victim blaming – which saw a parent at a school point the finger at a cargo bike-riding dad and his kids after they were, wait for it, struck by a motorist pulling out of a car park – has got plenty of you talking in the comments section.
It was in fact two children, and the father and his children were hit by a car coming out of the school car park. I just raised it in one of the parent whatsgroup and instantly got this back: blame the victim!! The car rules pic.twitter.com/eE3IOuIYA5
— Pauline von Hellermann 🌳🌴🌹🌻🌍 (@PHellermann) November 17, 2022
“Ah, the good old ‘the speeding cyclist is at fault because they were travelling at less than two-thirds of the speed a car would be’ chestnut,” wrote BalladOfStruth.
“How can people not understand that when you perform a manoeuvre, that you are responsible for ensuring it is safe to do so,” asked hawkinspeter. “If you can’t see that it’s clear to pull out, then either wait until you can see or get someone to guide you out – it’s not difficult.”
On the subject of the school’s apparently abysmal parking situation, Patrick9-32 wrote: “‘It’s impossible to park safely’, so car drivers park there anyway, putting their own children’s lives at risk rather than walking any distance from a safe place to park or even, heaven forbid, from home.”
“‘It’s impossible to park safely’ usually translates to ‘it’s perfectly possible to park safely, but I can’t be bothered to walk 100 metres, so I’ll park dangerously’,” replied BalladOfStruth.
Finally, nosferatu1001 summed the whole thing up: “I love the fact how the cars are parked badly, that this is a known issue to everyone including the driver pulling out, still doesn’t make the poster think it’s the cars at fault.
“Nope. Has to be the bike.”
Every. Time…
“Blame the victim! The car rules”: Parent branded an “apologist for car violence” after blaming dad and kids on cargo bike for collision with motorist outside school
“Just to point out…”
When you see those four small words crop up in a conversation about cycling or road safety, whether it’s on Facebook, Twitter (RIP), or even the local parents’ WhatsApp group, you know it’s never going to be pretty.
Well, we’ve got some Victim Blaming 101 to kick off the last live blog of the Twitter era (before we all revert to fax machines and Teletext, I presume) and this one is a classic of this most unfortunate of genres.
A father cycling his child to school – wearing reflective great, nee cargo bike, everything – was hit by a car outside school just now. Both came off bike – not sure how injured. It is so extremely upsetting.
— Pauline von Hellermann 🌳🌴🌹🌻🌍 (@PHellermann) November 17, 2022
Yesterday, Pauline von Hellermann, a lecturer in environmental anthropology, tweeted that a father riding a cargo bike to school with his two children in Eastbourne was struck by a motorist pulling out of the school’s car park.
According to Pauline, the dad and children were knocked off their bikes in the collision and taken to hospital by ambulance. They are reportedly fine but, understandably, left “very shaken” by the incident.
It was in fact two children, and the father and his children were hit by a car coming out of the school car park. I just raised it in one of the parent whatsgroup and instantly got this back: blame the victim!! The car rules pic.twitter.com/eE3IOuIYA5
— Pauline von Hellermann 🌳🌴🌹🌻🌍 (@PHellermann) November 17, 2022
However, after alerting other parents at the school in their shared WhatsApp group, Pauline was met with the following – rather startling – response: “Just to point out the bikes race down that hill and if a car pulling out onto the road with cars parked up either side dropping off as they can’t possibly park safely to drop off makes it very difficult to see a bike coming down the hill especially at speed.”
The message continues: “Unfortunately or fortunately the lady in the car had just pulled out. I agree something needs to be done but equally bike riders need not all but some[!] to slow down and equally be traffic aware.”
Wow, a lot to unpack there. But it gets worse.
Pauline replied to our victim-blamer-in-chief: “To be honest I would be surprised if a father with two children on a cargo bike would have been racing down the hill.”
Victim-blamer-in-chief’s reply?
“You would be surprised.”
> Sajid Javid blames father of five-year-old cyclist for letting child ride on road in viral video
Needless to say, the last of the Twitter users weren’t impressed with this response, described as “revolting” and “soul destroying”, with one branding the victim-blaming parent “an apologist for car violence”:
Oh, that’s a soul destroying response 😔
— Clare Tweets 📚🗺⛺️ (@ClareCJJames) November 17, 2022
What an apologist for car violence
The posting of a fool
— Jez Briggs (@Jezter1982) November 17, 2022
It’s just bizarre that people think like this. It’s as if cars have more ‘rights’ than people
— 💧George Crisp (@DrGCrisp) November 17, 2022
No, no, no, no! Cyclists cannot ever cycle in a way that justifies someone pulling out of a school park in a way that hits them without it solely being the driver’s fault. A school car park is hazard awareness zone taught in every driving lesson.
— Leonie Troke (@TvHLeonie) November 17, 2022
That’s how they’re taught to begin missives when studying at Karen University.
— *Big sigh* (@CouldntBeArsed1) November 18, 2022
You should agree and “just point out” that this is a strong reason to have cars banned within 500m of the school grounds.
Then thank her for her support in championing such an excellent safety Initiative.
— *Big sigh* (@CouldntBeArsed1) November 18, 2022
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If there is an issue with water ingress as the review suggests, forking out another £500 on ceramicspeed bearings will be £500 down the drain. The response of Scope doesn’t exactly inspire confidence either.
The Grimsby man's views are symptomatic of the inherent unfairness of cycle lanes taking away and suffocating the freedom of other road users. If you're on wheels, you should generally share the same road space (except for designated off-road areas). It annoys other road users if cyclists don't use the rubbish, unfit for purpose nonsense that councils have installed at great expense. Because many drivers haven't experienced these awful facilities themselves, they mistakenly identify cyclists as self-entitled wind-up.merchants, rather than people just trying to avoid poor infrastructure.
And even swung in as they passed 🤦♂️ Police action - warning letter to the company, didn't even identify the driver. This is in Kent - they seem as bad as Lancs.
Some of their drivers are feckin dangerous.
He "never thought of that" and "some of my best friends are" . Sounds like he doesn't think of much and is just blinded by his hatred into inventing things. Why is road.cc giving him air space!
Barry Shitpeas (Philomena Cunk's sidekick) was a very prescient character. Basically a quarter-wit expressing ignorant opinions without any understanding of the issues at hand, with ample doses of Dunning-Kruger.
Never mind the police - many cyclists (at least in the UK) would be totally unfamiliar with a velomobile, so perhaps police can be forgiven for ignorance there. (I've "normal" recumbents and even those cause lots of head-turning). And for "e-things" the tail of the market is very much wagging the dog of regulation. Or rather there's almost zero political interest in that. In an ideal world someone would find the money and time to get the police trained - but I wonder if most of them even keep abreast of things like the highway code wording tweaks? (Do those not specialised in road policing / pursuit driving get any more training than the average driver eg "enough to pass the test, once per lifetime"?)
I thought that the lengthy technical downhill section on narrow roads was a poor piece of organisation. It was inevitable that faster riders with their team car would catch up with team cars of slower riders. Riders passing each other was a bit of a lottery at times. The camera motorbikes struggled to get out of the way at times.
It's not a 'statement' though - it's road.cc's words, based on l'Equipe's interpretation. The actual statement issued on it said that the judge authorised it "guaranteeing strict proportionality between the infringements on the rights of the athlete and the stakes of the fight against doping in terms of fair competition and protection of his health."
Trust me Callum, if you'd grown up watching the Tour in the 1980s, as I did, you would not be hankering after those long flat stages that weren't even as exciting as watching paint dry, it was more like listening to paint dry. As for the supposed benefits of those long TTs, what did they give us? Indurain winning five Tours in a row without winning a single road stage in any of them. As McT says below, you simply can't Pogacar-proof a course and we just have to accept, and enjoy, the fact that we are watching the greatest GT cyclist of all time. Anyway I think it has been a great Tour so far, yes no enormous drama about the inevitable winner (though of course Vinegaard and now Lipowitz have shown us that anything can happen) but just about every day has had a fascinating plot and multiple subplots. Some time in the future there will be another Indurain-style winner, playing it cautious, following moves, making incremental gains and winning without ever lighting up the race and we'll be saying I wish the old days of Pogacar making those spectacular solo breaks were back.
39 thoughts on ““The car rules”: Parent branded an “apologist for car violence” after blaming dad and kids on cargo bike for collision; Zebra crossing fiasco; Dodging drivers in the cycle lane; Big metal box beauty contest; UCI’s climate charter + more on the live blog”
“It’s impossible to park
“It’s impossible to park safely” so car drivers park there anyway, putting their own children’s lives at risk rather than walking any distance from a safe place to park or even, heaven forbid, from home.
“It’s impossible to park
“It’s impossible to park safely” usually translates to “it’s perfectly possible to park safely, but I can’t be bothered to walk 100 meters, so I’ll park dangerously”.
BalladOfStruth wrote:
But but but won’t you think of the children? You have to park dangerously because it’s not safe to park safely and walk your kids because of the dangerous parking. What about the disabled kids or parents? Their parents have to drive and park there because they can’t get a mobility vehicle / wheelchair from further away because of all the parked cars. It won’t be fair to poor people because rich people will monopolise the closest parking spaces or buy nearby houses so poor people will have to park a mile away (is this right?) It will increase pollution because all the cars will be in one place and create a traffic jam (er…) …
Patrick9-32 wrote:
I love how the fact cars are parked badly, that this is a known issue to everyone including the driver pulling out, still doesn’t make the poster think it’s the cars at fault. Nope. Has to be the bike.
How can people not understand
How can people not understand that when you perform a maneouvre, that you are responsible for ensuring it is safe to do so. If you can’t see that it’s clear to pull out, then either wait until you can see or get someone to guide you out – it’s not difficult.
Fun read on Streetsblog.
Fun read on Streetsblog.
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/11/16/brooklyn-council-member-blasts-cops-for-arresting-famed-bike-lawyer-for-fixing-defaced-plate/
Is there local knowledge for
Is there local knowledge for Any Possible Excuse for why that car was being driven on the ‘segregated’ cycle lane?
There may be reason to
There may be reason to suggest turning into the lane initially was an honest mistake, but once they encountered the first oncoming cyclist at 0:17 seconds, on a bright blue, clearly marked cycle lane, any remotely competent driver should have realised their mistake, put their hazards on, slowed down to a walking pace and looked to get out of the lane. There is zero excuse for continuing to drive at oncoming cyclists at what looks to be around 20-25mph.
brooksby wrote:
tHeY PAy RoAd TaX
Ah, the good old “the
Ah, the good old “the speeding cyclist is at fault because they were travelling at less than two-thirds of the speed a car would be” chesnut.
In the most important bike
In the most important bike news of the day, my (road.cc recommends) Jack the Bike Rack finally arrived this morning.
Not wanting to plant an
Not wanting to plant an earworm, but how long has this been goin’on?
I wanted one for my birthday, and I suspect it’s now too late to get one for Xmas!
PS IS it as good as it looks?
I’m 99% certain they’re not
I’m 99% certain they’re not available on general sale yet – just now arriving with people who backed them on kickstarter (just over a year ago in my case).
And I’ve not actually unboxed it yet…
I expect people are too busy
I expect people are too busy complaining she’s on the pavement and not wearing hi viz or a helmet to realise who she is.
https://twitter.com/EmilyKerr36/status/1593518105199788032
Best thing there is that she
Best thing there is that she’s just riding on “a bike”, a bog standard hybrid, not some hand-crafted artisanal steel framed beauty…
Absolutely. And she has a
Absolutely. And she has a rack and mudguards.
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Naw teeeee!
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Naw teeeee!
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Police update on the kid
Police update on the kid cycling on the zebra crossing
Appeal to trace cyclist following a collision that occurred on Shorton Grange Road Cyclist has illegally ridden on the pedestrian crossing causing minor damage to a passing car
(btw sandford police is from hot fuzz. I got caught out on this !)
and further down that thread
and further down that thread – there’s another video of it happening again at the same zebra!
Joking aside, shocking thread
Joking aside, shocking thread from Mark Hodson
https://twitter.com/markandcharlie/status/1593584746642161669
And another one (same
And another one (same crossing) in the Mark Hodson thread hirsute linked to. This looks like the crossing: https://goo.gl/maps/YmFquetGtRK3D8Xg6.
If we don’t come down ‘ard on
If we don’t come down ‘ard on these cycling ninjas, we’ll be up to our balls in RLJ’ers!
“And if it’s not yoofs riding
“And if it’s not yoofs riding across zebra crossings and damaging cars, it;’s them bleedin’ infants in push chairs. ‘Kin liberty, I tell you. Is nowhere safe for a car tax payer now?”
Bike box Karen.
Bike box Karen.
Put the bike box in the slots outside her neighbours house.
Is this the story everyone
Is this the story everyone was on about yesterday?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/18/footage-of-cars-hitting-pedestrians-at-bradford-zebra-crossing-horrifies-mp
brooksby wrote:
I’m puzzled about the response of “convert the location to a signalled crossing with traffic lights”. The problem isn’t the type of crossing, but the drivers. What they should be doing is setting up CCTV and prosecuting any driver that doesn’t give way to people crossing the zebra.
Looking at street view there
Looking at street view there is a junction in play for either direction, so a competent driver would be slowing already and checking for hazards.
(and I’ll just throw this one in
“Growth can only come from the workers producing goods according to national plans set by the representatives of the proletariat.” )
hirsute wrote:
We’re in end-stage capitalism now. As the wealth gap grows ever bigger it can only end in civil war unless the ultra-rich realise that being taxed is a far nicer alternative than what usually happens.
hawkinspeter wrote:
Fact check: the Gini coefficient (the best known inequality measurement) has been falling since the financial crisis – source https://www.statista.com/statistics/872472/gini-index-of-the-united-kingdom/#:~:text=In%202021%2C%20the%20United%20Kingdom's,higher%20score%20implies%20more%20inequality.
A higher Gini score implies a greater level of inequality.
The Coefficient is about the
The Coefficient is about the same it was 3 decades OK. So neither brexitty or austerity has done anything it was supposed to do.
hawkinspeter wrote:
I think thale ultra-rich must be realising exactly that. I can’t think of any other reason why inequality metrics would stagnate (and in some cases actually fall) and ultra-rich people start giving away their wealth (e.g. Gates, Scott, Bezos). I don’t believe that these people just *decide* to be different.
ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:
It’s a tricky thing to boil down to just one number, but the FT reckons it’s increasing: https://www.ft.com/content/d52743ca-c669-4c71-941f-8281230a21b5
hawkinspeter wrote:
Please stop with the eminently sensible suggestions. There must be a million reasons why this can’t be done, it most definitely couldn’t be made to pay for itself in fines and the improved safety would cause far to much inconvenience to hard pressed motorists!
There’s not much money once
There’s not much money once you get out of London.
I’m pretty sure that zebra
I’m pretty sure that zebra crossings are for pedestrians, not cyclists..
grOg wrote:
So you’re saying that cars aren’t allowed on them either?
How is this justice ?
How is this justice ?
https://www.norfolk.police.uk/news/latest-news/drink-driver-jailed-after-fatal-collision-stalham
The mother’s victim statement
The mother’s victim statement is heartbreaking.
I’m guessing a licenced driver?
And the car was registered and insured?
I should hope with a Lexus RX
I should hope with a Lexus RX SUV he could afford the required insurance.