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Near Miss of the Day 840: Cyclist narrowly avoids collision with motorist who doesn't wait at roundabout

Remind us which direction we give way to at roundabouts?

With Salford's new 'cycling roundabout' the talk of the road.cc live blog the other week, today's Near Miss of the Day serves as a reminder of the dangers we hope to avoid at 'normal' roundabouts...

Comparing it to Near Miss of the Day 838 — where a rider in full hi-vis and with lights was inexplicably unseen by a driver at a mini-roundabout — road.cc reader Richard told us he had noted an improvement in Gloucestershire Police's response to this submission, with the force "actually taking action" and sending out a prosecution notice.

> Near Miss of the Day 839: Pickup driver screeches to a halt and chases cyclist on foot after rider slapped vehicle during close pass

Having waited six months Richard got in touch with the police to try to find out the outcome of his report, receiving the following reply: 

These cases are dealt with via an educational course or a fine and points.
If you are needed for court we would contact you.

The cyclist told us: "I thought you may be interested in using this for NMotD. Interesting for two reasons. It is similar to Cyclegranny's recent experience [NMotD 838] but more unusually it actually led to Gloucestershire Constabulary taking action.

"I haven't been contacted so I'm assuming it's been dealt with outside of court. The thing that amazed me is that no attempt was made to leave me any room and the driver actually touched the white centre markings.

"It was purely down to me to get out of the way."

> Near Miss of the Day turns 100 — Why do we do the feature and what have we learnt from it?

Over the years road.cc has reported on literally hundreds of close passes and near misses involving badly driven vehicles from every corner of the country – so many, in fact, that we’ve decided to turn the phenomenon into a regular feature on the site. One day hopefully we will run out of close passes and near misses to report on, but until that happy day arrives, Near Miss of the Day will keep rolling on.

If you’ve caught on camera a close encounter of the uncomfortable kind with another road user that you’d like to share with the wider cycling community please send it to us at info [at] road.cc or send us a message via the road.cc Facebook page.

If the video is on YouTube, please send us a link, if not we can add any footage you supply to our YouTube channel as an unlisted video (so it won't show up on searches).

Please also let us know whether you contacted the police and if so what their reaction was, as well as the reaction of the vehicle operator if it was a bus, lorry or van with company markings etc.

Dan joined road.cc in 2020, and spent most of his first year (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. At the start of 2022 he took on the role of news editor. Before joining road.cc, Dan wrote about various sports, including football and boxing for the Daily Express, and covered the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Part of the generation inspired by the 2012 Olympics, Dan has been 'enjoying' life on two wheels ever since and spends his weekends making bonk-induced trips to the petrol stations of the south of England.

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wtjs | 1 year ago
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road.cc reader Richard told us he had noted an improvement in Gloucestershire Police's response to this submission, with the force "actually taking action" and sending out a prosecution notice

Richard got in touch with the police to try to find out the outcome of his report, receiving the following reply: 

These cases are dealt with via an educational course or a fine and points

The NIP is just another deception by the police- in the end, they just end up with a course or an 'advice letter'

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Bungle_52 replied to wtjs | 1 year ago
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I'm pretty sure you are correct, however, will the fact that they have been given a NIP make them more careful around cyclists in future. I suspect the answer is yes. It's not long ago I had someone tell me that I had to get out of her way because I was on a bike, "it's in the highway code".

Any action at all is unusual for my submissions which, as you know, I have detailed on the forum here https://road.cc/content/forum/reporting-traffic-offences-298075. The thing that puzzles me is why this one has been given a NIP while others, which have been just as dangerous from my point of view, have not.

Any way, have a good Christmas and we'll hope for better support from our respective forces in the new year.

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mrchrispy | 1 year ago
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had simlar this morning, girl/lady just looked right at me and pulled out despite it being a give way juntion...literally eye to eye contact. shes getting reported tonight....GMP should get the ticket out to her sometime Friday so with luck it'll land a couple of days after Christmas.  Happy New Year 

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marmotte27 replied to mrchrispy | 1 year ago
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"girl/lady just looked right at me"

Now I see why this is called "near miss"...

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wtjs replied to mrchrispy | 1 year ago
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GMP should get the ticket out to her sometime Friday so with luck it'll land a couple of days after Christmas

I am rather unimpressed by this confident expectation- GMP is like Lancashire, so it could be an advice letter or nothing at all. I would be happy to be proved wrong. See above what happened over 'Richard's NIP'!

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Rik Mayals unde... replied to wtjs | 1 year ago
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If it's anything like Lancashire it'll be fuck all, just lame excuses such as their favourite one, "It's not in the public interest" aka we can't be arsed.

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Bungle_52 replied to mrchrispy | 1 year ago
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Glad you are OK. Thanks for reporting it and good luck. I would be very interested to hear the outcome of the report when you get it.

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nordog | 1 year ago
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Had that a few times on a mini-roundabout all young mums as they fetch their Child, School times are by far the most dangerous for us cyclists. 

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NotNigel | 1 year ago
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Yep, standard mini roundabout procedure when on a bike - be prepared to give way to traffic entering on your left..

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Miller | 1 year ago
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Looks like normal driving to me, lol, but maybe I have low expectations. 

> Why they carry on once they've clocked that the cyclist isn't, as expected, giving way to them, is another question

They do carry on, though, and in general they will not even look at you although they know you are there. 

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CyclingGardener | 1 year ago
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Not even sure all of these are either SMIDSY or even SMIDGAF - just that there are a few drivers who genuinely, and completely without malice, believe that they do not have to give way to cyclists. Why they carry on once they've clocked that the cyclist isn't, as expected, giving way to them, is another question . . .

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cyclisto replied to CyclingGardener | 1 year ago
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I think there is a measure that could somehow mitigate such situations. All new able bodied motor drivers would have to complete a 5km bicycle commute in urban traffic without any shared cycle lanes. Cost would be almost zero as no extra training would be required. If there was a way to enforce such a thing happening once per year, such driving would be mostly eradicated

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PhilipTaylor replied to cyclisto | 1 year ago
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cyclisto wrote:

I think there is a measure that could somehow mitigate such situations. All new able bodied motor drivers would have to complete a 5km bicycle commute in urban traffic without any shared cycle lanes. Cost would be almost zero as no extra training would be required. If there was a way to enforce such a thing happening once per year, such driving would be mostly eradicated

 I totally agree but there would be too many drivers claiming spurious disabilities to get out of it. The solution? VR, complete with actuated bike platform and exhaust generators. I genuinely think this would be the most effective way of eradicating all of the "just wasn't thinking" incidents that drivers cause. This would free up resources to catch and prosecute the (thankfully relatively few) genuinely dangerous and aggressive drivers 

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lonpfrb replied to cyclisto | 1 year ago
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A true progressive licence system is the logical outcome of the Hierarchy of Responsibility. It also aligns with the Institute of Advanced Motoring best practice of multiple mode experience.

  • Walk
  • Run
  • Cycle
  • Motorcycle
  • Car
  • Van
  • Small Truck
  • Bus
  • Big Truck

Will ensure that responsibility on the highway is correctly understood...

Of course, no politician has the charisma and courage for that!

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Secret_squirrel replied to lonpfrb | 1 year ago
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You forgot Horse & Donkey.

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Oldfatgit replied to lonpfrb | 1 year ago
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The progressive license already applies to goods vehicles
You must have had a car license for a minimum of two years before you can apply for provisional LGV.
They changed the law in the 90s that split LGV in two - rigid and trailers.
In order to get a C+E (artic and drawbars) you must have a C (rigid over 7.5t) first.
However, there is no requirement to have driven small trucks upto 7.5t before full-on LGV.

Car 2years
C1 - goods vehicles up to 7.5t
C - rigid goods vehicles over 7.5t
C+E - articulated and C with a trailer

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nniff replied to CyclingGardener | 1 year ago
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That's another classic 'two moving objects on a constant bearing relative to each other will collide' - the cyclist stays on the same line relative to the driver's A pillar and the driver didn't see him because they didn't move their head.  Again.  Lack of driver due care and attention.  "He came out of nowhere" - how many times have you heard that?

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Car Delenda Est replied to CyclingGardener | 1 year ago
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You can't claim SMIDSY if you react to the cyclists.
Best to just pretend they don't exist and let their self-preservation instincts do the rest.

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