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Magic roundabout or tragic roundabout? New "novelty" cycling roundabout hasn't gone down well; Cyclist maps 109-mile Father Christmas Strava art across Paris; New bike day; Ride with Remco (virtually) + more on the live blog

It's the start of a new live blog week... Dan Alexander will be getting things up and running this Monday morning, with editor Jack Sexty dipping in throughout the day...
05 December 2022, 16:41
When you miss the joke...
05 December 2022, 15:55
What the very expensive novelty cycling giftin' what now?!?!
Campagnolo Corkscrew Gold

Yes that is Campagnolo's famous and already quite cliché and very expensive corkscrew, and yes it is now covered in gold. We won't give you the price just yet, you will have to wait for the full story for that I'm afraid... 

05 December 2022, 15:23
Cycling roundabouts: some more reaction and your thoughts
manchester cycling roundabout (screenshot via Harry Gray)
(Harry Gray)

The court of public opinion hasn't been too kind to Manchester's new cycling roundabout since we first saw it last night. Has that changed? To cut a long story short: na, not really. 

HLaB said: "With that cycleabout or whatever they want to call it, do they honestly think abled bodied Folks won't follow their desire lines and cross to the middle or go round it clockwise? All the design does successfully is to inconvenience the less abled bodied." 

hawkinspeter added: "That roundabout does look unnecessary. The large space in the middle seems unnecessary unless they want to turn it into a mini park with a bench or something. The route round is quite narrow in places - I wonder if that'll cause issues with trikes?" 

Car Delenda Est says: "I'm thinking it's there to allow push and wheelchairs a direct route across rather than making them go around. That said I feel that it would probably be an improvement for everyone if the island had a dropped curb the whole way round."

Any cycle roundabout fans care to add some balance? Keep your comments coming in as always... 

05 December 2022, 15:14
Magic roundabout or tragic roundabout?

Poll Creator

For no rewards, prizes or acknowledgement at all beyond us having a quick glance at the results later if we have time before clocking off, take part in our poll on the idea of cycling roundabouts!

05 December 2022, 14:44
Italian pros remember Davide Rebellin

Formolo, Trentin and Co. shared this pic on Friday, it's couple of days old now but still more than poignant enough for a share. For the latest on the tragic Rebellin story...

> Lorry driver who killed Davide Rebellin reportedly got out of cab, looked at dead cyclist, then drove off

05 December 2022, 14:22
Be a cool kid by training with Remco on Bkool this evening
Remco Evenepoel (via Bkool)
Not an illustration of actual training session

Of course we mean virtually unless you happen to live with the prodigious Belgian, and if you're a current Bkool user or want to hastily sign up to it on a 30-day free trial then the ride will start at 5pm UK time/6pm CET. 

We're told that Remco, who is so talented that he made our prestigious list of footballers who cycle ahead of the World Cup starting last month, will be on his team issue Specialized Tarmac SL7 in 3D during the group training ride, and those joining will also be able to kit themselves out with the same bike and gear using Bkool's new virtual store. 

In one of those polished press statements that we doubt he actually said at all, Remco said': "I am really looking forward to joining my fans on the virtual road on Monday.

"I train a lot of my rollers, and to be able to ride with my fans, who have shown me so much love and support, will be a lot of fun. BKOOL have really taken care of the details, by making my virtual kit and bike available, and I hope everybody is looking forward to riding as much as I am." 

The ride will take place on a virtual version of the Verona time trial at last year's Giro, and you can head over to Bkool to find out more if you fancy it. 

05 December 2022, 14:01
"Thank you Cav": Quick-Step make send-off video for Mark Cavendish as sprinter's future is uncertain

As emosh as this nice little edit is, Cav would probably prefer a place on a World Tour team to go for that Merckx-beating Tour de France stage win, as any chance of him appearing at the 2023 Tour looks to be slim right now. 

As we reported on Saturday, the boss of the B&B Hôtels-KTM team that Cavendish was rumoured to be joining next season told current riders they were free to look for work elsewhere, after "main stakeholders" reportedly pulled out of the project. 

Jérôme Pineau reportedly remains hopeful that a final major sponsor will come on board, but we're hearing this is increasingly unlikely. 

05 December 2022, 11:15
"At best a comedy novelty thing": This "unnecessary" cycling roundabout hasn't gone down well

Drumroll please...

Harry said this interesting infra has popped up in Salford, Greater Manchester, and while "really happy with the rest of the scheme on Trafford Road" he told us the "cycling roundabout seems a bit overkill"...

Some suggested the roundabout aspect seems a bit unnecessary...

Another going as far to say it "has clearly been designed by people who don't know much about bike infrastructure".

Cue the Photoshop...

Thoughts? 

05 December 2022, 08:57
Cyclist maps 109-mile Father Christmas Strava art across Paris

I doff my (Santa) hat to you once again, Anthony Hoyte...

The Strava artist behind some of the best festive GPS masterpieces has added another to the collection...

 

Setting off at half four on Saturday morning, Hoyte (the pedalling Picasso) racked up 13 hours of moving time, finishing just after 8pm that evening as he drew the 109-mile long Santa across the French capital. Taken at an average speed of 13km/h presumably due to the quite ridiculous amount of navigation involved, Anthony's 'Pedal-powered Père Noël' burnt him 3,261 calories and amassed 1,129m of climbing.

Hoyte's past works include:

Snowman via anthony Hoyte on Strava.jpg

> Strava artist pedals through London's streets to sketch huge snowman

Strava Anthony Hoyte reindeer art - via strava.PNG

> Cyclist Anthony Hoyte creates epic reindeer Strava art

Anthony Hoyte
Anthony Hoyte

That's a lot of brilliant hours planning routes... now go hit that kudos button...

05 December 2022, 09:52
BEAT the wind: 7 route planning hacks for better road bike rides
05 December 2022, 09:41
New bike day

 

05 December 2022, 09:42
Weekend round-up: Bike thieves hit TikTok; Cav's future uncertain; Your next home trainer?; Tech of the Week + more

Ah Monday...

If you switched off your devices all weekend in favour of I don't know, God forbid, actually going for a bike ride, here's what you might have missed...

TikTok account gloats about stealing bikes using bolt cutters in Runcorn, Cheshire (TikTok, runny.dingers.tc)

> "Lock it, still lose it": TikTok account gloats about stealing bikes from school

Back on Cavwatch and things don't look great, with sources this weekend saying the Manx Missile "100 per cent" won't ride for Jérôme Pineau's controversial B&B Hôtels project, which appears to be on the brink of implosion due to lack of funding...

Wahoo Kickr Smart Trainer v6

> REVIEW: Wahoo Kickr Smart Trainer v6

Two MPs have urged their fellow politicians at Westminster who support active travel to "practise what they preach" by calling for the UK to emulate the likes of Germany and Denmark by installing more "secure, accessible and sufficient" cycle parking on the parliamentary estate.

2022 Dec 3 Tech of the Week (1)

> Following huge investment, is Classified's front mech-killing Powershift system really going to take over? Plus the £15,000 3T/Lamborghini collab and more from Rapha, Zéfal, GripGrab...

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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Annaanna | 1 year ago
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Everyone whinging, but presumably they were trying to give bikes and pedestrians clear delineation, especially bikes coming from Broadway crossing.

Might not be perfect, but better than it was.

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Car Delenda Est replied to Annaanna | 1 year ago
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Some good points have been raised about adaptive and cargo bikes maybe not being able to make the tight turns for the exits.

But overall I'm happy to see infrastructure that is too safe and overbuilt rather than the complete opposite that we're used to.

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Annaanna replied to Annaanna | 1 year ago
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And they don't get everything perfect in NL. The multi story bike park in Utrecht needed redone (inc. narrow entrance and crappy radius on bends.) 

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Owd Big 'Ead | 1 year ago
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More shite infrastructure!
The "cycleabout" is the bastard lovechild of a car based civil engineer doing what they have always done, allegedly speeding up traffic flow from a motoring perspective.
With such great examples of how to do it just the other side of the English Channel in the Netherlands, Germany, even France, its amazing that we still get it so, so wrong here in good old Blighty.

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JustTryingToGet... | 1 year ago
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I want this for the UK... for starters. Can anyone planning world domination any time soon make it happen. Ta.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/05/speeding-motorists-austria...

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Sriracha | 1 year ago
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I suppose the roundabout clearly communicates to pedestrians that they will be crossing a cycle lane, so hopefully fewer will just step out oblivious. That said, the design seems to go out of its way to force pedestrians to cross the cycle lane, since the pavement pinches out around the periphery.

And the nearest resident's hedge is occupying half the width of the pavement proper.

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chrisonabike replied to Sriracha | 1 year ago
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Sriracha wrote:

I suppose the roundabout clearly communicates to pedestrians that they will be crossing a cycle lane ...

It clearly communicates to pedestrians that cycling is something odd and will inconvenience them as much as cars and their infra.  Only worse because we've all got so used to cars and roads we don't "see" them and the space they take up.

It clearly communicates that no-one is working to national cycling design standards, just like they would if e.g. this was a road, or a railway.

It clearly communicates that we're prepared to give people who don't understand cycling chunks of precious active travel money to waste.

It clearly communicates that designers don't understand the parameters and requirements for transport cycling - indeed they seem hazy about the concept of a bicycle.  (The whole thing - but look at the kerb height!)

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Mungecrundle | 1 year ago
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Whoever designed that roundabout probably didn't study civil infrastructure engineering beyond pre-school.

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mattw | 1 year ago
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Someone looking for a career change to the Grade Separated Junction department.

If it's in Salford, shouldn't Chris Boardman or one of his sidekicks have had a say?

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HLaB | 1 year ago
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With that cycleabout or whatever they want to call it, do they honestly think abled bodied Folks won't follow their desire lines and cross to the middle or go round it clockwise  7 All the design does successfully 👎 is to inconvenience the less abled bodied 👎👎

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Patrick9-32 replied to HLaB | 1 year ago
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Don't forget, it wastes money and allows people to point at it as an example of why money should not be spent on cycle infrastructure and how cyclists don't obey the rules when people inevitably don't use it as intended. 

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Car Delenda Est replied to HLaB | 1 year ago
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How does it inconvenience the less able bodied?

I assumed the design was that way to give the less able bodied a direct way to cross.

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Hirsute replied to Car Delenda Est | 1 year ago
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Less abled bodied can also be cyclists.

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Car Delenda Est replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Sorry I still don't understand how this would unfairly inconvenience a less able bodied cyclist.

Tbh unless someone can actually give specifics I'm inclined to think this is just another case of using the disabled as a cudgel against cycle infra.

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chrisonabike replied to Car Delenda Est | 1 year ago
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I'd say this one has 3 issues.  None terrible but compounding all 3 makes it a bit rubbish.  TBH if you fixed the first one this would all be fine, 1 and 2 it'd be top class UK infra!  Bicycle Dutch explains the issues in video form.

1) (For everyone) - the roundabout is not needed AND it's in your way!  Unless strictly necessary just don't put stuff in the bike paths.  Plus it will confuse everybody which is not what you want in infra.
2) (Also for everyone) - catching a wheel or pedal on a kerb is not good.  Where kerbs are higher (here) or vertical (here again) this is more likely to happen and cause a problem.
3) Depending on the radius of the turn this might be an issue for people with e.g. trikes or other adapted cycles which don't have a great turning circle.  Even if you can making a sharp turn on a trike is can be more difficult for some you need to shift about to balance.  Several entrances to this look rather narrow (given the space available).

They appear to have put in reasonably dropped kerbs with tactiles and most of these seem to have flat fronts, so it's probably OK in a wheelchair (see here on that subject).

2) and 3) can come together e.g. you need to take a wider line which puts you closer to the high / unforgiving kerb.  Also things other than standard cycles may be more likely to have smaller wheels and can have more issues if they do hit a bump.  Or lower bottom brackets so lower pedals.

In general Ranty Highwayman's your man for some accessibility kerbnerdery.  He's explained issues with e.g. navigating some dropped kerbs with a 3-wheeler (can't find links ATM).  I don't think that's the issue here as it doesn't look like you'd need to use the dropped kerbs but again these may be tricky if you did.

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Car Delenda Est replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Ah thank you I didn't know about the turning radius issue.

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chrisonabike replied to Car Delenda Est | 1 year ago
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No problem. In many cases "more accessible" is actually "better for *everyone* " - albeit at a cost in extra space usage / slightly slower or less direct for the fit.

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Surprised you didn't have bob from accounts pic

"The empty, abandoned cycle lanes of London. Tragic"

//pbs.twimg.com/media/FjIXBAaWAAAD_rc?format=jpg&name=900x900)

 

"How long did you have to wait to get that shot"

"quite some time ; )"

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Samtheeagle replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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And yet the counter states 2,678,999 cyclists past that point this year. Way to fail in making a point.

 

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Hirsute replied to Samtheeagle | 1 year ago
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They were being sarcastic - see the final 2 sentences.

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makadu replied to Samtheeagle | 1 year ago
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Samtheeagle wrote:

And yet the counter states 2,678,999 cyclists past that point this year. Way to fail in making a point.

 

sarcasm is obviously wasted on you

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Simon E replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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hirsute wrote:

Surprised you didn't have bob from accounts pic

I can never click or select those links on Desktop so here's a link to the tweet for grown-up computers:

https://twitter.com/BobFromAccounts/status/1599366130061017088

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hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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That roundabout does look unnecessary. The large space in the middle seems unnecessary unless they want to turn it into a mini park with a bench or something. The route round is quite narrow in places - I wonder if that'll cause issues with trikes?

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Freshmn09 replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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Looks pretty terrifying if there is the slightest build up of leaf matter or touch of frost!

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Car Delenda Est replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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I'm thinking it's there to allow push and wheelchairs a direct route across rather than making them go around.

That said I feel that it would probably be an improvement for everyone if the island had a dropped curb the whole way round.

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chrisonabike replied to Car Delenda Est | 1 year ago
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I'd probably do the equivalent of this if someone asked me to knit a sweater.  But I'm not being paid sums of public money to do so.  Nor will anyone need to wear my defective creation.

BicycleDutch has some thoughts on this - yes, a few people tried it over there.  No, it isn't a good idea and does lead to confusion at least.

https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2015/03/10/a-bicycle-roundabout-that-...

https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2018/07/24/a-bicycle-roundabout-in-bo...

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Bmblbzzz replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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The Dutch example at least looks like a proper roundabout in scale, whereas the Salford one is more of a mini-roundabout. Or mini-mini-roundabout. Micro-roundabout? A good site for a bench and a picnic table perhaps.

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Car Delenda Est replied to Bmblbzzz | 1 year ago
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Microundabout

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Car Delenda Est replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Those aren't applicable examples as the island isn't pedestrianised, which is what necessitates the roundabout in this case.

It's not what I'd come up with from a clean sheet, but tbh they just need to drop the kerbs and make the island shared and it'll essentially be freestyle when there aren't pedestrians using it. Which is what it defacto is right now anyway.

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chrisonabike replied to Car Delenda Est | 1 year ago
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Why does the island need to be pedestrianised?

To me this looks like someone having the thoughts "bikes are like tiny cars" and "because bikes are like tiny cars we need to get the pedestrians out of the way protect the pedestrians from them... we need a pedestrian reservation!"

I'm wondering why (apart from the examples of "how not to do it") AFAIK nothing similar is seen in a country with many more cyclists, just across the sea?  Could there be something special about the area which explains this unique creation (genuine question)?

EDIT - just had a thought - this is Manchester where they "reinvented" the Dutch roundabout so that pedestrians were on the inside.  I wonder if this is either to facilitate something like that or because of that kind of thinking e.g. "we need to swap the pedestrians to the outside and the cyclists to the inside..."?

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