Driver charged over three incidents of cyclists rammed in road rage attacks; Councillor demands mandatory helmets and ‘road tax’; Movistar pro’s wounds from Vuelta barbed wire crash; Sir Chris Hoy gets a cargo bike; Paralympic gold + more on the live blog
SUMMARY
Councillor demands mandatory helmets and 'road tax'...accuses cyclists of 'splitting hairs' when educated on the fact there is no such thing
If Boris to rewrite Highway code to favour cyclists fine, BUT law must mirror their responsibility on the road and other road tax playing motorists safety so HELMETS MUST BE MANDATORY!!
— C19 GET SERIOUS!! Judes Butt (@JudesButt) August 25, 2021
Let’s start Friday with some local politics silliness. Cllr Judy Butt from Poole’s hot take stemmed from the proposed Highway Code changes that will see cyclists given priority at junctions when travelling straight ahead. It will also establish a hierarchy of road users, with those with the potential to cause the most danger to others deemed to have greater responsibility.
“HELMETS MUST BE MANDATORY!!” is Judy’s price for the changes and she couldn’t help herself having a sly point about the “law must mirror their responsibility on the road and other tax playing (sic) motorists safety”. Yes, sometimes it does seem like we play road tax when talking about cycling online.
In fairness to Cllr Butt she was happy to engage on the subject (if you can give a local politician credit for explaining controversial their opinions?)
Saves lives and if precedence given to cyclists then they need to be responsible and like motorist not all of them are! Re Road Tax if you want to hair split fine but cyclists pay nothing to use the roads..now there’s a gov revenue opportunity!! https://t.co/oOYrbkJPR6
— C19 GET SERIOUS!! Judes Butt (@JudesButt) August 25, 2021
And here it comes…
Road tax clearly the generic term for the £30 to over £200 paid by motorists each year depending on car to put yr car on the road. Cyclists pay no such levy, if they did perhaps finances would be available to provide better safety measures for them? https://t.co/f0P5IvkS6G
— C19 GET SERIOUS!! Judes Butt (@JudesButt) August 26, 2021
Thanks for this info. I agree there are many other ways too. Thank you for advising me much appreciated. J. https://t.co/AEbxzEZ1jf
— C19 GET SERIOUS!! Judes Butt (@JudesButt) August 26, 2021
Peloton slashes prices as gyms reopening and less need for home exercise sees sales growth slow
Home trainer maker Peloton will slash the price of its flagship model in response to slow sales off the back of gyms reopening and reduced demand for home workouts. The US firm will cut the price by around 20 per cent to $1,495 from Thursday, which will apply to all its markets in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and Germany.
More to follow shortly…
"The school run is about to get a whole lot more fun": Sir Chris Hoy joins team cargo bike
The best way to do the school run. Welcome to the cargo bike club, @chrishoy! pic.twitter.com/z54efcoHZ3
— Adam Tranter (@adamtranter) August 26, 2021
Top comment from someone questioning Chris’ abilities to ride a cargo bike on British roads. Yeah, the six-time Olympic champion and 11-time world champ is going to struggle…
Perhaps they were from Bath Conservatives…who on Wednesday said you can’t use a cargo bike anywhere hilly, only to get shut down by a cargo bike courier who’s been delivering up Bath’s steep hills for years…
And while we’re on the subject of Tories talking nonsense about ‘steep hills’, you might have seen the news this morning that a Camden cycle lane has been voted through despite a Conservative claim the three per cent incline was too severe.
Ribble Cycles sponsors grassroots British CX team
Ribble Cycles has taken on sponsorship of Garden Shed UK – Ribble – Verge Sport CX team as they look to build upon previous success in the upcoming season. Full disclosure, when I first looked at this press release I thought Ribble had sponsored an actual garden shed. Not my sharpest moment. There was me thinking Clive from Telford would be nipping out to get his lawnmower from a Ribble branded shed.
Anyway, Garden Shed UK – Ribble – Verge Sports the cyclocross team was founded in 2019 by Tom Dussek and Jenson Young to offer support and racing opportunities to U23, Junior and Youth riders. Key rider Oli Akers, winner at Koppenbergcross and Youth National Series enters his third season with the team.
Road (race) rage
Ready? FIGHT! #LaVuelta21 🤜🤛 pic.twitter.com/y3Q0359Xaw
— iker gallastegi (@ikguallas) August 26, 2021
Wout van Aert, Mark Cavendish and now world champ Julian Alaphilippe confirmed for Tour of Britain
Bonjour, Julian 👋
World champion and 2018 Tour of Britain 🇬🇧 winner @alafpolak1 🇫🇷 will return to the UK’s biggest bike race this September!#TourOfBritain 🔴🔵⚪
— Tour of Britain 🇬🇧 (@TourofBritain) August 27, 2021
If Wout van Aert and Mark Cavendish wasn’t already enough, Deceuninck-Quick-Step have confirmed their world champion and all round entertainer Julian Alaphilippe is coming to the Tour of Britain as part of his prep for the defence of his rainbow jersey. Some of you may remember Alaphilippe won the race back in 2018, winning the stage into Bristol also.
The race will be the French darling’s final outing in the rainbow jersey, but who’d bet against him defending his crown in Flanders next month? “I am really looking forward to racing the Tour of Britain, which will be my last in the rainbow jersey, that I have been so proud to wear for the last 12 months,” Alaphilippe said.
“I had a successful race in Britain the last time I was there in 2018, and I know it will be a hard-fought race this time. It will be the perfect race for me to take on, ahead of the world championships. We come here with a strong team and will look to race hard, as we always do.”
More Paralympic success in the velodrome
IT’S GOLD FOR KADEENA COX!!! 🥇
She WINS the WC4-5 500m Time Trial and sets a NEW WORLD RECORD in the process!!! 👏#ParalympicsGB #Tokyo2020 pic.twitter.com/U8I3sl8cH9
— British Cycling (@BritishCycling) August 27, 2021
Kadeena Cox followed up on yesterday’s success to add the C4-5 500m time trial to ParalympicGB’s medal tally in Tokyo. The 30-year-old defended her title from Rio, beating Canadian world champion Kate O’Brien’s time by 0.411 seconds.
“I knew I was going to have to do something special, and that if I put everything together that me and my coach had worked on, it would be amazing,” she told the BBC. “I executed a race that was near-perfect – I’m so happy.”
Cycling in Wales up 68 per cent during lockdown, new government report reveals - motor traffic levels dropped to lowest level since 90s
Cycling in Wales increased by more than 68 per cent during 2020 as motorised traffic on Welsh roads fell to levels not seen since the 1990s, according to new Welsh Government research. Cyclists covered more than 320 million vehicle-kilometres (vkm) on Welsh roads last year, compared to 190m vkm the year before.
The trend follows a spike in cycling activity elsewhere in the UK during the Covid lockdown and emergence from restrictions. Interestingly the the number of vehicle-kilometres clocked up by cyclists in Great Britain in 2020 was the highest since 1962.
By contrast, car use in Wales fell by 26.3 per cent during lockdown, with motorists driving over 7.5 billion fewer vkm than in 2019. However, the volume of motorised traffic in Wales was still equivalent to 7,760km (4,823 miles) per person.
Greg Wilson of Quotezone.co.uk commented on the numbers: “It’s extraordinary that lockdown saw cycling increase to levels not seen since 1962, a time when less than 40% of households owned a car.”
Local Bike Shop Day tomorrow: support your local store
Tomorrow is Local Bike Shop Day, an annual celebration to raise awareness of services offered by independent cycle shops across the country and the role they’ve played in supporting cyclists over the past 18 months.
New shop The Bicycle Rooms in Stratford upon Avon is launching this Saturday and will offer free safety inspections all day.
Elsewhere Cycle Solutions Uplands is joined by Gower Gelato, who will be handing out Gelato pots free to customers who spend in store or book their bike in for a service. G64 Cycles in Glasgow is offering 3 for 2 on bike maintenance lubricants/cleaning as well as free lights and a cable lock to any bikes sold on the day.
Friday fail
Be a leader not a follower. 🥴🍺 pic.twitter.com/L4iaYK37uj
— 🍺 Hold My Beer 🍺 (@HldMyBeer) August 26, 2021
Driver charged over three incidents of cyclists rammed in road rage attacks in Adelaide
Nine Australia reports a man has been charged after allegedly ramming cyclists in three seperate road rage attacks in Adelaide. He is also alleged to have lied about his car being stolen.
Police say the white Ford Fairmount was travelling on Lady Gowrie Drive, North Haven at around 6.30am when the driver steered at a cyclist, knocking them to the ground. The rider suffered bruises and grazing.
A short while later a second cyclist was then forced off the road into the verge before a third cyclist was hit by the driver of the same vehicle, throwing him off the significantly damaged bike.
Police arrested a 25-year-old man who has since been charged with endangering life, leaving the scene of an accident, property damage and making a false report to police as investigators dispute the claim his car was stolen at the time of the offences. The suspect is due to appear in court next month.
As good as it gets in the UK?
Not in N Wales🤣 pic.twitter.com/SY4BcOtopZ
— Andy Gudgeon (@andy_gudgeon) August 27, 2021
Name the road, bonus points if you’ve been up it…may as well chuck it on the bucket list if you haven’t…
27 August 2021, 08:04
27 August 2021, 08:04
27 August 2021, 08:04
Here's the full story as promised earlier...
Peloton cuts cost of exercise bike by 20 per cent as losses worsen
Revenue growth is also slowing at firm which saw sales boom during lockdown last year
27 August 2021, 08:04
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Winning GC is irrelevant, what a relief. The best thing about knowing Pogacar will most likely win GC, is that it frees us to focus on all the more interesting aspects the mountainous chess game that is the TDF. The real challenge for all (riders, teams and spectators) will be the hot weather. This might be the last TDF to be ridden in the heat of the afternoon. There will also likely be major climate protests against the rampant sports washing by fossil fuel corporate sponsors that defiantly continue as the core funding strategy of pro cycling, despite all evidence that their products are endangering the health of the greatest grandstand in all sport. Corporate surveillance and AI will not be far behind for protestors in coming years (if not this year), as a world on fire impacted by corporate greed and wilful ignorance towards the human rights of all earths citizens begins to bite; all whist cycling through some of the planets most glorious and endangered lands. The irony is palpable and the suspension of public disbelief seems about to crack. The onus is on the UCI to shift policy. Protests and epic TDF crowds could yet be the deciding factor in 2026.
I had very much enjoyed his rides around Birmingham previously.
A fine career from a great rider, backed by an exceptional team. I hope that we haven't lost him completely from the world of cycling. There were a few solo breakaways, when and where I cannot recall, but they were just great and for me unexpected.
The LBS had a few copies of this when I had to pop in a few weeks back, needed a new rim, grrr. It piqued my interest, I like exploring the Chilterns and beyond and I love cake. Almost purchased. But noticed that the ride description wasn't up to what I liked, and the maps are all navigation app based, not really suited to a luddite such as myself. So I'm going to have to stick to my 1p very tatty copy of Nick Cotton's 24 one-day routes in Berks, Bucks & Oxfordshire. Much less cake based mind, but suited to the way I ride, that and a few local OS explorers.
"Continental’s GP5000 S TR tyres are a stable in the pro peloton" Really? A stable? There's a thing...
It's trying to gazump everyone else in the claim to be 'the fastest bike ever' - what's faster than a bike that can only exist in a particle accelerator?
The writer's name is Ty (handy synchronicity for Ti ) Rutherford, hence Rf. I'd have to have a bike made of an alloy of silicon and tungsten, which does exist, but it's apparently used in computer chips rather than bike frames. Hey ho.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing! Hope you enjoy the bike! Have to ask though, I get the Ti as it’s a titanium frame. But why Rf, a notoriously unstable synthetic and highly radioactive element?
I’m surprised by some of the comments here. I’ve always found Le Col kit pretty decent, from Pro Aqua Zero jerseys to their bib shorts, especially the Pro range.
@mdavidford Quite possibly not, but there might still be 21 yellow jerseys awarded; I'm guessing, for example, that if on Sunday it's deemed too hot for a stage some form of shortened, neutralised parade stage, possibly with a sprint finish, into Barcelona would still be held with a podium ceremony afterwards. If there's any day they absolutely don't ride at all, I'm not sure what the protocol might be.
69 thoughts on “Driver charged over three incidents of cyclists rammed in road rage attacks; Councillor demands mandatory helmets and ‘road tax’; Movistar pro’s wounds from Vuelta barbed wire crash; Sir Chris Hoy gets a cargo bike; Paralympic gold + more on the live blog”
And of course she’s a
Looking at the twitter feed I found this gem from her as part of the ‘conversation’:
And of course she’s a Conservative!
To be fair I think you are
To be fair I think you are misinterpreting that comment. She is responding to a comment that she is a cyclist hater, and saying she hates no one as this is a pointless energy sapping exercise.
My first reading of it was that she said cycling was a pointless energy sapping exercise!
That said, there is a lot of other nonsense she spouts in the thread that needs fact-checking, such as “many cyclists are a danger on the roads”.
As a local councillor she has
As a local councillor she has displayed an abject ignorance of the services provided by local councils, the method of funding and the usage of local roads by differing types of transport.
As to helmets, perhaps she can explain how wearing a helmet makes someone more lawabiding or protects car drivers and passengers.
I take it pedestrians will be wearing helmets as they benefit from the revised highway code and are also injured and killed by car drivers even on the pavement.
I guess there should be a pedestrian tax too.
So, in exchange for the
So, in exchange for the dramatic new changes to the Highway Code (previously it was absolutely fine for drivers to turn left across cyclists at junctions), there needs to be some retribution for cyclists not being killed so often? Is the mandatory helmet like some mark of shame? Or is it more like the Nazis forcing Jews/Gays to bear some visible badge?
Well, at least we can’t disagree about the huge revenue stream that would come from taxing cyclists’ emmissions. I wonder if the government has looked into the potential costs/benefits of such a system?
Judy Butt is clearly a world-class mind and with such progressive views she’s surely the kind of leader we need to help us deal with the world’s climate catastrophe.
I guess she must be
I guess she must be campaigning for “road tax” on electric cars too then? I must have missed it.
I know it doesn’t exist yet,
I know it doesn’t exist yet, but surely as electric vehicles become more prevalent, it won’t be far off. We might have to start quietly dropping that limb of the “road tax” argument.
Ultimately, it will be road
Ultimately, it will be road pricing based on road type, time, capacity and something about axle weight to the fourth power for road wear.
Or just recognise that roads used by cyclists are provided by local councils for which we all pay council tax.
I would think going forward,
I would think going forward, in the short term, there is a stong argument for getting rid of VED entirely and just collecting an emmisions tax through fuel duty. As you say, though, road pricing will come in ultimately.
IanMK wrote:
And at that point, I wonder how heavy the hammer will fall on cyclists?
I mean, we won’t be able to say the VED is a fee on emissions (which is why we don’t pay it on our bikes). And the advanced motoring w*nkers will be all over the media saying how cyclists use the road, and “we” are being charged to use the roads so why aren’t they?
Or will we get evicted from the national roads network…
Discuss 😉
IanMK wrote:
It would have to be the very short term, as hybrid and electric vehicles profilerate. Fuel Duty is currently a huge income stream for the Exchequer, and its loss will have to be compensated.
Road pricing is the rational alternative from many perspectives – it’s just that it’s politically toxic. Elements of it may be brought in by stealth, though. Everyone always wants bold political gestures – yet for important-but-controversial things, it’s often more politically-savvy to be sneaky about it!
Duncann wrote:
A tax based on mileage seems appropriate, multiplied by some indicator of road wear like axle weight, number of axles, etc.
The mileage to be recorded at the annual MOT with the tax added to the bill (like VAT). The annual MOT would have to apply to all motor vehicles, even new ones. Those who prefer could pay monthly in advance by DD with any discrepancy settled at the MOT.
Obviously vehicles that do not legally require an odometer would be exempt, and axle weights below a minimum threshold would be zero rated in any case.
I think you could sell that
I think you could sell that one !
Get the garage to collect the tax on behalf of hmrc sounds a winner for the government.
Rural areas will be up in arms, so whether the tories will vote for it is another matter.
hirsute wrote:
Road pricing usually has an anti-congestion aim as well, so different roads and times of day have different prices. That can help to reduce the cost to rural drivers who have fewer public transport options, but it’s difficult to get right without introducing opportunities to game the system (such as a Londoner driving out just past the M25, using local roads to do more miles and then back in). Then add in the cost of the technology and the privacy issues…
I read somewhere that Sunak
I read somewhere that Sunak has a load of proposed policies (taxes) to reduce CO2 levels. The trouble for the Tories is that they are particularly toxic in the Red Wall constituencies, that are still waiting to be levelled up. I note Labour are pretty quiet on this as well.
IanMK wrote:
I’ve always favoured that approach as polution is directly related to fuel use, and not to claimed emmisisons, or vehicle age or veihicle engine capacity, also removes the admin of collecting it.
There is a case that the switch to electric vehicles by 2050 will leave a hole in government revenue, which might need to be addressed by some sort of vehicle weight x mileage calculation. In addition to any fuel duty.
and if they want to extend this to bikes, based on the weight calc, I would happily pay 0.5% of what I pay for my car for the bike (per mile)
There’s loads of variables
There’s loads of variables for the future of vehicle based taxes.
Switch to active travel, Autonomous vehicles, ebikes, ecargo bikes, rollout of fast fibre negating vehicle trips, lack of parking spaces, wider access to hourly car hire schemes.
Rendel has written about how he has swapped a car for an ebike. My local council are looking at ecargo bike hire (due to the increase in housing in the town centre and lack of parking/car ownership).
If I look at my own car usage, the swap to hiring a car at 10 minutes notice is looking more attractive as the car sits on the drive for a lot of time.
Though quite how you change the mindset if aspiring to car ownership is a very hard one to solve.
hawkinspeter wrote:
That comparison’s both silly and highly offensive. You can resist mandatory helmets (as I do) but comparing it to Nazi treatment of Jews and gays isn’t on. At all.
Rendel Harris wrote:
Not intending to cause offense (except to Jude Butt and like-minded supporters) but I was drawing the comparison to one specific aspect of the Nazi administration whereby the outgroup is made to wear a visible badge. If helmets are mandated then you would face fines and possibly imprisonment for refusing to wear one which is definitely less barbaric than the Nazis’ treatment of outgroups.
My point is that trying to divide people up into different groups (cyclists, motorists) is generally used by politicians to divert people away from the real issues and promote a divided populace in order to promote some particular agenda.
Thinking about it, isn’t that
Thinking about it, isn’t that how the Australians did it?
Their Govt legally mandated a safe passing distance but in return they got mandatory helmets, requirement to carry photo ID, and fines/penalties for cycling offences at about 2-3 times more than those for motoring offences…
brooksby wrote:
Yes, and then strangely enough the poorest demographics got targetted the most by the police. Probably a coincidence that the poorest demographic also tends to be aboriginal.
Its beggares beleif that
Its beggars beleif that these ‘officials’ have absolutley no idea about how the roads are funded? how can this person be an active decision-maker in the council, and not understand the basic principles of how the roads are funded? Beyond a joke.
I am wondering how much is
I am wondering how much is actually funded from local funds as well as national. The VED is national, yet local councils would have some schemes funded locally, so that is via the Community Charge. As cyclists live in houses, then they are paying.
Also on the same reasoning (that’s an oxymoron here), should horse riders also have mandated helmets?
The poll tax stopped in 1992
The poll tax stopped in 1992/93.
Local councils are funded by council tax, business rates, general grant (rsg), specific grants and numerous fees and charges.
Your county council, London borough, unitary, metropolitan maintains and provides the local infrastructure that cyclists use.
alexuk wrote:
To be fair to the woman, she only has 22 years experience.
‘Road tax clearly the generic
‘Road tax clearly the generic term for the £30 to over £200 paid by motorists each year depending on car’
I’m assuming that 3 is a typo & that a politician is not deliberately misusing actual figures
Not sure what you mean.
Not sure what you mean.
VED starts from £0 and goes up through 20/30/115/130 up to 2245 depending on emissions and date of registration.
I think that was
I think that was bloodylazylayabout’s point – they hope the councillor typed a ‘3’ in front of ‘0’ accidentally and weren’t trying to mislead, because VED actually starts at £0.
Indeed
Indeed
hirsute wrote:
My favourite reply on twitter, was the person who calculated that it would cost about £150m to charge VED on bicycles at the same rate as cars (i.e. £0 in, £3.50 out (admin costs)).
bloodylazylayabout wrote:
Probably. 3 and £ are on the same key, just pressed it again accidentally after lifting off shift.
Steve K wrote:
Must be, only logical explanation
It’s worth noting that
It’s worth noting that Peloton have cut the price of their base model the Bike NOT the flagship Bike+ model that actually has a power meter and ERG mode and is a proper smart bike.
Re: Chris Hoy Top Comment.
Re: Chris Hoy Top Comment.
I think it was more of a “how dangerous the roads are” rather then any comment on Hoy’s abilities.
Poor Chris Hoy.
Poor Chris Hoy.
Those Raleigh cargobikes are utterly crap, best avoided.
I’m sure he’s being paid to
I’m sure he’s being paid to ride and promote it so he probably doesn’t mind.
Owd Big ‘Ead wrote:
With thighs like his I doubt he even realises.
Re the Peloton story, I see
Re the Peloton story, I see the company has been subpoenaed by the DoJ and Dept of Homeland Security re deaths and injuries that have arisen in accidents involving their treadmill machines.
PRSboy wrote:
Perhaps use of helmets needs to be mandated
It’s kids being pulled
I don’t think it’s users falling off the treadmill, it’s young children getting pulled underneath if they get caught on the belt as it goes over the rear roller.
He was making a topical joke.
He was making a topical joke. Maybe all the new sense of humours are sold out due to asian lockdowns…
joe9090 wrote:
In fairness it might be my sense of humour – I just can’t get the spares anymore, it’s held together with duct tape and zip ties…
Ribble Cycles sponsors
Ribble Cycles sponsors grassroots British CX team
Unfortunately there is a bit of a delay in getting the bikes to the team.
Hello
Hello
Where can I get that anti helmet poster from??? It can’t seem to separate it from the tweet?
I someone could link it or upload the original that would be great. Tony
Save Image As
Save Image As
Here
Here
Thankyou.
Thankyou.
If you use it anywhere
If you use it anywhere remember to credit the artist Dave Walker.
Among the wondrous things
Among the wondrous things about that image is that it’s not anti helmet – it’s just pro the actions that are more significant. So it manages to move the debate forward without antagonising. One of the best pieces of graphic design / communicative art that I’ve seen.
Quote:
….when death is on the line!!!
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Stop me and buy one !
Stop me and buy one !
Made in Bristol !
Memo to self: Avoid barbed
Memo to self: Avoid barbed wire at all costs!
More head injuries whilst
More head injuries whilst driving cars, so using the councillors logic, all motorists should wear a helmet
Do I wear the helmet when I’m
Do I wear the helmet when I’m commiting a crime or if I am subject to a crime?
Asking for a friend.
Where is reading the Daily
Where is reading the Daily Mail on that chart?
It’s more likely that reading
It’s more likely that reading the Daily Mail is the result of a head injury, rather than the cause of a head injury.
I always come back to this:
I always come back to this:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website
I can attest to this, I once
I can attest to this, I once forgot to put the bonnet stick thing up and was looking under the bonnet when it crashed down on my head.
Never happened on my bike when I have been maintaining it.
I’m guessing that’s an old
I’m guessing that’s an old photo illustrating LBS Day?
At least 5 years old, by the
At least 5 years old, by the looks of it.
https://road.cc/content/buyers-guide/how-buy-bike-9-steps-finding-your-best-new-ride-207806
Apparently belongs to this Japanese Flickr user (and maker of cycling caps).
The so-called ‘changes’ in
The so-called ‘changes’ in the Highway Code will have no effect whatsoever on cyclists, because the police will continue to refuse to enforce them and in practice will maintain that ‘I didn’t see him’ and ‘I didn’t mean to do it’ are sufficient excuse for pretty much any offence against a cyclist. There is no change in regulations about ‘close-passing’, which means that there still aren’t any regulations which the police can’t thwart by ‘using discretion’. We’re still on our own until we can claim to have been killed or seriously injured.
I would have thought if your
I would have thought if your surname was Butt you would do your best not to issue public statements that make you look like an arsehole, but the memo obviously didn’t get through to the Poole councillor
From the Grauniad:
From the Grauniad:
…which I read as their having programmed this thing to assume that pedestrians would get out of its way even if they’re on a pedestrian crossing?
There are many examples of AI
There are many examples of AI being imbued with the bias and prejudice of its progenitors and mentors (it learns from its environment). I don’t see why self driving vehicle algorithms would be the exception.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2021/02/04/the-role-of-bias-in-artificial-intelligence/
As an ex-programmer, I have
As an ex-programmer, I have to say that bias and prejudice is often (usually?) outweighed by incompetence somewhere in the process from requirements gathering to implementation via development and testing.
But perhaps that’s exactly why I’m ex.
brooksby wrote:
So in otherwords programmed by a typical driver to behave like a typical driver!
But even the most incompetent
But even the most incompetent of drivers will generally stop for a pedestrian on a pedestrian crossing.
ktache wrote:
???
Oh ktache, bless you.
If Councillor Butt thinks
If Councillor Butt thinks there is a ‘price’ that cyclists have to pay for their (as far as I know, already existing) protections being restated in the Highway Code, what ‘price’ must pedestrians pay? How will we know when they’ve paid it? After all, no pedestrian ever contributed a penny to the building, upkeep and policing of the road system, just like cyclists.
I think the slogan ‘Butt out!’ might be usefuly employed at the next round of Council elections in Poole.
pockstone wrote:
Unlikely.