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“We’ll raise it at the next AGM”: Cyclists blast journalist’s call to “please do better” after “one of your number” jumped red light and hit her; New Richmond Park layout “increases danger for cyclists”; Brown shorts Valverde wins + more on the live blog

Happy Tuesday (and light jacket day) everyone! Ryan Mallon’s back at the keyboard for more bike news and nonsense on the Ben Healy Appreciation Page – sorry, I mean live blog…
  • by Ryan Mallon
Tue, Apr 25, 2023 08:21
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SUMMARY

  • Driverwashing 101
  • Now, this is awkward…
  • Alejandro Valverde and his brown shorts win on racing comeback
  • Are gravel bikes old-school mountain bikes?
  • Has Bridge Bike Works reinvented the bottom bracket? Here’s what you had to say…
  • Hipsters, hipsters everywhere...
  • “They are literally driving at cyclists!” Changes to Richmond Park road layout branded “unusable” as cyclists call for motorists to be banned
  • ‘Stop giving them so much material then!’
  • Ashley Neal does cycling
  • Disaster for Rui Costa as chainring comes off on start ramp of Tour de Romandie prologue
  • Josef Černý narrowly beats world champion Tobias Foss in Tour de Romandie prologue
  • Cycling and collective responsibility: Who’s to blame?
  • “This should be raised at the next London Cyclists Committee meeting”: Cyclists blast journalist’s call to “please do better” after “one of your number” jumped red light and hit her
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25 April 2023, 08:21

Driverwashing 101

Greenwashing, sportswashing, now driverwashing, I can’t keep up…

Driverwashing

Hit by someone riding a bike: “struck by a cyclist”

Hit by a driver: “knocked off bike by car”

Please read your industry guidelines https://t.co/WQQOlf9W1r https://t.co/AGLLXtcYu9

— Dr Johnny Bananas (@barbedquill) April 24, 2023

> Councillor cycling to road safety meeting left bloodied and bruised after being struck by alleged hit-and-run driver in bike lane 

25 April 2023, 08:21

Now, this is awkward…

Proving the old (alright 21st century) adage that ‘there’s always a tweet’, someone unearthed one of Rachel Cunliffe’s posts from 2021 which – despite her recent inclination to castigate all cyclists after being hit by a person on a bike – seems to suggest that she believes being killed by a motorist is just one of those things…

“Getting killed by motorists is part of life”

🤝

“Cyclists are responsible for me getting hit by a bike whether it was them or not” https://t.co/qzATz3g4Cm pic.twitter.com/G7BoxdnXgo

— Stew Elliott (@StewCElliott) April 24, 2023

It’s interesting how people can barely bring themselves to ascribe responsibility to the actual, single motorist who causes harm but will happily regard all cyclists as guilty until proven innocent because they saw one do a naughty thing.

— Stew Elliott (@StewCElliott) April 24, 2023

25 April 2023, 08:21

Alejandro Valverde and his brown shorts win on racing comeback

Guess who’s back, back again… And he’s already back to winning ways.

 
 
 
 
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A post shared by La Indomable (@marchalaindomable)

Cycling’s very own Dorian Gray, Alejandro Valverde marked his return to racing following his long, long six-month spell in retirement by winning La Indomable on his gravel racing debut for Movistar’s new off-road team.

The 42-year-old decided to take a leaf out of those young whippersnappers Remco and Pog by attacking early on, eventually soloing to an impressive victory at the first UCI Gravel World Series event of the season in Berja at the weekend.

 
 
 
 
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Valverde’s lone foray over the Andalusian gravel saw him beat fellow Spaniard Ismael Esteban Aguero and British cyclocross ace Cameron Mason by around five minutes.

Not bad for a retiree looking for a hobby. And it goes to show, those (terrible, awful, stinking) brown shorts didn’t hold him back…

25 April 2023, 08:21

Are gravel bikes old-school mountain bikes?

Speaking of gravel, over on off-road.cc today Liam Mercer is asking the question scholars have been pondering for centuries: Are gravel bikes really just old-school mountain bikes?

And, if so, is that such a bad thing?

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2023 mondraker dusty riding 2 (Image Credit: Mondraker)
2023 mondraker dusty riding 2
2023 mondraker dusty riding 2 (Image Credit: Mondraker)

For more of Liam’s musings, and why he believes gravel is the best thing to happen to cycling in decades (decades!), read on:

> Are gravel bikes old-school mountain bikes?

25 April 2023, 08:21

Has Bridge Bike Works reinvented the bottom bracket? Here’s what you had to say…

The new ‘Integrally Threaded Carbon Bottom Bracket’ from Bridge Bike Works – which the Toronto-based component manufacturer says will result in no more dreaded creaks as the threads are moulded directly into the frame – prompted us to go all Jon Landau and ask an unsurprisingly controversial question: Does this new tech represent the future of bottom brackets?

2023 Bridge Bike Works Carbon Bottom Bracket
2023 Bridge Bike Works Carbon Bottom Bracket (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2023 Bridge Bike Works Carbon Bottom Bracket
2023 Bridge Bike Works Carbon Bottom Bracket (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Has Bridge Bike Works reinvented the bottom bracket? New tech sees BB threaded directly into carbon frames

Judging by some of your comments, the jury’s still out.

“This… will not age well,” wrote road.cc reader Paul J. “Or these even. These BB threads.”

pic.twitter.com/wczphDz8ZA

— Jon (@Jontafkasi) April 24, 2023

“I’m not understanding how this combats corrosion between metal and carbon fibre – haven’t they just moved the interface between the two to be the threads?” asked hawkinspeter.

“I would think that would increase the surface area for corrosion and also the threads are much thinner than the traditional interface between push-fit BBs and carbon fibre frames.

“I’m also wondering how long the threads last as they don’t appear to be replaceable.”

“Bagsy not being an early adopter,” said a very pessimistic check12.

2023 Bridge Bike Works Carbon Bottom Bracket
2023 Bridge Bike Works Carbon Bottom Bracket (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2023 Bridge Bike Works Carbon Bottom Bracket
2023 Bridge Bike Works Carbon Bottom Bracket (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

Rich_cb was a little more positive, however.

“If this works, and lasts, it sounds like big progress,” they said. “It’s included on Bridge’s latest bike the Surveyor which, strange name aside, is a beautiful bit of kit in its own right. Not sure it’s beautiful enough for me to risk a few grand on an unproven BB though!

“Maybe it is impossible to create a threaded BB shell out of CF, maybe in a few years everyone will be doing it. Time will tell but kudos to Bridge for trying something different.”

All this engineering and carbon fibre talk is making my head hurt – is it nearly time for lunch?

25 April 2023, 08:21

Hipsters, hipsters everywhere...

2023 Paul Smith and Rapha limited edition collection
2023 Paul Smith and Rapha limited edition collection (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)
2023 Paul Smith and Rapha limited edition collection
2023 Paul Smith and Rapha limited edition collection (Image Credit: Farrelly Atkinson)

> Rapha and Paul Smith unveil new limited edition collection

25 April 2023, 08:21

“They are literally driving at cyclists!” Changes to Richmond Park road layout branded “unusable” as cyclists call for motorists to be banned

It’s time for another visit to a live blog favourite, Richmond Park, where a recent road layout change – designed to provide pedestrians with a safe, segregated walkway across a bridge – has seemed to have instead created carnage, queues of motorists, and lots of horn beeping.

> Cyclists blast proposals to introduce 10mph speed limit on Richmond Park hill

One video posted on Twitter today shows, according to cycling activists in London, the potential dangers posed to cyclists by the new narrow layout (and impatient drivers using the park as a cut-through)…

Ok, so here’s what it’s like to cycle through the new chicane in @theroyalparks Richmond Park. The sign says I have priority, but motorists drive straight at me. This new added danger will see someone injured soon. Time to ban cars. @RichmondCycling @RichmondPkCycle pic.twitter.com/tVXhmPzQ5P

— Abraham LinkedIn 🎩 (@ukgaragefan) April 22, 2023

While in another clip, captured by cyclist and road safety campaigner Lauren in the London park, two motorists can also be seen failing to give way to a cyclist already crossing the bridge:

Richmond Park even more unusable for everyone now, thanks @theroyalparks.

The recent changes are laughable, especially when you see the confusion it’s created in the below video.

There was never an issue with this area of the park so why make things unnecessarily confusing? pic.twitter.com/I4Ubq9UkLX

— Lauren O’Brien (@laurencyclist) April 25, 2023

The changes have, unsurprisingly, been heavily criticised online today, with one cycle lane campaigner claiming that the new layout “doesn’t work for anyone and increases the danger for people cycling”:

It’s a total joke. I rode through that and got totally ignored by a driver even though I had RoW.

— 🚴🏻‍♂️Ralpha (aka Phil)🚴🏻‍♂️ (@2wheelsnot4) April 25, 2023

These are awful changes for cyclists. Car users often just plough ahead when it’s cyclist right of way.

— stonks (@HeadwindStonks) April 25, 2023

they are literally driving at cyclists!

— RobbieC…🚴‍♂️🌊☔️🚉 (@dahontr3) April 25, 2023

We think it’s to allow pedestrian crossing both sides of Beverly Brook, but it looks like traffic mgmt needs thinking about a bit more.

— Richmond Cycling Campaign (@RichmondCycling) April 25, 2023

It works fine for those that enter, park their car and enjoy the park. It’s not supposed to be convenient for those who want to use it instead of the proper roads. Might take time though for message to get through.

— Jake CBE, OBE, MBE, KNOB (@JakeJK666) April 25, 2023

Stupidity, lack of proper consultation, poor signage, lack of monitoring, mistaken prioritisation hierarchy, failure to adequately assess road risk. But it will change ‘once there’s a fatality (aka ‘too late)’.

— Danny Maertens (@MaertensDanny) April 25, 2023

Others, however, proffered a rather simple and elegant solution to the whole mess:

Stop cars using it.

— Simon Warren (@100Climbs) April 25, 2023

Just stop motor vehicles using the park

— London Tweetnik (@londontweetnik) April 25, 2023

@theroyalparks & @MPSRoyal_Parks:
JUST BAN MOTOR VEHICLES! https://t.co/lAAvud0SP9

— The waving mechanical roadgoat™ (@silvergoatish) April 25, 2023

25 April 2023, 08:21

‘Stop giving them so much material then!’

Spare a thought for poor Matt here, who appears to be struggling with both how the law works and the definition of a ‘victim’:

There’s enough Tweeters on here, who’s sole aim is to catch everyone they can. And they’re proud of it!

— Matt Crooke (@MattCrooke3) April 25, 2023

If you think cyclists are only out to get you on their YouTube channel, STOP GIVING THEM SO MUCH MATERIAL! pic.twitter.com/JwjiC2IKdo

— 🌱Carrie Purdom (@CarriePurdom) April 25, 2023

Ahh so that’s ok is it? It’s the victims fault?

— Matt Crooke (@MattCrooke3) April 25, 2023

Victim?
If you don’t want your law-breaking driving to be reported to the police, then don’t break the law.
It really is that simple.

— 🌱Carrie Purdom (@CarriePurdom) April 25, 2023

Oh dear, talk about having a mare…

25 April 2023, 08:21

Ashley Neal does cycling

Thoughts/comments?

25 April 2023, 08:21

Disaster for Rui Costa as chainring comes off on start ramp of Tour de Romandie prologue

There are few worse ways to start a week-long stage race than ripping your chainring off with your very first pedal stroke, before you’ve even descended the start ramp of the opening time trial.

But that’s how former world champion Rui Costa inauspiciously began his Tour de Romandie campaign this afternoon.

Disaster for Rui Costa in Switzerland #TourdeRomandie pic.twitter.com/uOJtkN44uB

— Mark Contador (@MarkContador80) April 25, 2023

The Portuguese rider – who has finished on the Romandie podium three times during his career – also appeared to hurt his knee during his bike’s bizarre technical malfunction, which forced him to cruise in on his road bike, forlornly finishing over five minutes down on the frontrunners.

With the pan-flat 6.82km course around Port-Valais being completed by the powerhouse time trialists in around seven and a half minutes, it is highly unlikely that the Intermarché veteran will make the time cut.

OH…S**T!! Rui Costa´s chain set went off completely when he set off the ramp – and now he´s holding his knee as well!!😟 #TDR2023 pic.twitter.com/jiZY378DnF

— Cycling_Eve (@CyclingEve) April 25, 2023

Bad news all round for Costa then, who started 2023 with a bang, winning the Volta a Valenciana before taking top tens at the Volta ao Algarve and Strade Bianche. Unfortunately it looks like he won’t be able to add to that run in Switzerland this week.

Although at least he proved he had the watts to rip his chainring off anyway…

25 April 2023, 08:21

Josef Černý narrowly beats world champion Tobias Foss in Tour de Romandie prologue

🏅🇨🇿Josef Černý (Soudal-QuickStep) Gana el Prologo del Tour de Romandía 2023🇨🇭 #TDR2023 #TDR #TourdeRomandie #Noticiclismo #Ciclismo pic.twitter.com/LV0Yo6BAPm

— NotiCiclismo ➡ 🇨🇭 #TDR2023 (@Noticiclismo1) April 25, 2023

The bright sunshine that has finally managed to break through Soudal-Quick Step’s unhappy spring continued today in Switzerland, as Josef Černý added to Remco Evenepoel’s stunning Liege-Bastoge-Liege victory at the weekend by blitzing the Tour de Romandie’s opening prologue.

Černý, decked out in the Belgian team’s now obligatory Star Trek helmet plus snood attire, smashed his way around the flat 6.82km course in Port-Valais to beat Jumbo-Visma’s world TT champion Tobias Foss by the narrowest of margins.

The good news continued for Soudal-Quick Step, as Rémi Cavagna rounded off the podium, just behind his Czech teammate and Foss. Meanwhile, Ineos Grenadier Ethan Hayter, who won the opening TT at Romandie last year, finished in sixth, five seconds down.

25 April 2023, 08:21

Cycling and collective responsibility: Who’s to blame?

Call off the search party, ladies and gentlemen, as road.cc reader Clem Fandango reckons they’ve found the cyclist accused of hitting New Statesman journalist Rachel Cunliffe on a pedestrian crossing, before swearing at her and riding off:

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Boris Johnson opens CS5 (Image Credit: Transport for London)

Makes sense…

However, IanMK has other ideas: “Was it an Uber Eats delivery cyclist? Surely if Amazon drivers are allowed to park where they want because ‘everybody needs Amazon deliveries’ then Uber Eats cyclists should be allowed to run through red lights because ‘nobody wants a cold McDonalds’.”

Looks like the investigation is set to drag on and on an on… But at least we’re all at fault this time, right?

25 April 2023, 08:21

“This should be raised at the next London Cyclists Committee meeting”: Cyclists blast journalist’s call to “please do better” after “one of your number” jumped red light and hit her

It looks like the fortnightly meeting of all London cyclists will have to be moved forward a few days, following an unsavoury incident involving a New Statesman journalist yesterday:

London cyclists: I have nothing against 99% of you, but one of your number just sped through a red light and hit me on a pedestrian crossing, then swore at me and sped into the distance as I stood there in shock. Please do better

— Rachel Cunliffe (@RMCunliffe) April 24, 2023

Rachel Cunliffe, the New Statesman’s senior associate editor, tweeted that a cyclist in the capital “just sped through a red light and hit me on a pedestrian crossing, then swore at me and sped into the distance as I stood there in shock.”

Now, obviously that particular cyclist is completely at fault here, and should be condemned for putting a pedestrian in danger.

However, it’s Cunliffe’s claim that, despite having “nothing against 99 percent” of London cyclists, the fact that “one of your number” put her in danger means they should all “please do better”, that has drawn the ire of cyclists online.

Oh, and she also noted in a separate tweet that “traffic lights are for bicycles too”.

Traffic lights are for bicycles too

— Rachel Cunliffe (@RMCunliffe) April 24, 2023

While it seems to be waning in recent years in the halls of Westminster, as a politics journo Cunliffe should be well aware of the concept of collective responsibility – and how it can’t possibly apply to groups of road users.

As individual cyclist after individual cyclist lined up to tell her on Twitter, with varying degrees of wit, as we’re all individuals of course (cue Monty Python clip…).

I’m sorry that happened to you, and you have my sympathies. Please don’t treat us as all the same. I don’t hold you responsible for Kenneth Noye, the road rage murderer just because you’re also a driver. Don’t hold me responsible for the specific cyclist you encountered.

— CyclingMikey (@MikeyCycling) April 24, 2023

“But what has it got to do with the 99 percent of cyclists who haven’t hit you?” wrote Stephen. “We aren’t some grand organisation who are responsible for each other.

“We’re just a bunch of people who share the same mode of transport – some legally, some not – just like any other cross section of society.”

Drivers: I have nothing against 99% of you, but some of your number kill 5 people a day. Please do Better. https://t.co/TgWIrwteJE

— David 🚴‍♂️ (@HaaaaWords) April 25, 2023

“This type of behaviour is unacceptable by any road user,” noted Paul. “However I’ve had a word with every cyclist so everything should be good from now on.”

Fair play.

London journalists, I have nothing against 99% of you, but you may want to rethink this approach to collective blame.

— Owler Nook (@Owler_Nook) April 24, 2023

Others, meanwhile, noted the potential repercussions of Cunliffe’s call for cyclists to “do better”, following the actions of one.

“Thanks. My daughter is cycling home from school at this minute, and you’ve just made her journey more dangerous,” said Michael.

“Look at the replies. You are egging on the anti-cycling nutters, and they’re armed with two tonne vehicles. My daughter is only armed with a school uniform.

“I vent about dangerous driving when I encounter it but invoking collective responsibility puts other people on bikes at risk.”

> “Oh dear, can you imagine being a mum carting around children”: Bath’s bicycle mayor shuts down GB News producer’s claim that mums need cars

Meanwhile, others wondered whether the New Statesman journo had actually encountered the new five-abreast cavalcade of cyclists now accompanying Our Dear Leader – sorry, I mean Rishi Sunak.

was this one of them? https://t.co/RxO84PQoZH

— Sascha O’Sullivan (@saschaosullivan) April 24, 2023

Alright cyclists, time to stand in the corner and think about what we’ve done…

25 April 2023, 08:21

Road safety campaign slammed for claiming some cyclists "proactively seek out examples of poor driving", says it only accepts footage captured "in passing" from commutes

Road safety campaign slammed for claiming some cyclists "proactively seek out examples of poor driving", says it only accepts footage captured "in passing" from commutes

Strong backlash to SaferEssexRoads' words, with an FOI request showing just two cyclist reports of mobile phone use behind the wheel in Essex last year resulted in prosecution

25 April 2023, 08:21

Researchers suggest cyclists could wear smart glasses to communicate with self-driving cars — automated vehicles "need to learn the language of cyclists"

Researchers suggest cyclists could wear smart glasses to communicate with self-driving cars — automated vehicles "need to learn the language of cyclists"

"There has been a lot of research in recent years on building safety features into autonomous vehicles to help keep pedestrians safe, but comparatively little on how AVs can safely share the roads with cyclists"

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51 thoughts on ““We’ll raise it at the next AGM”: Cyclists blast journalist’s call to “please do better” after “one of your number” jumped red light and hit her; New Richmond Park layout “increases danger for cyclists”; Brown shorts Valverde wins + more on the live blog”

  1. Cocovelo
    April 25, 2023 at 8:34 am
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    The video of the police

    The video of the police running alongside the PM motorcade is remarkably similar to this North Korean equivalent:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM40H9yAPvo

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    • cyclisto
      April 25, 2023 at 9:37 am
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      Now in Turkey too https:/

      Now in Turkey too https://twitter.com/hulyademiral07/status/1650737500825047040

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    • ChrisB200SX
      April 25, 2023 at 11:54 am
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      It’s nowhere near as bad as

      It’s nowhere near as bad as Kim Jong Sunak’s example!

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  2. ITK2012
    April 25, 2023 at 9:00 am
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    A cyclist does something

    A cyclist does something wrong: “we are all individuals”.

    A car driver does something wrong: “all car drivers are a danger to more vulnerable road users”.

    Hilarious. 

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    • brooksby
      April 25, 2023 at 9:21 am
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      ITK2012 wrote:

      A cyclist does something wrong: “we are all individuals”.

      A car driver does something wrong: “all car drivers are a danger to more vulnerable road users”.

      Hilarious. 

      — ITK2012

      You can say that while still saying that the idea that all users of a mode of transport come together for their AGM is ludicrous.

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    • Brauchsel
      April 25, 2023 at 9:24 am
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      I sort of agree with you, but

      I sort of agree with you, but it’s a pretty natural reaction. Cyclists/drivers/men/white people/others are constantly being told to “do better” by other people who (often reasonably) feel let down/threatened/oppressed by a noticeable minority of each group. I got close-passed by a cyclist while running on a shared-use path yesterday, and my first thought was “fucking cyclists” just as it is often “fucking drivers”. 

      The more rational way to address policy is to consider the frequency and severity of the potential harm, but that’s not how our primitive brains work in the heat of the moment. It’s almost as if giving everyone the ability to broadcast their thoughts to the world in real time is not in fact a very good idea. 

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      • Velo-drone
        April 25, 2023 at 10:19 am
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        Brauchsel wrote:

        I got close-passed by a cyclist while running on a shared-use path yesterday, and my first thought was “fucking cyclists” just as it is often “fucking drivers”.

        — Brauchsel

        Really??  If it was a black person, would your thought be “***** black people”?  If it was a woman, would it be “**** women”?

        This isn’t about “cyclists” or “drivers” or “women” or “black people” … it’s about idiots.  The person who hit the journalist is an idiot.  The person who close-passed you is an idiot – or at best inconsiderate and/or ignorant of the the impact of their actions.  The people who close pass me with their cars are the same (albeit their inconsideration/ignorance is much more dangerous). 

        This is not reliant on their status as cyclist, or driver, or woman/black person/Spaniard/accountant etc. etc.  Nasty/foolish/inconsiderate people are represented in all of these categories.

        The point is that is incumbent on all of us to resist any urge we might feel to judge a whole group of people based on an encounter with one who has behaved badly to us.   If your first thought is “f****** cyclists/drivers/women/black people/whatever group” then you should recognise that it’s an inappropriate and unhelpful reaction, and be working on changing it.   

        But yes, it is telling that a “senior editor” at a major publication not only has apparently not undertaken this reflection at all, but they have not considered why it is that had they been hit by a car driver that they would undoubtedly NOT have been tweeting about not having a problem “with 99% of drivers” or that “one of your number” had done wrong, or telling London drivers to “do better”.

         

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        • ChrisB200SX
          April 25, 2023 at 12:06 pm
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          Velo-drone wrote:

          But yes, it is telling that a “senior editor” at a major publication not only has apparently not undertaken this reflection at all, but they have not considered why it is that had they been hit by a car driver that they would undoubtedly NOT have been tweeting about not having a problem “with 99% of drivers” or that “one of your number” had done wrong, or telling London drivers to “do better”.

          — Velo-drone

          Yes, her tweet from July 2021, said that we accept road deaths by drivers as normal.

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      • ChrisB200SX
        April 25, 2023 at 11:59 am
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        Brauchsel wrote:

        I got close-passed by a cyclist while running on a shared-use path yesterday, and my first thought was “fucking cyclists” just as it is often “fucking drivers”. 

        — Brauchsel

        There is something wrong with you if you react like that.

        A normal response would be more like “bloody inconsiderate cyclist” and “f*ckig dangerous driver(s)!”

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      • boblo
        April 25, 2023 at 12:14 pm
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        Brauchsel wrote:

        I got close-passed by a cyclist while running on a shared-use path yesterday, and my first thought was “fucking cyclists” just as it is often “fucking drivers”. 

        — Brauchsel

        Whilst cycling at the weekend, I got very close passed by one of the arse up head down brigade (aka a man on a bicycle) and my first thought was ‘you thoughtless bastard’. That’s all.

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        • grumpus
          April 25, 2023 at 1:17 pm
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          If he’s a club cyclist he’ll

          If he’s a club cyclist he’ll just be used to riding elbow to elbow and forget that’s not how everyone does it. While out on a country ride one day I was suddenly surrounded by a training group – annoying, I had to drag my back brake on the descent (something I usually only do to make it squeal so pedestrians notice me) but I imagine it would have been pretty intimidating for someone who’s not accustomed to group rides.

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    • ChrisB200SX
      April 25, 2023 at 9:25 am
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      ITK2012 wrote:

      A cyclist does something wrong: “we are all individuals”.

      A car driver does something wrong: “all car drivers are a danger to more vulnerable road users”.

      Hilarious. 

      — ITK2012

      Jog on with your straw man and collective responsibility.

      It’s patently obvious that any 2t chunk of highly powered steel driven by a fallible human is potentially dangerous to people.

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    • wycombewheeler
      April 25, 2023 at 9:32 am
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      ITK2012 wrote:

      A cyclist does something wrong: “we are all individuals”.

      A car driver does something wrong: “all car drivers are a danger to more vulnerable road users”.

      Hilarious. 

      — ITK2012

      Exactly the opposite of reality, were you high when you typed that?

      Every infection by a cyclist is met with “cyclists do x” but no one looks sees (smells) drug drivers or phone drivers and applies that to all drivers.

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      • ITK2012
        April 25, 2023 at 9:44 am
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        I’m explaining things from

        I’m explaining things from the Twitter/Road.cc extremist viewpoint. 

        The fact that the car driving extremists do they exact same thing, but the otherway around changes nothing. The world would be a better place without either group.

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        • Clem Fandango
          April 25, 2023 at 9:45 am
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          Myaaaaaarrr

          Myaaaaaarrr

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          • perce
            April 25, 2023 at 9:51 am
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            I agree.

            I agree.

        • ChrisB200SX
          April 25, 2023 at 12:04 pm
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          ITK2012 wrote:

          I’m explaining things from the Twitter/Road.cc extremist viewpoint. 

          The fact that the car driving extremists do they exact same thing, but the otherway around changes nothing. The world would be a better place without either group.

          — ITK2012

          I think your Twitter/Road.cc extremist is a straw man.

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    • IanMK
      April 25, 2023 at 10:40 am
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      Lets just remind ourselves

      Lets just remind ourselves what the HC says:

      “Everyone suffers when road collisions occur, whether they are physically injured or not. But those in charge of vehicles that can cause the greatest harm in the event of a collision bear the greatest responsibility to take care and reduce the danger they pose to others. This principle applies most strongly to drivers of large goods and passenger vehicles, vans/minibuses, cars/taxis and motorcycles.

      Cyclists, horse riders and drivers of horse drawn vehicles likewise have a responsibility to reduce danger to pedestrians.”

      So the hierachy accepts that car divers are “more” of a danger to vulnerable road users and that “they bear the greatest responsibilty”. That does not equate  to collective responsibility when one idiot does something dangerous.

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    • NotNigel
      April 25, 2023 at 10:48 am
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      I generally don’t tar every

      I generally don’t tar every driver with the same brush, i at least break them down in to what car they’re driving, that I say to myself if they put me in any danger –  ‘fucking [insert car brand] cunt’.

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    • marmotte27
      April 25, 2023 at 12:58 pm
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      Cars ARE 100 times more
      Cars ARE 100 times more dangerous than bicycles, that’s just basic physics.

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      • ITK2012
        April 25, 2023 at 4:27 pm
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        Exactly 100 times more

        Exactly 100 times more dangerous? I’m sure that is a very scientific figure you didn’t just make up. Inanimate objects are not dangerous, the operators of them are.

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        • marmotte27
          April 25, 2023 at 5:11 pm
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          Car 1,5t (many are heavier

          Car 1,5t (many are heavier now) 50 kph: 147000J kinetic energy
          Bike + rider 85 kg 20kph: 1333J
          So, to be as precise as you ask, the car is 110.27757 times more dangerous, by simply being on the road, even before any dangerous driving is committed.

          As I said basic physics.

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  3. ChuckSneed
    April 25, 2023 at 9:51 am
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    I do think we should hold
    I do think we should hold each other accountable, rather than devolving into infighting. I’ve never gone through a red light myself, but I have riding buddies who do and I have no problem telling them not to. We can’t pretend we’re infallible. We can all work together to improve our images as cyclists.

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    • the little onion
      April 25, 2023 at 9:55 am
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      Sure, happy to speak to my

      Sure, happy to speak to my budies. But not to some random person who is also on two wheels.

       

      For the same reason as I would speak to my mate if they were driving badly, or pedestrianing or train-riding irresponsibly, but not to a random driver or pedestrian. 

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  4. I love my bike
    April 25, 2023 at 10:12 am
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    What’s up with ‘bi-weekly’?

    What’s up with ‘bi-weekly’? Is that ‘fortnightly’? Anyway, I thought the meetings were oct-monthly (with the american ones being semi-annually) so they don’t clash with the drivist ones?

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    • OnYerBike
      April 25, 2023 at 10:32 am
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      https://www.merriam-webster

      https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/on-biweekly-and-bimonthly

      I would normally go with bi-weekly for twice a week and fortnightly for once every two weeks. “Semi-weekly” as suggested by the post linked sounds odd to me – and also suggests the event occurs at exactly half-weekly intervals, which (with seven days in a week) is rarely true.

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  5. ubercurmudgeon
    April 25, 2023 at 10:27 am
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    London contains many

    I give credit to this journalist for addressing her tweet to “London cyclists” and not just “Cyclists”. London contains a many arseholes. A minority of all Londoners, but a significant one. Some ride bikes selfishly, some drive cars selfishly, some use public transport selfishly. It is only my opinion, based on experience living there and elsewhere, that arseholes are drawn to London more than they are to cycling.

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    • Patrick9-32
      April 25, 2023 at 10:27 am
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      The difference is the selfish

      The difference is the selfish cyclists and public transport users are not responsible for over three thousand people being killed or seriously injured on London’s roads. The drivers are. 

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  6. Kapelmuur
    April 25, 2023 at 10:35 am
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    Is that Sunak thing real?   I

    Is that Sunak thing real?   I thought it was one of those deep fakes.

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    • eburtthebike
      April 25, 2023 at 11:35 am
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      Kapelmuur wrote:

      Is that Sunak thing real?   I thought it was one of those deep fakes.

      — Kapelmuur

      It could have been a body double, like Stalin used to do.

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    • chrisonabike
      April 25, 2023 at 1:13 pm
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      Are you saying that’s a fake

      Are you saying that’s a fake Sunak there, or that the real Sunak is not genuine?

      I certainly wonder about the latter, but then he’s only just started.  They all look less glossy after a year or two.  Even Tony went grey by the end.

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  7. Hirsute
    April 25, 2023 at 11:18 am
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    Road.cc can you please
    Road.cc can you please contact Essex police

    We accept these if they are reported by cyclists who record it in passing while on their commute but not from those who proactively seek out examples of poor driving.https://t.co/LvJsiQE4Dm

    — SaferEssexRoads (@SaferEssexRoads) April 25, 2023


    We accept these if they are reported by cyclists who record it in passing while on their commute but not from those who proactively seek out examples of poor driving.

    Extra Eyes

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    • Hirsute
      April 25, 2023 at 12:07 pm
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      Looks like Andy Cox has seen

      Looks like Andy Cox has seen the tweet

      https://twitter.com/AndyCoxDCS/status/1650827136163299328

      I’ve seen tweets today re public reporting road crime. My view; Danger is danger however it is identified & reported. We should consider each case and take action as appropriate. Ultimately the driver is accountable for their actions. Our purpose is to reduce danger & save life.

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    • Rendel Harris
      April 25, 2023 at 12:09 pm
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      Seems to be a separate road

      Seems to be a separate road safety group from the police, although partnered with them; as such I very much doubt they have the authority to say how the police will deal with video submissions?

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      • Hirsute
        April 25, 2023 at 12:24 pm
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        This is the web page for

        This is the web page for submissions !

        https://saferessexroads.org/driving-complaints-2020/

        There is certainly an overlap.

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        • Rendel Harris
          April 25, 2023 at 12:46 pm
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          Worrying then, not only for

          Worrying then, not only for the “we won’t process it if you were looking for it” but also the “we won’t process anything that’s been on social media” restriction as well, neither of which are valid.

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          • TonyE-H
            April 25, 2023 at 4:07 pm
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            Essex have form for ignoring
            Essex have form for ignoring af much as possible. Report a dangerous close pass and they give the excuse, you can’t judge the distance from an action camera.
            But if you’re very very lucky they might send a warning letter.

            Irony is, that their reporting site via Extra Eyes is much better/simpler than Met Police, and you can look up the ref you were given to see the outcome offered, usually within a few days.

    • Gus T
      April 25, 2023 at 1:25 pm
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      I wonder if Essex Police

      I wonder if Essex Police apply the same rules to the vigilante groups that go looking for paedophiles

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  8. IanMK
    April 25, 2023 at 11:36 am
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    Was it an Uber Eats delivery

    Was it an Uber Eats delivery cyclist? Surely if Amazon drivers are allowed to park where they want because “everybody needs Amazon deliveries” then Uber Eats cyclists should be allowed to run through red lights because “nobody wants a cold McDonalds”.

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    • hutchdaddy
      April 25, 2023 at 11:59 am
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      Does a cold McDonald’s taste
      Does a cold McDonald’s taste better?

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      • Clem Fandango
        April 25, 2023 at 12:56 pm
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        well the milkshakes do anyway

        well the milkshakes do anyway

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  9. Matthew Acton-Varian
    April 25, 2023 at 12:22 pm
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    I’ll be honest, I am not a

    I’ll be honest, I am not a fan of the idea of a carbon threaded bottom bracket shell. Any material that has poor resistance to abrasion or impact should not be tapped for threads. The probability of stripping the threads is much higher than in alloy and will also handle less torque as a result. It’s longevity is a definite concern.

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    • NotNigel
      April 25, 2023 at 2:25 pm
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      From reading the article I’m

      From reading the article I’m guessing the threads are ‘formed’ in to the frame when molding which in general produces a much stronger thread than if it had been ‘cut’.  Again, I’m guessing,  aluminium frames/inserts are finish machined once they’ve been welded up or bonded in place which will probably be a ‘cut’ thread.  Not being a boffin on carbon fibre it would be interesting to know the differences in strength between a formed thread in carbon and a cut thread in aluminium.

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      • Matthew Acton-Varian
        April 25, 2023 at 4:08 pm
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        Even when formed Carbon Fibre

        Even when formed Carbon Fibre can rub away. People have put holes in carbon frames from poor maintenance where dirt sits between the frame and outer cables, which then grinds away at the frame. Or if your bike has carbon dropouts (for QRs) if you misalign or over/under tighten your axle, you can slowly rub away at the dropouts making them uneven and writing off your frame. Imagine getting dirt on the threads, or worse, cross-threading. Carbon is great for static loading and fatigue resistance. And yes, whilst metals are machined (Tapped) by cutting away material, it is much more forgiving and resistant to abrasion. Plus, if the threads do get damaged, your LBS will have the right tools to re-thread them easily and cheaply.

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  10. giff77
    April 25, 2023 at 2:48 pm
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    This will explain the lack of

    This will explain the lack of ambulances in London. They’re all waiting to administer first aid to the protection detail when they finish. Especially the peeler at the end who looks like he’s about to have a coronary and mumbling wait for me as he’s trying to summon the energy to put one foot in front of the other. At least the Koreans looked fit and weren’t breaking a sweat. 

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  11. Oldfatgit
    April 25, 2023 at 3:57 pm
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    Ashley N video …
    Ashley N video …

    Well, his road positioning sucks big time.
    Domestic dual carriageway and he’s in the weeds … why not take primary or even at worse, secondary.

    Filtering the static traffic… squeezing is fine, but there are times where the right lane is empty… and yet he still hogs the left hand car.

    Ride your bike like it needs the same space as your car – if you don’t, sooner or later someone will have you off with a bad pass, or squeezing you out.

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    • TonyE-H
      April 25, 2023 at 6:42 pm
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      Terrible positioning at the
      Terrible positioning at the start, then rides into danger by pulling and stopping alongside a bus indicating to pull out, quite possibly in the blind spot leaving the driver in an awkward position. Either stay behind the bus or filter past completely.

      He doesn’t know how to cycle safely on the roads, refuses to listen to advice from anyone else, his ego frankly can’t accept he might not be right.

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      • Gus T
        April 25, 2023 at 5:20 pm
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        Notice how at the beginning

        Notice how at the beginning he is breathless although he’s on an e-bike, he needs to get out of his car more

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  12. brooksby
    April 26, 2023 at 7:33 am
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    Just watched Points West, the

    Just watched Points West, the local BBC news programme- apparently 7-8 people die each year in accidents involving mobility scooters. Where’s the tabloid outrage about that? (the article covered a fatal hit and run inside a supermarket…)

    (edit) Found the story – https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-65383596

    and

    https://www.judicialcareers.judiciary.uk/natalie-young-prevention-of-future-deaths-report/

    … an independent (and somewhat spritely) 92 year old lady who had full mobility. On the 9th March 2022, Natalie was shopping on her own in a supermarket and was queued at the tills to pay for her groceries. Whilst she was waiting to be served, another shopper on a mobility scooter has joined the queue and was waiting, stationary.
     
    Without warning the mobility scooter accelerated forward, ploughing into Natalie with some force and knocking her over. The forward propulsion of the mobility scooter was a conscious act of the driver/rider rather than an unforeseen mechanical or electrical fault.
     
    On becoming aware of the injury caused to Natalie, the mobility scooter driver flees the scene and has not been identified or heard from since.

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    • giff77
      April 25, 2023 at 6:47 pm
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      Nearly sure I read somewhere

      Nearly sure I read somewhere that mobility scooter users were now to have a small test to determine their abilities.  I was always under the impression that they were to go no faster than walking pace. I’m a brisk walker and still get passed by them. 

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      • Rendel Harris
        April 25, 2023 at 8:05 pm
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        Supposed to be 4mph on a

        Supposed to be 4mph on a pavement (still a pretty brisk walking pace). Class 2 scooters are limited to that and only allowed on pavements, Class 3 scooters that can do 8mph are allowed on the roads and pavements but users are supposed to flip the switch that limits them to 4mph when they join a pavement. Quite a lot seem to “forget” this requirement.

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@wtjs thanks!

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chrisonabike 17 minutes ago

@HarrogateSpa could be. With some Labour / other socialist types I think it's: a) a historic reaction to the toff and/or mill owner and their horse-enhanced status. So "we'll damn well have cars also". ("Fairness", I guess). b) (partly related) many working people rely on their vehicles for work (or to get there). So "we'll fight anything that looks like them taking our independence". Of course I think excellent arguments against motor traffic dependence could be made for most political persuasions - but unfortunately it also seems that those for the status quo can also.

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chrisonabike 29 minutes ago

@kingleo but according to some posters here aren't those terrible places marred by very high cyclist fatality numbers, dreadful driving conditions, rampant drug use and (inevitably) "communism"? ("non-countries" eh Nige?) One major difference, which perhaps doesn't get enough attention, is that in NL they went through a process of deciding what all streets and roads were primarily "for". Then re-designating and indeed redesigning them and re-engineering the network to "make it so". "Monofunctional roads/streets". That means that it's much clearer where cycle infra is *required*, and where less obvious measures will do. That *would* be a major change for the UK. Our process has been that motor traffic appeared on streets which used to be foot / horse / carriage / cycle. We then had to add footways as it became clear the motor traffic was a danger (also as drivers demanded "their" streets). Then as the traffic got bigger / faster / volumes increased those non-vehicle spaces shrank... So now we commonly have a "high street" which is 1) a "place" or destination (so people want to drive and park there, but then will walk about) 2) maybe also a residential location 3) a major through route. And everyone complaining "our streets are too narrow to accommodate cycling".

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@Mr Blackbird isn't it "this pub survived two World Wars, but will be destroyed by this ludicrous, dangerous cycle lane, which nobody wants and which will only be used by illegal immigrants riding unlicensed electric motorbikes..." ?

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@Mr Blackbird The report on this case is on page 19 of today's Times. Maybe the more right wing rags didn't bother at all? It was on the BBC News website yesterday, but was not featured on this morning's Breakfast News.

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@Rendel Harris no no NO! Won't you think of blind pedestrians, who will be in danger of falling in, then being run over by the peloton, then drowning?! Not to mention people with limited mobility who might stumble in and then not be able to get out? Or just those walking around in a relaxed manner, not paying too much attention? No, what is needed is a dedicated area to support accessibility for all. We could call it a ... road! Those with sight impairment would doubtless be ok with that as they would be able to hear the motor vehicles (unlike those deadly silent cyclists). And they could get taxis also. In fact all those who *have to drive* could use it! Cyclists would have nothing to complain about, they could ride there if they don't get in the way of motor vehicles and come to a compete stop whenever they see a pedestrian looking like they might cross...

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@HoarseMann I've probably given this too much thought, but alongside each of the bridges I was going to have little in and out ramps to allow cyclists to exit for the shops rather than be confined to a straight-through run.

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@kingleo Just picture a lovely character pub with all the original internal features. Baskets of flowers hanging outside. It serves an excellent selection of real ales, craft ales, quality lagers and quality ciders. Todays menu includes a ploughman's lunch, seafood platter and a vast range of sandwich fillings ; all made using locally sourced foods. But wait! A new cycle lane has just been constructed in front of the pub. It is far too dangerous to cross and enter the pub. You turn around and trudge home. Stopping at Tesco to buy a 4 pack of Carling.

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