A road safety campaign aiming to reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured on Essex roads is under fire after claiming some cyclists “proactively seek out examples of poor driving” and stating reports of footage showing dangerous driving will only be accepted from riders who “record it in passing while on their commute”.
The SaferEssexRoads Twitter account, representing the Safer Essex Roads Partnership (SERP) — a road safety group bringing together police, fire, highways, air ambulance and three local authority areas — shared its Extra Eyes campaign, asking people to report instances of poor and dangerous driving which will then be forwarded to Essex Police for consideration.
SERP replied to a question asking why one example of a cyclist’s footage of a mobile phone-using driver would not be accepted, saying: “We accept these if they are reported by cyclists who record it in passing while on their commute but not from those who proactively seek out examples of poor driving.”
This type of action is a meaningful deterrent. Shame @EPRoadsPolicing @SaferEssexRoads would no further action this type of footage.
— ComplyandBye (@ComplyandBye) April 25, 2023
We accept these if they are reported by cyclists who record it in passing while on their commute but not from those who proactively seek out examples of poor driving.https://t.co/LvJsiQE4Dm
— SaferEssexRoads (@SaferEssexRoads) April 25, 2023
The stance has drawn criticism, one cyclist calling it “shocking” and another saying it is a “completely unacceptable response”. Others questioned how SERP would determine the difference between someone who recorded something “in passing” and other footage “proactively” sought out.
“In the real world, prevention is not waiting for bad things to happen, it’s preventing things from happening in the first place. Completely unacceptable response,” one rider replied.
Another added: “You don’t need to ‘seek out’ bad driving, it usually finds us. That’s just how prolific it is. This has big ‘if I don’t see it it doesn’t happen’ energy. Do better and maybe take a leaf out of West Yorkshire Police’s book — a force that actually cares about reducing road danger.”
Someone else asked for SERP’s opinion on “those proactive speed cameras the police leave at the roadside to catch errant drivers?”
CyclingMikey — who has reported thousands of law-breaking drivers in London, often for using their phone behind the wheel in cases similar to the one SERP was displeased about — called the outlook a “disgrace” and said “you should accept all such reports”.
One reply shared an FOI request which showed the outcome of all Operation SNAP reports in Essex last year, showing just two phone-using motorists reported by cyclists were prosecuted. In total, 252 reports of mobile phone use resulted in 33 prosecutions.
Of the 252 reports, 15 came from cyclists, resulting in three prosecutions, four warning letters, one passed to another team and seven cases of no further action.
SERP’s website states its aim as reducing “death and serious injury on Essex roads to zero” and suggests enforcement is “far more beneficial” when “a driver attends an awareness/training course than simply paying a fine and accepting points on their licence”.
“We are dedicated to reducing death and serious injury on the roads in Essex to zero,” Nicola Foster, the body’s chair said. “However, as with all safety issues, each road user has to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. We also urge you to take responsibility for others too; those who are more vulnerable than you because they have less protection or because they are less skilled, less aware or just being daft.
“If we all make a small change to our driving, think about what we are doing, and take care of each other we should all be able to use the roads safely and make it home.”
Today’s backlash comes just days after a road safety group from Warwickshire was slammed for advising cyclists to “stop and allow drivers to overtake”.
Yesterday, the Warwickshire Road Safety Partnership, an equivalent body to SERP, told road.cc “one tweet cannot always explain the complex rules of the Highway Code” and clarified its stance.
road.cc has contacted SERP for comment.























57 thoughts on “Road safety campaign slammed for claiming some cyclists “proactively seek out examples of poor driving”, says it only accepts footage captured “in passing” from commutes”
Can you still report directly
Can you still report directly to the Police, or will they only accept reports from this organisation?
How much delay will this organisation place on passing reports on to the Police … after all, they state that reports have to be submitted within 48 hours but do not state how this affects the 14 day time limit.
Isn’t this just a boys club / quango developed to reduce the amount of complaints that the Police actually see, and thus make the Police stats look better?
There appears to be an
There appears to be an overlap
Here’s the main submission site
https://saferessexroads.org/extra-eyes/
This takes you to here
https://extraeyes.egressforms.com/
Which has police logos and extra eyes logos.
Seems a way to avoid taking any action.
The local cycle campaign group is already responding.
Good question. Essex Police
Good question. Essex Police still have this on their website:
https://www.essex.police.uk/ro/report/rti/rti-beta-2.1/report-a-road-traffic-incident/
Haven’t gone that deep into it, so not sure if it would decline reports backed up by video submissions through this portal.
In other news: CPS refuse all
In other news: CPS refuse all cases referred by Police, after all, they proactively investigate crime. Can’t be having that, can we?
Police aren’t civilians; dumb
Police aren’t civilians; dumb comparison.
The founder of modern polcing
The founder of modern policing would like a word.
The seventh principle of policing, as laid out by Sir Robert Peel
“To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.”
It’s no surprise that the
It’s no surprise that the police consider that making any effort whatsoever to catch criminals* should be outlawed. They are professionals at making f-all effort to catch criminals*.
* And yes, using ones phone while driving is a criminal offence and anyone doing so should rightly be branded a ‘criminal’.
Interesting and revealing
Interesting and revealing that there is one group who are supporting SERs tweet, yes, it’s the taxi drivers of course!
Obstruction of justice
Perverting the course of justice
Sounds odd, and possibly in
Sounds odd, and possibly in conflict with the stated aims of the Extra Eyes initiative.
All groups of road users are now using camera technology including private motorists, commercial vehicle drivers, motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders and this creates a huge resource which is monitoring the activities of other road users and submitting recorded incidents to the Police for investigation. In addition to influencing driver behaviour this also creates massive opportunities and cost benefits in relation to the investigation of recorded collisions and further supports the Force plan by providing significant intelligence opportunities to address the priority of tackling crime on the roads.
The evidence received must be dealt with professionally to maintain public confidence in the scheme and where offences are identified this should lead to a proportional investigation and disposal. Where the offence is so serious that it is referred for prosecution then the evidential file submitted should be of the highest standard.
One might also raise questions about evidence for what other types of criminal offence might be judged invalid and inadmissable because the witness wasn’t on the way to or from work at the time.
Nothing in that quote is in
Nothing in that quote is in conflict with the evidence SERP accepts; they are quite obviously discouraging vigilante action, with their advice about not accepting images from proactive action by civilians.
These folk seem a bit dim –
These folk seem a bit dim – how do you get proper footage of mobile use without getting close up ?
Any footage you submit from commuting will be of the same content type as ones where you are proactive.
Take a look at the photo in
Take a look at the photo in the article; clearly, the cyclist has stopped and proactively engaged the motorist about the offence; nothing like an image taken with an action cam from a bike passing a motorist.
If the picture taker didn’t
If the picture taker didn’t stop, presumably the footage would have been useless as the phone wouldn’t be visible. And it doesn’t prove engagement, perhaps the driver already had his window down and just turned around when he noticed someone there.
How else would you get the
How else would you get the required footage?
Yet again you try and apply your laws and understanding to a UK situation and of course you still do not know what a vigilante is.
Here’s an example
https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/23477654.bury-st-edmunds-murder-kings-weapon-obsession/
Tesco worker Edward King left his house with a two-foot-long sword in pursuit of Mr Charles, while his father armed himself with a dagger.
Mr Charles, 47, was fatally stabbed by the dagger and sliced across the knee by the sword,
So a criminal act being
So a criminal act being stopped by policemen, proactively patrolling a high-crime area, is NOT valid either? What do they do instead, just wander around and hope that someone does a crime right in front of them?
Ludicrous advice.
Civilians are not police
Civilians are not police officers; ludicrous analogy.
grOg wrote:
The ludicrous Sir Robert Peel:
Rendel beat me to it, but
Rendel beat me to it, but this very article talks about encouraging civilian citizens to help the police mitigate crime (an extension of the police, perhaps?) but *just not proactively seek it out*
I feel like perhaps the advice is also poorly worded, in that I can understand them saying “please report crime, but don’t put yourselves in danger and insert yourselves into a life-threatening situation to do so – the police get paid to do so!” Instead it just comes across as pandering to the Twitter mob mentality of ooooooh, cyclists with cameras are snitches/YouTubers/out for trouble etc etc.
Rendel beat me to it, but
Rendel beat me to it, but this very article talks about encouraging civilian citizens to help the police mitigate crime (an extension of the police, perhaps?) but *just not proactively seek it out*
I feel like perhaps the advice is also poorly worded, in that I can understand them saying “please report crime, but don’t put yourselves in danger and insert yourselves into a life-threatening situation to do so – the police get paid to do so!” Instead it just comes across as pandering to the Twitter mob mentality of ooooooh, cyclists with cameras are snitches/YouTubers/out for trouble etc etc.
Pretty standard, police and
Pretty standard, police and councils [ those in authority ] often choose to ignore stuff they as individuals may be guilty of. Close passes, phone use, speeding, pavement blocking, parking on crossings etc but locally are getting all excited about kids on mopeds being marginally iritating rather than outright dangerous. West Mids,,,, yes you , you ignorant close pass condoning tossrags get your priorities sorted.
I must be hard of
I must be hard of understanding today, as I don’t understand it, a crime isn’t a crime if it is witnessed by a cyclist who didn’t see it accidentally. I’m sure the criminals will be using this defence in court when the police actively seek out dangerous drivers.
It isn’t even as if this is entrapment: the cyclist isn’t in any way encouraging the crime, they are merely reporting it when they see it. Quite how seeking it out and accidentally witnessing it in any way change the crime is beyond my understanding. Do they use the same approach for all crimes, or just those reported by cyclists?
A crime is a crime is a crime, no matter the motivation of the person reporting it. This is just a blatant abnegation of SERP’s responsibilities to vulnerable road users.
If this was in my patch, the PCC would get no rest, and the members of SERP would be sent reminders of their responsibilities every time a driver was involved in a collision.
They should be commending the cyclists for their pro-active citizenship and helping the police keep the roads safe.
EDIT: Sorry, but the more I think about this the angrier I get. This organisation, whose sole purpose is to make the roads safer, is allowing criminals to go unpunished, and therefore unreformed, to carry on putting innocent people’s lives at risk. Anyone in SERP who didn’t vehemently disagree with this policy should resign immediately, or if they won’t go, should be sacked for failing to carry out the only objective of the organisation: and be banned from any public post as being lacking in morals.
Maybe they should go to every inquest of a road death and explain to the relatives how they would like to have helped prevent it, but the footage was submitted by a cyclist, so they had to let the driver go free to kill their son/daughter/husband/wife.
2nd EDIT: I wonder if any member of SERP has been reported by a cyclist for phone driving?
I noticed one tweet reply
I noticed one tweet reply said that they are part of a local speed watch group so will all their findings be ignored as they are there to proactively catch people.
I was just wondering this
I was just wondering this myself. Not to mention Police mobile speed camera vans and those pesky traffic wardens going out of their way to peer into people’s cars and checking tickets.
‘I’m sure the criminals will
‘I’m sure the criminals will be using this defence in court when the police actively seek out dangerous drivers.’
SERP are advising civilians about the type of civilian evidence they will action; clearly, this advice has nothing to do with police enforcement of traffic laws and to suggest otherwise is nonsensical.
It’s an outright dodge to bin
It’s an outright dodge to bin more reports by thinking up a spurious reason. Essex is one of the more dodgy forces, having come up with it’s not a real close pass because the cyclist didn’t brake or wobble. This is, of course a dodge of special benefit to the worst offenders who come past fast and very close so they’re gone before you know and all you’re left with is the fear that the police couldn’t care less about. Essex may be bad, but they’re just beginners compared to Lancashire: it’s years since they began simply ignoring videos of blatant RLJ offences which I began filming after being almost killed at the same junction. I certainly was going out looking for offences– with a very good reason, which the police also couldn’t care less about. It’s difficult to fail to despise the police for these blatantly anti-cyclist policies.
I think a lot of the
I think a lot of the naysayers here are of the mistaken assumption that the police are actually caring and considerate of cyclists, rather than being institutionally biased and unwilling to help. It’s a worrying problem, because we should be able to trust in our police and shouldn’t have to put this much effort into reporting crime ourselves – but here we are.
“We accept these if they are
“We accept these if they are reported by cyclists who record it in passing while on their commute but not from those who proactively seek out examples of poor driving.”
If they are seeking to discourage cyclists coming to a halt, tapping on car windows and verbally engaging/remonstrating with motorists using their phone, then that’s not a bad thing; nothing wrong with reporting offences filmed inadvertently when passing, but speaking to motorists about breaking the law crosses over into vigilantism, an activity only authorised police should be doing.
grOg wrote:
The other day on Battersea Bridge I passed a woman holding her phone on the wheel and texting as she went. Massively distracted, she kept leaving huge gaps in the traffic and was weaving around when moving. Should I have just left her to it to carry on until she hit a pedestrian or cyclist? Or should I have done what I did, which was to tap on her window and tell her what I’d seen her doing, why she was dangerous and asking her to put the phone away (which she did)? Vigilantism is seeking out wrongdoers and imposing your own punishment, it’s not telling people to stop breaking the law and endangering others.
You ought to be more careful
You ought to be more careful – you could have been accused of a number of non-offenses there. Distracting a driver could lead to a crash. Then there’s a real one – assault. “The man aggressively banging on my car put me in fear of my life”.
No, better record it without comment or interaction and pass it on to this special portal where they have just declared a new reason for completely ignoring it.
As Lancs police and Police Scotland show there’s no need for this new quango – police forces can efficiently ignore and/or deter this kind of crime reporting already!
Presumably it won’t be long
Presumably it won’t be long before Essex Police decide that the very act of carrying a camera on a bike is “proactively seek[ing] out examples of poor driving” and refuse to accept any submissions at all.
If that happened in, say,
If that happened in, say, Lancs, how would anyone know?
chrisonatrike wrote:
wtjs would tell us!
But it is proactively seeking
But it is proactively seeking it, by going out recording things. Focus more on your own cycling than filming it. You’ll enjoy it a lot more.
ChuckSneed wrote:
ChuckSneed wrote:
Thank you for that extraordinarily patronising comment, I think after 40+ years of cycling I know how to enjoy myself and I enjoy it exactly the same whether I am running a camera or not. I primarily have a camera in order to defend myself in the case of any incidents; I started using one after that guy ended up losing his house to pay compensation to the woman he collided with even though by her own admission she was looking at her phone and stepped out in front of him when he had a green light. If I catch illegal driving that is endangering the safety of myself or others then I will report it, however I have never once gone “proactively seeking” it. Despite the lies of a certain other poster on here (who seems sadly obsessed with me and desperate to mention me at every opportunity) I don’t go out catching phone drivers, I have one camera which is fixed below my Garmin out-front mount and it’s too low to film inside vehicles.
Rendel Harris wrote:
His problem wasn’t a lack of a camera (there were lots of witnesses at the scene), but a lack of legal representation. Also, just riding at people and hoping they’ll move out of your way is not really in line with the Highway Code, whether or not you have priority.
I take both those points. I’m
I take both those points. I’m not saying things would have been different for him if he’d had a camera, it’s just that case made me particularly aware of what the consequences of an incident could be and how it could be advisable to have one’s own evidence if the worst happens (something I’m pleased to say hasn’t transpired (yet!)). I also joined British Cycling at the same time for the third-party cover and legal advice.
ChuckSneed wrote:
I think we need a proper
I think we need a proper investigation of these road safety partnerships. I am gaining the impression that they are missing input from the two user groups most impacted by road safety issues – pedestrians and cyclists.
I’ve pondered before about the lack of a lobby group for pedestrians. Although there are groups like BRAKE, they seem to be anti-driver rather than pro-pedestrian. I suspect there is room for a pedestrian lobby group with a positive agenda such as:
– ban pavement parking
– treat pedestrians as at least equal priority at crossings – “ban the beg”.
– ban pavement obstructions such as blocking pavements to direct traffic during roadworks.
– proper campaign for walker safety on rural roads on a par with “I slow down for horses” (but couldn’t give a shit about ramblers).
While cyclists and pedestrians are ignored as user groups of our roads in these initiatives, it is not surprising that the outcomes are poor.
There’s often “but I’m a
There’s often “but I’m a pedestrian myself”. Sometimes even “but I cycle” and rarely “I visited Copenhagen/Amsterdam once”.
That’s good but not enough. Bit like having eaten out a bit isn’t the same as being a head chef / experienced at ensuring food hygiene standards are maintained.
There are some pedestrian groups – think the closest would be Living Streets.
https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/
I’d also say Sustrans is as much a pedestrian lobby group as a cycling one, certainly in terms of what is delivered…
IanMSpencer wrote:
I appreciate it’s moving into tinfoil hat territory, but given the proliferation of these road safety partnerships which seem to only look at things from one perspective, I’m beginning to wonder how soon an explicit campaign for jaywalking or similar will arise in the UK…
https://twitter.com/CFCTom99
https://twitter.com/CFCTom99/status/1651157236457111555
“This was an example of them NFA. Becuase I dared to stand on the pavement and record distracted drivers on the phone.
Not even a warning letter for this woman, NFA.
(I also clearly recorded the registration of the car)”
(Footage of 2 handed mobile phone use)
Tom has now added
Tom has now added
https://twitter.com/CFCTom99/status/1651159710689644550
“This is an email from the manager of extra eyes, when I made a complaint. Absolutely shocking.”
Best to wait until someone is dead, killed by a phone using driver, then deal with them. That way we can be sure that they are a danger.
Vision Zero – I now see that this is no offences prosecuted.
Vision Zero snitches. We
Vision Zero snitches. We need more respect…
What a load of nonsense from
What a load of nonsense from Essex Police. I’d rather they just fessed up and said, yep, we can’t be bothered/haven’t got the resources to police the roads.
Surely the police failing to deliver justice is going to encourage vigilantism?
It would be interesting to
It would be interesting to know what part of the legal and regulatory frameworks Essex police believe gives them the right to ignore criminal offences if they believe that the person reporting said offences was “actively trying to catch people committing offences”. I’m by no means au fait with all aspects of the law but I’d be surprised if there’s anything that permits this sort of selectivity.
I’ve advised them to get in
I’ve advised them to get in touch with the Police and Crime Commissioner and their MP. This kind of bizarre, stupid, counterproductive policy, which goes against their stated aim of making the roads safer, needs to be nipped in the bud before others adopt it.
Has anyone asked why Essex Police and the road safety partnership have this policy, and how they justify it? I for one, would be intrigued to know the answer, and the lengths to which double-speak can be stretched.
It’s becoming increasingly
It’s becoming increasingly clear that there’s a culture problem across a huge array of public services.
The public is increasingly paying towards services that have record funding (nhs) and staff numbers (police) yet receive abysmal service.
The examples of the “Safety Partnerships” over the last few days are more of the same – services that are well resourced wasting their effort on collaborating around pointless initiatives and endless communications that often run counter to the core mission of the service.
open_roads wrote:
I’m not sure how well Safety Partnerships are resourced, but you’re wrong about the NHS and Police numbers. Both of those services, and plenty of others, are victims of 13 years of tory austerity, and any spending now is just trying to look as if they’re being generous when the new spending doesn’t even make up for what has been cut.
open_roads wrote:
Lying Tory shill with weasle words alert.
Any raise in budget (even if its under inflation) pretty much guarantees “record funding”. Doesnt mean its an appropriate level of funding for the need though.
In fact the record shows both the Police and NHS have both been underfunded and underresourced for the last 13 years.
NHS has been systematically underfunded for the last 13 years.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-64190440
Police headcount peaked in 2010 (strange coming from the “Party of Law and Order”)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/303963/uk-police-officer-numbers/
I would rather we found a way
I would rather we found a way to adequately resource the prosecution of all offences that reach the threshold. Just increase the fines until it pays for itself.
But in the absence of that, they really should be upfront about the lack of resources. Maybe every submission that meets the bar gets a NIP, then there’s a random draw each month where they choose as many as resources allow to be issued with FPN/courses/summons.
At least every offender would feel there’s at least a chance of prosecution and every victim/witness a chance their efforts in reporting will be acted on.
Mark Hiding writes:
Mark Hodson writes:
“One of them, the most prolific… was a driver…the great thing is roadcc have asked me to do a podcast about this with them and I will expand fully on the issues and solutions in that podcast, because as everyone knows… large amounts of typing doesn’t sit well with me ”
Looking forward to this.
Hi Clem, I can’t find our
Hi Clem, I can’t find our comments. Am I on the wrong thread? Do I even exist? It’s all very worrying.
I think another Spinal Tap
I think another Spinal Tap drummer has spontaneously combusted. Or met their end in a bizarre gardening accident…
It’s some catch, that Catch
It’s some catch, that Catch 22! You can report an incident to Safer Essex Roads Partnership, but they won’t pay any attention to it unless there’s video before, during and after the incident. But if you have a headcam or bikecam it means you were proactively seeking examples of bad driving so the video is inadmissible.
I am concerned about how this
I am concerned about how this will go. It’s already been a lottery on who reviews the case as to whether it goes anywhere and now this.
New rules:
Take primary – deliberately setting out to cause conflict so you could film it
Used the road instead of the cycle lane – ditto
Filtered through traffic – ditto
Filtered to an ASL box where a driver was encroaching in the box – ditto
Used a dual carriageway instead of a quieter, parallel road – ditto