How lockdown restrictions should be interpreted has dominated the headlines over the weekend, but leaving aside whether you should be taking a 60-mile round trip in a car to test your eyesight (no, you shouldn’t), rules on exercise clearly forbid group rides – something these cyclists photographed in Lancashire seem to be ignoring.
The picture was taken by road.cc reader Matt Hodges, who also happens to be one of Cycling UK’s longest-standing Right to Ride volunteer campaigners. He said that the sight of groups of cyclists such as this one is “getting us all a bad name.”
He encountered the group on A588 between Cockerham and Thurnham about a mile north of Cockerham.
“It is good to see so many cyclists on our roads especially families,” he said.
“But it is not good to see groups like this getting is all a bad name by totally ignoring the guidelines on social distancing.
“Can you not see that this sort of behaviour gives motorists the justification they want to condemn ALL Cyclists as selfish idiots who shouldn’t be allowed on the roads because they break all the rules?”
Matt continued: “I don’t recognise any of them. I don’t think they are one of the Lancaster clubs as they would be unlikely to be returning to Lancaster so early, also they usually have several members in club jerseys.”
In England, the emergency regulations currently state that “no person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse,” with one of those being:
to visit a public open space for the purposes of open-air recreation to promote their physical or mental health or emotional wellbeing —
alone,
with one or more members of their household, or
with one member of another household.
So, a bike ride with your family, if they live with you, is fine, as is going out and meeting a friend to ride as a pair. Riding in a group of eight, though? That’s not allowed.
> Cycling dos and don’ts in a time of pandemic – how to be a responsible cyclist
Moreover, even if you find yourself on the road with other cyclists, you need to keep much further behind them than the standard 2 metres recommended social distance.
While the pair of cyclists at the rear are a little further back, we’ll take Matt’s word that they were part of the same group, given his years of experience within Cycling UK, and the point remains that even if you are maintaining social distance, you should not be out with more than one person who is not in your household.
> How much distance should you leave to the cyclist ahead?
We’ve reported a number of times during lockdown on how some images in the press taken with telephoto lenses appear to show cyclists riding in a group when, in fact, there is distance between them and they are riding alone or in pairs.
One of the most striking examples of that was a photo published in The Times of people riding bikes on the popular Box Hill climb in Surrey, with a picture taken from one of the riders’ perspectives at the very same moment underlining how misleading the press picture was.
> Times latest newspaper accused of trying to shame cyclists with dodgy telephoto pics
That’s not the case here, however, and unfortunately it’s not the first time we’ve heard of actual groups out on the road ignoring social distancing rules – sometimes in club kit.
Some might disagree with Matt’s assertion that the sight of such groups gives all people who ride bikes “a bad name,” but you only have to look at the comments beneath pretty much any local newspaper story on cycling to see the stereotyping that goes on.
That, plus a large section of the press that is actively hostile towards cyclists – including giving a platform to columnists for example talking about stringing piano wire across the road – in turn gives rise to acts of aggression against bike riders, whether from motorists, or people spreading tacks on the road or setting other traps.
In its latest COVID-19 advice, meanwhile, British Cycling highlights that cycling outdoors could even be banned should people not do so responsibly – and that includes avoiding riding in groups. The governing body says:
While the restrictions on cycling outdoors will be eased from Wednesday 13 May, the Government had made clear that this is contingent upon people continuing to act responsibly.
The infection rate will increase if people begin to break these rules and, for example, start to meet up and ride in groups. This will also trigger the need for further restrictions.
By riding responsibly and following the guidance, you’ll be securing our right to ride outdoors, protecting the NHS and saving lives.




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75 thoughts on “Covidiots? Lancashire cyclists snapped on group ride contrary to lockdown rules”
Look, this was clearly a
Look, this was clearly a potential emergency and they are using their instinct, who knows what might have happened otherwise.
Their eyesight was probably affected by Covid-19 that they didnt actually get but could have done, and they needed to test it using an approved government method. How irresponsible would it have been to go out individually (OK normal protocol for testing eyesight is to drive with your wife and four old son in the back)?
I expect they stopped at Barnard Castle (its easier to group the northern counties into one i find) so everythings alright. Job done, move on peasants, nothing to see here.
Looks like eight concerned
Looks like eight concerned fathers (maybe one or two mothers) just doing whatever they think is best for their families. Not sure how, but presumably something could be cooked up with a couple of days to think about it. I’m sure the Prime Minister will rush to their support soon thereafter.
Can we see the video…looks
Can we see the video…looks like there is a lot of overtaking going on here.
Tell him not to worry.
Tell him not to worry.
I’ve been out over 8 times giving cyclists a good name, so us cyclists are coming out even/slightly ahead.
I’m afraid the ship has
I’m afraid the ship has sailed on stories looking to shame people for breaking the guidelines.
As we’ve been told from the top these things are not black or white but open to interpretation and even if someone is clearly flouting guidance so what? Give them a day to make up a story and if you don’t believe them then give them another day to make up another.
It’s easy to joke but this situation is the result of a PM who gave his loyalty to one person ahead of his responsibility to the nation. Why should people be beholden to a govt that a)breaks with impunity the rules they set and b)puts the interests of their friends above those of the nation.
What complete nonsense.
What complete nonsense.
We’ve had elected MPs both Labour and Conservative breaking lockdown and giving dubious excuses.
We’ve had the scientists and doctors leading the lockdown strategy breaking lockdown in both England and Scotland.
We’ve had the Welsh health minister breaking lockdown rules, then claiming he hadn’t, then changing the rules to permit what he’d been doing two days after he did it.
We’ve had the Welsh First Minister telling us it’s ok to meet friends in parks then his own government rushing out a press release to contradict him.
But all of a sudden all lockdown breaches are the fault of an unelected advisor.
Do you really think people are too stupid to notice this naked opportunism?
Herd impunity?
Nerd immunity?
Herd impunity?
Nerd immunity?
People are breaking lockdown
People are breaking lockdown because they’re getting sick of lockdown.
Self reported surveys show lockdown breaches have increased every week since it started.
Which is exactly what the behavioural scientists said would happen.
Trying to pin the blame on someone you don’t like doing something he shouldn’t is just opportunistic nonsense.
You could equally pin the blame on anyone of the people I mentioned, it would be equally as valid. (Not at all)
Well if they’re sick of
Well if they’re sick of lockdown, they should be getting back to work. The furlough scheme, which I fully understand the reasons behind its use, has created a monster. Many people are now treating the furlough as a holiday at the taxpayers expense, and do not want to return to work. The sun is shining, you couldn’t have made this up that at the very same time a pandemic was tearing across the globe, we would have the best spring in years. So the furloughed people are wanting to get out and enjoy the sun. A neighbour of mine was furloughed, he didn’t want to be, went back to work last week. He really didn’t want to go back to work, as he said he had got used to not working, and could manage on the money. He was going to try to persuade his employers to furlough him again.
I have a friend who told me that the fact that he has been furloughed(He badgered the company until they gave in and furloughed him)has been ‘one of the best things that has ever happened to him’ and he was hoping and praying that it would continue for a very long time. From day one he has treated this situation as nothing but a great holiday. He moans about ‘idiots’ walking around everywhere, but goes out walking and cycling every day himself.
It is people like this that will create a second spike which will result in another lockdown, possibly more severe than the first.
There was always going to be
There was always going to be a second spike.
It’s been predicted since the start of all this.
The idea that if we keep lockdown going just a bit longer we’ll avoid a second spike is pure fantasy.
As someone that’s worked
As someone that’s worked right the way through the pandemic i must admit to having used the line “I’ll gladly take a 20%cut and ride around on a bike all day like everyone else” More than once.
Furlough is not a choice –
Furlough is not a choice – businesses decide which staff they furlough, you don’t get a choice and the chances are if you are furloughed you wont have a job to go back to.
Yes it’s nice to have some time off during the summer but the pay is lousey and unless you’ve noticed there’s not a great deal to do.
Furlough is not a choice –
Furlough is not a choice – businesses decide which staff they furlough, you don’t get a choice and the chances are if you are furloughed you wont have a job to go back to.
Yes it’s nice to have some time off during the summer but the pay is lousey and unless you’ve noticed there’s not a great deal to do.
Misread the room there Rich.
Misread the room there Rich.
I thought it was a “remoaner”
I thought it was a “remoaner” failing to underestimate Dominic Cummings’ and Boris Johnson’s ability to influence legions of morons to do something which is against their own interests.
Hey look everyone, Rich is
Hey look everyone, Rich is here to spout some half arsed defence of the Tories at us. Again.
Have I defended him?
Have I defended The Conservatives?
Can you actually read?
Would you rather be left
Would you rather be left alone to agree with each other?
It’s interesting that nobody has bothered to actually disagree with what I’ve said.
Rich_cb wrote:
I disagree with whatever it was you said.
I doubt it will make much
I doubt it will make much difference, everyone knows you’re a inveterate lier Burt.
Rich_cb wrote:
I disagree with that too, and I can spell.
It’s been proved you’re a
It’s been proved you’re a liar on a regular basis.
It’s hilarious how much you purport to dislike Johnson’s dishonesty when you and he are so similar in that regard.
In fact, it’s just struck me how incredibly similar you are to Boris.
You both lie continually, when you are proved to be lieing you either resort to bluster or ignore the proof and continue to shamelessly repeat the lie.
Burt the liar and Boris the liar.
Two sides of the same coin.
“It’s been proved you’re a
“It’s been proved you’re a liar on a regular basis.”
Come on.
That’s the case.
That’s the case.
Burt lies routinely on this forum.
There are have been so many occasions where he tells a blatant lie and then gets called out on it.
Never an apology or even an acknowledgement and then a few weeks later the same lie again.
I have now
I have now 😉
We’ve had the scientists and
We’ve had the scientists and doctors leading the lockdown strategy breaking lockdown in both England and Scotland.
The difference is that the scientist admitted what he did was wrong and resigned from Sage. Matthew Hancock said he was speechless and would back the police if they took action.
When it’s Cummings, Matthew Hancock ties himself in knots trying to justify what happened, looks ridiculous, and insults our intelligence.
They did.
They did.
But they also did not give any justification for their actions. (Well the Scottish doctor did, then admitted another breach and then eventually resigned.)
In the case of the Conservative and Labour politicians who did give justifications there have been no resignations. Even when the justifications have been very questionable.
My point was not that Cummings has done nothing wrong, it was that blaming him for the increase in noncompliance with lockdown is disingenuous and smacks of political opportunism.
billymansell wrote:
I’ve been wondering why Boris and the cabinet, sadly not a pop group, would be quite so dogged and vociferous in their support of Cummings, then I realised; he knows where the bodies are buried. Elections and the referendum were won by cheating, lying and various underhand methods, and Cummings knows all the details, so maybe he’d talk if he loses his job.
That’s my conclusion too. The
That’s my conclusion too. The logical reason why Boris would be defending a single advisor ahead of ministers (let’s send out a few more ministers to bolster Good Ol’ Dom) is that Dominic has some serious blackmail material on him.
Anyhow, let’s just move on (and by moving on, I mean firing Cummings).
I’m sorry, but I’m totally
I’m sorry, but I’m totally infuriated by the “giving us all a bad name” argument. It is used against cyclists, like we are all one singular group, all morally culpable for each other’s behaviour. It is never used against, for example, car drivers – have you ever heard someone argue that “speeding motorists give all motorists a bad name”?
It’s bad enough when non-cyclists use this, but it is not acceptable for cycling campaigners to join in.
Mrs Mungecrundle holds me
Mrs Mungecrundle holds me personally accountable for the actions of anyone on a bicycle. I refuse to engage in the conversation but even I cringed yesterday when a group of 12 clearly riding together in close formation came past whilst we were out on our walk.
Unfortunately, as said in the
Unfortunately, as said in the article, “you only have to look at the comments beneath pretty much any local newspaper story on cycling to see the stereotyping that goes on”.
I agree with you that the actions of a few bad individuals, be they on bikes or in cars, busses, etc., shouldn’t impact the reputation of the group as a whole. However, for whatever reason, ‘cyclists’ seem to be a group that many in the media love to target at the moment and instances like this fuel the fire.
Just testing their eyesight.
Just testing their eyesight. No regrets!
Without more context a single
Without more context a single photo almost certainly is going to be misinterpreted, I cant tell from that they are all part of the same group
Are the cyclists bunching up as they go downhill stuck behind something slower or a junction ? Or is it a popular riding route more people are sticking to because it keeps them nearer their homes, remember the Box Hill photo. Or maybe they actually are a household group, peoples lives arent all identikit cookie cut representations of our own lives
In my socially distanced permitted excursions around, I’ve encountered many other riders, and I’ve no doubt to even a pro cyclist observer as we spend all our time shouting hello or acknowledging each other,or getting caught betwixt & between each other trying to ride around at different rates, we might very well appear as a collective group in some cases. Just like all those bank holiday motorcyclists yesterday might appear to me to be all riding as a lot of groups
I’ve no doubt some people are challenging the interpretation of rules and have been since day 1, but I dont think it’s worth getting overly concerned by,it wont change people’s attitudes towards cyclists
Downhill? not much chance of
[quote=Are the cyclists bunching up as they go downhill stuck behind something slower or a junction ? [/quote]
Downhill? not much chance of that – this is the Fylde coast, just south of Morecambe Bay. The flattest part of the Lancashire Plain. (I lived all round there for much of my life)
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Well, it is. So long as all eight are from the same household (or seven from one household and one from another).
Suspect that’s unlikely here though.
If only they’d had the
If only they’d had the foresight to wear Demonic Cummings masks they’d have been fine.
lockdown is over anyway. Go
lockdown is over anyway. Go out on the road now, you’ll see loads of people driving behind eachother just like in the photo of this article. Bloody car drivers, breaking the rules. Why don’t they stay at home instead of making cyclists dislike them even more.
Looks like the editor is
Looks like the editor is emplyoing BBC sensationalist headline tactics.
Nothing wrong with going for a bike ride.
I think people have had enough of this type of nonsense.
Seems to bring out the curtain twichers… This whole ( covid ) episode is a complete farse and will adversly affect the lives of millions than can be imagined.
Most comments so far on this
Most comments so far on this depressing and revealing. If this was a month ago there’d be widespread agreement (I think there was on a similar story) that the cyclists’ behaviour was unnaceptable. Roll on a few weeks, after the credibility and authority of Johnson and his Government have collapsed and now what do we see? Widespread agreement that social distancing no longer matters and the rules are a joke anyway. Sad when you consider that partly for the sake of one individual’s job managing an incompetent Prime Minister and Government we’re going to have to see a couple more tens of thousands extra dead in a few weeks.
if 8 individuals from
if 8 individuals from separate households arranged & planned to ride together and then rode as a group of 8, yes that would be unacceptable.
but that photo alone, does not go near enough to proving thats actually what happened there in this instance.
thats the difference.
You might be right Awavey,
You might be right Awavey, but that’s not really the point. The fact that so many people have chosen to question the picture, or broadly defend the idea of group riding says lots to me about how people are thinking about the lockdown now.
Come back in a few weeks and
Come back in a few weeks and see if you’re right.
I doubt you will be.
I never take pictures on face
I never take pictures on face value unless there is compelling evidence. For all we know they were recorded on Strava at the time and their routes were different and are just on the same road at the same time. Extremely unlikely but still. Perhaps they even planned their individual rides like that, but how much of their ride was spent together? They might have been a club using non-club gear, but who really knows unless we can identify some of them. I will have to take Matt’s word for what happened in this case as fact.
shame all cyclists get painted with the same colours because of a few questionable instances despite almost everyone else trying hard to follow rules and advice.
I would hate to be riding and end up trapping faster cyclists behind me in case I was accused of group riding as well. I rarely go fast enough to ever catchup with another cyclist after all xD
Yeah come on Matt a good
Yeah come on Matt a good Stasi wannabe would dox them, we need their names, where they live, what club they ride with. Get them fired from their jobs, run them off the roads, how dare they reject the “New Normal”. Forget things like the Magna Carta and Bill of Rights, we need to track and control everyone. We are at war with an invisible enemy!
All the 455 contacts with a person infected with SARS-CoV-2 tested negative, the infectivity of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers is not an issue: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32405162/?fbclid=IwAR0JQd-CI6ybxl31em5-kdJ8iHQhvCJ4TOzbgn4QNGqpryAWvxBxuE16Omc
That looks like the way
That looks like the way Cambridge Bus Way Cyclepath get….. two riders together catching up with slower ones…. bloomin nightmare…
I don’t see how motorists can
I don’t see how motorists can use these groups as cannon fodder when so many are driving hundreds of miles to the coast to spend a day on the beach, and other beauty spots with hundreds of others doing the same thing.
You are correct, however. Two
You are correct, however. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
No, no, no. I’m not being an
No, no, no. I’m not being an idiot in driving 100 miles to go to the beach. It’s the other people driving 100 miles to go to the beach: it’s them who are being Evil.
brooksby wrote:
Have they got a beach in Castle Barnard?
Look, lets not get caught up
Look, lets not get caught up in the blame game with who said what and went where etc.
Instead, we could be playing a nice new game like this:
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-05-26-someones-made-a-barnard-castle-driving-game-in-dreams
This is the local branch of
This is the local branch of the Conservative Party out demonstrating their support for Dominic Cummings. They are simply behaving instinctively like all good Tories.
I was out on Sunday morning
I was out on Sunday morning and went out on this road, on my own. I saw plenty of groups out, not as large as this but plenty four or five. There were a few that turned out in front of me, then seemed to go through and off for the next few miles. I cannot understand it, regardless of whether you think it is acceptable, unacceptable, or you throw a dig in at the Government, the facts are that you must not go out in large groups. All this does is stir up hatred from other people, namely motorists. I have a friend who wants to organise a ride with four of us for next month. I have politely declined, much preferring to ride on my own for the time being. Every group I saw out, even in twos, were too close together. Nice to see Matt is still out and about!
“All this does is stir up
“All this does is stir up hatred from other people, namely motorists” Totally agree. Unfortunately every population has a section of complete ‘idiots’ and whilst that might only be 5%, or less, or more that is how people can end up viewing that whole population.
The problem of cyclists being hated by motorists is mostly brought about by a small minority of cyclists who do not behave as they are supposed to, be it group riding in lockdown (awful lot of middle aged men apparently live together, who knew?), jumping red lights, roundabouts etc.
The sad fact of the matter is, that is how cyclists are viewed and also the other way round, most motorists are respectful of cyclists, again just a small percentage that don’t act in the right way and are at the forefront of our mind in discussions like this.
I’m not scared of the virus.
I’m not scared of the virus. I’m scared that they are slowly introducing us to martial law and turning fellow cyclists into Stasi snitches. https://youtu.be/MTfAblb7jUE https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11687699/lockdowns-difference-coronavirus-destroyed-livelihoods-jp-morgan/
Erudin wrote:
It’s not the martial law that scares me, its the surveillance capitalism.
Reading articles today about the New Normal: Use an app to ‘book’ visits to shops instead of queuing. No cash anywhere at all, ever. Everything taken off shelves into ‘quarantine’ once its been touched. Chinese cities deciding that the ‘health monitor’ apps will become permanent and linked into their ‘social credit’ scoring systems.
I don’t think I like the New Normal.
Erudin wrote:
You seem a little credulous of headlines in the Mail and the Sun, and a study by a financial analyst (not an epidemiologist).
The claim is that ‘lockdowns have not worked’. The poster child for the claim is the reduced Coronavirus occurrence in Denmark, and the reduced R value.
Unfortunately Denmark did impose a rapid lockdown eg closing schools and pubs, and is now benefiting from the results achieved.
Next…
Do you know what will give
Do you know what will give all cyclists a bad name? How’s about influencial cyclists publicising potential cyclist indiscretions and stating that such behaviour gives all cyclists a bad name.
Honestly, this coverage helps no one. No one is going to read this and go…’hang on, turns out I was wrong about the lockdown restrictions and I shouldn’t be going out with my mates after all’… we all know the rules just fine.
How we interpret them is up to us, but I can assure you, nothing anyone is going to say will make those taking the loosest interpretation of the rules, rethink their actions. They have made a conscious, informed decision.
What it may do however, is two things…
1. It helps fuel the argument that all cyclists are naughty lycra louts (especially when the angle publicised is ‘see, these cyclists are all lycra louts’
2. A percentage of dutiful isolators will think ‘hang the fcuk on, am I the only mug still riding about on my own… I feel like a right mug’ and potentially change their viewpoints.
Publicising bad behaviour only normalises bad behaviour and I’m disappointed that a seasoned Cycling UK member has chosen to do so.
Do you know what will give
Duplicate post… but rather than say nothing here, I’ll instead wager that there will be no second wave until the Autumn… who’s with me?
Jimmy Ray Will wrote:
You can’t have a second wave if you keep the first one going, which seems to be government policy. The UK has the highest pro rata death rate in the world, which might be why they are so willing to talk about Cummings; distraction.
https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0?fbclid=IwAR2eNI2YyhMWGvYxow4q0-s6xZjAfGAfj9hF-Odrswjdx_SYeqbLdn3QrpI
eburtthebike wrote:
Thanks for proving my point Burt.
Another easily disproved lie.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Rich_cb wrote:
Thanks for proving my point Burt. Another easily disproved lie. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/— eburtthebike
I don’t see anywhere there where it tells you how many deaths per cyclist.
Yup – been following that
Yup – been following that site for a while. And been watching the UK moving up the per-capita-death-rate table, quite rapidly. Did you really mean to post a link demonstrating how we’ve just overtaken Italy on that metric and are set to overtake Spain within a week? Was that really your plan? Why did you think that would help your case?
Only Sweden is doing worse – it will overttake France about the same time we grab that coveted number 4 spot from Spain.
The US, UK, and Sweden look set to rise to the top of the table.
Why do you have to be so consistently wrong about _everything_?
I think Brazil may end up
I think Brazil may end up taking the No 1 spot.
Anyone see a pattern.
Sweden being a bit weird of course.
You seem to have
You seem to have misunderstood the discussion.
The link was to disprove the claim that we had the highest per capita (pro rata) death rate in the world.
So the link did its job.
Those countries which have had the largest outbreaks now should, if the modelling is correct, have smaller outbreaks in the future.
We still have an entire winter to get through before even the earliest mass vaccination is likely to be available, if one ever is. We should, therefore, get a pretty good test of that theory very soon.
We probably won’t know which country had the best approach until years later.
We probably won’t see the full effect of overly aggressive lockdowns for a generation, maybe longer.
Criticising an approach now just demonstrates your own ignorance of the long term picture.
Rich_cb wrote:
Depends what you’re talking about. It shows that the UK doesn’t (quite) have the highest rate of reported deaths with Covid-19, but it doesn’t tell us very much about where it ranks on actual deaths from Covid-19. To get an idea of that you would need to examine the ‘excess deaths’ over the pandemic period, though even then there would be confounding factors of deaths resulting indirectly from the pandemic (e.g. people who didn’t seek, or weren’t able to access, healthcare at a time when they needed it) and normal statistical variation in the underlying death rate.
But Rich already has told you
But Rich already has told you were lying about that.
He’s posted it so it must be right.
I also posted the supporting
I also posted the supporting evidence.
In fairness to Burt he has now retrospectively added a link.
So now his post is only slightly misleading.
Which by his standards is pretty good.
But Rich already has told you
Sorry double.
I am getting athe Ajax error, a lot.
Must stop re “Save” ing
But Rich already has told you
Sorry triple.
I am getting athe Ajax error, a lot.
Must stop re “Save” ing
5th (or 3rd if you discount
5th (or 3rd if you discount very small states)
Or unknown, if you take into
Or unknown, if you take into account that there will be deaths where the virus was involved but wasn’t identified, and conversely deaths where it was known to be present, but didn’t actually contribute to the outcome.
In all fairness, eburt, I
In all fairness, eburt, I read that we are only about the fourth highest deaths pro rata from Covid.
But we are second in absolute numbers, so we’re showing how well Britain leads the world 😉
Agree. Try and get it now –
Agree. Try and get it now – the hospitals will not have a bed spare come October.
Well, I’m still furloughed
Well, I’m still furloughed (and enjoying the weather for solo bike rides and improving my hill climbing) so I’ll wait for the second wave with a nice cold beer: https://www.brewdog.com/uk/barnard-castle-eye-test