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Schleck Contador… chains: Hitler has his say
Wed, Jul 21, 2010 11:57
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philhubbard 9 seconds ago
@ErgoKnees the riders family asked for it to continue and as Rendel mentioned, neutralised stages are generally a nightmare (one to manage and two for the riders). Granted, blame has to be with the race organiser but road closures simply come down to a matter of cost. The TdF can afford this, smaller races can't. Instead of the UCI taking a fee they should be treating these races like a loss leader and supporting them to improve safety measures like using police rather than volunteers and using the proper barriers.
mdavidford 4 minutes ago
Even your correction of the correction isn't quite right. It's perfectly legal for an EAPC (not EPAC) to be able to go more than 15.5 mph - its just that the motor has to cut out above that speed. Also, it isn't necessarily illegal to use a bike that doesn't meet the EAPC requirements, provided you first get a vehicle approval and find someone willing to insure it (though, in practice, next to nobody's going to bother with all that when they can mostly just go out and ride them without and no-one will do anything about it).
Circles 12 minutes ago
edjz: It's not EPAC, it is an Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycle; EAPC. Also. you keep stating that non compliant bikes are only illegal on the road. This will confuse some, as they are illegal on all public land, which includes cycleways and other tracks.
Jack Sexty 18 minutes ago
@edjz We've added a clarification to that paragraph, thanks.
John Emms 36 minutes ago
Wow. Last year, I resigned as Chair of the Active Travel Forum for Yate, Sodbury and Surrounding Area not only because there was little to nothing being done to make cycling safe around Yate, but I was coming under personal attack from pro-car (anti-cycling) local councillors, and everything possible was being done to keep our group (drawn from local parish councillors and members of the public with specialist knowledge) out of providing any input. After nearly being killed by someone driving a car at about double the 30 mph speed limit (quite normal around here) I have given up, and we are moving to East Yorkshire. If we were still living in Bristol, had moved to Bath (Weston area), or I had confidence that the now no longer secret "Getting About In Yate" (directed by a couple of councillors who only drive cars) will make any real difference, I would stay.
mdavidford 46 minutes ago
If it's true*, as reported, that the driver in question asked and was told that the race had passed, that's not 'arrogant disdain for cyclists' - it's a mistake resulting from a failure of communication somewhere along the line. [* recognising that much about the events here are a fair amount of hearsay at the moment.]
Smiley775 58 minutes ago
I get your point, but Forestry England aren't allowing cyclists on all other parts of the site, as you say. They are allowing cyclists on bridleways and permissive horse routes - what they are legally obliged to do, ie the bare minimum. Forestry England sites near me also allow the bare minimum for cyclists. It is a shame that the kids can't just muck around in parts of their land - it's publicly owned (failed plan a few years back to privatise the Forestry Commission). When I was younger I enjoyed playing around on my bike all over their forests.
edjz 1 hour ago
Even this article, trying to correct what I am EPAC and what is not got it wrong. You said that you have EPAC's, and Illegally modified ones, that can go over 15.5mph. but not all "eBikes" that can go over 15.5mph are modified, and modified or not they are only illegal on road, not inherently. You can, and people do, buy a powerful, unrestricted ebike for use on private land. I know children who's parents have bought them for them, they compete in e-motocross, and the bike is completely legal. If you use it on the road, that's when you're breaking the law. So it doesn't have to be modified to be not road legal, and the bike itself isn't inherently "illegal" if its motor / speed limit are not within limits, use on the road is what is illegal.
Jaijai 1 hour ago
Even when he clarifys he gets it wrong . It's either an e bike or an electric motorbike . It's not difficult ,same as cars ,Motor car >EV ,they dont do it with cars so its willfully ignorance when it comes to e bikes
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