Hackney City Farm Bike Day

In reality, I dont think many cyclists actually cry out for all this cycling focussed infrastructure. Local governments may install it and cyclists will mostly use it but I see very few actual cyclists demanding it. Most would happily ride on the roads and be treated with respect by drivers. Most cycle paths are built to fulfil a quota of active travel budget. Cyclists and cycling groups are often ignored in the decision making process, so its not us its you pal that are the problem designing crappy infrastructure very few cyclists actually wanted to begin with.

@mitsky I wonder what the police think those little fingers in their lap were holding onto and doing? "Officer, I was just twiddling my thumbs".

@chrisonabike Yep, its just a convenient excuse. Much the same as GDPR and "we can't be sure that the person who was very clearly not even 1.5m from the edge of the road passed you within 1.5m".

Nice one, Malcolm(!) Now do motorists.

Zondacrypto is not a partner of Canyon-SRAM anymore. In fact, Road.cc wrote an article about it some time ago.

Nearly £54k in 23/24: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67e51acfba11d0060f606d68/costs-per-place-costs-per-prisoner-2023-2024-summary.pdf

Sorry - in 2023 (the answer was in 2024)

This parliamentary answer indicated that annual cost of imprisonment is a little over £51k (in 2024 - probably somewhat more than that now): https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-07-17/hl82 So for 10 years that would be ~£510k

@Rendel Harris May I ask where you got the half million pounds from? Just out of curiosity. Of course each case would be judged on it’s own merits and the culpability of the road user at fault so in Your example, I’d say that is vanishingly rare/unlikely and not relevant for a maximum sentence if the cyclist could show they are normally carefull. And if a minimum sentence is enough of a deterrent then that £ amount will be worth it given the figures mentioned here which would have increased with inflation: I'll put links in a separate reply, which may require Road CC to moderate/approve.

[Citation needed] For several reasons. If you amend that to "*existing keen cyclists* would mostly ride on the road..." that might be better but I'd still question it. For one - the statistics say it *is* "safe" - we could all ride for several lifetimes before our chances of being killed were "significant". What it isn't is "safe-feeling" (because few of us base our behaviour on analysis of stats). And that isn't changed much by policing. It's the fact that most humans aren't happy mixing it with (lots of) fast- moving motor vehicles (increasing with the relative speed difference / size / noise of those vehicles). What has been found in many places is the key blockers to remove / attractive factors to increase are reducing traffic volumes and speeds sufficiently wherever cyclists will mix with motor vehicles, and to keep cyclists moving (even if relatively slowly) in a "legible" direct route. To a first approximation both the safety AND attractiveness are simply "fewer interactions with motor vehicles". I don't disagree that the current lack of seriousness around road policing is really unhelpful though, and something that could be addressed in addition.