CeramicSpeed UFO Drip All Conditions

I've been using Squirt lube for quite a while and as far as I can tell, they're similar types of products. Just checked the price for Squirt and that's £12-15 for 125ml, so £20 for 100ml isn't completely ridiculous. I don't know how they compare though.

You know what, I've got to admit I've misled myself, I've been happily using TruTension all-weather at £7.50 a bottle, but glancing at the bottle just now I realise it's only 50ml,  so I withdraw my comment and retire in shame!

Rendel Harris wrote:

You know what, I've got to admit I've misled myself, I've been happily using TruTension all-weather at £7.50 a bottle, but glancing at the bottle just now I realise it's only 50ml,  so I withdraw my comment and retire in shame!

Looks similar to Squirt and other wax lubes, but includes tungsten. Can't say that I've heard of it before, but Road.cc has reviewed it: https://road.cc/content/review/tru-tension-bananaslip-tungsten-all-weather-lube-276861

Thanks, hadn't seen that review. Pretty much accords with my experience, yes it's not as resistant to torrential downpours as some though it holds up pretty well to the general drizzle that's the usual experience of a London autumn, definitely keeps the drivechain very silky. Big selling point for the absent-minded (me) is the quick curing, can wake up the morning of a big ride, realise I've forgotten to do the chain, quickly degrease and reapply and it's ready to go in the time it takes me to eat breakfast.

I loved Squirt when I had discovered it - it worked far better than any oil I used before. Since then, I have moved on to "Effetto Mariposa Flower Power" - based on the following testing:

https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/lubetesting/

It seems the UFO and Effette Mariposa perform fairly similarly - superior to Squirt at a similar price.

anke2 wrote:

I loved Squirt when I had discovered it - it worked far better than any oil I used before. Since then, I have moved on to "Effetto Mariposa Flower Power" - based on the following testing:

https://zerofrictioncycling.com.au/lubetesting/

It seems the UFO and Effette Mariposa perform fairly similarly - superior to Squirt at a similar price.

Thanks. I use their tubeless sealant (Caffélatex along with their Vitamina CL additive) which works really well so maybe I'll give the FlowerPower a shot when I finish up my bottle of Squirt.

Rendel Harris wrote:

So £20 a bottle and you get 100 miles an application if it's dry and only 40 when wet, split the difference and call it 70 miles average. The review doesn't say how many applications you get per bottle but I'd be surprised, from experience, if it's more than four. So £20 for under 300 miles, i.e. for the same price you could actually afford to replace an Ultegra 11-sp chain every 400 miles. Think I might pass...

25ml of lube per application suggests you're massively over-applying lube.. it should be more like 4-5ml!

that said, I don't understand why you would use drip wax without starting with an immersion-waxed chain, so that it's just used as a top-up between waxing. You need to go through the hassle of stripping the chain down to start with which is the most work, and if you're doing that you're way better off immersion waxing which will give you 400-500km, then I expect the drip wax will go a lot longer as a top up. You can even buy pre-waxed chains so you never have to worry about cleaning a filthy drivetrain again!

olic wrote:

25ml of lube per application suggests you're massively over-applying lube.. it should be more like 4-5ml!

See my comment above, I was mistaken, the one I'm using is a 50ml bottle rather than 100ml. However I think your figure is a massive underestimation, no way are you going to get twenty lubrications out of a 100ml bottle. If you look at the review above, Ceramic Speed claim you can get 180 miles out of one lubrication, the reviewer says a more cautious 100 miles dry and 40 miles wet. Let's call it my suggested average above of 70 miles, that would mean 1400 miles at your figures before you had to buy a new bottle! Trust me, if you could get that much life out of it they would charge a lot more.

Apologies Rendel, somewhat crucial info missing from my review...

I'm about 10-12 fairly liberal applications in and the bottle is still roughly 1/3 full, if that helps. 

So, let's say about 15 total for a sum of £1.30 per application.

Thanks, useful to know. I withdraw my allegations of it being expensive then!

I'm a convert to Silca's Synergetic, tiny bottle and so pricey, and I can't say that I quite get kiwimikes's longevity, I might get the best part of a year out of one bottle. In the "dry" I might get almost two weeks out of an application, "normal" a week and perhaps a couple of days, but in the proper filth with rain only a couple of days. But this is slop that finishline's cross country will not last a full day. But there's no grinding, and more shiny and cleanliness.

I will at some point do a proper review at some point. Only annoying thing is the amount of shaking involved. Thought a tube vortex mixer might do it, took the remains of my first bottle into work for mergency lubing, and gave one a go, in fact tried many different models, unfortunately not. I have the same issues with Rock-'n'-roll's cable magic.

Me too actually, based on KiwiMike's review and the ZFC results. As you say, very pricey (I paid £27.99 for 2oz ~60ml from Sigma, although it's dropped a bit since then). Agree ref longevity, and it seems to be the next best thing to waxing without the full process. Very quiet and I've noticed that the chain has virtually no wear after 1200km, normally I'd have expected to show something on the checker at this point. I've only had it on one bike to trial since getting it, but I think as and when the others have replacement chains, I'm going to Synergetic on them too. No kidding on the shaking either. One other criticism is that they no longer seem to be supplied with the needle tip applicator. 

ktache wrote:

I'm a convert to Silca's Synergetic, tiny bottle and so pricey, and I can't say that I quite get kiwimikes's longevity, I might get the best part of a year out of one bottle. In the "dry" I might get almost two weeks out of an application, "normal" a week and perhaps a couple of days, but in the proper filth with rain only a couple of days. But this is slop that finishline's cross country will not last a full day. But there's no grinding, and more shiny and cleanliness.

I will at some point do a proper review at some point. Only annoying thing is the amount of shaking involved. Thought a tube vortex mixer might do it, took the remains of my first bottle into work for mergency lubing, and gave one a go, in fact tried many different models, unfortunately not. I have the same issues with Rock-'n'-roll's cable magic.

Oh great! Now I have to buy another bike related tool

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007010509137.html

No, don't get one, I tried every one in the labs I am associating with and none were as good as shaking, even the old school ones.

ktache wrote:

No, don't get one, I tried every one in the labs I am associating with and none were as good as shaking, even the old school ones.

Okay, understood. I'd better go for the High Speed Homogenizer instead

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005954500064.html

I find Synergetic can last a few weeks between applications. It can withstand torrential rain and still be good the next day. it is pricey, but I've never used anything as durable whilst being easy to clean off. I used to use Green Oils wet lube in the past, that is also durable but turns into an awful black sticky gunk after a while and is terrible to clean off.