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Frothing Facebook group dedicated to 20mph speed limit bashing learns of time trial ban in 20 zones — and the reaction is as bizarre as you'd expect; Santander Cycles Hour Record; Soudal Quick-Step tease Man United for latest loss + more on the live blog

It's the Thursday live blog, your one-stop shop for all the news, reaction and more from the cycling world... Dan Alexander is on duty this week.....
09 November 2023, 08:52
Frothing Facebook groups dedicated to 20mph speed limit bashing learns of time trial ban in 20 zones — and the reaction is as bizarre as you'd expect

You'll no doubt of heard yesterday's news broken on this website that Cycling Time Trials, the governing body of the sport in England and Wales, has made the big decision to ban time trials on roads that have a 20mph speed limit.

> Cyclists fear safe time trial courses will be lost as governing body introduces ban on events in 20mph zones

Despite speed limits not applying to cyclists, the governing body's decision relates to safety and optics... "CTT would not approve of cyclists overtaking other vehicles which are subject to a 20mph limit and pedestrians would not expect riders to be travelling at higher speeds," a letter from National Legal Adviser David Guy said.

Time trial (John Clifton/SWpix.com)

On yesterday's live blog we rounded up some of the reaction from cyclists (plus there's plenty more in the original article), but the story has gone far and wide, even making it into the murky world of Facebook... the groups dedicated to people slating 20mph speed limits, to be more specific.

Such as this from the *checks notes* Action Against Unfair ULEZ CAZ, LTN & 20mph Nonsense group...

20mph TT reaction (Facebook)

 

There was also some noise from the *checks notes again* Action Against 20 mph Speed Limits group "for all folk who think that 20 mph speed limits are too slow"...

Just brace yourselves for these... (I've left them unedited for your enjoyment/despair)...

"There would be uproar if temp road speeds were introduced just to accommodate cycle races when the rest of us have to put up with this crap 24/7"

"Ban them all if its good enough for cars, then its good enough for bikes"

"Should not be racing on public roads anyway, they tried doing road closures around here, there was uproar, telling people to either stay at home or go out between x time to x time etc. Funny a lot of drawing pins and tacks suddenly appeared on the routes they did close, since then it's been very quiet..."

That particular one coming from the obligatory 'account with pet dog as profile pic spouting bile about cycling'. Some more?

"Ditch the time trials simple! Have a 20 mph safety cycle. I am sure Drakeford would like to hand out the prizes for safe cycling and staying at a snail's pace. No accidents, nobody hurt and therefore no time trial. Why have a time trail if it puts cyclists at risk of putting pressure on the NHS? The very thing 20 mph is supposed to stop! I say Time trails are a danger stop them now!"

"The Welsh Government will probably raise the speed limit to 30 mph just for them on the days they want to race."

"Even the cyclists don't want to visit Wales anymore!"

National time trial road bike Tamsin Miller - CTT

Of the more normal reaction and comments we saw yesterday there was a mix of organisers and participants concerned at the impact of the rule on safe time trial courses, something that might push events onto faster, busier roads, making the sport less accessible. 

However, road.cc reader Miller commented on our original story: "It's a bugger, and affects some courses round me, but I don't think CTT has any alternative. It's all too easy to imagine the right wing culture warriors gleefully tearing into time trialling on this point."

There are loads of other considerations and views, of course, which can be found in our original article and yesterday's live blog...

09 November 2023, 17:03
Tug-gate: Driver sacked after "urgent investigation"

Now updated with the latest...

Driver caught 'slapping the monkey' (Twitter: @n00dles71)

> Cyclist catches driver watching adult film and 'spanking the monkey' in heavy London traffic

'How was your day?'

'Oh, not too bad, just had to launch a masturbation investigation... nothing major'

What a weird day on the internet the 9th of November 2023 will forever be remembered for... 

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09 November 2023, 14:19
"I had no idea there was such a thing as a Santander Cycle Hour Record, but I am very pleased there is"
Cameron Jeffers Santander Cycle Hour Record (YouTube/Strava)

Chapeau Mr Jeffers, as you might have seen earlier, there's a new Santander Cycles Hour Record... another chapter of incomprehensible sporting achievement has been written.

Can it be challenged? Well, admittedly I'm not sure it will be on Filippo Ganna's radar for 2024, but someone out there will be up for it I'm sure...

For now though, you can take the plaudits...

Left_is_for_Losers: "Fair play on the Boris Bike record, that is a great effort — as he says, with limited gears it's the cadence that's the issue!"

Steve K: "I had no idea there was such a thing as a Santander Cycle Hour Record, but I am very pleased there is."

Me and you both...

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09 November 2023, 12:23
Tug-gate: "A van driver cranking one off at the wheel? Naturally, commenter blames cyclists"

Things we didn't expect to read today...

Driver caught 'slapping the monkey' (Twitter: @n00dles71)

> Cyclist catches driver watching adult film and 'spanking the monkey' in heavy London traffic

Quite hilarious is some of the reaction to the video, transport journalist Carlton Reid doing God's work and going into the Daily Mail comments section so we don't have to...

Another comment claims, in what must be a pisstaking exercise, "Thanks to Sadiq making the 20mph speed limits and putting so many bike lanes in, most traffic crawls anyway. Van drivers have to do something to pass the time."

'Oh not these bloody bike lanes again, stuck in traffic...ah well... guess there's only one thing for it...'

And another one closer to home...

09 November 2023, 12:08
Geraint Thomas to support 5,000 children to get cycling by 2028, with projects to deliver cycling programmes to disabled children, young carers as well as for those in deprived areas

Here's some nice news to brighten up your Thursday lunchtime...

Geraint Thomas Charitable Trust (Press release)

Geraint Thomas says he is supporting 5,000 children to pick up cycling over the next five years, as The Geraint Thomas Charitable Trust has provided grant aid to five projects in London and Wales in the past year.

The projects deliver cycling programmes to disabled children and young carers, as well as those who live in deprived areas, and speaking at the Charitable Trust's latest fundraising event this week, Thomas said he was "always so lucky" to have access to a bike while growing up, something he wants to help pass on to as many children and young people as possible.

"This is exactly why we set up the Trust in the first place. I was always so lucky that I had a bike and also that I had a track just around the corner from my house. But not everyone is that fortunate. That's why I'm really pleased that we're able to give a helping hand to these brilliant projects which get children and young people on bikes," he said.

"We have deliberately targeted projects for children and young people who wouldn't normally have the opportunity to enjoy cycling."

Geraint Thomas Charitable Trust (Press release)

Of the funding provided, the Community Outdoor Group (COG) received £3,250 to purchase a new fleet of bikes and equipment to deliver cycling sessions for children in east London. Gower Riders received £2,696 to deliver cycling sessions for young carers in Swansea, while Pantside School in Caerphilly was awarded £2,900 to buy 20 bikes and helmets.

Wheels for Wellbeing received £2,816 for two specialist adaptive trikes for disabled children in south London, while Willows High School will put £2,230 towards waterproof clothing to support pupils' cycling sessions through the winter.

Adrian Coles chairs The Geraint Thomas Cycling Trust and said he was "thrilled to be supporting these projects".

"We know that there are huge benefits for those who cycle but we also know there are still barriers. Not everyone can afford a bike or has the skills to repair one. Not everyone has somewhere to store a bike or know how to ride safely. And there are those who require adaptive bikes which tend to be more expensive. We are thrilled to be supporting these projects which tackle inequalities," he said.

09 November 2023, 11:37
Cyclist catches driver watching adult film and 'spanking the monkey' in heavy London traffic
09 November 2023, 10:00
Soudal Quick-Step tease Man United for latest loss

Not entirely sure why... the working hypothesis is the admin's a Manchester City fan...

09 November 2023, 09:51
Santander Cycles Hour Record broken

The Vélo d'Or is going to have to be scrapped and voted for again with YouTuber Cameron Jeffers on the ballot. Sorry Mr Vingegaard, your yellow jersey's looking a little bit weak now...

 

If you're looking at that 32km/h+ average enviously for any ride, let alone one on a 23kg hire bike, then join the club. Jeffers took marginal gains to the max for this feat of cycling achievement, risking life and limb to tape his feat to the pedals, because apparently Transport for London hasn't bothered to provide clipless compatibility... how lazy of them.

Targeting eight kilometres around Regent's Park every 15 minutes, Jeffers was fortunate not to get taken out by some questionable driving on lap one, before running into the main problem of the challenge...

"The issue now is not necessarily the lack of power, just the lack of gears," he told the camera. "I'm just constantly having to hold a high cadence... well over 100rpm."

Oh, and because he's a YouTuber you can enjoy the full vid, including the spinning suffering, here...

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Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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ajuk.uk@gmail.com | 8 months ago
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Because there's so much inconsistency in speed limits, there will be higher standard 20-limit roads exempt and lower standard 30-limits that are allowed.
It's people driving too fast properly set speed limits are there to protect pedestrians and cyclists from, it can't do that if there's over 90% non-compliance.
I've never heard anyone arguing for 20mph speed limits while complaining about the behaviour of drivers going speeds under 25mph.

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chrisonabike replied to ajuk.uk@gmail.com | 8 months ago
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ajuk.uk [at] gmail.com wrote:

Because there's so much inconsistency in speed limits, there will be higher standard 20-limit roads exempt and lower standard 30-limits that are allowed.
It's people driving too fast properly set speed limits are there to protect pedestrians and cyclists from, it can't do that if there's over 90% non-compliance.
I've never heard anyone arguing for 20mph speed limits while complaining about the behaviour of drivers going speeds under 25mph.

At the end of the day you've summarised it:

It's people driving too fast.

As usual I agree - clarity and consistency would be a big help. Especially as enforcement is unlikely to carry the day. But rght now speed enforcement is (deliberately) the exception not the rule. THAT is an issue.

As of course (on the "safety and nicer places for the non- motorised" side) are our junction designs and mixing incompatible modes. (Or rather - fixing it for motor vehicles to get everywhere, then saying "of course, you can still walk and cycle in many of those places...")

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Rendel Harris | 8 months ago
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Brilliant Santander Cycles record, chapeau! Just wondering though, considering the humourless cycle-hating brigade at Royal Parks once sent David Millar a warning letter for breaking the Strava record round Richmond Park, how long will it be before they realise Cameron's top speed of 26mph is well in excess of the Inner Circle limit and take action?

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Matthew Acton-Varian | 8 months ago
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I can't look at any of the anti-cycling BS coming from that andti 20mph group and over the tug-gate incident. My IQ's dropped hard enough just comprehending it.

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 8 months ago
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Racing events on open roads has been occurring for well over a century. In all that time dangerous incidents have been extremely rare up until recently where riders have been KSI on dual carriageway courses thanks to *checks notes* innatentive driving. To suddenly ban it outright is nonsensical at best.

I don't give a fuck what statistics say over roads being apparently safer. There are just a massive increase in near misses and non-incidents that could have put people in danger that actually havent. And that is where roads feel more dangerous.

(Wishful thinking to the extreme, but) if every driver suddenly had to take a current driving test in full with no preparation before being allowed back on the roads, nearly everyone would fail. For most, it's small things, like not keeping up to date on HC knowledge, or occasionally going 2 or 3mph above a speed limit. But for a large minority there would be many major faults.

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Patrick9-32 replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 8 months ago
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Matthew Acton-Varian wrote:

(Wishful thinking to the extreme, but) if every driver suddenly had to take a current driving test in full with no preparation before being allowed back on the roads, nearly everyone would fail. For most, it's small things, like not keeping up to date on HC knowledge, or occasionally going 2 or 3mph above a speed limit. But for a large minority there would be many major faults.

Strongly Agree. some of the things you see on the roads daily make you believe a lot of people have never had a lesson, never mind passed a test. 

The day of your driving test should be the worst you are at driving throughout your driving career. Anyone who thinks they couldn't pass a driving test today without any prep work should go and get some refresher lessons before they drive again. The driving test is the minimum standard, for an experienced driver it should be a complete walk in the park. 

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chrisonabike replied to Patrick9-32 | 8 months ago
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Patrick9-32 wrote:

The driving test is the minimum standard, for an experienced driver it should be a complete walk in the park. 

Surely you've reversed things - it's minimum speed limits and proving you can achieve maximum test standards - once?

Obviously the driving test is mostly artificial technical standards; after that you can get on with driving like everyone does in reality.  Which could be tired, hung over, juggling your coffee and phone, with passengers (your mates / kids / argumentative relatives / pets).

Because "I have to drive".  But nobody "has to cycle" - and anyway this TT stuff is just racing which is also surely dangerous...

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marmotte27 | 8 months ago
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Wonder where the record would be at if he hadn't talked that much...

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mattw | 8 months ago
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The Manchester Useless have lost again?

Aha - I see my calendar says it was a day with D in it yes.

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Left_is_for_Losers | 8 months ago
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Fair play on the Boris Bike record, that is a great effort - as he says, with limited gears it's the cadence that's the issue!

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Steve K | 8 months ago
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I had no idea there was such a thing as a Santander cycle hour record.  But I am very pleased there is.

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Clem Fandango | 8 months ago
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Got to love social meeja nonsense.  It's noticeable how the concerned drivist (or anti ULEZ or whatever FB warrior) is always so concerned about the pressure being put on the NHS whenever somebody gets on a bike.   Remember those passive aggressive signs that appeared in gardens & villages across little Britain during t'pandemic:  "Stay at Home! Protect the NHS! (yes you in the lycra clad brigade*,) let alone the local FB group nonsense?

"Why have a time trail if it puts cyclists at risk of putting pressure on the NHS?"  

Indeed.  I can only confidently assume that this one neither drives - given that traffic congestion will clearly hold up ambulances & KSI stats bear out that "pressure" is being put on the NHS as a result of you know....cars & driving - nor walks, drinks, smokes, uses ladders etc.

* There must be a band or at least an interprative dance troupe called The Lycra Clad Brigade?

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hutchdaddy replied to Clem Fandango | 8 months ago
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The whole FB group is full of hilarious rants, ridiculous claims, prejudiced views, incitements to commit crime, the usual crap.

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brooksby replied to hutchdaddy | 8 months ago
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hutchdaddy wrote:

The whole of FB group is full of hilarious rants, ridiculous claims, prejudiced views, incitements to commit crime, the usual crap.

Fixed it.

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hutchdaddy replied to brooksby | 8 months ago
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Thank you.

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